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HSUPA

I remember that it was once touted that the phone would handle HSUPA.
Any idea whether it does?

coolVariable said:
I remember that it was once touted that the phone would handle HSUPA.
Any idea whether it does?
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This should probably be in kaiser general, as it has nothing to do w/ cooking.

thought that it likely needs to be enabled via a rom hack/update.
My Kaiser is currently getting 754Kb down / 320Kb up at the airport in Atlanta (sharing internet via wifi to my laptop)

AT&T is currently in the process of upgrading their network nationwide to support much higher upload and download speeds. Check out this Engadget link. Can you say 20mbps 3G?

ATT is actually refering to the new network as 3.5G it will be available in 20 major metropolitan areas by the end of the year. Regular 3g will be available in 120 new locations in the same time frame.

HSUPA does work and I have used it as it is avalible on the Rogers network in Toronto and Calgary. The TyTN II, Kaiser, Tilt... will always show "E" as in edge, but will flip to "H" only if you are connecting and HSUPA/HSDPA is avalible. Some ROMs have an option to turn on or off the HSUPA feature but the stock Tilt ROM was setup to use that network right away.

Dangerously said:
HSUPA does work and I have used it as it is avalible on the Rogers network in Toronto and Calgary. The TyTN II, Kaiser, Tilt... will always show "E" as in edge, but will flip to "H" only if you are connecting and HSUPA/HSDPA is avalible. Some ROMs have an option to turn on or off the HSUPA feature but the stock Tilt ROM was setup to use that network right away.
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This is going to be a silly question, but I will ask anyway. I'm on AT&T. Where I live my game room gets 3G now suddenly. No other rooms gets it but this one. I'm very excited about it. When they do this roll out, does that mean that places that are on the border with 3G like my house, will get engulfed in it or does it just mean that the areas that currently have will be faster. I hope that my question makes sense.
Thanks

HSDPA support "missing" in most builds

Just thought I should bring this up. I have noticed that most of the builds does not support HSDPA which is a faster version of UMTS data networks, (check Wikipedia for more information).
I have first noticed it after flashing KingxKxRom, which is the only Rom - that I have tested - that supports HSDPA. Maxisma, Ccyrowski, Cyanogen, and Enomther Builds do not support it for some reason!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong; Hero, Magic, and the Dream do support it by hardware. So I wonder; where the Ball was dropped , or is it just that Kingklick is using a different base for his build, or is it a kernel matter.
This was bothering me for several days and after a lot of research I could not find the reason behind it. I’m not a Rom developer by all means; just thought developers could shed some light about it.

This has been discussed previously. HSDPA is actually supported in those ROMs, however the "3G" icon doesn't change when you are connected on a network with HSDPA coverage. I guess this is because HSDPA is just another type of 3G, so its not necessary, its just an indicator of a faster "3G" connection also known as "3.5G".
Hope this helps.
edit: if you get download speeds higher than 384kbps then you are connected on a network with HSDPA support, you can actually test it using a speedtest.net app on the market.

The issue is not the icon, withier you review the settings>about or use *#*#info#*#* command it clearly state what type of network you are connected to. I have also tested the speed and it does vary.

I have no idea how any ROMs would not 'support' HSDPA, as it would depend on what hardware you're using and your carrier's network.
If it makes you feel better CyanogenMod most definitely does as I'm using it right now and I'm on a UMTS network. I think you're confusing the network type with the protocols used to get you your data.

I am using CyanogenMod's latest rom and im getting some great speeds on the web 3mb- 5mb download speeds!

As I understand HSPDA is an upgrade to UMTS, if your hardware and network supports HSPDA you will be connected to it, otherwise you will use UMTS only. That’s why I think it has to do with the kernel used rather than the build itself. It did actually show that HSDPA is used in Kingxkx Rom.
and I did try CyanogenMod's but it does not switch to HSPDA.

rex05 said:
I am using CyanogenMod's latest rom and im getting some great speeds on the web 3mb- 5mb download speeds!
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what phone are you using; im using the Dream.

If you see the H symbol then you are getting 3g also some states dont get 3g yet or have some crappy service.

I can tell you for sure that they all support HSPA. My Touch Pro 2 has a "H" icon and clearly states HSPA (aka HSDPA/HSUPA) network. Right next to it is my G1... which says connected to UMTS w/ the 3G icon. Both test at around 700-1100 kbps download and 200-500kbps upload. Those are clearly HSPA speeds and not UMTS which tops around 400kbps download.
I have used a few ROMs that have the H icon and it makes no difference in speed. It's just for looks.

sino8r said:
I can tell you for sure that they all support HSPA. My Touch Pro 2 has a "H" icon and clearly states HSPA (aka HSDPA/HSUPA) network. Right next to it is my G1... which says connected to UMTS w/ the 3G icon. Both test at around 700-1100 kbps download and 200-500kbps upload. Those are clearly HSPA speeds and not UMTS which tops around 400kbps download.
I have used a few ROMs that have the H icon and it makes no difference in speed. It's just for looks.
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Some people prefer the 3g icon thouch i think the H looks better on hero roms

Maybe I took the wrong approach in discussing this, although the main use of HSPDA is Data, Telephony could use the protocols as well. I did a small test of not connecting to Data, by deleting the APN for it, or by un-checking the “connect to network” option. It still shows the phone is connected to HSPDA vs UMTS or GSM network!! That is in Kings Rom vs. Other Rom’s. Any Ideas?

Nasrat said:
As I understand HSPDA is an upgrade to UMTS, if your hardware and network supports HSPDA you will be connected to it, otherwise you will use UMTS only. That’s why I think it has to do with the kernel used rather than the build itself. It did actually show that HSDPA is used in Kingxkx Rom.
and I did try CyanogenMod's but it does not switch to HSPDA.
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Well I'd better sue Vodafone then for selling me a phone that supports HSDPA when it doesn't!
On a more serious note, HSPA is a packet access protocol used over a UMTS network for data, not a network type. Just because you're getting the '3G' icon doesn't mean you're not getting HSPA throughput.

Unimaginative said:
Well I'd better sue Vodafone then for selling me a phone that supports HSDPA when it doesn't!
On a more serious note, HSPA is a packet access protocol used over a UMTS network for data, not a network type. Just because you're getting the '3G' icon doesn't mean you're not getting HSPA throughput.
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Thanks for your effort so far. Forget the icons "3G" or "H" that’s not my issue. Without connecting to data either; why when I use kings Rom in the setting/about section it shows network type as HSPDA, but when I use any other Rom it shows UMTS. Giving that I didn’t move and in the same place.

Nasrat said:
Thanks for your effort so far. Forget the icons "3G" or "H" that’s not my issue. Without connecting to data either; why when I use kings Rom in the setting/about section it shows network type as HSPDA, but when I use any other Rom it shows UMTS. Giving that I didn’t move and in the same place.
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Ahh, now I get you. That is interesting though. I've only ever got UMTS as my network type but I definitely get HSPA rates so I took it as a given. Was there any correlation between using a certain type of ROM (like Hero vs. AOSP) where the difference appeared? . I remember trying a Hero ROM once and getting the 'H' icon instead of '3G' so maybe it's specific to those. Wish I'd checked Phone Status now...
It's possible kingklick made some form of modification to get the point across in his ROM, or possibly different APN settings he specifically uses. Kind of doubt it though.

Unimaginative said:
Ahh, now I get you. That is interesting though. I've only ever got UMTS as my network type but I definitely get HSPA rates so I took it as a given. Was there any correlation between using a certain type of ROM (like Hero vs. AOSP) where the difference appeared? . I remember trying a Hero ROM once and getting the 'H' icon instead of '3G' so maybe it's specific to those. Wish I'd checked Phone Status now...
It's possible kingklick made some form of modification to get the point across in his ROM, or possibly different APN settings he specifically uses. Kind of doubt it though.
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I agree I think it’s something that King did, or it relates to Rom’s based off a phone other than dream, I just flashed back a rooted stock 1.6 ADP DRC83 and it showed me UMTS, so it’s not the fault of the Rom developers I guess. I will try to test this further and I wish if king or other developers could further explain it.
Edit: found no correlation to what the Rom is based off; tried a magic, a hero, a dream based Rom’s and they all show UMTS, only Kings Rom show HSPDA, I will try to PM him tomorrow and find out if it’s only a naming thing or if he did something else.

I've had several diff roms show hsxpa in the status screen, it just matches the icon (eg replace the build.prop to get h versus 3g icons and you'll see the network type change in status too)
All the first hero builds did it as well as all Haykuro's orig Magic to Dream port

Also a stock Rogers Dream shows HSDPA. Here in the US they dumb things down for us by just calling it 3G or if you're real technical UMTS. However in Europe, Canada, and most of the rest of the developed world it is called what it truly is, HSDPA. When you see UMTS in there that is because it is a broader category. The same way EDGE is just an extension on 2G GSM (EDGE is 2.5G), HSDPA is an extension on the original UMTS 3G system (HSUPA & HSDPA are 3.5G)

Nasrat said:
Maybe I took the wrong approach in discussing this, although the main use of HSPDA is Data, Telephony could use the protocols as well. I did a small test of not connecting to Data, by deleting the APN for it, or by un-checking the “connect to network” option. It still shows the phone is connected to HSPDA vs UMTS or GSM network!! That is in Kings Rom vs. Other Rom’s. Any Ideas?
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Plain and simple it does not matter what the phone shows 3g or H if you are in an area with the HSDPA you will have the higher speed data. All HTC androids at least, do have the hardware for it. As far as voice over HSDPA that is not currently enabled yet until the HSDPA is fully up and functional. If you are not getting High speed 3g then you are most likely in an area that does not support it or the connections are maxed out and you are defaulting to the standard 3g network.

aad4321 said:
i would like to see a different logo, ex "3G' or "H" when i connect to tmobiles new HSDPA+ which has much faster speeds...is this possible?
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very, someone just has to program it

The difference is the Radio Interface Library. As far as I know the htc source libraries distinguish HSDPA.
http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/telephony.html
system/lib:
libhtc_ril.so
libreference-ril.so
libril.so
You could try pushing HTC sourced RIL libraries to these other builds but the source code isn't available as far as I know.

eBay error :/

So, just bought an HD7 from eBay (in the UK) and I violated my normal rule of only buying things with a 'real' picture.
My 'unlocked' HD7 has just shown up and is T-Mobile branded. I know this doesn't mean it's locked, but I was under the impression that T-Mo in the UK didn't ever carry this phone so it really looks to me like it's from the US.
Now, I need some advice as to how acceptable this is going to be. My main concern is 3G bands. Now, with my UK SIM I'm seeing '3G' in the top left corner, which surprised me a little as I thought the bands were totally different.
I'm getting around 2/3rds of the download speed I was getting on my HTC Sensation in a quick spot test (~1Mbps vs ~1.5Mbps).
Any thoughts?

If your not using a T-Mobile sim and you still have a connection then the phone is unlocked but still branded. This wont cause you any problems that I know off.
Speed tests are a bit odd to do on mobiles and very unreliable.
Not sure what you mean by 3G Bands. 3G is 3G it should when you have a better signal up to H (HSDPA) which is the 7.5Mb speed if i remember right. If it only showed G then i would be worried.

Well, I get the unlocked bit, certainly works from that POV.
I've worked out the difference is HSPA, like you say, so that's what's missing

karnka said:
Well, I get the unlocked bit, certainly works from that POV.
I've worked out the difference is HSPA, like you say, so that's what's missing
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HSDPA works on the same bands and standard 3G - in the UK is 2100MHz. If you're getting 3G but not HSDPA it's either a problem with the phones software not switching, or that the mast your phone has decided to use doesn't support HSDPA for whatever reason.
HSDPA is essentially a software update to the original 3G technology.

That's actually really helpful, thanks.
So, if I see _anything_ 3G related then all is good.

HSDPA should show as 3G+ icon. But OEMs can make the 3G+ icon show as just 3G, so you might be on HSDPA and even not know about it. Run some speed test when you have better signal strength

Indeed anything 3G related is all good.
HTC will normally replace 3G+ with a H, for obvious reasons. I don't know if TMO america have any weird definitions in place though.
Also, the maximum transfer speed of 3G is 386Kb/s, so your rating of 1Mb/s (equivalent to 1024Kb/s) suggests you're on HSDPA anyway.

[Q] How to get 3G/4G with unlocked Blaze on AT&T

I bought one of these phones, rooted it, unlocked it, and installed CM9. I love the phone and OS, but I cannot get the 3G/4G to work on AT&T. Any ideas?

Yeah. The data network is incompatible. Different frequency.
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Yeah I think all you can get is 2G (edge) on AT&T with the blaze.

I can say from first hand experience that the blaze works great with AT&T's 3g service. I bought this phone last week, unlocked it, and swapped in the sim from my old Aria and have been using it with CM10 ever since. Data speeds are around 3 to 6 Mb/s down and 1 Mb/s up, and voice and text messaging works fine.
For a more technical answer, AT&T uses the 850 mhz and 1900 mhz frequencies for UMTS (3g), and T-mobile uses 1700 mhz and 2100 mhz frequencies. The blaze supports UMTS on all of these frequencies so there are no technical roadblocks to using this phone with AT&T. http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Blaze-4G_id6824
As for your problem of not getting 3g working, I had similar issues when first switching the sim card (especially on the stock rom). Check that your APN matches the one your old phone was using. On the stock rom, the phone did not auto detect the correct APN and this caused the 3g to not work. CM10 detected the correct APN right away though. Also, try turning data off and on or even rebooting the phone once you've checked your network settings.

I sold my other phone and no longer have it. Please confirm your APN settings, and how do I change them?

The blaze has all the frequencies necessary for it to do HSPA (3G/4G) on AT&T's networks.
You'll likely want to change the APN. On CM9/10, go to Settings -> Wireless & Networks + More... -> Mobile Network Settings -> Access Point Names.

I was careful in selecting this specific phone because of its compatibility with AT&T HSPA bands. I have tried the suggested tweaks to the APN settings within both CM9 and CM10, but I still get no visual notification that the phone is operating in 3G or 4G mode. The areas in which I have used the phone consistently provided 3G and/or 4G coverage consistently with my prior BlackBerry 9860.
Any additional tips/tricks would certainly be appreciated. I know this phone is capable of so much more than it's providing me at this point.

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I was careful in selecting this specific phone because of its compatibility with AT&T HSPA bands. I have tried the suggested tweaks to the APN settings within both CM9 and CM10, but I still get no visual notification that the phone is operating in 3G or 4G mode. The areas in which I have used the phone consistently provided 3G and/or 4G coverage consistently with my prior BlackBerry 9860.
Any additional tips/tricks would certainly be appreciated. I know this phone is capable of so much more than it's providing me at this point.
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have you tried running a speed test to see if maybe it's just that the icon isn't coming up?

That is why it was called the "Merger Proof Phone"

[Q] Clean Rom Question [Network]

Hi Guys,
So I've been running Clean Rom for roughly 6 months now, still running version 5.1 (Android Version 4.0.4) on my HTC ONE XL.
My One XL is a Telstra branded phone and thus has the capability for 850MHz. I was running on the Vodafone network and therefore not using said band, however I have recently swapped over to Telstra (Was never with them in the first place).
Unfortunately I'm not seeing the gains in reception I was hoping for, and I am currently finding that when going to locations where there should be signal, albeit edge, crappy signal, I am receiving none. My question is, does Clean Rom disable the 850MHz frequency or does it still support it? Is there a way I can check whether I am accessing the 850MHz network, and if so, how? If it isn't am I able to turn on th 850MHz frequency?
Looking forward to getting this sorted. Cheers.

ROM shouldn't make much difference in band compatibility. Since your version supports 850 MHz for both 2G (EDGE) and 3G, it should work regardless of ROM, and you don't need to "turn it on". There are "secret codes" you can enter into the dialer that will tell you information about the bands, and also signal strength. Just use the XDA search function, and you should be able to find them.
You might see some slight improvement if you are not currently on a Jellybean radio, and flash one (if hboot 2.14 or higher, you will need to s-off). But I wouldn't bet on it making a huge difference.
What makes you think you should have (crappy) reception in the mentioned locations? From reception on another phone? Every phone is different (antenna design, etc.). Since you mentioned the reception at the location is already crappy, its probably more of a antenna issue than a ROM issue.

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ROM shouldn't make much difference in band compatibility. Since your version supports 850 MHz for both 2G (EDGE) and 3G, it should work regardless of ROM, and you don't need to "turn it on". There are "secret codes" you can enter into the dialer that will tell you information about the bands, and also signal strength. Just use the XDA search function, and you should be able to find them.
You might see some slight improvement if you are not currently on a Jellybean radio, and flash one (if hboot 2.14 or higher, you will need to s-off). But I wouldn't bet on it making a huge difference.
What makes you think you should have (crappy) reception in the mentioned locations? From reception on another phone? Every phone is different (antenna design, etc.). Since you mentioned the reception at the location is already crappy, its probably more of a antenna issue than a ROM issue.
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I'm not sure where you're located, Telstra is the largest Telco in Australia with the largest and best coverage. Vodafone unfortunately has a very bad reputation for reception. Swapping from Vodafone which does not use an 850MHz band to Telstra, which does, has netted me reverse effects. I am receiving worse reception, which should not be the case. If I go into fringe areas where edge is the best signal you receive, I will receive none, where as in town locations where more than the 850 band is used, I receive okay signal. Just seems like I'm not picking up the 850 band.

As I already mentioned, search for the "secret" dialer codes. There are codes that will tell you the cell tower signal, and I believe band, which sounds like what you need.

None of the dialer codes seem to allow me to see what particular frequency I'm using. Unless I'm just completely missing something? The only thing that seems to provide me with info on the radio only states Network Type and the DBM.