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Advice please - need more speed!!

Hi, I've started this thread to get some advice from the members who are experienced in modding their phones.
As lots of G1 owners did, I greedily installed app after app until i was running low on space and ended up getting rid of a load. By this time my phone was running slowly anyway.
After recently playing with JF 1.5 then going to the official cupcake release, i have now only installed 24 apps and have 60mb free internal memory - so plenty of space for the browser/maps/youtube caches to grow.
My problem is understanding exactly how the system works though. How can I force each app to continue running in the background until I go back to it?
When first opening an app it takes anything from 0.5sec (dialer) to 17sec (maps) to go from the initial blank screen to actually drawing the app interface on the screen. This is fine when you first use an app, and if you go home then back to the app this is pretty much instant because the app is still running.
My problem however is the small number of apps the system allows to keep running before closing them, it only seems to be about 4 or so, and when you reopen an app you used a little while ago then you have to go through the painfully slow initial waiting while the app interface is drawn on the screen.
My questions really then are:
1. How many apps does the system keep running, and can this be increased? If so, then how & at what price?
2. Is there a way to force the system to always keep certain apps running and not close them (apps I use repeatedly througout the day, such as gmail, chompsms, browser)? I want the instant snappiness all the time for these apps.
3. Can I force the system to close other memory/processor hog apps as soon as I finish using them (maps, youtube, gallery)?
4. Will moving my apps and dalvik cache to a really fast class 8 microsd card help the speed of my phone in any way? Or is this just a way to increase free space on my phone memory?
Thanks in advance for any answers/advice/help!

17 sec for map? Something is wrong. I just opened my map and it took 2 sec to open up the map, another 1 sec to get my rough location. I was inside so I can't comment on getting exact GPS location but, if I had to guess, usually it's about 4-5 sec to lock onto that.
Now onto your question: Android manages it's own memory and there's no way of telling it how to manage it. You can do couple of things:
1) Get an "Open Overclocker" and increase the speed of you CPU to 384/528Mhz from stock 284/384Mhz
2) Get "Task Manager for root users" which will let you shut down programs that you don't use.
3) Reduce the number of widgets you have installed. In my experience, all of the news widgets run in the background even if you don't have them on your screen.
4) Clear you caches regularly (once a day). Very important.
5) Reboot your phone once a day.
Good luck.

borodin1 said:
17 sec for map? Something is wrong. I just opened my map and it took 2 sec to open up the map, another 1 sec to get my rough location. I was inside so I can't comment on getting exact GPS location but, if I had to guess, usually it's about 4-5 sec to lock onto that.
Now onto your question: Android manages it's own memory and there's no way of telling it how to manage it. You can do couple of things:
1) Get an "Open Overclocker" and increase the speed of you CPU to 384/528Mhz from stock 284/384Mhz
2) Get "Task Manager for root users" which will let you shut down programs that you don't use.
3) Reduce the number of widgets you have installed. In my experience, all of the news widgets run in the background even if you don't have them on your screen.
4) Clear you caches regularly (once a day). Very important.
5) Reboot your phone once a day.
Good luck.
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I've just opened my map again after rebooting the phone (and ensuring wifi is switched on, so there's no delay in downloading data for the map) and it took 7sec from hitting the icon until i had a map drawn on my screen. So perhaps the 17 sec was a one off. Even still, it feels painfully slow.
I will look into rooting my phone, and the over clocking and the TaskManager.
The only widgets i have installed are the google search bar, and a playlist.
Any thoughts on moving my apps/dalvik cache to a fast sd card? I think i read somewhere that a class 6 sd card is about the same speed as the internal memory in the G1, so would a class 8 card be even faster than this with regard to loading apps up?
Thanks for your advice so far!

There are multiple discussions about that and at this point it sounds like it does not matter where you caches are in terms of speed. Don't ask me why, I'm not that tech savy. Most people move caches to save space and to avoid clearing them every day. The beauty of this is that you can try it out and go back if you think it's not for you.
Also... look into what apps do you have on your phone, some of them may bog down system significantly. I know for sure that Phonebook from VoxMobile will, there are few others, can't remember which though, look for the thread about it from couple of months ago.
Good luck.

Thanks borodin1!

You do realize, unless the section of the map is cached, it has to be downloaded over your wireless connection right? (and cell networks has a very long latency.)
As to your questions 1-3, all running tasks are managed by the android system and non-active ones are terminated if memory is required by an active program. You cannot control this, but you can kill running apps if you want.
Also due to the slow nature of the terrible dalvik VM, you can't get much performance improvement by moving the dalvik-cache. I suppose you can get some boost by increasing the CPU speed, but the battery life will be much shorter.

billc.cn said:
You do realize, unless the section of the map is cached, it has to be downloaded over your wireless connection right? (and cell networks has a very long latency.)
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Which is why people move caches to the card and don't have that problem

but the map app does not use /cache. the latter is designed for non-transient temporary storage, not for big chunks of junk like the map.

Google Voice lag?

Hi,
Relatively new the android, I have been using Nokia for the most time.
Lately on my captivate I found out that when I press the google voice app it takes substantially longer to open. I mean much longer than other apps - maps, gmail etc. I am on WIFI, so it shouldb't be a connection problem.
Has anyone seen this problem?
Thanks!

Occasionally, when I do open the app, it takes a while. This is usually after a reboot, however. After the first open, the app backgrounds and opens up very quickly.

Thanks.
But this happens to me all the time, it takes like 3 seconds to open.

I to have the same issue. A good 3-5 sec delay. I am using LauncherPro, have no idea if that has anything to do with it.

yea, i am using launcherpro too..

I noticed this too. I just made a habit of hitting home to get out of the app rather than back-ing out and closing it. If it's cached/running it opens instantly.
Also, I applied RyanZA's ext2 lagfix and it fixed this completely so it's probably an I/O "issue".

that sounds like a good idea.
I haven't used any fix yet. I think i am going to wait for froyo or custom roms to come out and see the difference.
now my phone is completely stock not rooted or anything.

Stock ROM: crash / reboot every 9 days 9 hrs 30 min

My stock ROM crashes (or auto-reboots) every 9 days 9 hrs 30min like a clock.
It happened for at least third time in a row, or most likely it is going on like this all the time because I only noticed this odd behavior when I installed a little "uptime" app. After 3 times obviously that's not coincidence, something is causing my phone to crash or reboot every 9d 9hrs 30min.
Has anyone else notice or had same problem?
Stock rom, locked/unrooted, with stock apps and very few extra apps installed, after previous crash I removed almost everything I had installed in the past, I kept only AirDroid, ColReader, Google Drive, File Manager, Mobo player, Skype, SPB TV, TeamViewer - nothing else, yet it still crashed. I can't figure out is it ROM or any of the apps.
edit - perhaps I should have posted in ROM development... Moderator, please move it?

I wish I could help but I've never been able to stay on the stock ROM for that long.
But....no, you've posted in the right place. Put it in developement and it'll get moved to HERE.

There's a TMobile app on there that monitors the days until suggested reboot (7 days) and will then proceed to "warn" you consistently when you're over that period. It is possible that this app is clashing with one of your other apps or doing something in the phone - maybe using too much memory? /shrug
My phone does the exact same thing after a week but it doesn't reboot, it just randomly "soft-crashes" after I hit the back or home key while playing a game or backing out of dialer, apps, etc.
It's extremely annoying and happens whether I have few apps or my normal stock of apps; the only time it doesn't happen at all is after a factory reset (if I don't update anything).
The only thing I can do to stop it is to reboot the phone, as suggested on the 7th day...as soon as I see that notification, I reboot and so far so good.
Good Luck.

google apps are force closing

exhibit II with Peach Sunrise 2.04 ROM
I have been rolling peach for about two weeks. Upon reboot I get “the application google services framework (process com.google.process.gapps)has stopped unexpectedly… then all other apps google related force close. Dolphin and opera browsers force close as well. How can I fix this?

Try clearing Google Play Store app data as well as Google Framework Services in: settings>applications>manage applications>(find both and select "clear data"), see if that helps things...
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it happened to me the gapps was FC every sec... i solved the problem installing the gapps again with CWM... remember to chose the right gapps file.... it happens to me while i was trying to change DPI screen size with LCD Density on JB, the market fix crashed gapps and they were FC every sec as i said... maybe installing new gapps over CWM can help you : D

Rafael Aparecido Camilo said:
it happened to me the gapps was FC every sec... i solved the problem installing the gapps again with CWM... remember to chose the right gapps file.... it happens to me while i was trying to change DPI screen size with LCD Density on JB, the market fix crashed gapps and they were FC every sec as i said... maybe installing new gapps over CWM can help you : D
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I will try that, I will have to wait untill i get home as I am at work. Its killing me! I feel lost and naked without a working phone!
@Apex_Strider I did what you said... it seemed to help for a few min. Then back to FC....

weigel294 said:
I will try that, I will have to wait untill i get home as I am at work. Its killing me! I feel lost and naked without a working phone!
@Apex_Strider I did what you said... it seemed to help for a few min. Then back to FC....
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Yeah, I'd say try a new Gapps package file and flash in CWM, also might not hurt to select the "fix permissions" option under advanced in CWM as well...
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Exhibit + Peach Sunrise + Go Launcher = eventually many apps Force Close => Repeat ag
I've searched the forums and can't find a solution that fits my problem.
I bought a Galaxy Exhibit II with Monthly4G - love the form factor, accessible battery, expendibility (compared to big $$$ phones).
TMO default load was very unsatisfactory.
I flashed it to Peach Sunrise 2.04, ran V6 supercharger and the phone became what it should be - a good performer.
I also loaded go launcher.
I thought it was stable and just installed apps, updates, etc as I wished (you know like I did on the iPod for 6 months before committing to the android platform.)
For the second time the phone just melted down - starts getting all kinds of random Force Closes - reboots don't help.
I also tried clearing all cache and davlik, uninstalling google play updates.
However, the problem is also affecting some core services and almost any app I start on demand - including backup apps!
I had recently installed some updates and three wifi teathering apps (to make teathering easier). On one of the reboots go launcher went through it's setup several times (I know there was an update recently).
I am really enjoying the android platform and this inexpensive phone - but I really don't want to be reflashing it every 4 weeks.
Here are my questions:
Q1) Does anyone recognize my combination of software or a specific software as causing general instability (Peach Sunrise + Go launcher OR Wifi Tether utils that require root)
Q2) Is there a way to trace what causes the instability? (In my day job I use detailed tracing utilities on Windows to find problems with Apps / OS). I found catlog - but didn't have it installed and can't get it installed now.
Q3) Could I be getting hit from a virus or hacking? (I am running "Lookout" antivirus)
Q4) Does anyone else have this challenge of persistent reflashes required?
I'm not expecting to be hand held here - but when I search "Force close" with any combination I get a lot of information that ends with the solution of reflashing. If that is the only solution I can't be reflashing every month.
Thanks for any help.

I have this problem. So far, I can only find a temporary fix. Flashing anything or clearing cache or dalvik cache in Recovery mode temporarily fixes this problem.
I only get this problem when I'm using Instagram though. I don't know why.

I have this problem on my samsung exibihit 2 4g after flashing it back to stock because of the problem with sending texts while on data. And now none of my apps are working. i had to switch phones because i cant ecen text on it now. If anyone has a fix gor it please message me your suggestions. Thank you

This seems to be Talk crashing. I get the same FC message. I have to login manually to get Talk online again. Anyone else notice that

Frequent "xxxxxxxx Not Responding. Wait? Close?"

Tried a couple of different ROMS out there, and I'm still getting frequent pausing, temporary locking up on my Gtab when trying to open apps. Am I rushing the poor old guy!? Usually it starts responding again before I even hit "wait" but the frequent pop-up when it slows is really getting to me. Anyone experiencing anything similar? Any good fixes???
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What roms are you using? I had this issue with the last dirty bean but get it much less if at all with the 120dpi smoothbean. You can change the governor settins under settings/performance/processor as well as limit background processes to 2/1 that seems to help. I laso turn off sync on gmail which helps.
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revned911 said:
Tried a couple of different ROMS out there, and I'm still getting frequent pausing, temporary locking up on my Gtab when trying to open apps. Am I rushing the poor old guy!? Usually it starts responding again before I even hit "wait" but the frequent pop-up when it slows is really getting to me. Anyone experiencing anything similar? Any good fixes???
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1. Try Advanced Task Killer and hit the widget button to nuke the memory hogs. There is
a lot of people who dont recommend task killing as a solution, but it seems to get me past the
force closes.
2. Try an old froyo rom like Vegan or TNT Lite 4.4
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Recently I was having similar problems with the gtablet slowing down a lot, so I started uninstalling some of my apps.
I had about 220 apps with Application Storage at 212MB free. I messed some uninstall and got into a boot loop.
At which point I did a factory reset. The factory reset ROM was a lot faster. So when I restored my apps and settings
froim Titanium backup, I restored about 120 of them with Application Free Storage at about 700 MB now.
All the slowness of apps and market have gone away.
So I would say if you see a lot of Force Closes or hangs especially during Market Update, considering cutting
down on the number of apps you have. The key metric to see if you are getting full is the
Settings->Storage->Tablet Storage->Application Storage (for Froyo ROMs)
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