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So I flashed Romeos2 to my new Fuze. It works fine, and the 3G logo went away and was replaced with the H logo. However, now when I use data, it is painfully slow. I'm assuming that its using edge - anyone have this issue? Any solution? I have the PDA data plan.
is it possible tha ROMeOS is meant for euro and asian Touch pro's meaning it wont get the 3G working in the US
TBH you should post this in the ROMeOS forum
You should also make sure that your data settings are set up properly for AT&T. They may not be after the flash.
Dramacydle said:
You should also make sure that your data settings are set up properly for AT&T. They may not be after the flash.
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i just flashed the rom. I haven't really noticed any change in speed. but can you please explain how to check the setting, and what they should be? Thanks~
baboola said:
i just flashed the rom. I haven't really noticed any change in speed. but can you please explain how to check the setting, and what they should be? Thanks~
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do a search for htc connection setup. that will give you the proper network settings.
Isnt the H for HSDPA which is faster than 3G? Mines been doing the same thing.
i have the same problem. (no 3G or HSDPA only GPRS/EDGE)
tried 3 different roms and 3 different radios (with the .32 i didn't get any http connection at all, but icq etc. worked)
i have an german tp without branding ...
solved my problem ... 3G was deaktivated (default by the provider [o2])
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do a search for htc connection setup. that will give you the proper network settings.
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so I did a search and found multiple .cab files for it. How do I know which one is good for AT&T? Does anyone know if ROMeOS2 supports AT&T connection properly?
H stands for HSDPA, which is a technical term for 3G.
E stands for EDGE.
G stands for GRPS.
When I installed ROMeOS on my Fuze, there was a connection window that popped up that had country and carrier drop down boxes. Try going through the connection settings and see if you can find something like that.
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H stands for HSDPA, which is a technical term for 3G.
G stands for EDGE, which is what you'll see when you're not in a 3G area.
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HSDPA is the high-speed version of UMTS/WCDMA/3G.
G stands for GPRS.
E stands for EGPRS or EDGE meaning high-speed GPRS.
I was just logging in to correct myself! Thanks ;-)
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H stands for HSDPA, which is a technical term for 3G.
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This is incorrect. 3G is the blanket term used for high speed mobile data. If you have an ATT branded phone and it shows 3G then you are on a UMTS (universal mobile telecommunications system) network which is slower than HSDPA (which stands for high speed download packet access) but still faster thank EDGE or EGPRS or whatever you want to call it. However, when I tested RomeOS on my Fuze, I too got the H symbol instead of a 3G one. I am fairly certain that in order to make the Fuze less confusing, an ATT branded Fuze will show 3G for both UMTS and HSDPA. I am now back on a modified ATT ROM by NotaTreoFan and it shows 3G when I am in the same spot at my highschool's cafeteria as where RomeOS showed an H. Hope this clears things up (or possibly makes them more confusing).
Edit: Looks like we all wanted to correct it
Just thought I should bring this up. I have noticed that most of the builds does not support HSDPA which is a faster version of UMTS data networks, (check Wikipedia for more information).
I have first noticed it after flashing KingxKxRom, which is the only Rom - that I have tested - that supports HSDPA. Maxisma, Ccyrowski, Cyanogen, and Enomther Builds do not support it for some reason!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong; Hero, Magic, and the Dream do support it by hardware. So I wonder; where the Ball was dropped , or is it just that Kingklick is using a different base for his build, or is it a kernel matter.
This was bothering me for several days and after a lot of research I could not find the reason behind it. I’m not a Rom developer by all means; just thought developers could shed some light about it.
This has been discussed previously. HSDPA is actually supported in those ROMs, however the "3G" icon doesn't change when you are connected on a network with HSDPA coverage. I guess this is because HSDPA is just another type of 3G, so its not necessary, its just an indicator of a faster "3G" connection also known as "3.5G".
Hope this helps.
edit: if you get download speeds higher than 384kbps then you are connected on a network with HSDPA support, you can actually test it using a speedtest.net app on the market.
The issue is not the icon, withier you review the settings>about or use *#*#info#*#* command it clearly state what type of network you are connected to. I have also tested the speed and it does vary.
I have no idea how any ROMs would not 'support' HSDPA, as it would depend on what hardware you're using and your carrier's network.
If it makes you feel better CyanogenMod most definitely does as I'm using it right now and I'm on a UMTS network. I think you're confusing the network type with the protocols used to get you your data.
I am using CyanogenMod's latest rom and im getting some great speeds on the web 3mb- 5mb download speeds!
As I understand HSPDA is an upgrade to UMTS, if your hardware and network supports HSPDA you will be connected to it, otherwise you will use UMTS only. That’s why I think it has to do with the kernel used rather than the build itself. It did actually show that HSDPA is used in Kingxkx Rom.
and I did try CyanogenMod's but it does not switch to HSPDA.
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I am using CyanogenMod's latest rom and im getting some great speeds on the web 3mb- 5mb download speeds!
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what phone are you using; im using the Dream.
If you see the H symbol then you are getting 3g also some states dont get 3g yet or have some crappy service.
I can tell you for sure that they all support HSPA. My Touch Pro 2 has a "H" icon and clearly states HSPA (aka HSDPA/HSUPA) network. Right next to it is my G1... which says connected to UMTS w/ the 3G icon. Both test at around 700-1100 kbps download and 200-500kbps upload. Those are clearly HSPA speeds and not UMTS which tops around 400kbps download.
I have used a few ROMs that have the H icon and it makes no difference in speed. It's just for looks.
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I can tell you for sure that they all support HSPA. My Touch Pro 2 has a "H" icon and clearly states HSPA (aka HSDPA/HSUPA) network. Right next to it is my G1... which says connected to UMTS w/ the 3G icon. Both test at around 700-1100 kbps download and 200-500kbps upload. Those are clearly HSPA speeds and not UMTS which tops around 400kbps download.
I have used a few ROMs that have the H icon and it makes no difference in speed. It's just for looks.
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Some people prefer the 3g icon thouch i think the H looks better on hero roms
Maybe I took the wrong approach in discussing this, although the main use of HSPDA is Data, Telephony could use the protocols as well. I did a small test of not connecting to Data, by deleting the APN for it, or by un-checking the “connect to network” option. It still shows the phone is connected to HSPDA vs UMTS or GSM network!! That is in Kings Rom vs. Other Rom’s. Any Ideas?
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As I understand HSPDA is an upgrade to UMTS, if your hardware and network supports HSPDA you will be connected to it, otherwise you will use UMTS only. That’s why I think it has to do with the kernel used rather than the build itself. It did actually show that HSDPA is used in Kingxkx Rom.
and I did try CyanogenMod's but it does not switch to HSPDA.
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Well I'd better sue Vodafone then for selling me a phone that supports HSDPA when it doesn't!
On a more serious note, HSPA is a packet access protocol used over a UMTS network for data, not a network type. Just because you're getting the '3G' icon doesn't mean you're not getting HSPA throughput.
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Well I'd better sue Vodafone then for selling me a phone that supports HSDPA when it doesn't!
On a more serious note, HSPA is a packet access protocol used over a UMTS network for data, not a network type. Just because you're getting the '3G' icon doesn't mean you're not getting HSPA throughput.
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Thanks for your effort so far. Forget the icons "3G" or "H" that’s not my issue. Without connecting to data either; why when I use kings Rom in the setting/about section it shows network type as HSPDA, but when I use any other Rom it shows UMTS. Giving that I didn’t move and in the same place.
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Thanks for your effort so far. Forget the icons "3G" or "H" that’s not my issue. Without connecting to data either; why when I use kings Rom in the setting/about section it shows network type as HSPDA, but when I use any other Rom it shows UMTS. Giving that I didn’t move and in the same place.
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Ahh, now I get you. That is interesting though. I've only ever got UMTS as my network type but I definitely get HSPA rates so I took it as a given. Was there any correlation between using a certain type of ROM (like Hero vs. AOSP) where the difference appeared? . I remember trying a Hero ROM once and getting the 'H' icon instead of '3G' so maybe it's specific to those. Wish I'd checked Phone Status now...
It's possible kingklick made some form of modification to get the point across in his ROM, or possibly different APN settings he specifically uses. Kind of doubt it though.
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Ahh, now I get you. That is interesting though. I've only ever got UMTS as my network type but I definitely get HSPA rates so I took it as a given. Was there any correlation between using a certain type of ROM (like Hero vs. AOSP) where the difference appeared? . I remember trying a Hero ROM once and getting the 'H' icon instead of '3G' so maybe it's specific to those. Wish I'd checked Phone Status now...
It's possible kingklick made some form of modification to get the point across in his ROM, or possibly different APN settings he specifically uses. Kind of doubt it though.
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I agree I think it’s something that King did, or it relates to Rom’s based off a phone other than dream, I just flashed back a rooted stock 1.6 ADP DRC83 and it showed me UMTS, so it’s not the fault of the Rom developers I guess. I will try to test this further and I wish if king or other developers could further explain it.
Edit: found no correlation to what the Rom is based off; tried a magic, a hero, a dream based Rom’s and they all show UMTS, only Kings Rom show HSPDA, I will try to PM him tomorrow and find out if it’s only a naming thing or if he did something else.
I've had several diff roms show hsxpa in the status screen, it just matches the icon (eg replace the build.prop to get h versus 3g icons and you'll see the network type change in status too)
All the first hero builds did it as well as all Haykuro's orig Magic to Dream port
Also a stock Rogers Dream shows HSDPA. Here in the US they dumb things down for us by just calling it 3G or if you're real technical UMTS. However in Europe, Canada, and most of the rest of the developed world it is called what it truly is, HSDPA. When you see UMTS in there that is because it is a broader category. The same way EDGE is just an extension on 2G GSM (EDGE is 2.5G), HSDPA is an extension on the original UMTS 3G system (HSUPA & HSDPA are 3.5G)
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Maybe I took the wrong approach in discussing this, although the main use of HSPDA is Data, Telephony could use the protocols as well. I did a small test of not connecting to Data, by deleting the APN for it, or by un-checking the “connect to network” option. It still shows the phone is connected to HSPDA vs UMTS or GSM network!! That is in Kings Rom vs. Other Rom’s. Any Ideas?
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Plain and simple it does not matter what the phone shows 3g or H if you are in an area with the HSDPA you will have the higher speed data. All HTC androids at least, do have the hardware for it. As far as voice over HSDPA that is not currently enabled yet until the HSDPA is fully up and functional. If you are not getting High speed 3g then you are most likely in an area that does not support it or the connections are maxed out and you are defaulting to the standard 3g network.
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i would like to see a different logo, ex "3G' or "H" when i connect to tmobiles new HSDPA+ which has much faster speeds...is this possible?
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very, someone just has to program it
The difference is the Radio Interface Library. As far as I know the htc source libraries distinguish HSDPA.
http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/telephony.html
system/lib:
libhtc_ril.so
libreference-ril.so
libril.so
You could try pushing HTC sourced RIL libraries to these other builds but the source code isn't available as far as I know.
I've seen screenshots of Captivates homescreens from you peoples showing an H instead of just 3G. May I ask how you enabled this? Thanks in advance!
John J.
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HSDPA and 3G are the same thing (i'm pretty sure)
or more technically speaking, HSDPA is one half of 3G, with HSUPA being the other half (HSDPA=download, HSUPA=upload)...
can anybody correct me if i'm wrong?
You're correct. AT&T requires all its 3G phone to display 3G instead of any other icon. Often times, ppl find ways to replace it with the native 3G icon, H, which is widely used by rest of the world. But that makes no difference in actual connection speed.
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HSDPA and 3G are the same thing (i'm pretty sure)
or more technically speaking, HSDPA is one half of 3G, with HSUPA being the other half (HSDPA=download, HSUPA=upload)...
can anybody correct me if i'm wrong?
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this is correct. when referring to both of them together they are commonly called just HSPA.
Lucke said:
HSDPA and 3G are the same thing (i'm pretty sure)
or more technically speaking, HSDPA is one half of 3G, with HSUPA being the other half (HSDPA=download, HSUPA=upload)...
can anybody correct me if i'm wrong?
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"3G" is the common short abbreviation for UMTS. HSDPA is an update to UMTS that gives faster download speeds (a version is widely deployed on AT&T). HSUPA is a protocol upgrade that enables faster upload speeds (installing HSUPA equipment borked upload speed on AT&T recently). Combining the two is called HSPA. HSPA+ is an update to HSPA that's even faster. T-Mobile is planning on rolling this out. LTE (AT&T's 4G pathway) is totally unrelated to HSPA.
Thanks for your replies! I appreciate the schooling
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Drachen said:
"3G" is the common short abbreviation for UMTS. HSDPA is an update to UMTS that gives faster download speeds (a version is widely deployed on AT&T). HSUPA is a protocol upgrade that enables faster upload speeds (installing HSUPA equipment borked upload speed on AT&T recently). Combining the two is called HSPA. HSPA+ is an update to HSPA that's even faster. T-Mobile is planning on rolling this out. LTE (AT&T's 4G pathway) is totally unrelated to HSPA.
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This is the correct post.
Also, I'm certain AT&T doesn't disallow the H icon because I've seen screenshots of the Captivate with that icon.
However, at the same time, I have a -51 dBm signal and no HSUPA which I know I should be able to get here because my iPhone 4 got it. Something is going on, but I'm not sure what yet.
Edit: Nevermind, it sounds like I'm wrong. In the manual there's no mention of an H icon. There's also no mention of HSUPA. I think we just got screwed by AT&T. What a surprise.
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This is the correct post.
Also, I'm certain AT&T doesn't disallow the H icon because I've seen screenshots of the Captivate with that icon.
However, at the same time, I have a -51 dBm signal and no HSUPA which I know I should be able to get here because my iPhone 4 got it. Something is going on, but I'm not sure what yet.
Edit: Nevermind, it sounds like I'm wrong. In the manual there's no mention of an H icon. There's also no mention of HSUPA. I think we just got screwed by AT&T. What a surprise.
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I'm pretty sure AT&T does disallow use of the H icon. They did on my Fuze. The reason is that there's ALWAYS confusion when people don't have a good operational knowledge of the protocol names. There's always someone on the EnergyROM or Cyanogenmod threads asking why "only" H comes up when they expect 3G.
Anyway, I have an AT&T band Nexus One as well as a Captivate. The N1 is definitely HSUPA compatible. I just tried speedtest.net a few times and got an average of 2.5M down and 175k up (5 runs no run over 256k) in midtown Manhattan. On my Captivate I'm getting ~4M down and 200k up. Upload speeds are about the same, probably limited by AT&T's current (under) capability.
I don't have access to an iPhone 4, but if you do, could you do a few runs on the speedtest.net app on both devices from the same location and let us know the results? At this point, I'm pretty convinced it's the HSUPA equipment screw-up at AT&T not lack of HSUPA on the phone.
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I'm pretty sure AT&T does disallow use of the H icon. They did on my Fuze. The reason is that there's ALWAYS confusion when people don't have a good operational knowledge of the protocol names. There's always someone on the EnergyROM or Cyanogenmod threads asking why "only" H comes up when they expect 3G.
Anyway, I have an AT&T band Nexus One as well as a Captivate. The N1 is definitely HSUPA compatible. I just tried speedtest.net a few times and got an average of 2.5M down and 175k up (5 runs no run over 256k) in midtown Manhattan. On my Captivate I'm getting ~4M down and 200k up. Upload speeds are about the same, probably limited by AT&T's current (under) capability.
I don't have access to an iPhone 4, but if you do, could you do a few runs on the speedtest.net app on both devices from the same location and let us know the results? At this point, I'm pretty convinced it's the HSUPA equipment screw-up at AT&T not lack of HSUPA on the phone.
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That's what I was saying. My iPhone 4 got HSUPA here with no issue at all. When everyone else's HSUPA had issues, I still had no problem at all. So unless HSUPA decided to die in my area the day I returned my iPhone 4, I don't think the Captivate has it.
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That's what I was saying. My iPhone 4 got HSUPA here with no issue at all. When everyone else's HSUPA had issues, I still had no problem at all. So unless HSUPA decided to die in my area the day I returned my iPhone 4, I don't think the Captivate has it.
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When did you return it? The iPhone 4 was released on June 24 and the AT&T HSUPA issue cropped up around July 6th or so. That's when my Nexus went from over ~1M up to ~200k up. If you gave it up after July 6, what sort of upload speeds were you getting? What sort of speeds are you getting now on the Captivate? Not trying to grill you or anything, I'm genuinely curious.
I've looked all over the internet and cant find any place that confirms or denies that this phone is HSUPA compatible.
I did a speed test this morning on my way to work and got 2457 down and only 170 up. Thats a pathetic upload speed. I'm guessing from that speed that the phone is not HSUPA. But AT&T has been having problems with their HSUPA software since the iphone4 launched and maybe my low upload speeds are because of that?
With that low of an upload speed it'll take forever to upload photos in MMS or to facebook and would take a lifetime to upload a 720p video to youtube.
i can tell you that the upload is pathetic compared to my iPhone 4 in the same apartment. Download speeds are comparable, but upload seems to cap out around 150k.
On my HSUPA iphone the uploads cap around 1.1mb
Cellular:Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Cellular_Data;Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
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I think that info is also on the back of the box. Not sure as I'm not at home right now.
did u find anything out?
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did u find anything out?
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It doesn't have HSUPA. Or if it does, it's not turned on. Let us only hope that the radio supports it and an update will turn it on.
From your phone type *#0228# and it should show that your connected to hsdpa or umts.
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I think that info is also on the back of the box. Not sure as I'm not at home right now.
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No, on the box it just says quad band GSM and lists the bands and then it says tri band umts and lists the bands. It doesnt mention hsdpa or hsupa on the box.
Plus, with AT&T's network crapping out on hsupa right after the iphone4 launched who knows what the problem is, possibly the phone has it but the network is broken.
Really, with as much as I hate AT&T, I'm thinking they are crippling upload speeds in congested areas because certain parts of the country are still getting hsupa speeds on their iphone4's.
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From your phone type *#0228# and it should show that your connected to hsdpa or umts.
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Any idea what the various fields are?
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I'm a noob to Android but my screen reads Network HSDPA
RSSI: SIgnalStrength 16-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 gsm
The first number changer between 16 and 8 others numbers stay 1
FWIW First number went to as low as 4
Speed test was 3057 down 394 upload
HSUPA is currently tuned off in many (most?) AT&T markets right now until they address a so called software issue.
Nobody ready about this?
I've read of someone on their captivate getting over 1mbit, and that is obviously HSUPA, but I don't think he was in an area where the lucent equipment is in use that is causing the AT&T upload issue.
Ooops, I guess someone pointed this out...
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Plus, with AT&T's network crapping out on hsupa right after the iphone4 launched who knows what the problem is, possibly the phone has it but the network is broken.
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Samsung US website does not show this on a feature Captivate or any other Galaxy phone
I haven't seen anyone who has gotten HSUPA speeds on a Captivate. On a Galaxy S, yes, but not a Captivate. HSUPA works fine in my market, and always worked fine on my iPhone, but never on my Captivate. It just doesn't look like it has HSUPA, or at least it's not enabled. Hopefully it's something that can be turned on later, but I wouldn't be surprised if it never is. If this was an AT&T decision, then I'm very disappointed, but not entirely surprised.
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I just installed Atinm's Kernel w/HSUPA on my captivate and here are my before and after speeds.
1402 down 247 up
2142 down 1662 up
I was already running cognition 2.1.5 with the voodoo only kernel.
In a letter responding to a complaint I filed with FCC the AT&T representative stated
"In regards to the issues with HSUPA speed; HSUPA is disabled from all AT&T handsets and is currently only available on our aircards. We also do not market the Samsung Captivate as a HSUPA capable device.
I am sorry for any inconvenience this issue may have caused you."
She didn't deny that it, or their network were capable because then she would have to admit to the problems they are having with bandwidth volumes that servers can't keep up with. A similar problem that U-Verse is developing/creating for their formerly content DSL subsribers in my area.
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In a letter responding to a complaint I filed with FCC the AT&T representative stated
"In regards to the issues with HSUPA speed; HSUPA is disabled from all AT&T handsets and is currently only available on our aircards. We also do not market the Samsung Captivate as a HSUPA capable device.
I am sorry for any inconvenience this issue may have caused you."
She didn't deny that it, or their network were capable because then she would have to admit to the problems they are having with bandwidth volumes that servers can't keep up with. A similar problem that U-Verse is developing/creating for their formerly content DSL subsribers in my area.
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All handsets but the iPhone 4. At least its a semi-honest answer.
HSUPA works on 2.1 (with HSUPA hacked modem file).
i'm not sure i should downgrade back to 2.1 , i really miss the HSUPA on froyo 2.2
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All handsets but the iPhone 4. At least its a semi-honest answer.
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HSUPA on iPhone 3GS works too.
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HSUPA works on 2.1 (with HSUPA hacked modem file).
i'm not sure i should downgrade back to 2.1 , i really miss the HSUPA on froyo 2.2
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Any info on where to obtain the cracked modem file or how to install it?
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Any info on where to obtain the cracked modem file or how to install it?
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Install Cognition Beta 8.
Or an i9000 ROM.
Both are in the Android Development forum.
This is old news.
Several who complained to FCC about this back in August got very similar responses from AT&T.
I received a case regarding your concerns with the data connection speed for your Samsung Captivate.
In regards to the issues with HSUPA speed; HSUPA is disabled from all AT&T handsets and is currently only available on our aircards. We also do not market the Samsung Captivate as a HSUPA capable device.
Did they enable it only in the iPhone to offset disappointed followers?
Several custom ROM available here to you enable this feature with great results.
1) How can I tell if my phone is running on a 3.5G network? I am on T-Mobile in Virginia Beach, VA.
2) I know there are different bands out there for different carriers, so can I change to a band that can get me better 3G coverage? I have slooooow 3G coverage where I am right now.
Any help in the right direction would be awesome, and don't be afraid to dumb it down for me. I am getting pretty savvy on all this phone stuff, but bands still elude me.
Hi
until recently, 3.5G was known as HSPA7.2. If your device shows "H", then your device can use the HSPA (real) speeds.
If so, and your browsing is slow, then this is mainly due to saturation and low signal strength, but exists more factors.
To use another bands, you must change the service provider (and change your device). No manually way to do it.
Best regards
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Hi
until recently, 3.5G was known as HSPA7.2. If your device shows "H", then your device can use the HSPA (real) speeds.
If so, and your browsing is slow, then this is mainly due to saturation and low signal strength, but exists more factors.
To use another bands, you must change the service provider (and change your device). No manually way to do it.
Best regards
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I recently visited Jacksonville Florida where my CM7 Rom showed me I was running on 4g. When I came back home to Virginia Beach it is showing me a H. Stock rom shows me as 4g but CM7 still shows me as H (HSPA). Is this truly telling me that I am operating on 3.5G network here in Virginia Beach?