Hi,
I've read that we can install Froyo (without sense) on the HTC Hero. Can someone point me in the right direction?
My Hero is rooted and running custom roms. What's the difference between installing a custom ROM and Froyo? Is there one?
Thanks guys,
Eamon
Try looking at the Dev section. Here is a link to get you started; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755795
thanks.
another quick question, when doing a wipe what all should i wipe.
my nandroid options are:
Wipe data/factory reset
Wipe SD: ext partition
Wipe SD: dalvik-cache (but when i click this on the phone it says run deldalv via console!)
When installing this cyanogenmod and he says WIPE, what does he mean? I'm guessing factory reset, yes?
best,
eamon
I always do a nandroid backup first. Then any time I flash a ROM I wipe all of them (data, dalvik, and ext). This is a personal preference of mine and I have never had a problem with it. If there is an update to a ROM you already have installed you can generally get by without wiping, but I never leave anything to chance. Make sure you do a backup. If something goes wrong with flashing your new ROM you can always restore.
Most of the time when a dev says to wipe, he or she means to wipe data. However, if you are running apps2sd or switching ROMs and you have already been using apps2sd then you will need to wipe dalvik as well. I'm not sure if you have your sd card partioned for apps2sd or not. I'm not sure why you are getting the error wiping dalvik, but I'm sure someone will come along soon to help us figure that one out. I hope this helps.
eduede said:
Wipe SD: ext partition
Wipe SD: dalvik-cache (but when i click this on the phone it says run deldalv via console!)
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Are you using apps2sd? If not that's why you're getting the error. "WIPE SD Dalvik-cache" is for wiping the cache IF you have moved it to the SD card using apps2sd.
If you have not moved it to the SD card then you can wipe dalvik from another menu in the recovery.
eduede said:
Hi,
I've read that we can install Froyo (without sense) on the HTC Hero. Can someone point me in the right direction?
My Hero is rooted and running custom roms. What's the difference between installing a custom ROM and Froyo? Is there one?
Thanks guys,
Eamon
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Check it out here...
forum.cyanogenmod.com/forum/62-htc-hero-cdma-experimental-mod
You will lose the Sense UI...but will gain a whole new appreciation for your Hero!
Cyanogenmod is a custom ROM implementation of FROYO. Once you go CM, you won't want to go back
jwhistler said:
Check it out here...
forum.cyanogenmod.com/forum/62-htc-hero-cdma-experimental-mod
You will lose the Sense UI...but will gain a whole new appreciation for your Hero!
Cyanogenmod is a custom ROM implementation of FROYO. Once you go CM, you won't want to go back
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That's debatable. I went back pretty quickly.
LiquidSolstice said:
That's debatable. I went back pretty quickly.
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Yeah, its an ongoing debate. Some people love how pretty Sense is visually, and you can't really match it with AOSP without paying a little bit (LauncherPro Plus, Beautiful Widgets, etc.). On the other hand, AOSP is lightweight and very fast, and the plainer foundation means that there are many options in terms of theming. I personally am an AOSP guy because of the features, functionality, and customizability of it, but it really is dependent on tastes.
Still, its worth a try at least. Its why Nandroid exists.
tquetano said:
Yeah, its an ongoing debate. Some people love how pretty Sense is visually, and you can't really match it with AOSP without paying a little bit (LauncherPro Plus, Beautiful Widgets, etc.). On the other hand, AOSP is lightweight and very fast, and the plainer foundation means that there are many options in terms of theming. I personally am an AOSP guy because of the features, functionality, and customizability of it, but it really is dependent on tastes.
Still, its worth a try at least. Its why Nandroid exists.
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Right, I agree that it's totally subjective, but after trying out Zen's Aria port, I can safely say that I've finally found a Sense rom that is faster than AOSP Froyo with LPP. Trust me on that. So for me, it's like, why compromise, right? Sense can run all the AOSP widgets, and also runs all the Sense Apps, which I can't live without.
tquetano said:
Yeah, its an ongoing debate. Some people love how pretty Sense is visually, and you can't really match it with AOSP without paying a little bit (LauncherPro Plus, Beautiful Widgets, etc.). On the other hand, AOSP is lightweight and very fast, and the plainer foundation means that there are many options in terms of theming. I personally am an AOSP guy because of the features, functionality, and customizability of it, but it really is dependent on tastes.
Still, its worth a try at least. Its why Nandroid exists.
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+1 IMO CM6 is the best, but as tquentano says, nandriod is king! Try 'em all
so does anyone know if theres a 2.2 sense rom out ? ive been looking but cant seem to find one ..
No not yet
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
Cyanogenmod 6 is custom rom based on 2.2. That is how you can get 2.2
Sent from CDMA Hero running froyo. Do you have it Sprint? I think not!!!
Related
Here it is! Pancake! Based off Gumbo, it's one of the fastest Cupcake ROM's for the Sprint Hero! It includes some must-have applications, like wifi-tether and a file manager, and has apps2sd enabled. In order for APPS2SD to work, you must of formatted your SDcard to fat32 + ext2 + swap. To do this, simply boot into recovery, copy all the files you want to keep to your PC, because this WILL FORMAT YOUR SD CARD! and then press 'Part SD: fat32+ext2+swap', copy your files back onto the SD card, and reboot. This boot might take longer than usual, while it copies all your applications to your SD card. Enjoy the ROM!
Thanks to:
gbphil (for Gumbo)
prodigy2m (Rosie-espresso theme)
nelson8403 (Showed me the basics of rooting about 3 months ago, when I got my Hero)
If your name should be in the credits, tell me and I'll correct it!
This ROM is for the CDMA Hero users, so if you want something, let me know, and I'll try my best to put it in.
So that I can provide faster support with this ROM, I set up a IRC channel for this ROM.
IRC server: irc.bikcmp.com port 6667 (6670 for SSL)
Channel #hero-cdma
Or use the web link:
http://webchat.bikcmp.com:9090/
Channel #hero-cdma
Download links
Stock HTC rom look/feel with a optimized version of SenseUI:
Pancake0.1.senseui-signed.zip
Rosie-espresso themed SenseUI:
Pancake0.1-espresso-green-signed.zip
No senseUI
Pancake0.1-nosense-signed.zip
Like my work? Donate!
waiting for the non-sense version lol.thanks dude..
ps:what kernel is this running?or will i have to flash one?..not a problem to me.im just wondering.
Curious, what did you optimize in Sense?
johndoehizzle said:
waiting for the non-sense version lol.thanks dude..
ps:what kernel is this running?or will i have to flash one?..not a problem to me.im just wondering.
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It's running gumbo kernel, and don't worry, the non-sense version is coming very soon, as in 20 minutes, if that.
dope.thanks..will i still need SetCPU for this?...sorry for the dumbass questions lol.
johndoehizzle said:
dope.thanks..will i still need SetCPU for this?...sorry for the dumbass questions lol.
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I don't think so, it's REALLY fast, trust me. By the way, uploading the non-sense version .
obannvi said:
Curious, what did you optimize in Sense?
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It's zipaligned and I compressed some stuff.
bikcmp said:
I don't think so, it's REALLY fast, trust me. By the way, uploading the non-sense version .
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Added non-sense version
Added green espresso version
downloading.will update in a few.should i do a wipe or flash over current rom (fresh 1.1)?
johndoehizzle said:
downloading.will update in a few.should i do a wipe or flash over current rom (fresh 1.1)?
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Well, I would test it out without a wipe, but if it gives you errors, wipe. Let me know how it goes. As always, let me know if you want anything, I'll be very happy to change stuff or add things for you.
didnt do a wipe.so far so good.uninstalled setcpu as well.uninstalled the stock sprint app's too...not im looking for a transparent lock screen and transparent notification slide down menu thing,just like the ones in fresh..will keep updating.
EDIT:i tried like 3 times to delete the stock app's through fresh's kitchen,phone reboots but app's still installed.
nice. im gonna give this a try.
johndoehizzle said:
didnt do a wipe.so far so good.uninstalled setcpu as well.uninstalled the stock sprint app's too...not im looking for a transparent lock screen and transparent notification slide down menu thing,just like the ones in fresh..will keep updating.
EDIT:i tried like 3 times to delete the stock app's through fresh's kitchen,phone reboots but app's still installed.
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I hqve found that the fresh kitchen really only works for fresh app uninstall, it doesnt work on modaco either.
So, fully understanding I should know this, but what is the difference between having SenseUI and not?
johndoehizzle said:
didnt do a wipe.so far so good.uninstalled setcpu as well.uninstalled the stock sprint app's too...not im looking for a transparent lock screen and transparent notification slide down menu thing,just like the ones in fresh..will keep updating.
EDIT:i tried like 3 times to delete the stock app's through fresh's kitchen,phone reboots but app's still installed.
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If you can't delete stuff, tell me what you want removed. I'll be happy to make you a custom version .
showbo said:
So, fully understanding I should know this, but what is the difference between having SenseUI and not?
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Basically, if you want the pretty stock home look, you want SenseUI. If you want android's stock home screen, get the nosense package. You could pretty much try both and see how you like each one.
Could we drop all the sprint apps except sprint navigation? Believe it or not I use that on occasion because so far I haven't found a google maps app for 1.5 with TTS. Also if you wanted to integrate 'swype lite' as the keyboard, that'd be cool too, otherwise I'll just install that later.
I'll be flashing this for the first time later tonight, MoDaCo + Gumbo's kernel has been working for me, but I'm feeling the urge to switch it up again, and anything faster is good!
Fird said:
Could we drop all the sprint apps except sprint navigation? Believe it or not I use that on occasion because so far I haven't found a google maps app for 1.5 with TTS. Also if you wanted to integrate 'swype lite' as the keyboard, that'd be cool too, otherwise I'll just install that later.
I'll be flashing this for the first time later tonight, MoDaCo + Gumbo's kernel has been working for me, but I'm feeling the urge to switch it up again, and anything faster is good!
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I'll make you a custom version. So, you want swype lite and all sprint apps removed but navigation. Want senseui?
So, you said to uninstall SetCPU, or keep it?
Screen shots?
Hey all, there were requests for Wes' Kernel and the 10MB ramhack, so I thought I would try to entertain them. This will change out king's kernel in SenseHybrid 2.3 for Wes' 10MB RamHack kernel. This will also run 32MB of compcache on boot up, Swap partition is still required for A2SD. If you want to run a swap partition, I recommend EXT4 and to use Notepad++ (windows program for editing linux files) to change your /system/bin/user.conf
Now the fun part.
Instructions:
-Wipe everything! (This ONLY works from a fresh install!!!)
-Install King's 2.3 SenseHybrid (Please follow his directions.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563294
- Flash this update immediately after flashing King's rom (Do NOT reboot before you flash this patch!)
- Reboot and enjoy!
NOTE: PLEASE GIVE THIS SOME TIME TO BOOT AND TO SYNC. ALSO, DO NOT START SWIPING RIGHT AWAY AS THE PROGRAMS TAKE TIME TO LOAD. JUST LET IT SIT FOR A BIT AND BE PATIENT... Then it's pretty quick.
ChangeLog:
Updates user.conf (if you don't like it, change it )
Virtual mem settings adjusted
proc_cpu_en=0 # to save battery life
Updates Kernel to WG RamHack from latest Donut rom
Removes LinuxSwap in exchange for 32MB Compcache
Removes:
Meebo
HeroLED
AKNotepad
teeter
Adds:
Free Advanced Task Manager (Useful)
If you like it, then great! I've been experimenting with using different kernels on different people's roms. I'm new to it, but if anyone has any tips, they are greatly appreciated.
Red. (Testing out FireRat's 30MB ideas next... I just don't have a PHD in "Freakin' Awesome," so it's gonna take some time.)
PS. PLEASE DO NOT ASK ABOUT BT! IF YOU HAVE READ ANYTHING ON THIS SITE CONCERNING HERO ROMS ON A G1/DREAM THEN YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER AND WOULDN'T RISK BEING FLAMED.
Saved for any updates.
Reserving space.
The link to the SenseHybrid thread doesn't work.
Also, you should try to work on hero 2.1 (new - DroidEris Legend ect) instead of hero 1.5 (old).
Correct Link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563294&highlight=Sense
G1ForFun said:
The link to the SenseHybrid thread doesn't work.
Also, you should try to work on hero 2.1 (new - DroidEris Legend ect) instead of hero 1.5 (old).
Correct Link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563294&highlight=Sense
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Didn't vega make a WG kernel already though for eris/legend?
Thanks.
G1ForFun said:
The link to the SenseHybrid thread doesn't work.
Also, you should try to work on hero 2.1 (new - DroidEris Legend ect) instead of hero 1.5 (old).
Correct Link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563294&highlight=Sense
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I updated the link in the initial post. Thank you. Other than that, I think there are plenty of good Dev's that are working on the 2.1 field. I am really new to this and do not have anywhere near the experience that they do. This was a request from another post that I had earlier. I like the 1.5 hero because of the almost full functionality (minus BT.) 2.1 is a great platform, but until the drivers are released, it is frustrating. I was beside myself when they were reverse engineered for the Camera app to be enabled. People here work really hard on these roms. In any event, I hope people will make use of this.
Red.
redd12345 said:
I updated the link in the initial post. Thank you. Other than that, I think there are plenty of good Dev's that are working on the 2.1 field. I am really new to this and do not have anywhere near the experience that they do. This was a request from another post that I had earlier. I like the 1.5 hero because of the almost full functionality (minus BT.) 2.1 is a great platform, but until the drivers are released, it is frustrating. I was beside myself when they were reverse engineered for the Camera app to be enabled. People here work really hard on these roms. In any event, I hope people will make use of this.
Red.
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Well props to you on your work, I know people still use 1.5 sense I was just making a suggestion.
Lol.
G1ForFun said:
Well props to you on your work, I know people still use 1.5 sense I was just making a suggestion.
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I'll get there someday. Everyone might be on a different phone by then, but I'll be in the game for a while. Thanks again!
Red.
I just flash_image'd the boot.img on my installation... What are the differences in doing that over flashing the entire zip?
xjjjay said:
I just flash_image'd the boot.img on my installation... What are the differences in doing that over flashing the entire zip?
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Wifi, Adv. Task manager, swap, compcache, and their modified user.conf so not much
JAguirre1231 said:
Wifi, Adv. Task manager, swap, compcache, and their modified user.conf so not much
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crap didn't notice wifi was broken -_-
Too lazy to sift through all the other changes this patch makes in order to get wg kernel... 2.3 is fast enough
Now that im using this kernel, when ppl call me their name/picture doesnt show up... its as if i dont have their number, when i really do. it even asks me if i want to store their number after the call... so for whatever reason it isnt recognizing my contacts when they call. it does recognize them when i get a text.
Issue?
chabsie said:
Now that im using this kernel, when ppl call me their name/picture doesnt show up... its as if i dont have their number, when i really do. it even asks me if i want to store their number after the call... so for whatever reason it isnt recognizing my contacts when they call. it does recognize them when i get a text.
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I didn't have this issue when I ran trials, but I will try to reload. Are you using EXT4 partition? You may also want to try to re-sync your information in Settings/Data Syncronization. Also, I just want to make sure that you installed this patch from a fresh wipe and didn't flash it over the other patches that I made (I noticed you tried the CM ones as well.)
Let me know if either of these work or help.
Red.
yes im using ext4 and yes i flashed it over a fresh wipe. when i make a call, the contact is recognized as it should, its just incoming calls that dont work.
i just resynced contacts and that didnt make a difference for me.
side question: ive seen it mentioned in other threads that you should wipe davlik cache, battery stats, and rotate settings in addition to the factory reset wipe and repartitioning. how do you wipe those first 3?
chabsie said:
yes im using ext4 and yes i flashed it over a fresh wipe. when i make a call, the contact is recognized as it should, its just incoming calls that dont work.
i just resynced contacts and that didnt make a difference for me.
side question: ive seen it mentioned in other threads that you should wipe davlik cache, battery stats, and rotate settings in addition to the factory reset wipe and repartitioning. how do you wipe those first 3?
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If you download Amon_ra's recovery and flash it, when you are in recovery mode, there will be an option under wipe. Still looking into camera issue.
Red.
I have problem with cam after flashing kernel.
Am i the only one whit this?
feenty said:
I have problem with cam after flashing kernel.
Am i the only one whit this?
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No, you are not the only one with this issue. I flashed it two times after wipe. But the camera still broken.
First...appologies to those who get frustrated with the newb who shouldn't attempt this if they have to ask how....
I am fortunate to own a GTAB that came already loaded with Vegan 5.1.1 and so I have not had the opportunity to do any tinkering myself. I have read the sticky on CWM and the process seems simple enough. I have read through the threads on the various ROMS but have not read of anything that seems complete enough or enough of an upgrade to make me want to switch from Vegan..... until Calkulin.
Of course the ROM I want is the one that seems to stray from the simple use CWM method. Specifically as it relates to backup and recovery. Right now Vegan is very stable and does everything I want it to do. So, why change... because from what I have read, Calkulin's ROM does everything, is stable, and does it with overclocking built in. And I can't help myself.
If my Tab goes all Charlie Sheen with this upgarade, I need to be able to find my way back. I can use CWM to make a backup of my current setup however I am concerned that all the other steps for this ROM ( using Calkulin's format and nvflash) will obliterate my backup and my CWM install for that matter.
I can use a search function. I am not asking to be spoon fed. Vegantab 5.1.1 is arguably one of the most installed ROMS on the GTAB and I'm sure there are many people who will want to take this route to Calkulin. If someone has made this jump, I think that they would be helping out many here by posting a step by step or at the very least, a what to be careful of post.
crutzulee said:
Calkulin's ROM does everything, is stable, and does it with overclocking built in. And I can't help myself.
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It does not support overclocking, as none of the kernels do at this time (unless that has changed since last night). Honestly, unless you want to tinker for the sake of tinkering, I'd leave Vegan on there.
Um, Calkulin gTab 1.1 doesn't require anything special to flash it. It was about as easy as it gets. Use CWM recovery to run his format all.zip, his rom update.zip, and if you want a custom kernal update.zip. Reboot and you are done.
Make a backup and copy your cwm file to a PC as a backup. I would use the format all if switching from vegan to a tnt lite varient. Also I would invest in titanium backup. It will save all your apps and data that you can back up on PC and restore after a new rom is flashed.
That said, I say stick with vegan. I love to tinker but I always come back to vegan 5.1.1.
Good luck
OK, I totally suck....
My head got turned inside out. I confused Calkulin' s format all zip with the one in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974422
and started to think that this process was a lot more involved. I guess researching too much is not always a good thing.
@ramerco I suppose you have flashed from Vegan to Calkulin's. I guess his format all.zip doesn't take CWM off like the one from the other post? Is switching back and forth as easy as choosing your backup?
crutzulee said:
OK, I totally suck....
My head got turned inside out. I confused Calkulin' s format all zip with the one in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974422
and started to think that this process was a lot more involved. I guess researching too much is not always a good thing.
@ramerco I suppose you have flashed from Vegan to Calkulin's. I guess his format all.zip doesn't take CWM off like the one from the other post? Is switching back and forth as easy as choosing your backup?
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I've been switching from TnT-Lite/VeganB511/Vegan7 GB/Calkuin's multiple times just using CWM backup/restore with no issue.
Remember to do 3 wipes before restore or flashing firmwares:
- Wipe data/factory reset.
- Wipe cache.
- Wipe Dalvik cache
@rickyt63 Are you doing these three wipes instead of Calkulin's format all or in conjunction with it.
Also to those who have tried both Vegan 5.1.1, Vegan 7 and Calkulin can you give your brief comparisons of these three? Pros, cons, which do you prefer? Why?
I also have been doing a lot of switching between 5.1.1 tnt lite vegan ginger experimentals just using CWM like above - you just need to do a factory reset wipe cache and the dalvic cache. I think it helps to wipe dalvik cache again after the ROM is flashed. Calkulins Rom is by far the fastest and when you flash clemsyn's froyo v3 kernel on top of that you get a great result. Titanium backup allows you to easily restore all your apps and settings even after a factory reset
Clemsyn said that he has a new kernel tweaked just for calkulins rom which he may release soon.
Thanks for the clarification, rocky3. The guy I bought the GTAB from used CWM to erased all his user data before he gave it to me but I know that I either have Titanium backup on there or have the .apk in my download folder.
I'm off to learn more. Thanks again!
crutzulee said:
@rickyt63 Are you doing these three wipes instead of Calkulin's format all or in conjunction with it.
Also to those who have tried both Vegan 5.1.1, Vegan 7 and Calkulin can you give your brief comparisons of these three? Pros, cons, which do you prefer? Why?
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I did not use Calkulin's format when switching roms. Only 3 wipes.
Here are some thoughts about Roms: They're all fast and stable IMO.
1) TnT-Lite V4.2.5: Quadrant score ~ 2400.
- Pro: Fast and stable. Did not delete media from sdcard2.
- Con: boot up seems a little slow due to sdcard2 scanning, but after scanning it's fast.
2) Vegan V1B5.1.1: Quadrant score ~ 2600-2700.
- Pro: Fast and stable. A tad faster than TnT-Lite.
- Con: media delete from sdcard2. fixed: create a ".nomedia" file in sdcard2.
3) Calkulin V1.1: Quadrant score ~ 2600-2700.
- Pro: Fast and stable. A tad faster than TnT-Lite. Monster Madness run flawlessly.
- Con: media delete from sdcard2. fixed: create a ".nomedia" file in sdcard2.
4) Vegan7 Ginger Bread Experimental
- Pro: Fast, Nice Ginger Bread UI
- Con: Audio still clunky, some games don't work properly vs. TnT-Lite/Vegan V1B511
BTW, I use TnT-Lite or Vegan V1B511 as daily driver.
Hope this help.
Rich, thanks so much for your reply! When I look at your evaluation of vegan 5.1.1 and calkulin and I couple that with Butch's advice here and elsewhere, it makes my decision easy. For now, I will stay put with Vegan.
At some point, I will have to nvflash back to stock in order to take a viewsonic update ( I assume this will be the only way to get a honeycomb based rom, if that is even in the cards for the gtab). At this point, it doesn't seem that there is anything out there worth risking what I have now... a perfectly stable rom which does everything I need it to do with a full market.
I still get the itch to change up my tab even though I love where I'm at with VEGAn beta5.1.1, so I started changing themes, bootanimations and boot logos. There are some pretty cool themes made by gto777 that flash with cwm or metamorph. You can find those in the apps and themes thread. Awesome boot animations can also be found there along with instructions on how to load them. If you already know that nvflash is in your future you may want to get a little practice in with it early by changing your boot logo. Nothing made me happier than getting rid of the birds on boot and changing it out for a nvidia tegra2 logo. Its a fun task and there have been people posting their custom boot images for use on the sticky thread in the above mentioned section. Thinking I may re do mine this weekend, saw someone had put their name, number and email on the boot logo. Pretty cool feture as the boot logo survives through rom flashing. Seams pretty handy in cases of loss or theft.
Anyway hope this helps with the flashing itch. Have fun!
OK, so it seems that today's announcement puts honeycreams even further out of our reach.
I can't see myself making changes just for cosmetic purposes. I would only change for either a performance increase or greater compatability with newer software.
It seems that vegantab 5.1.1 will be it for me for a while until maybe the gingerbread version is fully baked.
OK...Let's get something out of the way before anyone start getting irate with me and saying things they shouldn't be about this thread does not belong here...
THIS IS NOT A ROM...does it have to do with Development? I believe so....
We have always been instructed by every ROM Devs that we have to WIPE Everything in order to get our ROMs stable and running as it should...well this post goes counter to what you've been told by almost any post on XDA-Dev
I am addicted to flashing ROMs to see which best suits my needs, however the pain of having to install my apps (I have more than 150...don't ask) usually kept me from trying as many as I would like to....started thinking about how DT APP2SD work...since it is a partition that is completely separated from where the ROM is flashed...WHY DO WE HAVE TO WIPE IT??? So, I started flashing different ROMs, from ICS, Gingerbread to even Froyo to test my theory. Low and behold...more than 95% of my apps held intact (albeit no DATA - you can use Titanium or MyBackup Root to restore the Apps Data) with no hiccups when running from one ROM to another. I have flashed from AOSP to SENSE to MIUI...same result, my apps remain intact as long as I wipe EVERYTHING EXCEPT the SD-EXT...DALVIK CACHE HAS TO WIPE...even though part of it is on the Extension!!!
The reason why is simple. Any DEVs that baked DT APP2SD into their ROMs essentially call for this partition at boot...and once the ROM call for this partition...all the apps that are located in there still remain and the ROM uses it as if it was part of the ROM.
Also, I have even tested it so extensively that I flashed a Sense, an AOSP and ICS independently - after making sure my ROM was stable, reboot to RECOVERY and plug my phone to my PC running Linux....automatically the SD EXT pops up and I dropped all my apps (again, more than 150) to it...and KABOOM!!! Upon reboot...all my apps started showing up.
Again, I have no intent to take space from the DEVs who are doing a GREAT job supporting our phones....
I am posting this in the hope of helping those who flash often and also the Devs themselves from having to reinstall all their apps everytime they flash a new ROM.
If the MODs feels like this does not belong here...please feel free to move it. I think that it could play an integral role in development to all the Devs out there, hence why I am posting it here.
PS: I am not here every day, I have two little ones and a beautiful wife that I try spend as much time with...so please be patient with me if you PM me for more details on how to do this.
If this helps you in any way, please hit the thanks button...
Again, thanks to all the great works the Devs are doing!!!!
I have done this before and it does work. The only thing that keeps me from doing this is the lack of the ability to do a batch data only restore with titanium. Am I missing something? How do u quickly restore the data to your apps?
do a batch, and at the top, select data only.
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do a batch, and at the top, select data only.
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Ooooohhhh......how did I not put 2 and 2 together. Thanks.
Would it not depend on the ROM your flashing?
i've been doing this for awhile, jus thought it was common knowledge. there have been some apps that FC, but i'm a FLASH chronic, and reinstall apps wud suck. ROOT UNINSTALLER is also a great app to do BU's.
I've done the same thing a couple times in the past (between CM and Sense) but always had nagging doubts that I was screwing something up somehow... Good to know that someone has taken the time to confirm that this is actually a reasonably safe process! I just had to do a nightmare manual one-by-one app restore on a ROM I flashed but I'm glad that now I can comfortably use this trick in the future.
Thanks man.
The reason for a full wipe is that most people don't have their sd card partitioned.I myself have partitioned mine and do exactly what you suggested and it does work,i figured this out after wiping the sd-exta few times,1 time i decided not to,i noticed my apps were still there after i installed another rom.Of course if you have a google account,google keeps your apps and contacts backed up.
Would this also apply for those that have partitioned sd and have a Sense 3.0~3.5 ROM installed? Question is because some devs, if not all, set the rom to save part of the rom on sd-ext partition.
I have been doing this all the time for sense and asop roms, works great. Off topic - wiping more than once is BS unless you have bad nand or using bad wiping program.
Happy to see that some of you find this information useful. I just didn't want to get screamed at for posting it here.
It's a little I can help with in contrast to the great work the devs are doing
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dragon_rckr said:
Would this also apply for those that have partitioned sd and have a Sense 3.0~3.5 ROM installed? Question is because some devs, if not all, set the rom to save part of the rom on sd-ext partition.
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It should have no impact because essentially your app folder is where everything is kept. If the Dev add some system info to the Ext it won't mess with your apps.
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I am looking to try different rims for my HOX. I was wanting to know if I could download the roms I want to try and install each one then make a nandroid back up. So when I wanna switch I don't have to install each rom then I could just use the backup.
I'm currently running CleanRom 4.5. I am no expert at this. I have only rooted one other phone besides this, it was the Inspire.
Some roms I was planning on looking at were:
Viper
CM10
Nocturnal
CleanRom 5.0
Sorry if the grammar is bad. Sending this from my phone.
Yes, you can do that. Keep in mind you should wipe data before flashing different ROMs. So you need to re-setup each time. But you can still do what you stated in the OP.
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I am looking to try different rims for my HOX. I was wanting to know if I could download the roms I want to try and install each one then make a nandroid back up. So when I wanna switch I don't have to install each rom then I could just use the backup.
I'm currently running CleanRom 4.5. I am no expert at this. I have only rooted one other phone besides this, it was the Inspire.
Some roms I was planning on looking at were:
Viper
CM10
Nocturnal
CleanRom 5.0
Sorry if the grammar is bad. Sending this from my phone.
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By all means go for it! I have a few tips for you, as one flasher to another
As redpoint said, each time you flash a new ROM you are starting from scratch. This only refers to your personal data and ROM settings, though. There are a few ways to guarantee that you won't be spending a long time configuring each ROM:
Cloud Storage is your friend! I personally use Dropbox to save anything important to my daily use since I can easily pull up documents stored there from anything connected to the internet. There are much more secure options to store files on the cloud, but you have to pay for the more secure options, and security is not of top importance to me (since I just store homework assignments and basic documents).
Use Google Backup! When you flash new android ROMs, there is a prompt that asks you if you would like to backup your phone to Google's servers. I usually hit yes to this prompt. After you have done this once, when you flash a new ROM and enter your Google account, any Play store apps you had installed will be redownloaded (including any personal data associated with the app, IF it's developer has enabled this feature). It's not a perfect way of restoring your apps, but it sure beats re-entering all of your data each time you want to try a new ROM.
Use services to store your contacts! I took a few days to enter ALL of my contacts into my Gmail account, and it was one of the best decisions I have ever made. Each time I restore my phone, I have all of my contacts available. People who complain about losing all of their contacts along with their phone need to learn about this point.
Remember that your SD card partition stays intact between ROMs! Just because you install a new OS doesn't mean you lose everything. Any music, movies, documents, or even app data that is stored on your SD card is unaffected by flashing something new. This is because your SD card is a completely separate partition of your phone's memory. The One XL may not have a real SD card slot, but you can still treat this partition as separate from the rest of your phone. Personal Tip: I store my backups and ROM zip files in a "Recovery" folder on my SD card partition. Having all of those files in one place simplifies flashing in TWRP.
Avoid using tools like Titanium Backup to restore apps! For a while I decided to use Titanium to restore apps. After a while I realized that all of the errors I was experiencing was the result of mismatched phone IDs, cache errors, and a bunch of other small glitches caused by Titanium backup. It is not the fault of TB and it is still a useful tool, but using Google backup to restore your apps is much cleaner and will result in fewer errors.
Save your text messages! Titanium Backup has the option of saving your text messages as a .xml file, but this is more complex than just using play store applications like SMS Backup & Restore. If you don't back up your SMS, you will look totally unpopular when you keep flashing your phone (and have no text messages at all)!
I hope this list helps you out in your flashing journey. Don't be afraid to try new things, and remember that if you can get into recovery mode, you will be fine (ESPECIALLY if you back up your data in the ways I described).
Thanks for tips
As far as saving everything as you posted. I don't have really that many documents I need and I am a big fan of dropbox haha. As far as my contacts any contacts I put in my phone automatically go to my google account so they always transfer over for me.
I usually delete most text messages at night and that's when I will flash these ROMS as I will not be texting anyone later in the night so, no worries there.
I really only have a few apps that I use, so even if they don't reinstall it doesn't take long to find em.
My main focus of now is just downloaded the roms I want and putting them all on my sd card. Whenever I have time to flash em all I will set them up kind of the way I want em with my apps, then set up the next ROM.
When that process is complete I'll just test each one for a few days/weeks till I find the perfect one for me haha.
I was planning on doing full wipe/reset between each one so I am glad yall confirmed that for me haha. Anything else I should keep an eye out for?
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Yes, you can do that. Keep in mind you should wipe data before flashing different ROMs. So you need to re-setup each time. But you can still do what you stated in the OP.
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I don't have to do reset between nandroid backups do I?
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I was planning on doing full wipe/reset between each one so I am glad yall confirmed that for me haha. Anything else I should keep an eye out for?
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Just two things - Most ROMs (especially AOSP) are constantly updating to newer versions, and if you are trying to make ONE snapshot of a ROM and flash back to it whenever you want, be sure that it is a stable version. CM10 and AOKP builds all have bugs, features tend to break each nightly/weekly build, and then get fixed later. Be sure you grab one of the stable builds or at least one that has all of the features you need (NOT necessarily the latest one), otherwise you will be relying on a (potentially) unstable ROM as your backup.
The other thing is, if you were potentially going to flash radio or kernel files, be sure to choose the correct one and flash it each time you install a new ROM or update. Each time you flash a ROM zip, the data for the kernel and radio are overwritten. Especially with radio files, you can break your phone or just cause general errors if you flash the wrong thing (example: flashing a radio+RIL zip on an AOSP ROM can cause serious errors, but the same file is actually preferred on Sense based ROMs). You don't have to worry about these files at all, but if you do end up flashing them, be careful!
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I don't have to do reset between nandroid backups do I?
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Going between nandroids? No, recovery is going to overwrite the user data with the user data from the nandroid, so I don't think you need to worry about it.
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Remember that your SD card partition stays intact between ROMs![/B] Just because you install a new OS doesn't mean you lose everything. Any music, movies, documents, or even app data that is stored on your SD card is unaffected by flashing something new. This is because your SD card is a completely separate partition of your phone's memory. The One XL may not have a real SD card slot, but you can still treat this partition as separate from the rest of your phone. Personal Tip: I store my backups and ROM zip files in a "Recovery" folder on my SD card partition. Having all of those files in one place simplifies flashing in TWRP.
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In theory, that is supposed to be true. But many people (including myself) have had instances of some or all of the SD contents erased or corrupted. The exact cause has still not been found, but possibly just a bug of the phone. I've had it happen several times now. If you have anything irreplaceable on the SD, I would suggest backing it up to your computer, Dropbox, or whatever, before flashing anything. This includes photos of videos that you took, and anything else not easily replaced. Backing up one known good nandroid is not a bad idea, either, just in case.
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Just two things - Most ROMs (especially AOSP) are constantly updating to newer versions, and if you are trying to make ONE snapshot of a ROM and flash back to it whenever you want, be sure that it is a stable version. CM10 and AOKP builds all have bugs, features tend to break each nightly/weekly build, and then get fixed later. Be sure you grab one of the stable builds or at least one that has all of the features you need (NOT necessarily the latest one), otherwise you will be relying on a (potentially) unstable ROM as your backup.
The other thing is, if you were potentially going to flash radio or kernel files, be sure to choose the correct one and flash it each time you install a new ROM or update. Each time you flash a ROM zip, the data for the kernel and radio are overwritten. Especially with radio files, you can break your phone or just cause general errors if you flash the wrong thing (example: flashing a radio+RIL zip on an AOSP ROM can cause serious errors, but the same file is actually preferred on Sense based ROMs). You don't have to worry about these files at all, but if you do end up flashing them, be careful!
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I don't plan on flashing any radios. As I did with the inspire, and it messed up my service bad and I didn't know how to fix it again. I didn't now too much about it then. Which I still don't but I know more now than I did then.
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Anything else I should keep an eye out for?
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Be sure you are using TWRP, and not Clockworkmod. CWM has known problems, as our device is not really supported (its just a port) and also USB mount is not working (which may be relevant if you run into problems such as the SD corruption I've mentioned).
I will be using TWRP. If I'm not mistaken I did a nandroid back up of stock rooted. I plan on copying my sd card to my computer external hd just for safety. I have a HTC One X Folder that I will put my roms in stuff in as well.
I will try to take screenshots of battery life for each day I use a certain rom. The battery probably won't go below 30% but screenshots would give a good idea to other people. And I will try to update my thoughts on each rom. Not promising I will get to but I will try.
I am going to download and check md5s today.
Idk if I will flash one tonight or not.
Also I may try to have a nandroid back up of the same rom if it has Sense and a non-Sense version. I have never tried a non Sense rom so I am really trying to figure out what I like best.
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Also I may try to have a nandroid back up of the same rom if it has Sense and a non-Sense version. I have never tried a non Sense rom so I am really trying to figure out what I like best.
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I hope you like blue If not, take a look at this thread for some CM10 themes.
Any ROM based on Sense will still have remnants of HTC's UI somewhere. When there are deSensed versions (such as CleanROM V), usually the dev is trying to get closer to the stock Android look. I personally either go all the way and flash an AOSP ROM, or stay with stock Sense, because anywhere inbetween usually lacks polish and continuity. I'm exceptionally picky though
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I hope you like blue If not, take a look at this thread for some CM10 themes.
Any ROM based on Sense will still have remnants of HTC's UI somewhere. When there are deSensed versions (such as CleanROM V), usually the dev is trying to get closer to the stock Android look. I personally either go all the way and flash an AOSP ROM, or stay with stock Sense, because anywhere inbetween usually lacks polish and continuity. I'm exceptionally picky though
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Blue is actually my favorite color lol. Could you point me to the CM10 rom?
Here are the roms I am downloading as of now:
KingCobra
Nocturnal Special Edition
Viper
Clean Rom 5.0
Any other ideas on maybe one or two more roms?
I bookmarked that link you posted. I prob won't do much with themes until I find the right ROM. Even then the most I usually do is wallpapers lol. But will look more into after finding a ROM.
What rom would you suggest on CM or AOKP? What build? I don't know much about those. Never really looked in the original development forum lol.
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What rom would you suggest on CM or AOKP? What build? I don't know much about those. Never really looked in the original development forum lol.
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I just flashed the latest build (cm-10-20121001-EXPERIMENTAL-evita.zip) a few hours ago and it has been just fine with me, very smooth with no crashes so far. You can download the nightly builds here, but like I said earlier not all of them are stable. CM10 is developed for multiple devices with different hardware. Our One XL is code named "evita", so before you flash ANYTHING be sure that it has "evita" in the file name. Be sure to look at the development thread, or at least the OP, if you want to get more information.
As for AOKP, it seems like build 4 (the latest) may be having some issues. I don't use that ROM so check out the dev thread if you need help.
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I just flashed the latest build (cm-10-20121001-EXPERIMENTAL-evita.zip) a few hours ago and it has been just fine with me, very smooth with no crashes so far. You can download the nightly builds here, but like I said earlier not all of them are stable. CM10 is developed for multiple devices with different hardware. Our One XL is code named "evita", so before you flash ANYTHING be sure that it has "evita" in the file name. Be sure to look at the development thread, or at least the OP, if you want to get more information.
As for AOKP, it seems like build 4 (the latest) may be having some issues. I don't use that ROM so check out the dev thread if you need help.
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What's the different in the Nightly and Experimental? I would like to try a CM since I never have before. Probably will be the last one I download
Also on the CM10 forum it says something about find Gapps? Is that something I search for and download and flash?
Update
Downloaded Roms with md5 checked and now on my sim card:
Clean Rom 5.0
CM10
King Cobra
Nocturnal Special Edition
Viper
Just need help on what I need to download for Gapps to install CM10
What Rom should I test first?
King Cobra
Viper
Nocturnal
I'm on nocturnal and loving it.
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