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Thank you for all of your hard work on the D2. With the X, the competition is stiff, and it seems/feels like there are more of us that "ended up" with a D2 out of a warranty replacement than actually made the decision to buy one.
With that said, I am formally starting a bandwagon for an actual "stock" Android OS ROM. None of this color changing, applications because i like them, better home screen, etc., etc., stuff. I want to see an "actual" Android vanilla ROM for the D2.
I can't be the minority in this request.
I appreciate all of the work that you guys do, I really do. If I had the time to invest in this, I'd build the damn thing myself, but I dont, so I have to rely on you guys.
Thanks.
I'm on the bandwagon.
I believe doing this would require cracking m-shield/efuse in order to get a custom kernel in place, which to my knowledge hasn't been done, nor am I even sure if anyone is actively working on it.
psionicalpha said:
I believe doing this would require cracking m-shield/efuse in order to get a custom kernel in place, which to my knowledge hasn't been done, nor am I even sure if anyone is actively working on it.
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i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
640k said:
i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
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If you root your device you can clean out the stock rom yourself. Follow the remove bloatware guide. Once you clean it out you can install launcherpro which IMO is the best home replacement out there. I believe it will be some time before there is a vanilla rom for the d2. We will always need the dialer and a few other apps that are tied into other blur apps.
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If you root your device you can clean out the stock rom yourself. Follow the remove bloatware guide. Once you clean it out you can install launcherpro which IMO is the best home replacement out there. I believe it will be some time before there is a vanilla rom for the d2. We will always need the dialer and a few other apps that are tied into other blur apps.
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removing "bloat" doesn't cut it for me. i'm already running launcherpro without root and it gets me by. the ROM devs are working hard to bring things back to normal and they're doing a good job. i just don't want to have to pick between a broken phone icon and a black notification bar.
i'm not asking for miracles. i recognize that most of blur is limiting this activity. that's why i'm asking for just a clean ROM. as apks become available and more of blur can be replaced, the ROM will get better.
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i'm not asking for a kernel. i'm asking the ROM developers to go stock with their approach as opposed to customizing. That's why i used quotes on "OS". I want a clean ROM that reflects as much as the actual Android OS as possible.
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
i dealt with this alot with WinMo and i've avoided putting ANY ROM on my D1. blur is so terrible, all i want is my D1 one back.. but in my D2's body.
I think these ROM developers simply have no choice but to do the tweaks they've done because Moto services can't just be taken out, they have to be replaced instead of the original so the phone would still work.
We just have to wait, time solves everything, even Moto
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It is harder than you think. Moto modified many services that build with dependencies on the kernel. If we had access to Motos kernel source, then we could just build the vanilla rom directly with google source and be done. Since this is not currently an option, you need to have services that happen to be compatible with the kernal and Motos current structure which is also difficult. Its easy for simple apps that can be switched out like mail and such. But not everything is that easy to swap out. Pull and replace some services on your phone and your phone won't start, because an alternative will not work because the blur service is expressly called, or expected to function in a very "Moto way".
I don't think people are avoiding the stock approach because they don't want stock, I think it hasn't happened (yet) because Moto has made it difficult. Right now its like a Jenga tower. We keep pulling blocks to see which one won't cause the tower to fall. Pull the wrong one...oops we won't pull that one next time. If we could rebuild it from scratch, it would be much easier, because you could build it in the image you wanted opposed to doing surgery to mimic what you want.
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this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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this i get, and recognize. but if you read through current ROMs (all two of them), there ARE tweaks that i just don't want/agree with.
i dealt with this alot with WinMo and i've avoided putting ANY ROM on my D1. blur is so terrible, all i want is my D1 one back.. but in my D2's body.
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I am like you. On my D1 I only used OEM ROMs that I modifed myself. I did the same to my D2 and it runs just like my D1. Their are only two differences. Backup assistant services is still running in the backgroud and I still have the messaging app. I removed all blur widgets and all the bloatware I don't need. If I can get rid of the backup assistant I would be very close to plain ROM. Once you remove everything you can safely you are not too far away from a vanilla ROM.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have and likely never will.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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Well said. This is not my first android phone either. I have also used Cyanogen and others. Root is more than enough for me.
Back in the day, the custom Roms were pushing us into new territories, giving us features we didn't already have; that was why I wanted them. Now I have everything I need with stock and root. There are so many replacement launchers, lockscreens, etc. Going vanilla is just icing on the the cake; if it ever happens at all.
All of blur's UI flaws and app quirks hardly bug me much at all; I can happily live with them if I have to. Overall, the Droid 2 is a great phone as it is ( with root of course ).
I think i might get my head bitten off for this but id be happy with a stock deoxed rom with the stupid bloat apps removed.
I've come to like the blur widgets and features, well except for the contacts sync issue with facebook.
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I think i might get my head bitten off for this but id be happy with a stock deoxed rom with the stupid bloat apps removed.
I've come to like the blur widgets and features, well except for the contacts sync issue with facebook.
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If you goto droidforums.net and in the Xeudoxus ROM section you will see the xultimate thread which is what you need to deodex a rom yourself. If you have the android sdk installed already it is not much work to do. Just follow the instructions and read through the thread for problems that may pop up.
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Apparently you don't get it. As stated, stock Android will require the kernel source, which we don't have.
As a former Ion and Nexus One owner who flashed probably a hundred ROMs, I can honestly say Froyo and root is enough to make me happy. Many of the tweaks custom ROMs offered are now built in (they came from AOSP to begin with) and the hardware has advanced to the point that swapper and overclocking aren't necessary. Frankly I'm not sure what more you could want that isn't possible without root and launcher replacements.
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apparently you don't get it.
you're not reading what i'm asking. there are ROM devs out now, doing the work. they can debloat and use as many stock apps as possible (or as available). i'm not asking for miracles. i'm asking devs not to customize what they're doing.
i'm asking for standard looks, not black themes. i'm asking for stock apps, where possible. i'm asking for it to work.
don't come in here and thread crap because you don't understand what i'm saying/asking.
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If you goto droidforums.net and in the Xeudoxus ROM section you will see the xultimate thread which is what you need to deodex a rom yourself. If you have the android sdk installed already it is not much work to do. Just follow the instructions and read through the thread for problems that may pop up.
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I know, i did it before i ran 928droid's theme and epic's rom to change the text to white in the notification bar. Lost it when i restored my nandroid of stock but i could do it again. Just saying if i flash a rom i want it deoxed
I am working on this. Please just wait.
Newbie here. I have rooted my D2, but I haven't yet installed a new ROM. Is there any way that I can use a D1 ROM in my D2?
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640k said:
apparently you don't get it.
you're not reading what i'm asking. there are ROM devs out now, doing the work. they can debloat and use as many stock apps as possible (or as available). i'm not asking for miracles. i'm asking devs not to customize what they're doing.
i'm asking for standard looks, not black themes. i'm asking for stock apps, where possible. i'm asking for it to work.
don't come in here and thread crap because you don't understand what i'm saying/asking.
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Maybe I (and others) misinterpreted, but you said stock and vanilla multiple times.
Sorry, but I just don't take well to people starting threads like this. Either do the work yourself, contact a developer directly to inquire about their intentions, or sit tight and wait. It's this kind of "gimme" attitude in forums that scares away talented people.
What the hell? Do it yourself. Are you really acting like this because you don't like black notification bars? If it upsets you so much, learn how to change it. Requests are fine. Acting indignant because you don't know what "I want a vanilla ROM" means is rude.
rrockstar.kidd 2.2 ROM
ROM is rooted and includes most Samsung apps, Launcher Pro (modified) -not the latest version-, spare parts, reboot/recovery power options with the addition of toggle mobile data, themed phone/settings/mms/contacts, widgets are organized better, custom boot animation.
System has also been de-odex'd, apk's have been optimized & aligned and some apps are uninstallable including Touch Wiz.
Important Notes - Due to how this ROM is setup, Disable Lagfix, And clear dalvik and catch partition.
FLASH ONLY WITH CWM(CUSTOM RECOVERY)
You must be rooted to flash this ROM, so go here to learn how to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997359
v1.0 EC10
rrockstar Themed ROM
stock EC10 voodoo kernel
no BLN
DOWNLOAD V1.0: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25142612/rrockstar.kidd.zip
V1.1
rrockstar Themed ROM
Custom EC10 Voodoo Kernel
BLN mod
used JT undervolt from facsinate forums
DOWNLOAD V1.1: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25142612/rrockstar.kidd_tw_kernel_rom.zip
awesome.
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Sorry about the whole test thing and nothing was posted I was editing the post because earlier it wouldnt let me post in the dev section
lawl its cool. I would check this out if I wasnt on miui, good work.
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nice job...good to see more people doing the dev thing...again great job
Is this a sfc based rom? If not why did you remove silent and how did you get the aosp lock? Nice work tho.
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Just when you think you have it idiot proof, they come out with a better idiot.
Flash only with CM7?
CM7? As in cyanogenmod v7? I wasn't aware there was a stable CM7 release for the mesmerize..
Looks nice, I finally settled on Super Clean with the Honeycomb theme, it's all setup and working like a charm... Awesome to see some more devs active on here though.
I apologize
no there isn't just got my recoverys mixed up
its the voodoo lagfix recovery I was meaning
This actually is a pretty good ROM to anyone who would like to give it a try it wont effect your data/apps if you followed the above steps
Ill download this and take it for a test drive tomorrow and give you some feedback. I've got a whole day with no work and no wife, so yeah... bring on the roms lol
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Thanks rrockstar downloading now!
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This is a system update because I had to replace pretty much everything to port over the mods I was bringing forth with the ROM
The only thing this update does not touch is your app/data folder but you need to be already running some type of custom recovery to flash these updates to your phone.
And the only difference between the two versions is the kernels. So either 2.9.2 or 2.9.1 will work if I'm correct on the numbers but I flashed this to an eclair with custom recovery and it worked with no issues...
Edit* this will work from any build this is a full EC10 FROYO build the only thing needed to flash this is cwm recovery
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CM7? As in cyanogenmod v7? I wasn't aware there was a stable CM7 release for the mesmerize..
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Clock Work Mod (CWM)
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Clock Work Mod (CWM)
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Exactly! I'm sorry I test alot of different phones and I've started to go through and develop on many of them that I chose out the bunch that deemed reliable and nice enough to be my full time phone
DAAM i want to try this so bad... but miui is just fcken too awesome.....
Thanks YOU!!
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rrockstar.kidd, I appreciate that you are bringing more variety to the Mesmerize forum. We definitely need it, but advertising this as a FULL EC10 build when it is obviously not can cause some serious problems. First of all, if this were a full EC10 build and people were to start making themes for it, then those themes would also work on the Pick-n-Pack, because it is truly FULL EC10 build. If that were to happen, the person flashing the theme would end up in an FC hell because the theme would not be built from EC10.
EC10 Settings.apk does not have Dock settings, but the Fascinate ROMs do. So does sFc for the Mesmerize. EC10 also does not have Media player option in USB settings. It has Kies, but the Fascinate has the Media player as does sFc.
From what I can tell, you either rebuilt another Frankenstein, which is perfectly acceptable, or you just rethemed sFc, not as acceptable with the way you are marketing it and especially in the sFc thread. Either way what you should do is come clean in the OP and name it correctly and tell everyone what it truly is.
I'm not trying to flame you here. I'm just one of the few people that actually doing tech support from here and on irc, so i see all of the problems people have when the start flashing things. So when you name something FULL EC10 and it's actually Fascinate stuff, you are setting people up for a lot of problems, including the people that you SHOULD be working with to help people out.
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rrockstar.kidd, I appreciate that you are bringing more variety to the Mesmerize forum. We definitely need it, but advertising this as a FULL EC10 build when it is obviously not can cause some serious problems. First of all, if this were a full EC10 build and people were to start making themes for it, then those themes would also work on the Pick-n-Pack, because it is truly FULL EC10 build. If that were to happen, the person flashing the theme would end up in an FC hell because the theme would not be built from EC10.
EC10 Settings.apk does not have Dock settings, but the Fascinate ROMs do. So does sFc for the Mesmerize. EC10 also does not have Media player option in USB settings. It has Kies, but the Fascinate has the Media player as does sFc.
From what I can tell, you either rebuilt another Frankenstein, which is perfectly acceptable, or you just rethemed sFc, not as acceptable with the way you are marketing it and especially in the sFc thread. Either way what you should do is come clean in the OP and name it correctly and tell everyone what it truly is.
I'm not trying to flame you here. I'm just one of the few people that actually doing tech support from here and on irc, so i see all of the problems people have when the start flashing things. So when you name something FULL EC10 and it's actually Fascinate stuff, you are setting people up for a lot of problems, including the people that you SHOULD be working with to help people out.
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No this is EC10 build with EC10 files and themes work perfectly as long as you dont replace certain features such as settings.apk if you want to theme the settings all you have to do is extract the one in this rom and theme it to your liking.
it contains everything you would need to upgrade from 2.1 or from another 2.2 as long as you have CWM all I did was decompile some of the jar files and apks from the fascinate and see what needed to be changed for the uscc 2.2 EC10 build and done so everything works but maps for some reason it wont upgrade it keeps giving me error -8
I think im pretty sure if someone would want to theme these files im sure flashing it afterwards for a themed rom being built off of this rom would work just fine, I been changing mine up this whole time changing this and that, but this is ACTUALLY MESMERIZE files correct me if im wrong though if you feel like trying it out or getting someone else to. I am sorry if I may have caused any confusion will change the title to just EC10. I am no great developer so naming and what I think may actually be wrong just help me out IMMA NOOB
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No this is EC10 build with EC10 files and themes work perfectly as long as you dont replace certain features such as settings.apk if you want to theme the settings all you have to do is extract the one in this rom and theme it to your liking.
it contains everything you would need to upgrade from 2.1 or from another 2.2 as long as you have CWM all I did was decompile some of the jar files and apks from the fascinate and see what needed to be changed for the uscc 2.2 EC10 build and done so everything works but maps for some reason it wont upgrade it keeps giving me error -8
I think im pretty sure if someone would want to theme these files im sure flashing it afterwards for a themed rom being built off of this rom would work just fine, I been changing mine up this whole time changing this and that, but this is ACTUALLY MESMERIZE files correct me if im wrong though if you feel like trying it out or getting someone else to. I am sorry if I may have caused any confusion will change the title to just EC10. I am no great developer so naming and what I think may actually be wrong just help me out IMMA NOOB
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So what I'm seeing you say, is that you have no idea what you actually did. While you were smart enough to get it to work, and you do seem really smart, you don't understand that you actually turned the ROM into a hybrid. While yes, you can build themes for just this ROM, it is very confusing for people to see FULL EC10 in the name of this and think that it isn't interchangeable with the actual EC10 build.
The reason I know all of this, is because I have tested it already. I've looked at the files. They are not EC10 and are not interchangeable. If it was purely EC10, as with other EC10 builds/mods, you could easily interchange the parts properly and they would work. With your build, it doesn't work and causes FC hell exactly like the sFc ROM pieces. I also cannot believe that you completely rebuilt the Settings.apk to include all of the things from the Fascinate, including the things that do not work. That is slightly counterproductive. I also can't believe that you just copied what the Fascinate has working and it worked. Mainly because this has been done many times by many people and it doesn't work. What does work, however, is rebuilding the Fascinate ROM so that it works on the Mesmerize. We know this works because, well, sFc...
Again, rrockstar.kidd, please don't take this as me flaming you. I really do appreciate having another dev here for the Mesmerize and Showcase if you are interested, and I would really like for you to come to the irc channel so we can talk. You obviously have enough skill to do some good work. I just want us all to get on the same page so we don't have problems with the people that are going to be flashing this stuff.
I changed alot of strings and values for the settings and I think the only thing that was brought from fascinate is framework.jar like the vzw services I don't have Verizon so I don't want vzw location on my phone i changed it to wireless network as it was before what irc channel
I had a question on this Stock Deodexed KC1+Root ROM. My buddy Jager, helped me flash my SGS4G to this specific Rom and it worked flawlessly. But now I had a few question on what this whole thing meant.
What do these specific features do?
completely deodexed
Root
Busybox 1.19.0
All Bloat.
What can I do with all four of those things? Could someone give me a brief explanation on each of those I'd greatly appreciate it. and PS. This Rom is Froyo. So since I flashed it. when the official Gingerbread rom comes out OFFICIALLY for T-mobile. would I be able to receive the update via OTA (Over the Air)? Or do I go to "Software Update" in the settings portion of the phone. thanks!
hey man. im glad i helped with the flashing.
i gave you some info before (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1165560&page=2) on what those things are.
specifically, root allows you to change things on your phone that you normally couldnt. it could make it better..or you can brick it if you dont know what you are doing.
since you are not programming or modding, being deodexed shouldnt affect you too much; same for busybox. having them is only a plus but i you dont do anything directly involving them. you need busybox and once you root using superoneclick, you usually have it, so just know you need it and read that link i gave you.
bloat are those extra tmobile programs. many people dont like them because we dont use it and it takes up space, but some people find them useful.
when flashing a new custom rom, you probably wont get ota updates because the fota files are removed, because they take up a ton of space that you dont use 99% of the time. if you are on a stock rom, i think you can still update through kies, but honestly, i will probably never use kies again because this community updates faster and better roms than tmobile. even when the gingerbread update is officially released, i rather stay with teamwhiskey or team acid's roms until they decide to release something because i think their stuff is much better than whatever tmobile can come up with.
do you have any specific questions about the things you listed? or anything in general? we're all here to help
I see. And yeah Jager your awesome haha! But how can I get into those kinds of things. Like the teamwhiskey or acid. Do they have like gingerbread roms that are better than tmobiles? In your opinion do you think custom roms are better than original roms? And to be honest I have no clue what the roms do lol. Besides improved battery life lol. I dont even know what modem is.
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hey man. im glad i helped with the flashing.
i gave you some info before (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1165560&page=2) on what those things are.
specifically, root allows you to change things on your phone that you normally couldnt. it could make it better..or you can brick it if you dont know what you are doing.
since you are not programming or modding, being deodexed shouldnt affect you too much; same for busybox. having them is only a plus but i you dont do anything directly involving them. you need busybox and once you root using superoneclick, you usually have it, so just know you need it and read that link i gave you.
bloat are those extra tmobile programs. many people dont like them because we dont use it and it takes up space, but some people find them useful.
when flashing a new custom rom, you probably wont get ota updates because the fota files are removed, because they take up a ton of space that you dont use 99% of the time. if you are on a stock rom, i think you can still update through kies, but honestly, i will probably never use kies again because this community updates faster and better roms than tmobile. even when the gingerbread update is officially released, i rather stay with teamwhiskey or team acid's roms until they decide to release something because i think their stuff is much better than whatever tmobile can come up with.
do you have any specific questions about the things you listed? or anything in general? we're all here to help
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I downloaded kies. But it recognizes my phone but it wont let me update because the rom is custom last time I tried kies was when I had gingerbread 2.3.3 thats when I asked you how can I flash my phone back to froyo
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honestly, its all up to your personal preference. i think the custom roms are better because 1)its made by our peers, 2) it addresses many issues that USERS face, and 3)they are awesome. but once again, it is all personal preference on what you want to do with your phone.
you can learn a ton from the following. read through it and you will know how mostly everything posted works:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117554
http://cyclopscomputers.com/gs4g
i hope this helps.
I guess I agree with you there because tmobile releases stuff only they want us to have and our peers here create and improve their programs. So I guess I like having custom roms
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jager555 said:
honestly, its all up to your personal preference. i think the custom roms are better because 1)its made by our peers, 2) it addresses many issues that USERS face, and 3)they are awesome. but once again, it is all personal preference on what you want to do with your phone.
you can learn a ton from the following. read through it and you will know how mostly everything posted works:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117554
http://cyclopscomputers.com/gs4g
i hope this helps.
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okay now I have another question for you haha, you've like told me so much about this rom stuff and make it sound all so cool. So in your opinion who do you think has the best Gingerbread ROM for the galaxy s 4g? in this like forum, because I'm searching through tons and I can't choose which is best haha. and if it says "contains all bloat" does that mean the programs Tmobile has on the phone is like removed to save space. and is it true if the rom is deodexed it makes the phone faster and a little cooler?
So my first post sucked..Now what?? Well noobz gotta start somewhere.. I want to be helpful so i can get to the Dev side of things.. Ha don't we all.. O.K. some random helpful s#it!! Backup everything.. If you haven't learned to backup your phone before flashing roms then your probably going to brick it soon.. Not to worry it can be salvaged as someone with a bricked phone learns quickly.. xda has the answers. Ask on a random forum or find one related. Dude really anyone who plays a video game once in awhile knows back it up or deal with the do over that can take hours sometimes.. On my phone I use a MOAR rom ported by NewCultKing,"Give it up for the King". Not so great anyone can get that I know but I use an Anakonda framework theme by dazednconfused.. Ah see now I got your attention, cause its on my verizon I535..Not sprint or Goodness. I didn't even port it. I cheated a bit. Porting takes time, something I lack.. If you check out my profile Pics under the captions you'll see some stuff that explains somethings.. Mainly I took the theme as is from the 4.2 goodness rom theme anakonda matched it mb1 version and flashed over my MOAR rom. It works because Sprint and verizon roms are about 95% the same. The kicker is to make it all work you may have to remove or replace some of the system apks which you can find after flashing in the settings applications. Pie seems to be one just find the last original make download the apk reflash and boom you got it back. Not all we be so easy but beauty is painful..LOL Just make sure to backup before you use this method and I am not responsible for anything you try or your device.. You do this at your own risk. I am a problem solver and love plugging away at my phone at random times.. Plus i love cool S#it...I will try out different methods and roms post em.. I am also working on my own rom and kernal give it time cause i am still learning java as C# was my first programming language which i know only about 90% of but i learn quick and i have works that are working just not how thier supposed to or how i want them to..LOL
Start here,then... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228
Edit now that the first part is out of the way, Please scroll down to the bottom for another question, Just trying to keep everything orgainized if possible. Hope This doesn't go in q & a.
Hey fellows, I just bought a s5 and can return it within two days for a full refund. Cost me 140 plus tax, used in great condition no scratches at all on the screen, and got a nice case with it. Was going to order an LG G3 since I'd been doing a bunch of research on it, but came around this and figured I'd give it a whirl. I did a little research on xda while in the store before buying it.
Now that I've been home and reading and reading and reading, I've got it rooted using the lollipop root thread which requires you to use odin. No biggie there but the LP safestrap wouldn't install. And after root I can't install apps from the play store anymore. Error 494 or something like that sorry I'm not more specific.
Right now it has the latest and greatest OTA B1B? I can't remember all four off hand. Some thread I've read have suggested that it is possible to install safestrap and then install rom's but I'm unclear if I have to downgrade though odin flash a different kernel or what. I'm kinda afraid to do too much too it without making a backup because I'd need to get it back to stock before I return it if I do.
I guess my questions are, will I be able to install alliance rom? I don't believe so since it's on a different base. Will I be able to do anything to it other than root? It's not a bad device by all means, but If development is dying, and it's locked down so tight I couldn't squeeze a hair in there, I see no reason to keep it. Again, i've been cramming all evening on all threads, and some say it's possible to get safestrap for lp on there with root, to install TW roms. I know I'll never be able to get AOSP stuff on there regardless.
I could probably get by with just root and debloating. But The alliance rom has some nice themeing options that I'd like.
If you guys were me and please be honest, would you keep it and try to get it to work, or just return it for a refund? I had an s3 but never took any OTA's so I could install roms until my eyes turned blue even though development was slowing on it when mine broke down..
Also do you guys have any idea why the play store isn't working anymore? I'm tempted to factory reset now probably losing root in the process, just to try to get my play store working again.
Any and all thoughts will be appreciated. Again I've studied almost all the faq type all in one general help threads and I've never dealt with safe strap before but at this point I can't even install that. The apk installs but clicking install with root access does nothing.
thanks for any input provided.
griz
Well Looks like I've got safestrap installed with the bok3 kernel although the device came with the BPB1 kernel / firmware. So does this mean that I can only install roms now that are lollipop with bok3 as their kernel? And would you still return the device to order a G3 which has better specs and more ongoing development?
Depends. Download "eMMC Brickbug Check" from the play store and post a screenshot of it.
Honestly, having played a lot with various ROMS on this phones, I can say that my fav is the current stock MM. Fast, great performance and battery life, and hopefully, we will get root eventually. In the mean time, Iam not really missing it.
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Thanks for the input the emmc check said the brick bug wasn't present. I've got to have root so mm is not an option. I need root for things like tibu and to set enforce =0 for selinux to use my old game pad which isn't 100% necessary but nice when I want to use it. This stock rom seems to drink battery life. Do you think I could install alliance or another debloaTed rom?
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Thanks for the input the emmc check said the brick bug wasn't present. I've got to have root so mm is not an option. I need root for things like tibu and to set enforce =0 for selinux to use my old game pad which isn't 100% necessary but nice when I want to use it. This stock rom seems to drink battery life. Do you think I could install alliance or another debloaTed rom?
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B1B is not a build, so you should check that. All lollipop builds can be rooted, and in certain situations marshmallow can be downgraded. Especially if you can unlock the bootloader. You should really check the development thread before you just give up on the device.
Please I don't wish to start a war, just a informative Pro and Con.
Nandr0idC0nsumer thanks for the tip on that App, I ran it iniitally but didn't do the entire scan. I'm doing that as I type this. (It finished and read test passed 132s 14.7GB 114.5MB/s Under emmc chip it reads:
Type MAG2GC
Date 05/98
CID a very long string.
FwRev:00x0
Brick Bug NO. Same Chip
I was hoping this would test to see if I could make it a dev edition but I'll read more on that later.
Now, Even though this isn't the device I initially wanted, I found it in mint condition and with it and the case (Bulky but I weed eat, mow, and stuff, a Lunatik Tatik Extreme that I've read good reviews on every though it's bulky but it's red so I don't have to see the gold, and from what I've read protects well and looks Heavy Duty) and transfer of my Selectel service only paid around 160 after tax. I ended up with a gold colored model, with stock lollipop,
The baseband now says BOK3 but had something Newer BPB1 the first night I got it, I read and read and then read some more as I'm new to safestrap but not to Sammy having had an S3, nor to flashing as I've also owned a DX and DX2(bought used mainly for the sdcard at the time for 20 bucks and to use as a wifi remote)
My questions are as follows. One person above musiclover7 said he's perfectly satisfied with MM non-rooted, I assume an OTA maybe?
I rooted using the odin lollipop method, then installed Alliance Rom to start with as it seemed compatible, and I like the customization ability. I prefer AOSP for just this reason and this was why I was leary about getting this device, the locked bootloader. I've read a little about a lot of rom's available, Although Alliance is highly customizable in the looks dept, and I used the extreme Debloat scropt/zip when flashing all those options are a bit much and it can take time to get the look just right especially with the Black glass mod/zip which I remember from Alliance for the S3, on the old S3 I only ran TW occasionally, mailnly running SLIM, then Nameless, then AICP at the very end. because I'm a sucker for the T-mo theme engine. Aesthetics are very important to me.
One question is with the note roms's and S6/7 ported roms why do I need S-pen when I don't have a note? Why do I need the edge stuff built in when the device isn't an edge? What can that do? I know I have a lot more reading to do but I just want to get a general concensus on what people are running and why, if you are only on TW roms? I haven't seen any themes available in the theme section and I can't stand all the white in settings and such on a stock rom. Nor can I stand the Sammy/VZW bloat. I'm looking at Phoenix which is based on a phone rom with edge support? Am I missing something here? And with the note rom's why would I need the S-pen which I may not have to install if it's aroma based or just freeze/delete it after installation. I have xposed installed because I prefer the net stats app to any other net stat's app out there. I know Wanam is available and gravity for stock roms. I also recall using a module that let me use T-Mo themes on rom's, but I believe the roms I used that on was an AOSP based rom that didn't have T-MO or Layers Implemented yet, like slim around the KK/LP era if memory serves me and it may not.
SO What roms are you using and why? Again, I know people hate threads like this I have no intention of starting a war of roms. It'd be better if I did have the unlocked BL edition or could make it so but I've not got that far yet. Please do not hate on other peoples work. We're all in this together, and most work borrows from others work anyway. And what I've loved about Andy from the DX days is that one size doesn't fit all. We had Bur based roms, CM7 (with most all stock features added eventually), and WizardOO's awesome MIUI builds. And WIz's awesome preboot menu that let one choose a governor and overclock and such without the need for an app. That was an awesome tool back in the day. I'll never forget Wizard00's work on that nor the work done by the main CM7 dev, and those two did help one another figure things out like getting HDMI working.
Anyway, sorry for the rants, and so many questions, I know it'll be impossible to answer all, but I'll edit the Title and Tags to hopefully help other users in the future.
Thanks for reading my TLDR post. Those who know me know I tend to go into way too much detail, and sometimes not the details needed.
Thanks again, I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say.
griz
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Nandr0idC0nsumer thanks for the tip on that App, I ran it iniitally but didn't do the entire scan. I'm doing that as I type this. (It finished and read test passed 132s 14.7GB 114.5MB/s Under emmc chip it reads:
Type MAG2GC
Date 05/98
CID a very long string.
FwRev:00x0
Brick Bug NO. Same Chip
I was hoping this would test to see if I could make it a dev edition but I'll read more on that later.
Now, Even though this isn't the device I initially wanted, I found it in mint condition and with it and the case (Bulky but I weed eat, mow, and stuff, a Lunatik Tatik Extreme that I've read good reviews on every though it's bulky but it's red so I don't have to see the gold, and from what I've read protects well and looks Heavy Duty) and transfer of my Selectel service only paid around 160 after tax. I ended up with a gold colored model, with stock lollipop,
The baseband now says BOK3 but had something Newer BPB1 the first night I got it, I read and read and then read some more as I'm new to safestrap but not to Sammy having had an S3, nor to flashing as I've also owned a DX and DX2(bought used mainly for the sdcard at the time for 20 bucks and to use as a wifi remote)
My questions are as follows. One person above musiclover7 said he's perfectly satisfied with MM non-rooted, I assume an OTA maybe?
I rooted using the odin lollipop method, then installed Alliance Rom to start with as it seemed compatible, and I like the customization ability. I prefer AOSP for just this reason and this was why I was leary about getting this device, the locked bootloader. I've read a little about a lot of rom's available, Although Alliance is highly customizable in the looks dept, and I used the extreme Debloat scropt/zip when flashing all those options are a bit much and it can take time to get the look just right especially with the Black glass mod/zip which I remember from Alliance for the S3, on the old S3 I only ran TW occasionally, mailnly running SLIM, then Nameless, then AICP at the very end. because I'm a sucker for the T-mo theme engine. Aesthetics are very important to me.
One question is with the note roms's and S6/7 ported roms why do I need S-pen when I don't have a note? Why do I need the edge stuff built in when the device isn't an edge? What can that do? I know I have a lot more reading to do but I just want to get a general concensus on what people are running and why, if you are only on TW roms? I haven't seen any themes available in the theme section and I can't stand all the white in settings and such on a stock rom. Nor can I stand the Sammy/VZW bloat. I'm looking at Phoenix which is based on a phone rom with edge support? Am I missing something here? And with the note rom's why would I need the S-pen which I may not have to install if it's aroma based or just freeze/delete it after installation. I have xposed installed because I prefer the net stats app to any other net stat's app out there. I know Wanam is available and gravity for stock roms. I also recall using a module that let me use T-Mo themes on rom's, but I believe the roms I used that on was an AOSP based rom that didn't have T-MO or Layers Implemented yet, like slim around the KK/LP era if memory serves me and it may not.
SO What roms are you using and why? Again, I know people hate threads like this I have no intention of starting a war of roms. It'd be better if I did have the unlocked BL edition or could make it so but I've not got that far yet. Please do not hate on other peoples work. We're all in this together, and most work borrows from others work anyway. And what I've loved about Andy from the DX days is that one size doesn't fit all. We had Bur based roms, CM7 (with most all stock features added eventually), and WizardOO's awesome MIUI builds. And WIz's awesome preboot menu that let one choose a governor and overclock and such without the need for an app. That was an awesome tool back in the day. I'll never forget Wizard00's work on that nor the work done by the main CM7 dev, and those two did help one another figure things out like getting HDMI working.
Anyway, sorry for the rants, and so many questions, I know it'll be impossible to answer all, but I'll edit the Title and Tags to hopefully help other users in the future.
Thanks for reading my TLDR post. Those who know me know I tend to go into way too much detail, and sometimes not the details needed.
Thanks again, I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say.
griz
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Will read the whole thing tomarrow, but what's the first 2 numbers of your CID?
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Will read the whole thing tomarrow, but what's the first 2 numbers of your CID?
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I agree with Nandr0idC0nsumer. You didn't specify what the eMMC Brickbug check read. I'm showing the first 2 numbers needed but if you've read majority of these forums, you'd know what it means...lol
it'd mean I'd hit the jack pot but I figured that'd be mighty sliim.. LOL... But I'm going to give it another whirl. I haven't read everything, but most of the faq's and all-in-one threads. Then the root for lollipop thread along with safestrap, because I was completely new to safestrap, but I could have been wasting my time with safestrap, I certainly hope the hell that I am that would be so awesome, the best news for me since...... I can't remember when the last time I was so lucky.
I can't be this lucky.. Got some reading to do... I should've listened.........
I should have followed through with the posts from you guys but I honestly didn't think I'd be that luck.y... Didn't think I'd have that kind of karma... In the Morning Ladies and Gentlemen and dudes named ben. Thanks guys for hitting me in the mouth...
HOLY bat crap bat man.. Does this mean what I think it does.. I hope so.. I think I've got a new thread to read..
This is for users with 15' Sasmung eMMC's not users with 11 Toshiba eMMC's. You can check this by reading the file
/sys/block/mmcblk0/device/cid
Just the first 2 15xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or 11xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx(my number of x's are random, just read the first 2)
We still are unsure if changing the CID causes app store, verification, activation, provision, or other issues, everything you do is at your own risk!
REACTIVATION LOCK MUST BE TURNED OFF. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED
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I figured that would be few and far between, I hope I can magically transform my phone into a dev model.... I'm assuming that'd be as good as having my old S3 without taking that bad OTA... OMG.. I'm hoping this is good news. I'm off to read the post.. I gotta work in the morning but now... Wow..... It's like a natural high if it means what I think it does. I hoonestly figured that would be like finding a needle in a haystack and my luck is never that good.. But I'm not going to count my chickens before they hatch...
Ohh attached below is the screenshot...
I'm not one for emoji's but...
Just hope I dont screw something up trying to make a dev edition out of my device... ....
I blocked out the last number as in the example above, I don't know why that's important but since the other poster did, I figure I'd better too. Monkey see Monkey doo.
PS Sorry for the mess.. as Han would say.. yeah.. I'm that old..
@griz.droidx Flash stock PB1, then root it, then unlock the bootloader! You have, by chance and luck alone, bought an S5 with the ability to unlock it
Yes you can flash Cyanogenmod. Yes you can flash MM and root it. Basically do whatever you feel like
Question is stock PB1 a stock MM build? I'll do some reading to find out, but I have a nandroid of my BPB8 lollipop rom that's already rooted From reading the unlocking thread, and maybe I missed something I just install the APK and bam I'm unlocked. I'm guessing that once I'm unlocked, and rooted, I need to find myself a TWRP for the device. I thought I could just un-install safe strap from Alliance, Unlock and then flash a recovery.
I figured I was lucky in getting one that can be unlocked or made into a dev edition. I'm never that lucky. But on the unlucky, it appears that I have to now flash roms from the unified thread. And from what I've been able to pick up in an hour or so last night and a little at work today, I'd be best to flash only rom's for Verizon specifically. I don't know exactly to to make the others work with a Verizon MVNO but I'm certain that the VZW one's will because on the S3 I could flash any VZW rom and my MVNO (Selectel) worked. I'm hoping to find a build of AICP since that's what I was using with my S3 before it bit the dust. But flashing fever usually hits and I'm sure I'll try others.
Still doesn't look like there's much development going on for the unlocked builds. But at least I can cruise around on AOSP if I want. But the Extreme Debloat of alliance has been doing pretty good already even without my usually tweaking using autostarts and AFWALL, I do miss the privacy manager most of all from AOSP. I just think that is easier to use than the AP OPS version that's included in Alliance.
Is your phone unlocked? if so What rom are you running, and which ones have you ttied?
Lastly, I want to thank everyone for all their assistance in this thread so far. And for those of you who aren't unlocked, I'd still be interested in knowing which TW rom's you're using and stuff like that. I like aesthetics, and don't like the stock TW look of white everywhere, and I've read that with OLED or OMLED or whatever theyre called, the more black there is the easier it is on the battery. Probably doesn't make a huge difference but every little bit helps.
You can run ROM's from the Android Development thread and Unified thread
The question is unless they're for vzw on particular will they work with my my mvno. I hope so. . But I don't think they will without. Changing apns. Or may not have the proper frequencies enabled for vzw
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Oh, that i wouldn't know. Maybe someone will come across this and have an answer for you
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The question is unless they're for vzw on particular will they work with my my mvno. I hope so. . But I don't think they will without. Changing apns. Or may not have the proper frequencies enabled for vzw
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Flash PB1 from SamMobile (PB1 is stock 5.0 Lollipop rom) and then root, unlock, and flash TWRP.
To simplify, tell me the ROM you want to flash and I'll tell you if it's compatible if you'd like.
EDIT: Yes roms have to be Verizon-compatible. And no changing apns will not help
Thanks for offering to check. . I've found that aicp. Resurrection remix. CM and Phoenix have versions for vzw. . Thanks for offering to check for me. . Thanks for simplifying the unlock and add aosp roms instructions. . I've read and re-read them. . A couple things I'm worried about ate what hardware features may no longer work like the fingerprint reader at least in the one kernel I found. Even unlocked and thrilled as I am I want to make sure as much of it works as possible with aosp. And I don't want to take a performance hit but doubt that'll happen. . Even when the numbers have said I did take a hit in the past three seat of the pants feel said otherwise. . Thanks again to you and everyone else who have replied. . Im still wondering which tw roms people prefer. . Alliance with extreme debloat has did better than I expected. .
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You'll have to make your best judgement. Users install the ROM's and use them as a DD to suit their likings and what they like for a ROM. You'll just have to read the OP of the said ROM and see for yourself....Good luck and HAPPY ROM'n
Hey fellows I am tickled pink that I accidentally ended up with a dev edition. Even though there's not a whole lot of AOSP out there for the VZW version of the s5, I do like me some AOSP. Always have the AOSP ROM bug hit me back with my DX. Having said all that, I was pretty satisfied with the Alliance Rom, and I'd imagine other TW roms have much to offer. I chose Alliance because I'd ran it on the S3 a few times especially when I needed to compare TW to AOSP. I did not upgrade using the method above but I appreciate all the replies from "Nandr0idC0nsumer" very much. I once thought about installing a MM pre rooted firmware first actually. If I could find just the modem and anything else like that which may help the performance and usability of my MM CM based RR rom, I might consider it. And it shouldn't be as difficult now with the unlocked BL. Although safestrap worked nicely for what it's meant to do.
After reading here and elsewhere about unlocking and installing AOSP, I decided to just run the apk which is option one in the how to unlock post, ran the app it installs, checked in recovery to see that it said developer, then using flashify I installed a TWRP image that I downloaded from somewhere. I think TWRP was just for klte though and not kltevzw specifically, but don't quote me on that. Lastly, I booted straight into twrp using the hardware buttons on a reboot to install the AOSP based rom and GAPPS. Easy Peasy. I'm looking for a kernel now, but since I feel that the fingerprint scanner works much better for me in AOSP, I don't want to get a kernel and mess that up even though I could always back it up first. or just re-install the rom.
Hopefully someone will come across this thread and find it useful. If anyone feels like it I'd still like to hear about those different TW roms, and why we'd want to use one for the note? or need one with the S-pen app? Can the S5 work as well as the note for writing on the screen using the S-Pen stuff?
Thanks again, and have a great weekend. Anyone who has any questions for me feel free to PM me. If I don't reply immediately don't think I'm putting you off I sometimes , many times, forget to check or don't notice that I have new images to read. Although help is better from the forum since you can many more opinions, and that's what it's for anyway.