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[Q] Defeat Throttling?

So i'm about 2.5 weeks into my plan and i'm already throttled by Tmobile. Not really cool going from 8mbps to .06mbps. Does anyone know if there is a way to bypass the throttling or able to point me in the right direction? Been searching for a bit here any found no traces of anything that may work on my Galaxy S 4G. I did find ways to do it on Sprint and Verizon though, but that does not help me much :/

Call up their sales department and put down 2x the ammount of $$ you pay for your home ISP Service to get a 10g limit :|

How did you use up 10gb in 2 weeks
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I was almost throttled, im at 4.3gb with like 4days left on my contract. I was tethering my Xoom alot at work. I wish I never switched to a family plan. For the longest time I kept my 300min unlimited text/data because I had true unlimited data. When I moved in my new apartment it took Att three weeks to hook up my uverse. I tethered my phone the whole time and used 17gb of data and was never throttled.

churro7 said:
How did you use up 10gb in 2 weeks
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I used over 30 gigs in 3 weeks when i first got my HD2

Not hard to hit 5 GB/month being reasonable.
For example, streaming 128 kbps audio is ~56 MB/hr payload, or ~62 MB/hr including TCP overhead, downstream only. Two hours a day, 30 days a month, and you're already at 3.6 GB/month. Make that three hours, and you're over.

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How did you use up 10gb in 2 weeks
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I been tethering and streaming netflix movies, reading(streaming) manga through Mango and Mangawhat applications, Pandora every so often, downloading movies from media4amp.com, downloading and testing out all kinds of applications then deleting them and trying out more, ect ect. I just found it really really easy to hit the cap that is all. I could probably have reached 50 or so if I wasn't stopped lol...

Elazul2k said:
I been tethering and streaming netflix movies, reading(streaming) manga through Mango and Mangawhat applications, Pandora every so often, downloading movies from media4amp.com, downloading and testing out all kinds of applications then deleting them and trying out more, ect ect. I just found it really really easy to hit the cap that is all. I could probably have reached 50 or so if I wasn't stopped lol...
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Hey Whats your solution to Netflix... I find this the only thing I miss on my old iPhone. I will stay a convert but I really miss it. THe only solution i found requires my home computer and 80 bucks!?

Torn: Tbolt / Inc2. Details within! 4G grandfathering?

So I'm looking at stealing my upgrade from my 2nd line ("house" phone), and I'm thinking of one of these two for it.
NOW then, I'm a root'er (obviously), currently loving MIUI on my Incredible but realizing that this may be a ways off for BOTH devices. That's fine. However, it's the 4G thing that has me puzzled.
I was told by a guy at Ye Old Best Buy that if I snag a Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking it might be, then I might just wait until next year to upgrade. If not, well, then I'll have to pull the trigger, right?
Thanks!

First, why are you listening to idiots at bestbuy? They're even bigger morons than the typical (read typical, not atypical) sales lackey at verizon stores. Personally, I rather not deal with either of them and just buy it online with verizon's website (unless waiting an extra 24 hours means that much to you).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097276&highlight=grandfather
Also, there's plenty of discussions about LTE (4g) on the forum by people asking if it's worth it and were full of answers you would probably find useful, i think (use the search and search by post content, not title, it's pretty useless).

Eh, I was there and felt like chatting. The guy I was talking to was actually really astute. Was asking if I planned to root, what roms I liked, told me something about the thunderbolt's bootloader I didn't understand. I'll check out the links, thanks!
- Dinc + MIUI = bliss

SomeGuyDude said:
Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking
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Grandfathering is the way its always worked, along with once your one a specific plan as long you don't change it then you keep it forever (whatever that might be). I have the TB I find I turn my 4G off and just run on 3G all the time. I do use it for downloading stuff but not all the time, battery time about 5-6 hours. Rooted with other froyo roms at the 12 hour mark I have about 70% left with light to moderate use. With Gingerbread roms a bit less than that.
I guess (and its really anyone's until they spill the beans) the unlimited for what that is worth is going away and you will pay more for less data usage. I went with 4G and hope they keep the grandfathering for those of us that are already on it as I do use 4G at times and can use up to 10 gigs, but its rare. I like knowing its there if want to use it.
I would think 4G and more is where its all going at this point, certainly not the other way.

Forgot to mention the Inc2 has a locked bootloader and all signed radios that as far as I know, has not been unlocked through third party means yet, so that means no custom anything for now. HTC says they will unlock phones, but who knows how long that will take and if they mean only new phones or that includes older ones.
I would go look at the ghost town that is the Inc2 development forums on xda though to see if anything has changed.

why dont you just try it out and return it if its not for you. 14days ftw

Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.

SomeGuyDude said:
Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.
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I just had to send my Thunderbolt in for about two weeks and in that time I was using my DInc. while the DInc is still nice phone, boy did I miss the speed of 4G and my Thunderbolt.

I have a TB & I admit I'm a little biased, but I'm in a 4G area & I'll never go back to a 3G-only phone. My gf has a iPhone 4 & browsing the 'net is noticeably slower on it. 4G is like having a constant wifi connection & the speed is addicting. The TBs battery isn't its best selling point, but there are ways to make it last longer, esp if you flash a custom kernel. I'm not that familiar with the Inc2, so I can't say what its pros/cons are. It has a locked bootloader, so that could be an issue down the road
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The Inc 2 is not an upgrade from the original. If I'm not mistaken the dinc2 and tbolt have the same processor and RAM, but it comes down to the screen size, data capability, unlocked bootloader, etc. Coming from the original incredible as well, I would have sorely missed the rate of development with anything on Verizon but the bolt. This community is strong.
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From what I've heard, this is basically the new EVO, so once it gets all cracked open our community is gonna be roughly as deep and active as that, yes? If so, I'm sole 100%.

T-Mo Data throttling

Let's face it, 5 gb of data is nowhere near enough for one month! I've seen posts about how to rid your phone of being throttled. Before I go through with this, has anyone done this yet? Looking to see if t-mobile caught on to anyone and said anything. Thanks!
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Just use WI-FI when you can. A lot of places offer it free.
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At home I always do, but days at work and weekends kill me during the month. There's no open wifi near my work... In NYC... Go figure
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Its done from tmobile's servers. No way around it ): unless you can sneak into the servers at tmobile's headquarters on a stealth mission and hack their mainframe by holding "x".

Dayum I thought I consider myself a heavy data user and I generally use a tad over 2gb/month lol.
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there is a way to do it but from what I read it works for some people and not for others. So I think it is a crapshoot. I would be really careful. I agree that 5 gigs is not enough. I am almost over my limit with 10 days to go and that is with using wifi alot of the time. I was thinking of doing that fix also but I dont kmow. Also I dont think anyone had problems with tmo.

I wouldn't say that hack works for anyone. I got the text a few months ago about halfway through my cycle, but my speeds were never throttled although I was told they were. I would say that is what happened with those it "worked" got.

Yeah cI just dont like the idea of messin with the system that much and I mean my phone's system. I dont mind doing root and doing little things but my phone has run like a champ since day one and I got it about two weeks after relese date. I waited for the GB update to come and my phone still ran fine after that although I did not see much improvement. I was not impressed with the GB update so I rooted the phone. I am afraid that if I keep messin with it I am going to ruin a good thing. I should be happy with what I got. I am running xboarders tweeked ota and it runs like a champ. If I screw around and brick my phone I have no one to blame but myself.

I just got off the phone with customer service and it turns out that you. An get a 10 gig data cap plan. I think it was $55 it brought my monthly bill to 95+ tax
Its not that bad now I also have unlimited texting AZ well. This month I used 4.6 gigs so far and 60 minutes and 3 texts and I have 5 days left I. My bill. Cycle
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princeasi said:
Dayum I thought I consider myself a heavy data user and I generally use a tad over 2gb/month lol.
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2 gigs is enough for anyone who doesn't stream a lot of video. When I see these people who use 5 gigs in 10 days I know they have to just be living on netflix.
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Im a power user i stay on wifi when i can or use 2g if its just a basic app like xda or pulse been 3 weeks only used 1.45gb
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I dont do alot of video althought I do do some dut I am constsantly on Sirius-xm and fm radio. Also I use weather and news widges hat take up alot. I also use google music which You can make music available off line but that doesnt always work it still uses alot. I do a fair amout of going on youtube but in no way it is close to most of my data
Charlie

Thanks for all the input. Like I said I have no available wifi at work and also tethering to my netbook frequently during the month too. I like I'm just going to run into t mo and see about either upgrading data plan or adding a tether plan. I'll post a result. Also for those rooted, try out the miui rom. Much different from when I flashed it months ago. Fast, smooth, stable, and just well... Works! Never been so happy
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hockeyman18 said:
Let's face it, 5 gb of data is nowhere near enough for one month! I've seen posts about how to rid your phone of being throttled. Before I go through with this, has anyone done this yet? Looking to see if t-mobile caught on to anyone and said anything. Thanks!
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I totally agree! I originally thought I was grandfathered in to the old unlimited data plan, but I got throttled about 15 days into last month! Essentially makes the phone completely useless for anything but calling or texting which oddly enough is not what I use this phone for the most. I got a google music beta account last month, uploaded my entire collection and have been streaming over my phone at work. Apparently google does not compress the audio stream and it ate up my bandwidth quite fast!
The thing that gets me about this is that I have been paying for the most expensive plan they have, I'm now at almost 100 a month and I still have only 500 minutes, and am throttled at 5gb. It just seems like I get less and less as the price goes up. Once more they told me that the 10gb limit plan was not compatible with my plan??!?! WTF??? Granted, I would rather be throttled instead of charged for the overage, but I still feel like I am being completely jipped by this whole thing. They also told me when I was on the phone complaining, that they were now going to start charging me for tethering as well, REALLY?!?!?! I thought that was rather amusing, and would have laughed at the rep, if I wasn't so pissed off about rest of the conversation I was having with them.
Ironically they offer all kinds of t-mobile sponsored apps for HD video streaming and the like, which a heavy user might get maybe 1/3 of the month of use out of. I just really don't understand the direction that carriers are taking these days. Its definitely not in the best interest of the consumers.

It's so easy to get around tethering charges that they might as well not even exist. Even a friend of mine who's so tech-illiterate he doesn't even update his market apps figured out a way.
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ZenDragon80 said:
I totally agree! I originally thought I was grandfathered in to the old unlimited data plan, but I got throttled about 15 days into last month! Essentially makes the phone completely useless for anything but calling or texting which oddly enough is not what I use this phone for the most. I got a google music beta account last month, uploaded my entire collection and have been streaming over my phone at work. Apparently google does not compress the audio stream and it ate up my bandwidth quite fast!
The thing that gets me about this is that I have been paying for the most expensive plan they have, I'm now at almost 100 a month and I still have only 500 minutes, and am throttled at 5gb. It just seems like I get less and less as the price goes up. Once more they told me that the 10gb limit plan was not compatible with my plan??!?! WTF??? Granted, I would rather be throttled instead of charged for the overage, but I still feel like I am being completely jipped by this whole thing. They also told me when I was on the phone complaining, that they were now going to start charging me for tethering as well, REALLY?!?!?! I thought that was rather amusing, and would have laughed at the rep, if I wasn't so pissed off about rest of the conversation I was having with them.
Ironically they offer all kinds of t-mobile sponsored apps for HD video streaming and the like, which a heavy user might get maybe 1/3 of the month of use out of. I just really don't understand the direction that carriers are taking these days. Its definitely not in the best interest of the consumers.
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You and I are in the same boat. I use google music everyday including both ways on an atlantic city trip last weekend.. Ate my data alive. I'm also in a grand fathered plan which I may which out of. Heading into tmo after work today. I feel I'd have better luck in person than over the phone. Plus if they give me a hard time I'll root all their androids, install custom roms, and have customers go back to the store because it wasn't like the phone they saw
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throttling
Just my 2 cents, being well versed in corporate routing and switching, throttling is handle at a hard ware level either on the router by your ip address or on the swtich by your mac address. Doing anthing locally to your phone isnt going to bypass throttling in anyway. Youre taking a gamble trying to hack you phone to bypass this, if anything the only thing that your seeing is a placebo effect.

okay a couple of things first to those using the google musice beta you can make your whole music collection available offline so you dont use your data just look aty the settings and if you can do it over wifi so you dont use any bandwith.
Second to the people who want to change your plan and add gigs to data you have to change your plan to the new value plan which is cheaper by about 10 bucks then you can add a unlimited data with a 10 gig high speed cap. I did it yesterday over the phone and I usually have no luck with customer service but I actually got one who spoke perfect english and understood exactly what I wanted to do. I almost fell over of a heart attack it was great. They transfered the rep that I usually dealt with in my local store. The new ass that replaced him was tring to sell me the LG slate which is a sweet tablet but not what I wanted. He had the balls to tell me that there was a $300 migration fee to change to the new value plan from my at the time current even more 500 plan I was on. When I told the customer service rep that she started laughing and said he was full of **** and not in those words. Cant wait to go back to that store and give him a pice of my mind. but anyway sorry to go off on your post I hope this helps ytou guys with the G music problems.
Charlie

Mister Hat said:
Its done from tmobile's servers. No way around it ): unless you can sneak into the servers at tmobile's headquarters on a stealth mission and hack their mainframe by holding "x".
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i'm sorry, you say that and all i can think of is Freddy Wong's vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_wS497CIQ

A small review of the Infuse 4G

Hey guys! I got my Samsung Infuse 4g today (finally!) And I must say, I'm quite impressed. I previously owned a Captivate until I bricked it flashing incorrect bootloaders, and I must say this phone is a HUGE improvement. I just wanted to put my 2 cents out there for those of you who are "on the fence" about buying this phone.
-It is NOT "too big" for most hands. I find it very easy to type with one hand, even.
-The battery life is great! Even on stock! I mean, it's no Tilt2 but so far I've been using it for about 12 hours and still have 76% battery life left!
-The GPS works great (thank god... I'm looking at you, Cappy. v_v) I haven't had a chance to test it while driving yet, but meh, I have a TomTom. I would only ever use it if I absolutely had to.
- It doesn't have that "dialer lag" my old Cappy suffered. Not sure if this was phone specific but it used to take FOREVER to pull up the dialer.
- 4G is fast, but not really fast. It's almost as if AT&T was like, "welcome to AT&T, where you can have it your way but don't get crazy!" (reference ;p) It is fast though. I got 3542kbps down and 1290 kbps up in Toledo Ohio with 4 bars.
-Lastly, I would like to say that my only gripe so far has been that I had to call AT&T because my data wasn't showing up, and they said I technically "can't" get my unlimited data grandfathered, but an "engineer" would contact me within a week about still having unlimited, so I'm stuck on 2GB, but I forced the tech guy to write down that I DID HAVE unlimited smartphone internet for 3 years. I got his name and everything. This is an AT&T specific issue, however. The phone itself is fantastic.
Hopefully this review will help some of you out there leave your iPhone 4's for the true phone with bigger GB's: the Samsung Infuse 4G! I know I didn't cover too many bases here, but it was, in fact, a small review. Keep that in mind.

I had the same exact issue when I came over to the infuse (1 week ago). Called up ATT and the guy told me the same thing, I asked for a manager and he said, he was one, and that it couldn't be done because it's no longer available, after about 15 minutes of me telling him what a jaggoff he was, I hung up on him, called up 611 and they put it back on the unlimited plan (so I thought), when I checked online it said 2GB plan. I called again and they did it, and I confirmed on the web account that I still have the unlimited. So I guess the moral of the story is don't take no for an answer... also if they told you to wait a week, they are probably hoping you'll forget about it and won't call back. Call today and demand it changed to the unlimited plan, otherwise make it known to the user that if they upgrade they will lose the plan.... they will change it.

I did same thing. Seconded. Bug the **** out of them and tell them you are gonna change carriers.....they'll put unlimited back on.
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Thank you guys so much. I will be sure to give them a piece of my mind tomorrow. It really frustrates me that they're doing this. I for one love AT&T and feel that they have been nothing but good to me, but this is ridiculous.

lol @ 12 hours w/ 70 some % left... People must not even use the damn thing.
Guess I'm in my own category of heavy users I guess. Few hours of Google+'ing, three hours of Zynga Poker or Holdem Live = dead phone.

Haha that was with juicedefender ultimate... and my data hasn't been working all day. I've been on Wifi and that was just to install my "main apps" and get my google account situated and stuff. I guess I should have said that before putting it in my review :X

Just a follow up, AT&T did in fact switch me from 2GB to unlimited this morning, so in less than 24 hours my trouble ticket was resolved. AT&T kept a customer... for now

Thanks for the review. I will be receiving mine in the mail tomorrow and will be a royal pain in the butt if they take me off the unlimited plan. I jumped on that bandwidthwagon as soon as they released it and ill be damned if they are going to take me off tomorrow when I activate it. They will loose a customer as quick as they say no. I am looking forward to trying all the different ROMs already developed. Coming from a craptivate, im already foaming at the mouth for CM7 to release something stable.
Thanks again for the review, you calmed my nerves about it being too much like a crappy.

Be sure to check the price after the GS2 comes out, you might be able to get a refund for the difference if the price drops.
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I thought the infuse didn't have real 4g. At least that's what I've read somewhere
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I thought the infuse didn't have real 4g. At least that's what I've read somewhere
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4G is just a ridiculously overloaded term. What you probably mean by "real" 4G is LTE, which Verizon currently has in some areas and AT&T will begin to roll out "soon." What AT&T is currently calling 4G is usually referred to as HSPA+ or HSDPA, and it is essentially a retrofitted 3G with about thrice as much optimum throughput. Results obviously vary by area, network congestion, signal quality, and myriad other issues.

Umm, yeah actually. That's the details I was referring to. So then it is true, that the Samsung Infuse 4G only has the HSPA+ Side of 4G?

Muse the Infuse
Got my $19 upgrade Infuse last night, installed Infused ROM and I must say I really like this phone. GPS was a little slow but working well now and I just installed screen protector, no meathooks have been on this fabulous screen! Any more complaints about this great machine and I am gonna start jerking knots!

Hmmm, that's unfortunate that AT&T gave you grief.
I had a Cappy that I upgraded from LG Incite that's an upgrade from HTC 8525. I had unlimited PDA data and they grandfathered it all the way to when I upgraded to the Infuse through my wife's phone and she got the Cappy and 2GB data. The 611 agent said they would do the 4G unlimited and only took a few minutes a 2 reboots of my phone.
Overall, I've had very good experiences with in person and call center AT&T staff. The lady who helped with my Cappy upgrade was just plain cute, smart and knowledgeable and worked the upgrade with no issues at all(btw, all the female staff in that store that day were rather hot, it's a Sign!!!). She wasn't pushy at all with any upsells and I was done with new Sammy happiness in under 20mins! Infuse upgrade was also easy as well.
I've been with AT&T for over 6 yrs and I've not had coverage or billing problems that couldn't be explained.
Truly your mileage may vary. Maybe we can start a thread of Top Notch AT&T Stores by zip code. Record your experiences and cite the agent's name and you're thoughts.
We know AT&T staff reads XDA so this would be direct feed back they can't censor like they do in their own forums.

There are a couple of places where you can get the true LTE. Chicago is one of the cities. You can check out the full map on AT&T website.
I have been with AT&T for 4 years already and have never had a problem. I started with old Samsung A707A. It was one of their phones that had 3G and wasn't a smartphone. Used for 2 years and got unlimited data plan when it just came out.
Used iphone 3GS for 2 years. Honostly, I really got tired of Apple telling me what to do. I don't say that my iPhone was bad. It was just limited to me. I believe if I payed my money for my phone, I can use how I want to, not how someone else expects me to use it.
Switch to Android OS having an Infuse was a great decison. Used it right now for 4 days.
Here is my experience:
*Battery life isn't that bad. My iphone was the same way. Plus, it is with the use of HSPA+ (raw 4G/3g+). iPhone while using 3G was eating through the battery like no other. I also for my paranoia bought a case with a battery in it (1700mA). Basically that extends my heavy data usage to 2 days.
*Rooted to use Titanium. I like the customization options.
*The size is NOT too big. It's super thin as well. Even with the case it's alright.
Haven't had any problems with the phone yet.
Using medium data with 4G got me through 7am to 7pm to 78% battery.
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Hey guys,
Thank you for your feedback. I think I should clarify a couple things...
1) I live in Toledo, OH, which is a major test market. I might have LTE and not even know it... Does the Infuse even support LTE? I mean, I get better speeds than my friend who has an Atrix 4G, by about 700kbps each time down and 300kbps up. From my experience this phone is freaking fast.
2) I installed some data heavy apps, such as skype, (front facing camera FTW!) and beautiful widgets, and a bunch of games. I can still go through a typical day (8am-12am) with about 10% battery. I'm impressed. Then again, results may vary.
3) Lastly, has anybody tried just keeping the phone on EDGE all day? I mean, if you're using the infused rom and don't use data except for email and such, you could probably just switch it over to EDGE and save a TON of battery life. My cappy used to get about 1/3 extra battery life.
It's good to hear that most of you are also have good Infuse experiences!

I have been experimenting with widgets to toggle 2g-4g great idea. Screen of course is the biggest battery eater.

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I have been experimenting with widgets to toggle 2g-4g great idea. Screen of course is the biggest battery eater.
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Agreed. I use brightness level from curvefish and make my own brightness > It saves a little bit of battery.

SMaximus7 said:
after about 15 minutes of me telling him what a jaggoff he was, I hung up on him, called up 611 and they put it back on the unlimited plan
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LoL
I love it when customer service reps and managers don't do their jobs correctly and I get to rip into them like you did to that guy for 15 minutes. Wish I could have been there on the phone to listen

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I love it when customer service reps and managers don't do their jobs correctly and I get to rip into them like you did to that guy for 15 minutes. Wish I could have been there on the phone to listen
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Well, I was very persistent about speaking with a manager without ripping into the employee (I could tell she didn't know what she was doing) and I was polite about it, and they fixed my problem within 24 hours. Maybe putting reps in their place works, but it's important to remember that they aren't the ones who set up a crapton of frivolous data plans to confuse customers and reps alike.

[Q] Buying One S--I hope

May be getting the One S this weekend or tonite. May trade in rooted N1 for 100.00 since they are only going for 130.00 or so on Ebay. 30.00 not worth trouble. Will buy outright as 6 months left on contract. I still get the trade-in money though with no additional contract extension.
Reason to buy, it is 42mb (semi-future proof) and my testing yielded extremely smooth and fast performance with excellent page rendering. Great call quality and dl speeds 4.5 to 6mb even within the Mall. I eliminated the GN I played with at Verizon and even though 13mb dl, the One S rendered the pages faster and smoother on the two phones I tried. Pinch to zoom excellent. Maybe pure dl speed isn't everything.
I can use this for 18-24 months until there are big jumps in features/performance. Although, we will know today, I think the S3 even if it comes to TMobile may only be 21mb, not sure. Either way it performed as well if not better than the GN on Verizon. IMHO. The S3 may be months and probably 800.00. The One S is extremely nice and noticed no issues mentioned in this sub-forum. Nice thing about getting it at Mall kiosk, is that I can test there for big issues. Although the data connection issue concerns me--
Question-- I will wipe phone and old sdcard to turn in. I don't know what they do on sim. But, if i do my wipes and they clear sim card (not sure if sims have pesonal stuff on them like my Blackberry did), is there any security issues I may have overlooked to turn phone over to someone else. Personal stuff etc. I put no contacts etc on sim myself.
So, if I don't chicken out on the 500.00 may be back asking noob questions on rooting this, although don't know about flashing roms as this has all I need atm.

BTW--will my Blueant Q1 bluetooth still work on this--or are there better headsets for this phone--

Seen some posts that people needed HTC Sync to unlock
Anyone not use it and unlock?
@joshnichols--I thought you said you didn't use it, I lost our PM's on that part of our topic
Anyone at all have any comments on my questions, please
I wanna buy this Saturday, but if HTC Sync is needed and I can't open and install on my laptop for some reason--need to reconsider--
ken

All Systems Go!
1. Your bluetooth headset will work.
2. As to future proofing your phone in regards to data download speeds, I see your point but a practical counterpoint would be the fact that whether you have a 21MB or a 42MB phone, I don't think you're ever going to see those speeds as those are theoretical speeds in 100% coverage areas and most likely in a lab setting. So though you may have a phone capable of 42MB speeds, by the time the carrier's has the capacity to offer those type of real world data speeds, all phones on the current market will become obsolete.
3. HTC Sync=Garbage. It's not necessary to root your phone or load custom ROMS.
4. Just withdraw your sim card before you trade it in. The retailer doesn't want/need it since it can't be repurposed for another customer.

Appreciate the response TrueGenome,
I understand the true speeds, I mentioned the 42 as to buying a 21 phone. Tmo will be 42 here in the next few months. If i can't have lte then i want a 42 phone for now. I am looking at 18-24 months with it then we will see what's out there. I think by end of 2013 lte will be on most carriers including tmobile.
Do you have a blueant or why are you sure it will work--it is not a deal breaker though, just curious.
So, you unlocked and rooted with no HTC Sync on your pc/laptop
I mentioned it because at least two people said they had to have sync installed to unlock. And for some dumb reason I haven't figured out yet, it won't open to run.

Well, bit the proverbial bullet and got the One S. Big improvement over a rooted N1 running ICS. Speeds are crazy. I got a 16gb Class 6 card that got 5-6mb on N1 and with peaks to 7-8. Today on One S I saw over 15. Lots of times plus 9mb. Not sure what to make of that. Still no better signal strength than the N1 in Dayton, unless in Very Good locations and outside or in car. My home and work still poor signal. Two phones--maybe the carrier is the issue? Have hit 7mb dl in a "maybe" 21mb market. 42mb is coming fairly soon, I hope-- According to a sales rep per a TMobile technician he was talking to.
Unlocked bootloader same nite--no issues. Will probably root soon, but not sure about needing to flash roms--phone has it all. Wouldn't mind toggles in drop down menu though. Am I missing something or is there an app or rom that has it.
Do any of you have/use HTC Sync, I need to research it--no nothing about it. As mentioned not needed to unlock, I guess. Did/Do have it installed.
My main question: I only sold one phone before a BB. Can send this in for 100.00 rebate. But am looking at putting it on local Craigslist for 135.00. Not doing any mailing. As a buyer from your perspective, what do you want the phone to have loaded at POS. I was going to wipe sdcard and use 4ext touch recovery to wipe all partitions including System. Don't want any personal stuff on it anywhere. Although, I never put banking or anything legal on it. Assume, I can do that at time of sale if better. I saw 130.00ish on Ebay. Phone is in mint condition. Any tips appreciated.
Having paid recovery like 4ext touch recovery on it will not be a personal security isssue, when phone has new rom on it and any updates come down OTA???
Amazed how much bigger this looks and feels than N1. I think a 4.8 would be too big.
Thanks,
Ken

last post here not much response
flashed Paul's recovery and rooted
nice having TB and Nandroids back, an N1 on steroids--
i too have adb issues as far as the adb outdated error message in command window. i started to typr adb kill-server first, not sure if it is why it worked. kinda hit or miss. wonder if htc sync has anything to do with it.
sold N1 already
guess if I have time i will reflash amon on it, not sure about leaving 4ext on it
no issues on flashing recovery and rooting