This is what I found on a local papers. My God, Big Brother watching you via your phone
IBM revealed in its Next Five In Five study that one of the biggest innovations that will change our lives in the next five years is mobile phones that can read our minds.
The study said that advanced "presence" technology, which IBM is testing with Norway's biggest telecommunications group, will allow mobile devices and networks to learn about users' whereabouts and preferences as they commute, work and travel.
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i would not put much trust it that source
when
1 they dont name the norwegian isp
2 norway have pretty strict privicy laws
What exactly is new about this?
At least in the US (I think in other places too by now) all mobile phones are required to have a GPS chip by law so they can be tracked in case of emergency or "criminal situation".
Believe me, if big brother wanted to watch you, they would not advertise the technology. I think this is more of a "phishing trip" (thats phishing whit "ph" as in internet scam) so cell companies can shove targeted commercials up your @@@ and make more money.
Rudegar said:
i would not put much trust it that source
when
1 they dont name the norwegian isp
2 norway have pretty strict privicy laws
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They say Norwegian telecoms group, not isp. That would probably indicate Nokia...
also
Privacy is one thing, but "features for customer benefit" are another... remember what was said when people wanted to put CCTV in city centres? These days you just kinda accept that they will be under constant scrutiny...
not exactly the same, but it would be the "customer benefit" that eventualy outwieghs the more sinister uses for the technology.
Already some of us are using MSN live search, or Google Maps and seeing the advantages that brings... as soon as the more widespread acceptance of these new uses is apparent people will let it slip to the backs of their minds that the evil people in the shadows could use this information to great effect for anything they wanted....
When im rich, im buying an island and building a huge farraday cage around it so they cant read my brain with microwaves and lasers. heeheh
nokia is from finland not norway
no mobil producers i know of are based in norway
a norwegian telcom company is telenor though that could be a player i doubt it though it's not really atune with the nordic system to test out a big brother system least of all in norway
and normal mobils dont! have gps's in them but they connect to antennas and the antennas know who are connected to them and from what direction they are connected from thats all
if the operater let people this can be used as a pretty crude form of gps but it's prob closer to a 1km pricision then a 1m or what ever gps is today
Hmm, I distinctly remember reading something about GPS1 even in normal phones but i could be wrong.
Just wanted to make a point that if they want to find you they will, though making this point is hard to do without sounding paranoid.
P.S. Not too relevant, but I am fairly sure (don't have a link to prove it) that commercial GPS (like those in PPCs) are accurate to about 10 meters and the nav software compensates by assuming you are in a car on a given street.
There is a something called DGPS (differential) that is accurate to less then one meter but it relies on ground stations in addition to satellites and is only available in certain areas.
we are traceable as is via our phones and there are no such things as private calls
9yrs in the militray and 11 in the gov security uk/overseas
trace over phone ... do you know "gsm cell id" ... in the future, all provider in austria must store "cell ids" and connection data for 6 months. the first steps to build a visible user are done!
in the uk people have already been located in court case for serious crimes ,using the monbilephone to give times and locations within feet
Does any one know of a theft alarm that will give a warning when my mobile is away from the receiver (in my pocket) more than a certain distance? Maybe built on RFID technology or blue tooth?
Your question made me imagine a phone tied by a piece of string to one of your pockets, so if someone jerks it out without you noticing, it would also jerk your pants. lol
that would be the simplest solution; still, I prefer technology, a very tiny transmitter hidden in the mobile, preferably a passive RFID tag so it will not contain a battery which then will be paired to a receiver that can only detect this tag. If the mobile is out of range, a buzzer and vibrating alarm is activated in the receiver.
I know that this seems possible, however, current RFID readers are priced in Ks of $, and this will not make it feasible for every one to buy it.
There are some alarms in the market with the same idea but built on different technology, their problem is that the transmitter is noticeable and the thief can simply remove them the moment he picks the mobile.
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ok so you are running late for work and forget to put the non mobile side of the detector on your person one morning, you get part of the way out the door up the street and your phone starts buzzing and beeping like crazy.... run back to pick up the chip???
yeah if you really want this that bad string sounds good.
cktlcmd said:
Your question made me imagine a phone tied by a piece of string to one of your pockets, so if someone jerks it out without you noticing, it would also jerk your pants. lol
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Also, if the phone slip of your hand, the string will prevent it from drop to the floor. Not a bad idea, expecially you get two protections for the price of one.
If you carved some gooves into the side of the phone you could make a yoyo too.
come on guys, where I live, 3 out of 5 mobile owners had their mobiles theft at least once, if we use the string alarm, I imagine every one walking down the street is screaming out of pain because a thief tried to steal his mobile and had to let go when he found it stringed, this sudden release hearts I think
phones are considered disposable technology these days, i remember a few years back when insurance companies in australia use to offer insurance on phone theft but no one really bothered with it much.
if someone wants my phone badly enough to try and take it from my pocket i garentee there will be some sort of weapon involved and they will want my wallet and keys too and that being the case they can have it.
also considering that most people are aware that a phone can be tracked via the cell network who would buy it? its not like you will pay $50 down the pub for it knowing that someone would have reported it stolen and ur average thief aint smart enough to know how to change the IMEI number nor would anyone who is stupid enough to buy a $50 phone at a pub with half a string attached to it (LMAO)
st3v3 said:
phones are considered disposable technology these days, i remember a few years back when insurance companies in australia use to offer insurance on phone theft but no one really bothered with it much.
if someone wants my phone badly enough to try and take it from my pocket i garentee there will be some sort of weapon involved and they will want my wallet and keys too and that being the case they can have it.
also considering that most people are aware that a phone can be tracked via the cell network who would buy it? its not like you will pay $50 down the pub for it knowing that someone would have reported it stolen and ur average thief aint smart enough to know how to change the IMEI number nor would anyone who is stupid enough to buy a $50 phone at a pub with half a string attached to it (LMAO)
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Obviously you have not been on any poor parts of the world, based on your opinion. But in reality, there are parts of the world where cell phones don't have insurance, and they do sell it on the nearby pub, and people actually will buy them believe it or not. Just my observation.
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where I live, it is exactly as what cktlcmd described, a phone may cost the salary of several months to some people, police can not track all of them and they get stolen only when you loose your attention for one moment (it takes less than 30 seconds of not paying attention to loose your mobile as per statistics), so may be a theft alarm does not sound feasible where st3v3 lives, but here, it sure is. Besides, loosing the data and having someone looking at your personal data is what hearts more.
hatamata said:
where I live, it is exactly as what cktlcmd described, a phone may cost the salary of several months to some people, police can not track all of them and they get stolen only when you loose your attention for one moment (it takes less than 30 seconds of not paying attention to loose your mobile as per statistics), so may be a theft alarm does not sound feasible where st3v3 lives, but here, it sure is. Besides, loosing the data and having someone looking at your personal data is what hearts more.
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point taken but having the phone vibrate and beep still isnt going to act as much of a deterant, a running thief will just keep running!
hatamata said:
Besides, loosing the data and having someone looking at your personal data is what hearts more.
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st3v3 said:
point taken but having the phone vibrate and beep still isnt going to act as much of a deterant, a running thief will just keep running!
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Not the phone that will vibrate, it is the receiver which should be in my pocket
As for Menneisyys's back up idea, it sure will save most data but not all of it, still, it will not prevent others from seeing my sensitive data stored on the phone.
hatamata said:
where I live, it is exactly as what cktlcmd described, a phone may cost the salary of several months to some people, police can not track all of them and they get stolen only when you loose your attention for one moment (it takes less than 30 seconds of not paying attention to loose your mobile as per statistics)...
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I know that there are countries where a phone cost a few months of salary.. but I'm pretty sure that in those countries, there are always cheaper alternatives. E.g. India's gazillion-aire may buy an A380 as private jet.. build a tower as his own house.. but they do have pretty cheap cars (as I heard, £1,000+). Hence, I don't really understand when people are willing to spend several month of salary on a phone. If that's the case, then probably that's a risk they have to take. E.g., you don't get a convertible car in China unless you are prepared to hire body guards.
AND, if that phone is going to cost the person buying the phone x months of salary, I would think it would cost y (where y > x) months of salary for the person who is stealing it, and some beeping gadgets will not do the job. The beeping gadget will probably make a `theft` to a `robbery`, I think.
Anyway, cute beeping gadget .
hatamata said:
Not the phone that will vibrate, it is the receiver which should be in my pocket
As for Menneisyys's back up idea, it sure will save most data but not all of it, still, it will not prevent others from seeing my sensitive data stored on the phone.
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You can encrypt everything on, say, your card in the background - WM6 already supports this. Also, there already are Remote Wipe solutions.
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The way I understand things is that with "4G" aka hspa+ and LTE id that the towers are now glorified wireless routers with a hard line (fiber or something ) routing all Internet access from your phone (which has its own unique Mac address) through your carriers servers. So why does it cost $50/3GB of data when if you have Internet access through an isp at your home you're paying the same for pretty much unlimited usage? Greed? All the carriers talk about people straining the network with all the band with usage, it's like how they charge for texting when it doesn't cost anything extra since it's sending your text through the towers pinging between themselves and your phone? Any thoughts or do you think I'm just rambling and don't have my information correct?
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It's not that simple.
Obviously all this wonderful technology costs a bunch... if it was as cheap as you make it sound, either one of two things would be true:
1. The phone companies would be insanely wealthy.
or
2. Someone would start a phone company that undercut the others, since everyone else is 'overcharging'.
Neither of which has happened.
The infrastructure to carry all that data costs BILLIONS, and then you can tack on all the money it costs to actually run it, and make sure that it stays running.
Frankly, you should be happy that they can get it to you for the reasonable value they do.
FearTheCowboy said:
It's not that simple.
Obviously all this wonderful technology costs a bunch... if it was as cheap as you make it sound, either one of two things would be true:
1. The phone companies would be insanely wealthy.
or
2. Someone would start a phone company that undercut the others, since everyone else is 'overcharging'.
Neither of which has happened.
The infrastructure to carry all that data costs BILLIONS, and then you can tack on all the money it costs to actually run it, and make sure that it stays running.
Frankly, you should be happy that they can get it to you for the reasonable value they do.
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Good points, 1 the telcos are wealthy pulling in billions in profits every quarter
2 they've effectively made it so you can't make your own upstart to undercut them, as far as isps go
With all this money being spent on technology and the fact that as technology gets more advanced it becomes cheaper to produce. I do understand needing revenue to use towards R&D and updating and maintaining equipment, but if you lived in a city that's blanketed in "free" wifi you could effectively use it for voip and all your data needs.
I get you'd be paying more from an isp to be getting lte speeds per month, rather from the carrier of your choice, but it's a flat rate, you don't get X GBs of data and they charge you more if you go over, even with the billions the isps use to maintain and update their equipment, but what about the existing infrastructure, it's not like it was built over the past few years. Mobile data just tunnels through the Internet, like I said it really is just specialized 802.xx wireless equipment essentially. It's not like every time I access the Internet on my phone that it has to chain between 30+ towers to get to me. How is it that the price of mobile data has gone up but to have high speed at home its gone down?
Sorry now I'm just rambling lol
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