Epic 4G - No Need For Lag Fix - Captivate General

I got my review unit of the Epic 4G in the mail and I wanted to update everyone on the performance of the device in comparison to the Captivate.
The Epic is indeed optimized for speed unlike the Captivate. It scores a 960 stock on Quadrant and obliterates the Captivate in every day usage.
I would go as far as to say that Samsung has eliminated the "stalling/lagging" problem with their latest software, which gives me great hope that future updates for the Captivate will sport the same fixes.
The Epic 4G's performance is akin to the Captivate w/ EXT2 Lag Fix or the NAND fix pre-installed... which is blazing.
Oh, and GPS is working.

Cools, by GPS working you mean it doesn't lose locks while driving or you mean your out standing on your deck and it works......
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Very nice. I've actually noticed the JH3 ROM is a good bit quicker as awell, which bodes well for the fact that it CAN be fixed via software upgrade..

kennethpenn said:
I got my review unit of the Epic 4G in the mail and I wanted to update everyone on the performance of the device in comparison to the Captivate.
The Epic is indeed optimized for speed unlike the Captivate. It scores a 960 stock on Quadrant and obliterates the Captivate in every day usage.
I would go as far as to say that Samsung has eliminated the "stalling/lagging" problem with their latest software, which gives me great hope that future updates for the Captivate will sport the same fixes.
The Epic 4G's performance is akin to the Captivate w/ EXT2 Lag Fix or the NAND fix pre-installed... which is blazing.
Oh, and GPS is working.
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I understood that the Epic 4G was a Galaxy S Pro and had different hardware?

Wrong the epic has the rfs file system same as the rest of the galaxy s phones. It will need lag fix and it will be slower then the rest since the lag fix will be the sd card lag fix. The captivate has the slowest rom. If you just change the rom to I9000 it will run the same as the epic. You prove this your self by posting the quadrant score. If the file system was fixed it would get 1600 to 2000 stock. The droid x has slower cpu & gpu and gets 1200 to 1400.

The RFS subsystem is not such a poor performer on OneNAND, which is why the symlink-to-/dbdata hack works. It seems to be poor only on SD, but it's possible that the I-9000 ships with a newer module that helps with that.
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shep211 said:
Wrong the epic has the rfs file system same as the rest of the galaxy s phones. It will need lag fix and it will be slower then the rest since the lag fix will be the sd card lag fix. The captivate has the slowest rom. If you just change the rom to I9000 it will run the same as the epic. You prove this your self by posting the quadrant score. If the file system was fixed it would get 1600 to 2000 stock. The droid x has slower cpu & gpu and gets 1200 to 1400.
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You clearly don't understand what I posted. The Epic is, in my opinion, faster than the Droid X. Quadrant scores are not to be trusted. The Droid X's I/O score does not represent a boost in real performance. The Epic does not need the lag fix... I would know because I have it. And I have a Droid X comparison. Working on a Droid 2.
I have tried i9000 ROMs on my Captivate. They work better, but still need the lag fix. Epic is fast right out of the box for me.
Having said all that, it is possible that using a lag fix will still boost speed. But I haven't seen one delay or stall so far, so I'm doubtful there will be any noticeable boost.
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Unhelpful said:
The RFS subsystem is not such a poor performer on OneNAND, which is why the symlink-to-/dbdata hack works. It seems to be poor only on SD, but it's possible that the I-9000 ships with a newer module that helps with that.
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rfs file system is called riser file system. it has been around the Unix world for decades. its an OK filesystem. no journaling log so should be fast on nand.
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The truth is its the same rfs partition as all the galaxy s phones and you will need the lag fix. Sure it runs great. My Captivate did 2. Then I tried the lag fix and seen how much faster it could be. Try the sd card lag fix and watch how much faster market, browser & camera opens. Then watch your benchmarks double. Then come back and tell me theres no lag due to file system.

Try running the tool "Benchmark" from the market. What's the filesystem score results?
RFS is not reiserfs. RFS is robust file system, a proprietary filesystem by Samsung based on fat32.

shep211 said:
The truth is its the same rfs partition as all the galaxy s phones and you will need the lag fix. Sure it runs great. My Captivate did 2. Then I tried the lag fix and seen how much faster it could be. Try the sd card lag fix and watch how much faster market, browser & camera opens. Then watch your benchmarks double. Then come back and tell me theres no lag due to file system.
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Quadrant is BS. If you don't believe me and every experienced dev on this board, believe Cyanogen. The I/O test needs to be fixed on Quadrant.
I have the Captivate - stock speed is not half as good as the Epic's stock speed. Epic does not need the lag fix.

And ReiserFS does use a journal. Reiser4 uses a "wandering" log that is probably very similar to a log-structured filesystem in terms of performance and suitability for flash.
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Here's the "Benchmark" application's FS results.
Total:
98.67
Creating 1000 empty files: 4.768 sec
Deleting 1000 empty files: 4.273 sec
Write 1M into file: 6.203474 M/sec
Read 1M from file: 192.3077 M/sec
Again - these benchmark apps are only testing creation, deletion, read, and write. There are other important parts that makeup a device's speed when interacting with files.

kennethpenn said:
Quadrant is BS. If you don't believe me and every experienced dev on this board, believe Cyanogen. The I/O test needs to be fixed on Quadrant.
I have the Captivate - stock speed is not half as good as the Epic's stock speed. Epic does not need the lag fix.
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Are you running stock captivate? Just running the I9000 rom makes it a lot faster. Load up I9000 rom and post video of the speed difference of the two phones. Use market, youtube, camera & browser to test speed differences. Then load the captivate ext2 internal storage lag fix and test that vs epic. I would love to see the results. This has nothing to do with quadrant.

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RFS is not reiserfs. RFS is robust file system, a proprietary filesystem by Samsung based on fat32.
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Exactly.
Nothing more nothing less.

Those are much better than on Captivate without lagfix. I suspect they just put /data on internal NAND... have you checked what device is mounted at /data with adb.
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kennethpenn said:
Quadrant is BS. If you don't believe me and every experienced dev on this board, believe Cyanogen. The I/O test needs to be fixed on Quadrant.
I have the Captivate - stock speed is not half as good as the Epic's stock speed. Epic does not need the lag fix.
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Have a buddy that works at main local Sprint store, have also seen and played with one and yes, it's faster. I get what you're saying re: no need for lag fix. If I had not played with one I would have thought "but adding a lag fix will make the fast speed here much faster!" ... which I don't so much agree with ... that is probably the resistance you're seeing here I think.
Seeing it work like that with the same hardware (presumably?) gave me some hope

That hack could be applied to any I/O benchmark. I/O is fast on ramdisk? Stop the presses!
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Unhelpful said:
Those are much better than on Captivate without lagfix. I suspect they just put /data on internal NAND... have you checked what device is mounted at /data with adb.
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Here is some info posted in the epic forum.
we have 1 gb rom **confirmed!**
256mb goes to system
512mb goes to data
175mb goes to cache
8mb goes to kernel
8mb goes to recovery
65 mb goes to bootloader and database and modem.bin and filesystem map
137 1 256 bml1
137 2 256 bml2
137 3 10240 bml3
137 4 1280 bml4
137 5 1280 bml5
137 6 5120 bml6
137 7 7680 bml7
137 8 7680 bml8
137 9 274944 bml9
137 10 526336 bml10
137 11 179200 bml11
137 12 12800 bml12
rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0
tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=600 0 0
proc /proc proc rw 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
/dev/block/stl6 /mnt/.lfs j4fs rw 0 0
tmpfs /sqlite_stmt_journals tmpfs rw,size=4096k 0 0
none /dev/cpuctl cgroup rw,cpu 0 0
/dev/block/stl9 /system rfs rw,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iocharset=utf8 0 0
/dev/block/stl10 /data rfs rw,nosuid,nodev,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iochars
et=utf8 0 0
/dev/block/stl11 /cache rfs rw,nosuid,nodev,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iochar
set=utf8 0 0
/dev/block//vold/179:1 /sdcard vfat rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=
1015,fmask=0000,dmask=0002,allow_utime=0020,codepa ge=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,s
hortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0

Hmm I'm not sure what to think about this but at the same time I haven't played with an Epic. If it does however run better with the same hardware that should be taken as a good sign.
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can Vodoo Lag Fix be Ported for us? - Post from the I9000

Great idea Chainfire.
When a user first decided to use a modified/custom/different firmware on their Samsung Galaxy S, they usually go through these steps:
1. Flash with Odin/Kies
2. Flash update.zip for root
3. Flash other update.zip (GPS fix, battery mod, etc) as necessary
4. Do a lag fix.
It took me a few hours and reading through countless posts to see the pro's and con's for each lag fix.
I will try to go through them as succintly as possible, and if anyone needs more explanation you can either click the link or do a search.
Feel free to correct me, this is how I see the lagfix as when I applied and tested it
Before starting, here is the internal structure of non volatile memory (where data persist after reboots) in Samsung Galaxy S:
- 128MB of very fast NAND (some people incorrectly called this ROM)
- 16/8GB of internal SD with 2GB set aside for application installs (this is why you see your internal SD as either 13+ or 5+ remaining, the 2GB shows up as Internal Phone storage)
- your micro SD card (external SD)
The lag is due to the inefficiency of the file system used in the 2GB (/data) partition for applications, stalling a lot of the read/write operation. You can search this for further reading if you want to.
Lag fixes
- MoDaCo's lagfix: Better than stock on old F/Ws but about the same as JM1/2/5 and JP1/2/3
This lagfix uses the 128MB very fast NAND to store your applications instead.
Pro: very very fast applications opening/switching performance
Cons: You are limited to 128MB of apps including built in apps .
- Mimocan's lagfix: Significant improvements in performance which can also be benchmarked. Requires an external SDcard formatted partly in fat and partly ext3 or ext4.
This moves the /data files into the ext3/ext4 partition on an external microSD card
Pros: very fast, lots of storage space for apps
Cons: You will be unable to unmount your external SD card when the phone is on, and you need an external SD card for this to work
- OneClick Lagfix by RyanZA: Based on mimocan but using the internal SD card. Results are better than with basic mimocan and it is a lot easier to install.
This creates a file inside the 2GB partition that is mounted as /data.
Pros: very fast, lots of storage space for apps, easy to install and undo, available in the market.
Cons: if you install too many apps you won't be able to roll back the lag fix unless you delete some apps. Superseded by RyanZA lag fix 2.3 beta
Erroneous free space on Internal Phone storage (/data)
There are still stalls when installing apps, and when accessing android applications database
- CFLagFix by Chainfire: Based on mimocan, approximately the same as RyanZA's fix.
pretty much the same as OneClick Lagfix.
look above for Pros
Cons: There are still stalls when installing apps, and when accessing android applications database
-Voodoo lag fix by supercurio: a new class of total lag fix
Instead of creating a file inside the rfs partition and mounting it as /data/data, the voodoo lag fix updates the kernel so that the the 2GB partition is using ext4 instead or rfs. This gives the best possible lag fix.
Pros: fast, smooth, across everything you do. The way galaxy s should have been in the first place. The best and most consistent lag fix with no remaining lag left that is caused by rfs.
Support with other kernel mods are starting to show: backlight mod, OC/UV kernel
Cons: Incompatible with clockworkmod recovery
I am now using voodoo lagfix beta 4 only
http://project-voodoo.org/
Love the Vodoo color would like to try this as well...they are getting OUTRAGIOUS numbers in quadrant!
1deviant said:
Great idea Chainfire.
When a user first decided to use a modified/custom/different firmware on their Samsung Galaxy S, they usually go through these steps:
1. Flash with Odin/Kies
2. Flash update.zip for root
3. Flash other update.zip (GPS fix, battery mod, etc) as necessary
4. Do a lag fix.
It took me a few hours and reading through countless posts to see the pro's and con's for each lag fix.
I will try to go through them as succintly as possible, and if anyone needs more explanation you can either click the link or do a search.
Feel free to correct me, this is how I see the lagfix as when I applied and tested it
Before starting, here is the internal structure of non volatile memory (where data persist after reboots) in Samsung Galaxy S:
- 128MB of very fast NAND (some people incorrectly called this ROM)
- 16/8GB of internal SD with 2GB set aside for application installs (this is why you see your internal SD as either 13+ or 5+ remaining, the 2GB shows up as Internal Phone storage)
- your micro SD card (external SD)
The lag is due to the inefficiency of the file system used in the 2GB (/data) partition for applications, stalling a lot of the read/write operation. You can search this for further reading if you want to.
Lag fixes
- MoDaCo's lagfix: Better than stock on old F/Ws but about the same as JM1/2/5 and JP1/2/3
This lagfix uses the 128MB very fast NAND to store your applications instead.
Pro: very very fast applications opening/switching performance
Cons: You are limited to 128MB of apps including built in apps .
- Mimocan's lagfix: Significant improvements in performance which can also be benchmarked. Requires an external SDcard formatted partly in fat and partly ext3 or ext4.
This moves the /data files into the ext3/ext4 partition on an external microSD card
Pros: very fast, lots of storage space for apps
Cons: You will be unable to unmount your external SD card when the phone is on, and you need an external SD card for this to work
- OneClick Lagfix by RyanZA: Based on mimocan but using the internal SD card. Results are better than with basic mimocan and it is a lot easier to install.
This creates a file inside the 2GB partition that is mounted as /data.
Pros: very fast, lots of storage space for apps, easy to install and undo, available in the market.
Cons: if you install too many apps you won't be able to roll back the lag fix unless you delete some apps. Superseded by RyanZA lag fix 2.3 beta
Erroneous free space on Internal Phone storage (/data)
There are still stalls when installing apps, and when accessing android applications database
- CFLagFix by Chainfire: Based on mimocan, approximately the same as RyanZA's fix.
pretty much the same as OneClick Lagfix.
look above for Pros
Cons: There are still stalls when installing apps, and when accessing android applications database
-Voodoo lag fix by supercurio: a new class of total lag fix
Instead of creating a file inside the rfs partition and mounting it as /data/data, the voodoo lag fix updates the kernel so that the the 2GB partition is using ext4 instead or rfs. This gives the best possible lag fix.
Pros: fast, smooth, across everything you do. The way galaxy s should have been in the first place. The best and most consistent lag fix with no remaining lag left that is caused by rfs.
Support with other kernel mods are starting to show: backlight mod, OC/UV kernel
Cons: Incompatible with clockworkmod recovery
I am now using voodoo lagfix beta 4 only
http://project-voodoo.org/
Love the Vodoo color would like to try this as well...they are getting OUTRAGIOUS numbers in quadrant!
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I believe we have diffrent ext partitions than on the other galaxy s variants.
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the epic doesn't need a lag fix. the quadrant numbers are due to a flaw in quadrant. the lag fix isn't really providing that much better performance (except fixing the lag for phones that need it), quadrant just blows the score out of proportion. Cyanogen was able to tailor an exploit to show this happens on any phone: http://briefmobile.com/cyanogen-demonstrates-quadrants-flaws
as for voodoo color, I don't believe there is a general port yet, but it is built-in to the MixUp kernel.
dwyw42 said:
the epic doesn't need a lag fix. the quadrant numbers are due to a flaw in quadrant. the lag fix isn't really providing that much better performance (except fixing the lag for phones that need it), quadrant just blows the score out of proportion. Cyanogen was able to tailor an exploit to show this happens on any phone: http://briefmobile.com/cyanogen-demonstrates-quadrants-flaws
as for voodoo color, I don't believe there is a general port yet, but it is built-in to the MixUp kernel.
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I have the mixup kernel w/vodoo and love it! I just saw this NFO and wanted a more educated explaination...now I have it!
Forever looking to run faster, just one of my many flaws..never satisfied.
Do love my Epic!!!
Its included in the boss rom and GenuisDogs kernels
Wait a minute? Are you saying that its possible for the voodoo lag fix to be ported to the Epic 4g and thus making this fast phone faster? Am I reading correctly? (I saw on his page that they are planning to work on te Epic as well)
We do not need the lag fix. The lag fix will not make our phone any faster.
voodoo cons: needs more battery than oclf or chainfire's fix
my experience is, that voodoo is less smooth (less means a bit less but its great too - not laggy)
Eazail70x7 said:
Wait a minute? Are you saying that its possible for the voodoo lag fix to be ported to the Epic 4g and thus making this fast phone faster? Am I reading correctly? (I saw on his page that they are planning to work on te Epic as well)
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I talked to Supercurio about me porting it before, but we came to the conclusion that it's unnecessary. We don't use the same NAND chips as the other phones, so we don't have to deal with all the lag **** except what's introduced with RFS. And changing from RFS breaks clockworkmod, so I am avoiding it.
All this is nice,but why is nobody talkin about a fix to use whole 512mb of ram instead 324mb?I had MTS3GS with 600mhz cpu and 512 ram and I hate to admit but it was faster than my Epic even with Sence.If someone could come up with a fix to use whole 512mb instead of 324mb then this phone would fly,this is the only thing that hinders this phone.Rest of the ram is used for cache(ramdisk).
What needs to be done is whole 512mb used for ram and fast NAND used for cache.324mb ram is not sufficient to run android smoothly.

			
				
lviv73 said:
All this is nice,but why is nobody talkin about a fix to use whole 512mb of ram instead 324mb?I had MTS3GS with 600mhz cpu and 512 ram and I hate to admit but it was faster than my Epic even with Sence.If someone could come up with a fix to use whole 512mb instead of 324mb then this phone would fly,this is the only thing that hinders this phone.Rest of the ram is used for cache(ramdisk).
What needs to be done is whole 512mb used for ram and fast NAND used for cache.324mb ram is not sufficient to run android smoothly.
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I'm trying to decide if you are trolling this thread or if you recently suffered head trauma. Those are the two most likely things that I can imagine would cause someone to say the MTS3GS is anywhere near as fast as the epic.
richse said:
I'm trying to decide if you are trolling this thread or if you recently suffered head trauma. Those are the two most likely things that I can imagine would cause someone to say the MTS3GS is anywhere near as fast as the epic.
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B,talk to ur moms like that fagit,i had mytouch slide and it was just as fast if not faster with haf of cpu power.
lviv73 said:
B,talk to ur moms like that fagit,i had mytouch slide and it was just as fast if not faster with haf of cpu power.
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Could someone translate this from "stupid" into english so I can read it and possibly respond?
Lol I'm having a difficult time myself.....is it really faster than the epic? Unlike some people, I don't post nonsense that I know nothing about...I would rather ask first and try and get a correct answer
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specialk0324 said:
Lol I'm having a difficult time myself.....is it really faster than the epic? Unlike some people, I don't post nonsense that I know nothing about...I would rather ask first and try and get a correct answer
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Yeah man,mytouch slide was the fastest phone I ever owned(with 2.1),i think that having 512mb ram is better than having 1ghz cpu.If Epic used 512MB it would most likely be even faster.
Which I tried explaining to the last dude before that ***** came at me wrong without a reason,but its the intenet what can you do,lol.
Just to squash any kind of confusion in this thread...
In no way is the Mytouch Slide faster than the Epic 4G.
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infamousjax said:
Just to squash any kind of confusion in this thread...
In no way is the Mytouch Slide faster than the Epic 4G.
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Go to tmobile and use one with stock 2.1 its just as fast as epic.I dont know what they did to that underpowered phone but its fast.It might not be as fast watching videos,loadind games,etc.But android system itself is fast and more snappy then Epic,i compared the two,gotta be extra ram.
Don't take this the wrong way....but if it didn't load games or play movies as fast, doesn't that at least in part make the epic faster?
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infamousjax said:
Just to squash any kind of confusion in this thread...
In no way is the Mytouch Slide faster than the Epic 4G.
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+1 agreed, there is no way.
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Any advantages to samsungs rfs?

So voodoo was created to solve lag problems...now we have froyo. A leaked version at that and the lag is pretty much gone.....at least in the custom rom builds of froyo. I don't really see the need for voodoo since I upgraded. Are there any benefits to the rfs file system? All I've read are the negatives but that was with eclair.
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Try syncing Touchdown Exchange on RFS alone. Its miserable. Anything that is database intensive (lots of reads/writes) you will notice it. That is really the only app that I have noticed that RFS sucks on, but mainly because that is my primary app.
There must be a reason Samsung chose RFS - unless we hear from a Samsung developer, we may never know.
From what I've been able to gather about RFS, it is a FAT16 FS. Samsung implemented POSIX permissions and their own journaling mechanism on top of it. Sounds like a freaking zombie patchwork filesystem in my opinion.
MS released FAT16 in 1984. EXT4 was released in 2010. If Samsung hadn't of created RFS, my guess is that they would have likely gone with a reasonable choice for that partition: EXT3.
Though my background is systems administration and not phone hacking, I would say that there is not a single instance that I would use FAT over EXT for a filesystem that only Linux will see. EVER. It is only good as a FS that is read by several OSes, and even now NTFS is ubiquitously understood enough that I use it on my USB drives.
Long answer made short: NO. The only advantage RFS has over anything is that it is journaled where, by default, EXT2 and FAT are not.
Here's a very good, comprehensive (but concise) run-down on exactly what's going on with the lag. As the poster explains, journalling on an SSD is not required.

Galaxy 3 Custom Rom

HI everyone
You probably dont know me, but I didt a very nice customization on the galaxy 5
The customization made the battery last 3 times longer and the system 2 as fast and the I/O benchmark in quadrant went from 550 to 3300
I noticed that the galasy 3 uses odin for firmware flashing so its quite the same to make these improvements
If anyone is interesting in testing, helping and check us at http://www.g5devteam.com
Or we also are located on the freenode irc
http://webchat.freenode.net channel #gti5500
Thanks
That's really nice ! Could you please PM me with useful information you've found ? Thanks .
Can you do a firmware like that for the GT-I5800 based on JPF?
motafoca said:
HI everyone
You probably dont know me, but I didt a very nice customization on the galaxy 5
The customization made the battery last 3 times longer and the system 2 as fast and the I/O benchmark in quadrant went from 550 to 3300
I noticed that the galasy 3 uses odin for firmware flashing so its quite the same to make these improvements
If anyone is interesting in testing, helping and check us at http://www.g5devteam.com
Or we also are located on the freenode irc
http://webchat.freenode.net channel #gti5500
Thanks
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Sounds interesting and gr8 nickname I'm looking forward
piece of GOOD WORK!! We are waiting for yours customization for our devices
Looking forward to it .
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Sooooo Close
Would be nice to have more custom Roms for our SG3
I'm very interested in a custom rom of JPF!!
About me, i can program in visual basic and some java too, but that wont help isnt it? If i can help, let me know i would be glad to help
looking forward to some results of your work on thins one A good performing ROM is very welcome on this phone. The hardware is not that bad, bad the software makes it a slow and annoying device...
tat wud be AWSOMe dude... WAiting for ur Work.
ur a rockstar if u do this successfully
so are these tweaks for eclair or froyo ?
It surely will be big for us G3 users to have a custom rom. I m eagerly waitin for it. Will help in testing the ROM
Quadrant scores of 3300 are surely a fake, even the galaxy s scores not more than 1400 to 2000 (if using loop on data which means danger of data loss). Check cyanogens idea of how to fake quadrant scores... but this has nothing to say about real life performance.
Could you give more details on what changes you made?
Edit:
Just seen in your changelog that you use ext2 on system, data and cache. Where eventually system, which should be r/o anyway, is good with ext2, data and maybe also cache could be risky to loose data on unclean shutdown due to having no journal.
News:
- Ported the ext2 to /system
- adb server running as root
- /system is rw
- Im using the I5800XXJPF.rar
- flashing is done via odin, using the PDA.tar file
- Performance increase already
- quadrant values are the same since /data and /cache are still rfs
im opening up a Galaxy 3 Section on forum.g5devteam.com, please feel free to post stuff there
motafoca said:
News:
- Ported the ext2 to /system
- adb server running as root
- /system is rw
- Im using the I5800XXJPF.rar
- flashing is done via odin, using the PDA.tar file
- Performance increase already
- quadrant values are the same since /data and /cache are still rfs
im opening up a Galaxy 3 Section on forum.g5devteam.com, please feel free to post stuff there
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wow!!!! very nice! thanks!!
Techie87 said:
looking forward to some results of your work on thins one A good performing ROM is very welcome on this phone. The hardware is not that bad, bad the software makes it a slow and annoying device...
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I think that HW is not as goog as it should be for this price (comparing to LG Optimus One) - display resolution & graphics
and custom ROM with more options - YES
motafoca said:
News:
- Ported the ext2 to /system
- adb server running as root
- /system is rw
- Im using the I5800XXJPF.rar
- flashing is done via odin, using the PDA.tar file
- Performance increase already
- quadrant values are the same since /data and /cache are still rfs
im opening up a Galaxy 3 Section on forum.g5devteam.com, please feel free to post stuff there
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Waiting for more news
Updates us when this is available and if you have a donate tag i sure will support your good work
I want to update everyone right now about the status of this custom ROM. Motafoca is doing a superb job with this ROM.
So far I have seen (With comparison to stock 2.1 eclair, and cleaned versions of 2.2 JPF) a lot of bonuses.
17h and 18m since unplugged, display on for 1h45min, media server running for 2h 38min, gallery running for 34min, total call usage 27min, sent text messages 317, phone idle 14h 30min. And I'm still at 80% battery life!
Quadrant scores increased slightly in the 3d area, but all other quadrant scores stayed the same. The phone feels a lot faster when loading programs such as messaging and dialer. The phone overall feels a lot more responsive than the other two flashes.
So far this ROM is very promising! Motafoca's work is very well done
Barqers are you beta testing this rom? I did not see any downloads yet...

[HACK] Amazing Quadrant Score

I have found this hack in the Thunderbolt android development thread in some ROM, so I decided to shared with you guys
- Download the attached file. Unzip the file.
- Push the unzipped file in xbin
adb push uber_quadrant /system/xbin
adb shell chmod 755 /system/xbin/uber_quadrant
- Install Quadrant (Advanced or Basic)
- Execute the pushed file.
adb shell /system/xbin/uber_quadrant
- Run Quadrant and be amazed by the score.
Mine is attached without any overclocking.
What does this actually do?
Aliq said:
What does this actually do?
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It hacks the application and gives you amazing scores.
Try it out
theintelligent said:
It hacks the application and gives you amazing scores.
Try it out
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Yeah but it isn't useful in any other way, because its not the real score..
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2271 without OC? That is how it is supposed to perform, a fully stock DHD can do that.
just shows how little value benchmarking has
hoseth0711 said:
Yeah but it isn't useful in any other way, because its not the real score..
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Yes exactly that is the point, these benchmarks should not measure performance of any ROM rather its usability should be the judge.
This is what is in the file:
#!/system/bin/sh
mount -o rw -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.standard
mount -o rw -t tmpfs tmpfs /data/data/com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.advanced
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capychimp said:
just shows how little value benchmarking has
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why does it shows this? i see absolutely no relation to benchmarking. this is faking results. benchmarking is an objective messure of a speciffic (or a range of specific) performance aspects. in fact benchmarking is the only way to messure improvement.
the problem rarely lies wihtin benchmarking but most time at the user that does not understand the benchmark and false concludes from the results.
but in this case this has absolutely nothing to do with the often heared critics about benchmarks.
edit: the script that gets executed simply tricks the io system benchmark.
jkoljo said:
2271 without OC? That is how it is supposed to perform, a fully stock DHD can do that.
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LOL true story.
before i flashed mines, i had 2250 score with stock rom.
hmm, threadstarter self pwn with this thread?
theintelligent said:
It hacks the application and gives you amazing scores.
Try it out
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Overclocked or not, that scores weak my friend, i've had my dhd get over 3000 OC'd.
For whatever reason the advanced quadrant gives you better scores, however neither of them offer an actual reallife score which means your phone still runs the same, kind of pointless, no offence.
I've never really understood the fascination with benchmarks so excuse my ignorance, but is this not like writing 300mph on the speedo in your car and then getting all excited when the needle hits it?
jkoljo said:
2271 without OC? That is how it is supposed to perform, a fully stock DHD can do that.
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True!
I don't see the point of benchmarking. So, I really don't see the point in faking IT!
Lol, this is still a good thread to laugh
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CitizenLee said:
... is this not like writing 300mph on the speedo in your car and then getting all excited when the needle hits it?
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Exactly! There are some very sad people about.
my DHD hardly reaches 1350 with Quadrant standard (stock rom), i wonder how some ppl are achieving 2500 with stock...
swehbe said:
my DHD hardly reaches 1350 with Quadrant standard (stock rom), i wonder how some ppl are achieving 2500 with stock...
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2500 is not possible with stock...
anyway, to get 2000 and a bit above you have to switch the cpu governor to performance. to do this you need root and setcpu. with the default ondemand governor this is not possible.
but do not keep performance governor for daily use! it keeps your cpu freq at max all the time.
Lmao! That's hilarious!
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swehbe said:
my DHD hardly reaches 1350 with Quadrant standard (stock rom), i wonder how some ppl are achieving 2500 with stock...
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You should get a new rom!
My DHD just did 2534 using LeeDroid's kernel at 1.2ghz
'Amazing' doesn't really belong in the title of this thread.

Quadrant with ext4 partitions

Those of you who followed this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1141550, and went all the way backwards to RFS from ext4, you probably made a mistake. ext4 is objectively a better file system, it just may be configured to run somehow slower, although more secure. This security is needed when the drive can be disconnected on the fly or may suddenly lose power, which is obviously not applicable to our phones as the card is inside and nobody normally removes it with the phone on.
Anyway, I looked how Voodoo mounts the ext4 partitions and found couple of things that can be improved. First of all, "noatime" option should be set to all partition wherever possible. This option tells not to ever update last access time upon every read operation. It is actually being set like this with one of the init.d tweaks already. The other option has way bigger effect. It controls delayed allocations, the allocation mechanism that is one of the biggest improvement of ext4 over ext3. For some reason Voodoo sets it to "nodelalloc" for \data partition. As soon as I changed it to "delalloc", my Quadrant score shot from about 1700 to over 2300.
Here is how to fix it, IF YOU ARE STILL ON EXT4 FOR ALL 3 PARTITIONS. If you moved back to RFS this will have no effect.
If you don't use init.d, then you have to start using it You'll have to either modify one of the existing init.d scripts, or write you own like this:
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#!system/bin/sh
for k in $(busybox mount | grep -E 'relatime|nodelalloc' | cut -d " " -f3) ; do
sync
busybox mount -o remount,noatime,delalloc $k
done
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Those who already use init.d tweaks should modify the S98edt_tweaks file. Open it with an editor and change the "for" loop in the beginning (the one that deals with remounting partitions) to my code. Save, reboot, and try Quadrant now.
I also recommend removing the "fix" that extends SD read-ahead cache. Comment out the related code, you can easily find it in this file. This cache can bring more troubles than benefits, but well, it's up to you.
Btw you may as well remove code in 20sombionixInit file that deals with the same "noatime", the part that does "for k in $PART;..., done;", it's just redundant.
If you really wana back up your claim id suggest posing benchmarks. U can also ask dr Honk as hes the one that deved the kernel with voodoo lag fix and ext 4 and as i previously stated most the tweaks are directly from darkey and Teamwhiskey. Granted some can be changed like sd cache it can be commented out smaller and or larger i never said it was the end all be all of use this or else by all means experment. But no offense your just trying to say ext 4 is better not saying it is and isnt but its been stated before and beaten tod death its per case basis not everywhere is it better and in some places it is.
Here is my score now. Running stock KD1 with Bali 3.1, OC-ed to 1.2 MHz. All partitions are ext4, here is how they mounted:
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rootfs on / type rootfs (ro,noatime)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noatime)
sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/block/stl9 on /system type ext4 (rw,noatime,barrier=0,data=writeback,noauto_da_alloc)
/dev/block/stl11 on /cache type ext4 (rw,noatime,barrier=0,data=writeback,noauto_da_alloc)
/dev/block/stl10 on /data type ext4 (rw,noatime,barrier=0,data=ordered,noauto_da_alloc)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=755)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,mode=600)
none on /acct type cgroup (rw,relatime,cpuacct)
/dev/block/stl6 on /mnt/.lfs type j4fs (rw,noatime)
tmpfs on /mnt/asec type tmpfs (rw,relatime,mode=755,gid=1000)
none on /dev/cpuctl type cgroup (rw,relatime,cpu)
/dev/block/stl3 on /efs type rfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/block/vold/179:2 on /data/sdext2 type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
/dev/block/vold/179:1 on /mnt/sdcard type vfat (rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,uid=1000,gid=1015,fmask=0002,dmask=0002,allow_utime=0020,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro)
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Btw this is actually another proof that Quadrant don't mean much and nobody should pay much attention to them. The score just should not have jumped that much because of a single change to file writing option.
Hahahahahaahahahshahshagshs
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Let me ask you who are you? Just curious
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here mines still bigger
RaverX3X said:
Let me ask you who are you?
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Is this question for me or for dsexton702? If for me, I'm a software engineer, actually have been for over 20 years, but we are in medical devices field. I started working with computers long time ago in PDP-11 era as a tech then OS engineer, so I pretty much know (or maybe feel ) how this things work inside.
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here mines still bigger
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how did you get that?
AntonX said:
Is this question for me or for dsexton702? If for me, I'm a software engineer, actually have been for over 20 years, but we are in medical devices field. I started working with computers long time ago in PDP-11 era as a tech then OS engineer, so I pretty much know (or maybe feel ) how this things work inside.
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It was for you i know who dsexton is .
juan16h said:
how did you get that?
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2.0 ghz oc cooled it long enough to be stable and take a pic and then reverted the changes phone gets really hot fast
How much are you overclocked? Do you want me to try 1.5MHz? I really don't want doing it, there is no practical reason.
Btw I wonder how your /data is mounted. Didn't you guys live it as ext4? Maybe you should change the mount options and see what happens. So if it's still ext4, try running this from adb:
adb shell
su
busybox mount -o remount,noatime,delalloc /data
Run the scores again see if they change. I myself think they will not, it's more of a peculiarity of Quadrant than real improvement.
AntonX said:
How much are you overclocked? Do you want me to try 1.5MHz? I really don't want doing it, there is no practical reason.
Btw I wonder how your /data is mounted. Didn't you guys live it as ext4? Maybe you should change the mount options and see what happens. So if it's still ext4, try running this from adb:
adb shell
su
busybox mount -o remount,noatime,delalloc /data
Run the scores again see if they change. I myself think they will not, it's more of a peculiarity of Quadrant than real improvement.
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2.0ghz oc but i had get the phone extreamly cold oc it run it snap pic get out of it its not stable for long at all..
wow at 2.0 Ghz this phone would murder all others
juan16h said:
wow at 2.0 Ghz this phone would murder all others
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dont try it on your device as i did it on a tester phone i sent krylon my other sgs4g and now im using the sgs 2 ( this was done on the dev sgs 4g tester phone i have)...
juan16h said:
wow at 2.0 Ghz this phone would murder all others
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lol umm the sgs 2 can pimp 5k benches like nothing about 4500 easy stock did it
RaverX3X said:
lol umm the sgs 2 can pimp 5k benches like nothing about 4500 easy stock did it
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remember...the sgs 2 is at 2.4ghz...pretty damn big difference just saying and can you give me a smartbench score on 2.0ghz on sgs 4g vs sgs2? just curious
Here is my score with Raver & Dsexton's method.
build is in my signature... kd1/bali 3.1uv oc'd to 1.5......
I can also tell you that as my quad score also went up... normal use of the phone is where it really shows. Instant anything.... smooth as butter. So I would say that quadrant does hold some water as far as how well your phone runs.
here is a run just now at 1.0ghz and my best run at 1.5ghz as well...
rickyc19 said:
remember...the sgs 2 is at 2.4ghz...pretty damn big difference just saying and can you give me a smartbench score on 2.0ghz on sgs 4g vs sgs2? just curious
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i would if i could keep the phone stable enough to run a few benchamarks it was hard enough getting it stable enough for that to run
and the sgs2 is 1.2ghz not 2.4
did this thread really turn into a "my quadrant score has a bigger ENGINE than your quadrant score"? because thats what it reads like.. get over yourselves..
your both posting really great mods that help the community immensely.. if people want to choose ext4 or rfs they can, but lets keep it at that..
edited: for the young padawans

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