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Mobile phones benchmark website

Doessomeone know a website where we can check mobile phones 2D performances benchmarks ? I know that for 3D www.glbenchmark.com is perfect but I'd like to compare phones on 2D (And potentially other stuff)
If someone knows some sites with a good database that woud be great
Thanks

Anyone ? It seems really hard to find

You may want to have a look at this page.
It offers benchmarking using openvg technology
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511363

babijoee said:
You may want to have a look at this page.
It offers benchmarking using openvg technology
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511363
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Thanks, the original site I mentionned gives also benchmarks for 3D performance
I was rtaer interetsed in 2D performance (Since for everyday life that's what counts...)

Asphalt 5 performance

I just installed this game and I am really disappointed in the performance on my Nexus. I'm running the latest CM rom with 33.1 kernel and even when overclocked to 1133 the game gets unplayable in most spots...
Anyone has any thoughts on that ? I search around and Droid users seem to get better framerates. Is the Nexus GPU so bad after all ???

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I see what you are saying, but I don't find it excruciatingly laggy at all. Its pretty decent, but I do see the performance limits of the Nexus gpu. I also see the need for performance upgrades to the game itself. Other games go much smoother then this one (both are smooth though, just others are much smoother). Raging Thunder 1 and 2 are pretty beast on the nexus.
I don't find it a big problem at all. If anything, devs need to adapt for the nexus market

This is like the best to come to nexus I have a lot of the cars unlocked and get to play my music while I play. =) I dont see much lag on enoms with his oc/uv works great next update should be a bit faster.

Before I used Ivan's JIT this game was pretty choppy with long loading times, even with pershoot's ocuv. Now with Ivan's JIT and ocuv kernel, this game is super smooth with very fast loading times. If it can be optimized to run smoothly without JIT it would be even better.

I am also using CM's latest ROM and am getting pretty bad lag at times, I am thinking about going to Modaco's once the new version comes out. Is performance for this game really that different between ROM's?

Kutthoat5150 said:
I am also using CM's latest ROM and am getting pretty bad lag at times, I am thinking about going to Modaco's once the new version comes out. Is performance for this game really that different between ROM's?
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I don't think it's a ROM issue as much as it is a developer issue.

Using enom's rom and it plays brilliantly on my N1

Gameloft has admitted it needs to be tweaked for the N1. It's not optimized but still looks great. My wife has an iPhone and it looks fantastic on it.

I wish developers would make graphically pretty games for Android that aren't racing games. Seriously, how many do we really need?

denimjunkie82 said:
Before I used Ivan's JIT this game was pretty choppy with long loading times, even with pershoot's ocuv. Now with Ivan's JIT and ocuv kernel, this game is super smooth with very fast loading times. If it can be optimized to run smoothly without JIT it would be even better.
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Well I didn't buy the game to confirm that, but if it really runs faster with JIT it means it's written in java and it's going to run like crap anyway... In that case they don't need to optimise it, they need to rewrite it as a native app.

It is smooth but not extremely, yeah it stil need to tweak, as I notice it actually play extremely smooth in Motorola Droid (Milestone).
It still playable with decent speed just slightly lagging when your car bang, fly over, then you notice the lagging issue.

BlueScreenJunky said:
Well I didn't buy the game to confirm that, but if it really runs faster with JIT it means it's written in java and it's going to run like crap anyway... In that case they don't need to optimise it, they need to rewrite it as a native app.
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All "native apps" are run from within a java shell. Basically, each frame the java code has to call into the native code. The alternative would be essentially writing OpenGL from the ground up in the native code, although even then it'd still need to be called from an active java app and all controls, sound, etc, would need to be handled in java. There's simply no other way to write native apps in Android.

Yes, sorry, that's what I meant by "native app" (that's how kwaak3 works for example). I can be wrong but I think if only input and audio are handled by java, the use of a different virtual machine using JIT can't make such a difference...

BlueScreenJunky said:
Well I didn't buy the game to confirm that, but if it really runs faster with JIT it means it's written in java and it's going to run like crap anyway... In that case they don't need to optimise it, they need to rewrite it as a native app.
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I played the game while running JIT and it made zero difference. It was still laggy at times. No ROM will make a difference as it's not the software here that is the limiting factor but the GPU. The snapdragon has a great CPU but unfortunately a pretty poor GPU compared with other phones say the Droid. The Droid was much smoother and even smoother was the iPhone.
Gameloft needs to optimize this game keeping in mind the hardware specs for each device. Just my two cents.

Using Enomther rom, no lag whatsoever, plus you can overclock over 1 ghz...

Imperial.mack said:
Using Enomther rom, no lag whatsoever, plus you can overclock over 1 ghz...
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Interesting, with Enom's I always get lag. Good to hear that it works well for you.

Many people will probably have different views on what lag is, i get a lag when playing it and so will everyone else, some people may not notice it as much as others and in some cases it may occur less due to there actual set up but the ROM should not make a difference as it was not developed with the nexus one in mind, hence why it doesn't utilize the N1 as well as it utilizes the Moto

lolittle said:
Many people will probably have different views on what lag is, i get a lag when playing it and so will everyone else, some people may not notice it as much as others and in some cases it may occur less due to there actual set up but the ROM should not make a difference as it was not developed with the nexus one in mind, hence why it doesn't utilize the N1 as well as it utilizes the Moto
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Actually this game was developed for the iPhone it lags pretty bad on the Moto Droid as well.

I guess there is no game till now that has used N1's potential fully. Whats stopping game development on Android ??

faraz1992 said:
I guess there is no game till now that has used N1's potential fully. Whats stopping game development on Android ??
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The market. Not the "Android Market", but the market for heavily investing in optimizing a game. Every Android handset is different - different plug-ins, different hardware, different software, etc. If you want to design a great game that performs brilliantly for 2 dollars, you need to sell a LOT of copies of it. Hundreds of thousands or more. Well, only the Droid has even sold that many handsets, and you'll never get 20%-50% penetration into a market with just one application.
Sure, Asphalt will run on nearly anything, BUT, it isn't going to run as well as it does on the iPhone despite the inferior hardware on that device, simply because optimizing it for one platform in Android (except MAYBE the Droid) isn't economically efficient.
The iPhone's biggest advantage (though that is looking to be short-lived now...) is the absolute lack of platform fragmentation. Every single iPhone or iPod Touch can run 99.5% of the available applications, and run them well. Almost all of them are running exactly the same software (obviously, there are some kernel differences and baseband differences, but the userspace kit is almost exactly the same). And there are 80 million of them. A developer just needs to hope for 1 percent penetration to make a killing on even a cheap application.
Until Android can get rid of excessive fragmentation (to at least a reasonable extent), it will suffer in the game world compared to Apple's kit. If Android can get down to just one version on effectively everything, with one set of APIs to address graphics at high speed, it'll be too expensive to make something perform as well - unless you want to pay $30 for an Android game (and I sure won't do that...).

Game graphics on Android phones

I've been playing around my newly bought Nexus One and one thing I've found is that while graphics and colours when doing most things in general are so vibrant and beautiful to look at, games look decidedly 2nd rate.
Why is that? Is that something to do with the hardware or the APIs provided by Google? It would be nice to see something like Plants vs Zombies on the iPhone. From my limited use I find the graphics on my Nexus One slightly better than the 3GS on everything except when it comes to games, where it is left far behind. I found that really weird.
On a related note, I'm no developer myself, but I'm of the opinion that the success of the platform will depend a lot on 3rd party development, which means a lot of support given by Google to developers. What's the situation like now? How easy/hard is to develop for Android phones and what are the scopes for improvement?

Bump.
Any opinions from Android developers on here?

its because pre nexus one/desire there was only one android phone which could even play good graphics and that was the moto droid .
give the developers some time ... now that more powerful android phones are coming out, we'll see more and more better looking games ... as an example look at raging thunder 2 ... you might not like racing games but that game has exceptional graphics
nothing as good as the iphone yet, because iphone always had a very powerful gpu from the get go so all of iphone game developers have had that much time to play around with them ... android just started getting powerful gpus
hope that answers ... and anyone with more knowledge, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

alienwolf426 said:
nothing as good as the iphone yet, because iphone always had a very powerful gpu from the get go so all of iphone game developers have had that much time to play around with them ... android just started getting powerful gpus
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Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. Which new Android phones have good GPUs on board?

Watch out here comes the "Droids"
TT1986 said:
Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. Which new Android phones have good GPUs on board?[/QUOTE
Galaxy S doing video game demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpP5QljEqow&feature=related
Galaxy S vs. Iphone 4:
http://3gsiphone.com/jailbreak-and-...-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-video-review-part-1.html
Reading about GPU:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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jhnstn00 said:
TT1986 said:
Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. Which new Android phones have good GPUs on board?[/QUOTE
Galaxy S doing video game demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpP5QljEqow&feature=related
Galaxy S vs. Iphone 4:
http://3gsiphone.com/jailbreak-and-...-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-video-review-part-1.html
Reading about GPU:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
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Whoa! That is good.
Excellent stuff, good times ahead then.
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its mostly due to the fact that a lot of older phones (eg. the htc hero) dont have gpus whatsoever. the moto droid had a gpu, therefore could run good graphics in a 3d game. the samsung galaxy S has a great gpu on the cpu die and will run some really impressive games on it, in fact, it could run much better looking games than on the iphone.

for a art developers view
Ok well I'm a 14+ year vet of games industry on console games, in technical art production, but my view would be the same as a programmer I would suspect. Just like when doing a multi-platform release back in the ps, saturn, n64, dreamcast etc... days, you dont really want to do lots of work for all platforms. Neither do you want to cut your biggest market chunk out by them not getting the experience others get with better hardware. This takes me back to PC days when we have powerVR primary GPU's, or ATI, or Nvidia, or matrox, well the list got big. The graphics capabilities sometimes had to be addressed almost as if they were different platforms (this is b4 HAL abstraction sweetness and todays DX domination). I suppose at the end of the day, I would not choose to dev only on android for the SGS, that cuts some 99% of the market out. What apple has done is have fixed hardware and Development LIBs for that hardware. This makes it very easy to give all iPhone users the same experience. With android, too many variances in hardware and capability, also maybe hits taken from phone operator system additions and services.
So in my opinion, you cant have such and open system that can have lots of variations and get games in numbers and quality that we see on iphone. Not cause android phones cant do it. Cause not all of them can etc, and it's too varied.
Just my opinion

deanwray said:
So in my opinion, you cant have such and open system that can have lots of variations and get games in numbers and quality that we see on iphone. Not cause android phones cant do it. Cause not all of them can etc, and it's too varied.
Just my opinion
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I see what you mean. It's a lot like Console vs PC isn't it? I'm a PC gamer but i can understand why publishers/developers prefer console because they don't have to deal with a large variety of hardware. In other words, optimizing gaming experiences on Android phones could be harder than on iPhones because of the same reason.
Lets hope the difference isn't too big though.

TT1986 said:
I see what you mean. It's a lot like Console vs PC isn't it? I'm a PC gamer but i can understand why publishers/developers prefer console because they don't have to deal with a large variety of hardware. In other words, optimizing gaming experiences on Android phones could be harder than on iPhones because of the same reason.
Lets hope the difference isn't too big though.
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Porting from PC to console and vice-versa is probably easier than iPhone to Android, though.
I remember Valve saying that porting The Orange Box over to the Xbox 360 was very easy. They said something like they put the PC code -- with a few changes like control configuration -- through a 360 compiler and the game was up and running.
Also, with the PC, you have just two major processor brands (Intel and AMD) and two major graphics card brands (NVIDIA and ATI). The APIs and stuff are also far more mature.

google could do what Palm did.
Palms PDK allows porting of iPhone games to the Pre in a matter of hours.

theineffablebob said:
I remember Valve saying that porting The Orange Box over to the Xbox 360 was very easy. They said something like they put the PC code -- with a few changes like control configuration -- through a 360 compiler and the game was up and running.
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That's probably because it's made in XNA or some other cross platform code. That's one of the things pulling me toward WP7 (that and Zune Pass ).
Devs can write one code base, and in a matter of days have it ported to all major Microsoft software. As an Android dev myself, that would be amazingly useful did I also produce desktop software. I mean think about it, write an app for PC, then also target XBOX360, ZuneHD, normal Zunes, and WP7 all with essentially one codebase with very few small changes between them. That's some amazing stuff.
I toyed with XNA before and it is a beautiful way to code. Not to mention that the C# it uses is essentially Java with a few modifications.

If you were a developer at Google.............

Hello everyone,
Just for the sake of fun. If you have been given the opportunity to decide the future of android, What would you do? Which feature do you want to see in android?
May be people @ Google are 'really' watching this thread. Who knows?
Shoot your opinions
PS: I would say, a multi user (logoff and on) feature so that one can change profiles in office and home. (Haven't seen this as native android feature)

Feature wise, I'd push for smoother graphics, put an end to the "iPhone is faster" trolls.

Smoother ...more exclusives to android.. game mostly ...as gamevil seem to stick every thing on iPhone first ..
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One of the things that holds back game developers is having to do extra work to support multiple GPUs (Tegra, OMAP, Adreno, etc). It would be nice if Android had something like DirectX on Windows where the GPU brand doesn't matter, instead the GPU is certified for a DirectX # level and can run all games up to that #.
There have been some good games out there that were Tegra only early on for example and when you see its incompatible with your graphically capable OMAP device its not good. Judging from the reviews left people don't like when this happens.

I really don't understand why android cannot run as smooth as iphone, i think it's really system problem rather than hardware's problem...

crazyricky said:
I really don't understand why android cannot run as smooth as iphone, i think it's really system problem rather than hardware's problem...
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Apple have a few phones they build inhouse, and create software and drivers for it, that they can constantly tune and improve.
Google on the other hand, have to support an unlimited amount of devices and drivers, so they don't get the same time to improve drivers. Not to mention you then get 3rd parties with their own skins and what not.
It's the price we pay for freedom

[APP] 3DMark Android Edition - Post your scores

Finally released... :thumbup:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.futuremark.dmandroid.application
Downloading now!
Dont know if this should be here or in General...

I have only something around 1100 on the default test. Very poor result. Kernel Hydracore, newest JB stock. What can be wrong ? Someone has an idea ?

What are you running it on?
If this version of 3d Mark is anything like the PC version, the tests won't necessarily give you a 'real world' result.
3D Mark doesn't scale down effects to suit devices, it will throw the full array of OpenGL v2 effects to give a baseline score.
Unless you've got a top of the range powerful device, expect low scores.
This benchmark software is bloated to say the least, there are better benchmarkers that will do a great job giving scores for bragging rights, AnTuTu is a reliable one with good features in it's free version.