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My friend had her XDAIIs stolen from her backpack today on the lovely safe london underground, She only noticed it missing when she came out of the station to make a call to be picked up,
When she Got home she rang her service provider (O2) who asked her if she had the IMEI number so the handset can be blocked from the network She had this and gave it to the operator.
The operator told her the handset would be blocked.
The problem is that she had her unit unlocked , so the lucky theif will be able to use it on another network.
If the theif uses the handset on another network can it be traced if O2 have blocked the handset?
I don't understand how O2 can trace the handset if its been blocked.
What are the chances of tracing the handset if the theif uses a pay as you go sim card, as his details will not be logged against any number as it is with a contract number. Also if the theif stupidly fills out the owners information screen with his details, will O2 or any other network he is on be able to see this information and pass his name and address on to the police?
This is only hope. and hoping this parasite is caught soon before he can steal again.
I hope someone on this site can develop some software to transmit by text message or E-mail the owners information screen to the owner every time the sim card is changed.then if the unit is stolen the new owners details will be revealed.
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Hi,
How about trying to call all of the GSM carriers in your region and report both the device serial number and IMEI number stolen and advise all the networks to advise the retail stores to keep the phone if the thief walks in to get it activated DO THIS ASAP!! and of course file a police report.
Tell your friend I'm am very sorry to read about her loss on her phone, I bet she feels sick and angry all at once, I know I would if it happened to me. Good Luck.
Shane
I wouldn't imagine that other carriers would block the handheld I am afraid. Any attempt would most likely be caught by the UK's privacy laws, if the carriers actually voluntarily wanted to be so kind to you.
I know it sucks, but could you imagine the damage that unscrupulous persons could do if what you are asking for could actually be done?
If a UK opperator has bared it, within 3 weeks max it will be barred on all UK networks, at the moment its not world wide, so the phone will still work in any country apart from the UK
but the bad bit is that still gives the theif upto 3 weeks to sell it as a working phone, and the unlucky buyer thinks the phone is fine, even if they call there provider, it will not show as stolen yet.
John
In the UK, last year or the year before all the uk networks made an agreement (with a little push from the government!) of setting up a nationwide database of stolen handsets. If your phone is stolen and reported to the network in question then that network submits the imei to the said database and this should then block the phone from ALL UK networks, rendering it useless. It is possible for the network to trace phones, they sometimes do this for the authorities in the event of crime, but with literally 1000's and 1000's of phones being stolen every year, it just wouldn't be possible to trace all of them (or be commercially viable!).
Sorry to hear about the stolen phone, i'm a great believer in 'what goes around comes around' so hopefully the thieving scum will get whats coming to them!
Thanks All
She is feeling sick,but she just found out she took the insurance out when she purchased the XDAIIs,so she is feeling a bit better now,
The only thing is, she will be without her beloved device for a while .
Anyway the theif might find it difficult to sell as her unit had a very loose screen,a problem most of them have, she hopes her new unit will have a tighter screen.
Mabe O2 can source her an XDAIII, Mmm just a thought!!!
You might want to advise registering here. More chance of the aforementioned scum being caught.
http://www.immobilise.com/about/press_item_launch.html
JD
The phone will be blocked on ALL UK networks but will work fine abroad.
any advice on how to proceed with this one?
apologies for the length and also if its in the wrong forum... couldnt really work out where to put it
Sometime at the beginning of March i called and spoke to a guy in the Vodafone Cancellations team. I explained that i was looking to leave as they didn't have any data bundles.
He explained to me that I could change my contract to a new one which, for the same amount a month (£25) i could have 150 mins (instead of 125... but i would be losing the stop the clock, which i didn't much use anyway) and it would include a text message bundle.. which includes data. Now, I was aware that this USED to be the case (i even questioned him), but he assured me that this was the case as it was a new package. I explained what i use data for so he knew that it should be ok for me.
So i went along with it as it offered me a new phone for a reasonable cost.
I checked my bill for March and my Unbilled charges and it appears i have been charged for Data usage... to the sum of about £30.
To be honest i have little use for the contract if it doesn't include data... i use data for email (not vodafone) and general "emergency" surfing.
In my eyes i have been sold this contract under false pretenses and is tantamount to fraud. I am locked into a contract for 18 months which doesn't include the main selling point for me.
I've called them a couple of times now last week and all they have said is "ooh no the txt msg bundle doesnt include data"... which serves no purpose other than to wind me up. and tell me that the guy who sold it to me should ring me back.. (but he hasnt yet since last week)
:update: just called them again as they have yet to reply to an email i sent them laying out all the details. having explained it all about 3 times to various people i spoke to a woman who went off to check with manager (wouldnt let me speak to them though) and told me there is NOTHING they can do.. they just dont offer any data packages... she doesnt have access to recorded phone conversations and they dont record them all anyway! oooh but she said she would get the 30quid fee wavered from last month.
i asked just what use is that , i'm now stuck in a 18 month contract which i could have took out with a different company and had included data.. she sounded not particually bothered and offered no solution. i can cancel if i like and pay £350 cancellation charge. which is nice.
any ideas on how to proceed?
Well unless you signed a contract, they are trying to nail you to it by agreeing to a verbal contract, and acceptance of service.
You have used the services, and they have charged you for something you were told would be part of the bundle.
Now, on the face of it, that's still breach of contract, since you made a verbal agreement.
Unless they have evidence of this via a recorded call (which they should have to be honest) then tell them you are going to cancel the agreement due to their breach of contract unless they are willing to honour it.
If it means going to small claims court, then do it, I am fairly certain you would win either by cancellation of the remaining 17 months, or by them agreeing to give you the data.
If you are more interested in the data, then you can always write to their data protection governance officer, and request any and all information they hold on you, including recorded voice calls, it would be helpful if you could tell them the dates, and if this exists, they have to provide it to you by law.
Then you can use that as evidence to make them agree to the terms, or to cancel the contract.
I had a problem with T Mobile going back last year, and they would not cancel my contract, they only way I could get them to shift was to go to Trading Standards and get them involved - funny they seemed to be able to cancel the contract then.
I would suggest to sending the a letter (not email) and send it Registered Delivery (this always seems to suggest to them that this is the first stage in legal action).
interesting point about contacting the data person.
i've just called up Otella (is that spelt right?) the phone ombudsman and they told me to write an official letter explaining the problem and what i would like to get it resolved. then depending on the reply they would like to help me get it resolved. the fact i was going to leave and the cancellations team sold me the package to which i stayed with vodafone seems to slant to the positive for me..
i'd be too much of a wuss to be taken to court over it
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any advice on how to proceed with this one?
apologies for the length and also if its in the wrong forum... couldnt really work out where to put it
Sometime at the beginning of March i called and spoke to a guy in the Vodafone Cancellations team. I explained that i was looking to leave as they didn't have any data bundles.
He explained to me that I could change my contract to a new one which, for the same amount a month (£25) i could have 150 mins (instead of 125... but i would be losing the stop the clock, which i didn't much use anyway) and it would include a text message bundle.. which includes data. Now, I was aware that this USED to be the case (i even questioned him), but he assured me that this was the case as it was a new package. I explained what i use data for so he knew that it should be ok for me.
So i went along with it as it offered me a new phone for a reasonable cost.
I checked my bill for March and my Unbilled charges and it appears i have been charged for Data usage... to the sum of about £30.
To be honest i have little use for the contract if it doesn't include data... i use data for email (not vodafone) and general "emergency" surfing.
In my eyes i have been sold this contract under false pretenses and is tantamount to fraud. I am locked into a contract for 18 months which doesn't include the main selling point for me.
I've called them a couple of times now last week and all they have said is "ooh no the txt msg bundle doesnt include data"... which serves no purpose other than to wind me up. and tell me that the guy who sold it to me should ring me back.. (but he hasnt yet since last week)
:update: just called them again as they have yet to reply to an email i sent them laying out all the details. having explained it all about 3 times to various people i spoke to a woman who went off to check with manager (wouldnt let me speak to them though) and told me there is NOTHING they can do.. they just dont offer any data packages... she doesnt have access to recorded phone conversations and they dont record them all anyway! oooh but she said she would get the 30quid fee wavered from last month.
i asked just what use is that , i'm now stuck in a 18 month contract which i could have took out with a different company and had included data.. she sounded not particually bothered and offered no solution. i can cancel if i like and pay £350 cancellation charge. which is nice.
any ideas on how to proceed?
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i have exactly the same problem as you last month as well, vodafone told me my contract include data, but my bill ends up with £137!!!! I phone up a few time and they told me the data bundle only include 50mb, and they say i use 98mb so they charge me the extra, i wanted to cancel the contract as well, but they say i can't......unless i pay £350. Great, stuck with this useless contract now....should have gone to T-mobile.
Anyway, they also told me Vodafone is coming up with new data package on may, so hopefully the plan is good then i will change my price plan.
Well, I hate it when I need to cancel a contract. I always get those X months free contracts I can get from whatever companies that is able to offer that. As such, I usually cancel my contract every 12 months (yes, I mass SMS all my friends the new number, good way to filter out friends ). And I had enough of their silly efforts of trying to stop you from getting off their contract, and now, after few years of improvements, it seems that the good 'reason' to tell them is that you are leaving the country Pretend that you are from somewhere else, pretend that you are going else where to get a job. It is easy for them (I think they may get into trouble if their call/leave rate is too high) and easy for you.
As for your current contract, it is unlikely they do not have their phone conversation recorded. In that case, there is no proof that you are actually in a contract anyway. I think you need to find some organization that deals with consumer affairs.
I had some problems getting an XDA Exec repaired with O2 - they kept wanting to give me a basic Nokia as a loan phone while it was done (and that's simply no substitute for an exec).
I eventually paid for an insurance claim when they said I could get it swapped that way but when that one was faulty too, I played merry hell with them...and got absolutely nowhere. I talked to loads of different people and managers and just ended up going round in circles - either I made another claim on the insurance or accepted a basic nokia for the weeks my phone would be being repaired.
So, I found out who the CEOs of O2 UK and O2 worldwide were and emailed them. My phone was replaced free of charge the next day and they refunded my insurance claim excess.
Major kudos to O2 for sorting out the problem, bad that it took them so long.
The point though is not to let them push you around. You're paying them for a service. They *need* the business of people like you. Don't be....
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....and let them get away with it. All the laws of the land are on your side. There's nothing to be scared of
I understand there's a section of their contract that says that if they increase a price and your monthly costs rise by more than a certain amount (without your usage pattern changing) you can cancel.
Someone on DigitalSpy.co.uk was having a similar problem with Voda's data charges.
hmmm.. just checked their new data tarriff. and its complete crap. making out that its such a great deal. £1 a day for up to 15mb usage. thats £30 quid a month then just for data.. sod that. tmobile's web and walk is only 7quid and no upper limit (not that i would use more than a meg or two a day anyway)
grr
thefunkygibbon said:
hmmm.. just checked their new data tarriff. and its complete crap. making out that its such a great deal. £1 a day for up to 15mb usage. thats £30 quid a month then just for data.. sod that. tmobile's web and walk is only 7quid and no upper limit (not that i would use more than a meg or two a day anyway)
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hey, where do you see the new data plan? do you mind to post a link?
Hi,
I had problems with service providers in the past as well (TV companies, phone companies and ISP's).
They all work with the following objective: to get the maximum profit, serving the worst possible service/support. If you look at this fact from an economic point of view, you will find that this is really the most profitable way of doing it, though the end-user probably will not be very satisfied with it.
Anyway: the best thing to do are the following rules:
1) Write them a registred letter explaining the facts.
2) Explain them what contract you where talked into.
3) Explain them that you only accept exactly that service.
4) Explain them that you give them two weeks to sort things out.
5) Explain them that after those two weeks, you either get an acceptable answer (i.e. they cancel the contract or provide you with the service they promised), or you cancel the contract because they where not able to provide you with the promised service.
6) Explain that in this last case you will cancel all payments.
7) DO NOT PAY. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACT, UNLESS THEY PROVIDE YOU WITH a) a signed contract or b) a recorded call.
Don't be a wuss, because they are sharks. Treat them like a hunter!
Cheers,
vma
some great tips the only thing is if you dont pay as some peeps suggest you might get a default credit against you and if you have bad credit you might not be able to get credit with another operator in the worst posible case.
If it would get that far, legal advice should be mandatory.
Cheers,
vma
cheers guys.
the vodafone tariff details is at www.vodafone.co.uk/dataprices
Hey i thought i would share my experience with t mobile so far due to their upgrade blunder::
T-Mobile Customer Relations Mr ###########
[email protected] ###address###
[email protected]
Account Number: ##########
Mobile Number: 07#########
Due to recent as yet unresolved problems I have had from T-Mobile I feel I have no other choice but write this email. the staff I have spoken to have all being very nice on the phone and made promises that as yet have not being fulfilled and the majority of times nothing has being done.
I was informed by my local T-Mobile store on the 23rd of July that T-mobile had stock of the new ‘MDA Vario IV’ and this had being confirmed by other people (see this link ((see this link (by the way my user name on this site is spzero)) then the next day I rang up and asked if I could upgrade to the new Vario IV knowing there was some confusion I questioned the member of staff about this and was informed that they did have some in stock and would be sent one out, after posting of my joy on the same site above I read further that people were being lied to about this phone and sent the ‘MDA Compact IV’( see further proof here in this same thread) I rang back T-Mobile and was informed I had ordered a ‘MDA Compact IV’ despite my conversation verifying which phone I was after. I spoke to a CSA who was helpful and tried to resolve the problem but the phone had being dispatched and all I could do was refuse the delivery she did also say that “many phone companies do similar things she used to work at Orange and informed me they purposefully placed early, incorrect due dates on there systems and website to entice customers, knowing orders could not be fulfilled and by the time a complaint had being made stock would be in and the customer would have got the phone they wanted.” It seams the same thing is going on here at the end of the call she advised she would call me back before the 4th of august as my next statement would be issued if not sorted out then that I would be charged for a higher Tariff that I had agreed to, in order to be able to get the phone I wanted and also would be charged for the phone.
I waited and received no phone call on the 5th of August I received two text messages from T-Mobile one advising my phone had being returned and one advising my available credit for the rest of the month. I rang up to enquire about this immediately as they was much talk time available than expected and assumed I had being charged at the new higher price tariff, I was informed that this was a mistake and my bill would be adjusted when I received it in the post.
A few days later on the 8th of August my Bill turns up for £106.26. This included a £5.95 charge for delivery which I never agreed to and am quite sure was never told about. I rang T-mobile and got thru to a Stephen the line was disconnected instantly and when I called back got the same agent who listened to my problem and then said I will place you on hold while I look at the account but he didn’t give me chance to agree to this or ask if it was ok. While waiting for Stephen to come back I managed to eat my tea that had being prepared and after 10 minutes I was still on hold. I rang back and spoke to Ashley who’s team number was 799. I was told that a credit would be applied to my bill to make up for their error and that it had all being sorted and asked if they could help further I asked what my bill would be with the credit and was told £99.27 I couldn’t understand this as I had returned the phone and had a text message to confirm safe receipt and the tariff had supposedly being adjusted (My previous tariff was about £35.00 a month and I rarely used any texts or calls above my free allowance. In fact the only charges outside of my price plan was for £0.68 for call charges.) and as I had previously requested a cheaper tariff knew they was no valid reason for my bill to be above £30.00.
My call was transferred to another agent I was told by Ashley she would advise what my call was regarding and give the agent my account details, I was transferred to a CSA called Mark in the Ready 2 team who had no idea what the call was regarding and didn’t have my details so I had to confirm security questions again, after this Mark was able to help I was told to cancel my Direct Debit at my bank as he was not sure if it would take the £106.26 or the new adjusted amount he was processing, I was also told to wait 3 days and my bill would be corrected and could pay the new amount with a debit card over the phone and cancel my account as by this time I was that upset with the service I no longer wanted to deal with T-mobile again.
On the 12th I received a call from T-mobile but as was at work missed it I rang back and was told there was no information on my account as to who had called or what it was in relation to I was also told my current balance still hadn’t being adjusted but as it had not yet being 3 working days I decided to wait. The next day I received a further call and answered this and was asked if I was interested in T-Mobile’s fantastic Mobile Broadband and declined to accept the offer due to all the problems I have had and that I already had a similar service from 3.
When I got home today (The 14th of August) as I was unsure if my account had being sorted I rang T-Mobile to check (this shows on my phone the call was made at 5:15pm) I was advised by the automated service that my balance was still at the £99.27. I then spoke to spoke to mark on team 718 and asked to speak to a team leader, he refused to put me thru and wanted to know what I was calling about. I advised that due to the way my problem had being handled I didn’t want to speak to a CSA again but I wanted to speak to a manager and I knew my legal rights concerning this as I work in a call centre he still refused to transfer me and continued to ask what it was regarding I said if he checked the notes it should indicate what the problem was regarding, he looked at the notes and advised the last two calls showed I had called up and asked for my balance and the second time asked for my Direct Debit to be cancelled but no other notes so he was clueless, as the two previous calls on the system were lengthy complaints and took some time I was surprised at the lack of any further information. He checked back at other notes and advised me that a credit was going to be applied to my account at my next bill date, I advised that this would mean in order for me to pay my account this month and not miss a payment I was having to pay for their error as the only reason I took the new Phone and Tariff was because I was lied to at the outset about the availability of a phone, I don’t mind paying for my call time and text usage but I don’t see why I should pay for T-Mobiles error. He didn’t respond to this and advised they have their processes and no one can credit my account before my next bill date. A asked why I had already being credited a refund that was showing on my account as my bill had reduced and again no real answer was given just that it was a credit for delivery and this was different to the credit of a handset and tariff adjustment. As I used to work for o2 and currently work in a call centre I know how things should work and I know some one can sort this problem out and place a credit on my phone account now, but I was told by Mark that it would not happen as no one was able to do this in the end after going in circles I again asked to speak to a team leader, manager or whoever could help me and was informed I would be called back by a Team leader as none were available, in between one and two hours. Due to these problems I asked for an email address I could complain to and was advised of the one above, then I was informed that this department could credit my account and sort all my problems out but no telephone number was available and all communication had to be by email or post. I advised Mark that I was going out and needed the manager call back ASAP. When I returned home my phone showed just one missed call which was made at 8:12 so again I was given wrong information as this was actually over two and a half hours after my request.
Due to the way I have being treated as a paying customer and the fact that I have repeatedly being lied to over the phone by and that my account has not being updated I find no other alternative but to send this email which shows the underhanded tactics that T-Mobile is using and despite myself and others advising of the lies in regards to stock of the new phone fact the blunders, thru either lack of training or blatant dishonesty, continue (just read the following forum threads in full from xda-developers.com same links as above) It also seams the same pattern of lies happened with the release of the Vario III and Compact III.
I hope some one can sort my statement out as at the moment I am being charged for a mistake that T-Mobile has made due to lies or marketing strategy and this seams to not just be an operator error but a marketing scam in order to hold on to customers and entice new one’s and I think this should not be tolerated by paying customers and I expect my account to be sorted out so I can have the privilege of never having to deal with such a company in the future. Also due to the now many hours of my time in writing this email and speaking to staff I expect compensation or this matter will be taken further
PS this information has being posted on the internet where no doubt all those wanting to buy your new phone will be warned of what a terrible company you are and no doubt purchase the o2 xda diamond pro (which is the same phone just renamed
Just sent the email awaiting reply the amount of misinformation from this company is amazing lets see what happens
Wow that's some email! lol. I've been on the phone with t-mobile and the dude said to me late august or september, but most likely september.
Looks like I'll be getting it with t-mobile- they seem like the only people that have half descent data add ons. will probably be getting it on "Combi 40 + web'n'walk (18 months)" for £40.50 a month + £5 extra for "Mobile Broadband Plus (3GB fair use)"
The way I justify spending £45.50 a month on a phone is that after the 18 months it'll have cost me £819. so if you take away the £500 cost of the phone it works out at £17.72 a month for; 1000 minutes, unlimited txt and 3GB of HSDPA- or does anyone see a flaw in my plan? lol.
adamdon89 said:
Wow that's some email! lol. I've been on the phone with t-mobile and the dude said to me late august or september, but most likely september.
Looks like I'll be getting it with t-mobile- they seem like the only people that have half descent data add ons. will probably be getting it on "Combi 40 + web'n'walk (18 months)" for £40.50 a month + £5 extra for "Mobile Broadband Plus (3GB fair use)"
The way I justify spending £45.50 a month on a phone is that after the 18 months it'll have cost me £819. so if you take away the £500 cost of the phone it works out at £17.72 a month for; 1000 minutes, unlimited txt and 3GB of HSDPA- or does anyone see a flaw in my plan? lol.
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3gb limit and restricted to fair use thats the worse deal ever go with o2 they have much better deals and i bet most other networks do too.
Now most networks offer unlimited data, 18 months ago only t-mobile did as far as i know which is why i moved to them from my o2 staff tariff with 50% off, but all the other networks do and i think at a better price. o2 do it as a add on for £5.00 a month or they were doing a deal on any 18 month contract you could choose a free add on so either unlimited data, texts or o2 to landline and o2 to o2 calls.. much better than t-mobile. o2 are releaseing the Raphael as o2 xda diamond pro... just a matter of waiting for release like i would be doing with t-mobile. long live o2..
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3gb limit and restricted to fair use thats the worse deal ever go with o2 they have much better deals and i bet most other networks do too.
Now most networks offer unlimited data, 18 months ago only t-mobile did as far as i know which is why i moved to them from my o2 staff tariff with 50% off, but all the other networks do and i think at a better price. o2 do it as a add on for £5.00 a month or they were doing a deal on any 18 month contract you could choose a free add on so either unlimited data, texts or o2 to landline and o2 to o2 calls.. much better than t-mobile. o2 are releaseing the Raphael as o2 xda diamond pro... just a matter of waiting for release like i would be doing with t-mobile. long live o2..
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O2 maybe good with the unlimited data but their call minutes are poor. I have been looking at all of the companies and T-Mobile's minutes are good and it will mean that I will have to change to a 18 month contract. But the only other provider that may come close is 3. But are they going to offer the touch pro?
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3gb limit and restricted to fair use thats the worse deal ever go with o2 they have much better deals and i bet most other networks do too.
Now most networks offer unlimited data, 18 months ago only t-mobile did as far as i know which is why i moved to them from my o2 staff tariff with 50% off, but all the other networks do and i think at a better price. o2 do it as a add on for £5.00 a month or they were doing a deal on any 18 month contract you could choose a free add on so either unlimited data, texts or o2 to landline and o2 to o2 calls.. much better than t-mobile. o2 are releaseing the Raphael as o2 xda diamond pro... just a matter of waiting for release like i would be doing with t-mobile. long live o2..
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I don't know I did some digging around and it looks like all the networks now have really bad fair usage apart from t-mobile atm.
O2's "Unlimited Web Bolt On":
A fair usage policy applies and average monthly usage is expected to be below 200MB...
Vodafone's "Mobile Internet and email pack":
Subject to a fair use limit of 500mb per month...
Orange's "Orange World Monthly Access":
The Offer provides 250 MB data browsing...
It looks like everywhere you go it's gona be useless data add ons for £5/7.50 a month :/
"3" have the best value unlimited data packages.
Personally I'm on Vodafone who are woeful in the UK for data packages, but I struggle for a signal in my little corner of London with other networks...
update! So my automated response from T-Mobile advised i would be contacted in 3 working days or an email sent.. well they have half an hour to sort out my problem. i did get a call this morning from someone in cust services bu as i havea job was not able to discuss my account she asked when to call back and i said i had a lunch break at 1.30 so at 3.15 or something i got a call again unabe to discuss but she appologised for the delay and arranged to call me back when i had finnished work @ 4.00 so no call im now on a train wit intermitent signal so unlikely to get a call even if she tries and i did advise i would be on a train and th time to call.. well the girl dealing Danielle finnishes soon so once agin seems like they are full lies and empty promises..... this is disgraceful and i am shocked at the disgraceful service or lack of it so far........ will up date if they ever sort any thing out
Any news on your dilema from T-Mobile?
Do have to make a side note that my experiences with the Dutch T-Mobile have been outstanding.
They did not try to con my into taking the wrong phone and the girl was well aware that it would be out late august at earliest.
Difference was that i was more interested in getting her number and the end of contract stuff.
Eventually i got the HTC branded version from an online shop.
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Do have to make a side note that my experiences with the Dutch T-Mobile have been outstanding.
They did not try to con my into taking the wrong phone and the girl was well aware that it would be out late august at earliest.
Difference was that i was more interested in getting her number and the end of contract stuff.
Eventually i got the HTC branded version from an online shop.
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Joker! Did you get her number? I'll be trying to get that friends and family discount.
Noonski said:
Do have to make a side note that my experiences with the Dutch T-Mobile have been outstanding.
They did not try to con my into taking the wrong phone and the girl was well aware that it would be out late august at earliest.
Difference was that i was more interested in getting her number and the end of contract stuff.
Eventually i got the HTC branded version from an online shop.
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Is that what they mean by customer care then ?
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O2's "Unlimited Web Bolt On":
A fair usage policy applies and average monthly usage is expected to be below 200MB...
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Did you read that on the expansys site by any chance?... old information! I believe O2 have now changed their terms for this bolt on, and don't specify a limit anymore! Read page 2 of this thread and you'll see what I mean. It would certainly make sense for O2 to offer a good data plan so that they can shift their iphone 3G's!
I'm currently on a "solo" sim only contract with T-Mobile, but I'm in the process of transferring to O2 as they're currently doing a great "simplicity" pay monthly package, which at the moment has a special offer £5 off the monthly fee (offer expires end of August). It comes with the unlimited text bolt on, but there's an option before purchase to change it to the unlimited web bolt on, and if you do that you'll end up with 600 mins (any network), 1000 texts, and unlimited web for £20 a month I don't think any network can beat this offer.
Anyway regarding the fair usage policy, if O2 do claim my data usage is too excessive (which I doubt will happen), I'll just go straight back to T-Mobile again. The great thing about sim only deals is that they only have a 30 day contract, so they're easy to get out of. The downside of course is because they're sim only you won't ever get an upgrade deal from your network - you'll have to buy a sim-free handset or a pay as you go handset on your network and chuck away the sim card that it comes with.
P.S. Thanks to EViS for pointing out that great O2 offer to me
I understand what your saying, but without a subsidy you are looking at £500 for the phone, that is equivalent to nearly £30 per month over 18 months. meaining your total monthly is around £50 per month ! where as on T-mob you will probably get the phone + unlimited data +more mins and more texts for the same amount
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Any news on your dilema from T-Mobile?
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Hey yeah i got a call yesterday from Danielle while on the train so signal kept dropping couldnt have a real conversation. but
So far my balance has being wipped off and i am due a call back on tuesday to discuss my other problems in the email. i would imagine Danielle will read this as she is monitoring my account so what should i ask for in compensationto give her a heads up here are some ideas a pre-release vario VI??? a htc diamond pro (its the same phone BTW just incase you are reading this but its already released) lots of money??? never to have to speak to t-mobile again ?? Any better answers on a postcard??????
To be honest i dont know if i want to keep my contract even if they do offer me a great deal but i would have my price......................
Got a call today from Danielle again offered me an extra months line rental as credit and said if i stay with them she could offer a line rental discount for the future and a largely reduced handset, but when i said i wanted the vario 4 was told non in stock so i said i wanted to cancel my contract and was told i couldnt as i had just upgraded my phone..... i almost went mad with her she should know by now i didnt upgrade but that the company she works for had lied to me to agree to an upgrade and it was returned its quite funny really, she did say tho that my complaint had gone right to the directors and will be looked into so who knows maybe they will stop the madness,, by no means a great outcome but at least its something..
I'm just about managing to sit tight with T-Mobile UK despite thier incompetencies. How hard can it be to say "it's in testing, not sure when it'll be ready". Even that would be better than "dunno - not on my system". Just makes me think of David Walliams saying "Computer says no".
What does slightly concern me though is that my advertised upgrade price to the Compact IV is £100. What the hell does that mean the Vario IV is going to cost me?
I fear some hardcore haggling may be in order.
It's starting to get the point when I need a new phone badly. My Vario II is dying a slow and very apparent death. If the Vario IV doesn't come soon I might have to give up and jump to the Compact IV. Damn shame that would be - I love a keyboard on my phone. Had one since my O2 XDA IIs. What will I do without it?
Come on T-Mobile - sort yourselves out!
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I'm just about managing to sit tight with T-Mobile UK despite thier incompetencies. How hard can it be to say "it's in testing, not sure when it'll be ready". Even that would be better than "dunno - not on my system". Just makes me think of David Walliams saying "Computer says no".
What does slightly concern me though is that my advertised upgrade price to the Compact IV is £100. What the hell does that mean the Vario IV is going to cost me?
I fear some hardcore haggling may be in order.
It's starting to get the point when I need a new phone badly. My Vario II is dying a slow and very apparent death. If the Vario IV doesn't come soon I might have to give up and jump to the Compact IV. Damn shame that would be - I love a keyboard on my phone. Had one since my O2 XDA IIs. What will I do without it?
Come on T-Mobile - sort yourselves out!
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Hold out my friend only a couple more weeks T-Mobile are building up hype for the phone so that they can sell more. I think that it will come out in September within the first two weeks they like to release at least one new phone a month and this one will be a big seller until they release the gphone the following month.
T-Mobile really have no business sense. I am due an upgrade and would like the MDA Vario IV / HTC Touch Pro. They can't tell me when the Vario is out and they wont cut me a deal if I get the touch pro off a reseller even though expansys seem to think it's worth their time offering it on my current contract at £2.50 cheaper a month for £110! Rather than give me a similar deal t-mobile'd rather lose a customer it seems ( and make me wait for my new phone ), they're even asking for £100 just to upgrade to the diamond/compact! I don't see the logic :S
I'm tempted to get it off vodaphone business when it's out later this month, if anything just to not stay with t-mobile! (Also although vodaphones coverage sucks they have good contracts and in some places support 6.8mbps 3g).
I feel sorry for anyone else trying to get this phone without paying the £496rrp lol
Just got woken up by a tmobile rep at a store to tell me the reason why the vario 4 isnt out yet is because the device is currently over heating and HTC need to fix this issue before they sell them
I don't know weather this is true or not but it sounds a bit far fetched for a device that's meant to be technically identical to the touch pro.
I dunno maybe there changing hardware specs as well...
Oh and exspansys deals are not fair the contracts are 5-10 quid more expensive per month for the equivalent deals on o2s shop and website.
And untill exspansys changes the details on the site i have to assume the data package does have a 200 mb FUP
Has anyone else encountered this problem? It seems that an employee at Sprint shared my password/security information. Received a notice from Asurion (handset insurance provider for Sprint) that someone had ordered a replacement handset through my account......WTF??????? and what to do.......
I suggest you call the handset insurance provider and tell them you did no such thing and would like to know (for security/curiosity reasons) where & to whom the replacement handset is being delivered. Most likely they will need some identifying information from you to make sure you're really you but they should be able to cough that information up if you explain the problem.
Then I'd be on the phone with Sprint trying to figure out who called them to get a replacement handset (I'm assuming you have to go through Sprint to get to the handset insurance company right?). Someone should get fired over that.
In Canada, that's a serious Privacy issue ... not sure how that's dealt with in your state. If you have a better business bureau (ombudsman), get them involved.
Call Sprint ... speak to management directly, not a regular service representative, indicate that you wish to know who effected this request/transaction and that you will be seeking legal consulation.
Call Asurion ... convey the same sentiments.
I both cases, make absolutely certain to deal with management and don't settle for anything less.
I'd also have them compensate you if they wish to have you as a continued customer.
Good luck
Thanks for your thoughts on this.....
I have contacted both Sprint and Asurion regarding this breach of my privacy. I appreciate your thoughts and your replies Hilaireg and l33tphreak. Hopefully they (Sprint and Asurion) will be able to verify that this handset replacement request was not authorized by me..... Mostly I just wanted to let people out there know that this is occurring. The scariest part of it all is that a password is needed to order a handset replacement through Sprint or Asurion, and here's the kicker: The only ones that know my password information are ME and SPRINT. I think I will be changing my password regularly from this point forward. Hope this doesn't happen to others.....
The scary thing is that Sprint often doesn't pay attention to the password. I had one placed upon my account with them because of my mother using my name and social to order crazy expensive stuff and had me footing the bill, I had to call a number of times to sort out where they neglected to verify it and let her order. Hell, there were even a few times I called and they didn't do more than verify my name and number in the first place, not even the last four of my social and password. Finally, in the end, I cancelled my account completely, paid to disconnect all lines while they all had active contracts, then they still let her do it again! I called them one last time, they wouldn't remove the charges, so I just let it go and they disconnected it for non-payment, I have medical bills up the backside now after having my daughter, so I'm not worried about it on my credit.
Well, this is my 6th G2X from T-Mobile. I kept sending it back under warranty and receiving a refurbished phone that ended up giving me the same problems (I'm assuming if it SEEMS fine they just brand it refurbished and send it back out to save $$$). Of course, it's giving me all sorts of problems again but it's no longer under the t-mobile warranty (90 days for a refurbished phone is kind of ****ing stupid). It's less than a year old so it SHOULD be covered by LG.. The only problem is the IMEI of the phone says it's older than a year (because someone else had it before me) so they won't fix it unless I provide some PHYSICAL proof of purchase that has the date received and IMEI on it.
Here's the part that is driving me insane:
I call T-mobile and they say "Sure! Here's an order ID, just give that to LG and it will work. Don't worry". Even after questioning them multiple times they sounded very confident. I called LG and nope, nothing they can do with that so I call T-Mobile again and she tells me "just give them your IMEI, when they look it up it will have all that information". Again, she reassured me even after I asked over and over if she was sure so I called LG and they told me there's no such information and even though I argued and argued they wouldn't budge. So.. I call T-Mobile AGAIN and they tell me they will send out a receipt with all the information I need and they're so so sorry. I wait a week and nothing so I call back again and they don't even have a memo of what the CS said he would do and then told me there's no way they can help me. He then told me they would give me an early upgrade which was complete bull**** because the "upgrade" they offered was already available for me online. It's not a true upgrade, more like a 20% discount off a full price phone.
I'm at my wits end. I got this phone because of the hype and all that and now I have a phone that is technically under warranty but there's not a damn thing I can do about it. I've heard stories of people e-mailing the executives and getting stuff handled that way.. Would that be an option for me?
Keep badgering tmo about this, try and talk to a higher rank person each time.
Don't let them take advantage of you.
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Well, this is my 6th G2X from T-Mobile. I kept sending it back under warranty and receiving a refurbished phone that ended up giving me the same problems (I'm assuming if it SEEMS fine they just brand it refurbished and send it back out to save $$$). Of course, it's giving me all sorts of problems again but it's no longer under the t-mobile warranty (90 days for a refurbished phone is kind of ****ing stupid). It's less than a year old so it SHOULD be covered by LG.. The only problem is the IMEI of the phone says it's older than a year (because someone else had it before me) so they won't fix it unless I provide some PHYSICAL proof of purchase that has the date received and IMEI on it.
Here's the part that is driving me insane:
I call T-mobile and they say "Sure! Here's an order ID, just give that to LG and it will work. Don't worry". Even after questioning them multiple times they sounded very confident. I called LG and nope, nothing they can do with that so I call T-Mobile again and she tells me "just give them your IMEI, when they look it up it will have all that information". Again, she reassured me even after I asked over and over if she was sure so I called LG and they told me there's no such information and even though I argued and argued they wouldn't budge. So.. I call T-Mobile AGAIN and they tell me they will send out a receipt with all the information I need and they're so so sorry. I wait a week and nothing so I call back again and they don't even have a memo of what the CS said he would do and then told me there's no way they can help me. He then told me they would give me an early upgrade which was complete bull**** because the "upgrade" they offered was already available for me online. It's not a true upgrade, more like a 20% discount off a full price phone.
I'm at my wits end. I got this phone because of the hype and all that and now I have a phone that is technically under warranty but there's not a damn thing I can do about it. I've heard stories of people e-mailing the executives and getting stuff handled that way.. Would that be an option for me?
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ask for customer loyalty dept.
been with tmo 10 years, they do what i ask when i say ill cancel and they can stand in line with their hand out like all the other bill collectors cause they ain't getting **** else from me.
They always work something out with me.
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ask for customer loyalty dept.
been with tmo 10 years, they do what i ask when i say ill cancel and they can stand in line with their hand out like all the other bill collectors cause they ain't getting **** else from me.
They always work something out with me.
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The people I talked to were actually part of that department. I always say "retention" when the automated voice asks what I want and it sends me there. I guess I'll just keep calling them and maybe even ask to speak to a supervisor. Do you guys have any idea what I should ask for specifically? I've heard of some people getting entirely free phones because of crazy situations but I don't want to flat out ask for one
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The people I talked to were actually part of that department. I always say "retention" when the automated voice asks what I want and it sends me there. I guess I'll just keep calling them and maybe even ask to speak to a supervisor. Do you guys have any idea what I should ask for specifically? I've heard of some people getting entirely free phones because of crazy situations but I don't want to flat out ask for one
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I've dealt with T-Mobile retention more than I care to discuss, normally they'll find some way to reel me back in.
Has your relationship with T-Mobile lasted longer than 2 years? (Have you renewed a contract previously)
I ask because most (all?) cell providers in the US will not direct you to an actual Retention Rep until your account has aged beyond 1 contract term, instead you are re-directed to the escalation unit of the sales dept and they generally don't do anything useful.
Under the assumption that you have had your contract longer than 2 years, it sometimes helps to have inside information on how the retention process works in order to "sway" the rep into getting what you need. I've worked in a contact center for 2 major carriers and what's important is a rep's "Stats". For the retention dept the biggest ones are retention rate and 7 day repeat calls. Retention rate for T-Mobile is now different because of their new rate plan/phone structure and is likely irrelevant. However 7 day repeat calls are generally the basis for any rep to be judged on.
Speak to the rep in the most pleasant manner you can, and put the responsibility on them to help you find a resolution to your problem. Literally ask for their help, and ask realistic solutions to your issue. These are normally BS script replies, but it's all a game anyway. Next tell them what you want, and be firm (but still nice) about it. Let them know you have every intention of calling and speaking with as many people as required in order to resolve this concern, as you believe T-Mobile as your "service" provider should be responsible for your satisfaction. Be clear that you are not asking for the latest and greatest super phone, but it does need to function in the manner in which you were informed it would. This is a frustrating issue and you've wasted enough time trying to get some sort of result, and will continue searching for a resolution over the next couple of days if required. ** Retention Reps get a bonus based on the fact that their customer's wont be calling back and random surveys that are sent out **
While I wouldn't recommend leveraging the surveys as a negotiation point or even the fact that you know about their metrics, simply let them know your intention. Mention the fact you've already called several times already, and are becoming frustrated.
Asking for a manager in this situation often leads no where, management does not have stats (their bonus is based on their reps) and does not have their calls recorded or monitored by quality. It's much more difficult for a rep to say "no" then it will be for their manager.
If none of that works, you might just be SOL. I really hate to say it, but they aren't obligated to do anything about it (which is more BS in your case). Just do what you can, be nice, and hope for the best. I know when I was on the phones, if someone asked be for something with an attitude they didn't get anything in return for it.
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I've dealt with T-Mobile retention more than I care to discuss, normally they'll find some way to reel me back in.
Has your relationship with T-Mobile lasted longer than 2 years? (Have you renewed a contract previously)
I ask because most (all?) cell providers in the US will not direct you to an actual Retention Rep until your account has aged beyond 1 contract term, instead you are re-directed to the escalation unit of the sales dept and they generally don't do anything useful.
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I've been a customer since 07'. It was originally a flexpay account and then about 1 3/4 years ago I upgraded to the regular contract.
I'm not sure how far I should try and push them because I've heard stories from a friend who had problems and they sent her a new smartphone (When the Galaxy SII was big). I just got off the phone with the retention guy and he gave me this offer: upgrade to the new "value plan" that's not a contract and he would waive the $50 fee (I am eligible on 4/5, and it would be free then) however I would have to pay ~$250 for a Samsung Galaxy SII. Does that sound fair? Or should I hold out for a better offer, because when I told him I would just call back again later to resolve this and I appreciated his help he said "Well, hold on, how about I waive the fee and try and get you with a new phone today?"?
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I've been a customer since 07'. It was originally a flexpay account and then about 1 3/4 years ago I upgraded to the regular contract.
I'm not sure how far I should try and push them because I've heard stories from a friend who had problems and they sent her a new smartphone (When the Galaxy SII was big). I just got off the phone with the retention guy and he gave me this offer: upgrade to the new "value plan" that's not a contract and he would waive the $50 fee (I am eligible on 4/5, and it would be free then) however I would have to pay ~$250 for a Samsung Galaxy SII. Does that sound fair? Or should I hold out for a better offer, because when I told him I would just call back again later to resolve this and I appreciated his help he said "Well, hold on, how about I waive the fee and try and get you with a new phone today?"?
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Keep track of names, dates, times called, use that information to ding previous agent, than next agent knows you'll do same to them
It may take a couple cycles of this but you'll find someone that after enough callbacks, will offer you a good deal.
Everyone's experience is different, also, when you get Akmhad the Indian on the line and he says his name is Dave, politely state that you cannot understand their accent and requested a native english speaker or to be transferred to another agent cause you can't understand, and hopefully that will dump you back in queue and get you into an American call center, this is how I've done it, and I find the girls with a.southern usa accent are the easy ones to work on to get what you want.
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justjackyl said:
I find the girls with a.southern usa accent are the easy ones to work on to get what you want.
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This is true on so many levels
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This is true on so many levels
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Ohhh man. lmao
I'm gonna regret saying that in such a "general" way. lmfao
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