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TAT's RedDish-future 3D UI! Looks sweet!

Go Swedes!
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK2vVDpK2Mk&feature=player_embedded#t=60
TAT's homepage:
http://www.tat.se/

Yes. Looks really nice.
Thanks.

looks nice but not easy for use (especially on small Topaz screen).
They have to redesign it to make more finger-friendly.

and I astll prefer SPB Mobile Shell 3 (they just need to fix a bug with Contacts on Topaz)

when is this going to be released looks pretty neat... OpenGL driven as well...

Cluttered, unintuitive, pointless.
Very pretty, but ultimately of no use whatsoever.

Did they ever release one of their products?
I don't think so... They just develop prototypes or not?

My bad...double post.

Mar'Cel said:
Did they ever release one of their products?
I don't think so... They just develop prototypes or not?
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From Engadget:
"Swedish design team called TAT (The Astonishing Tribe) a group of nerds responsible for finessing the look and feel of the T-Mobile G1's user interface including such innovations as the window shade menu and 9-point visual key-lock. In fact, TAT's software prowess can be seen on the Samsung Instinct, S60 handsets from Nokia, and a variety of devices from Motorola and Sony Ericsson. So when TAT releases a new "3Deyetracking UI" concept that lets you see behind on-screen objects, well, you can bet that the entire cellphone industry is paying attention. "
And yes, it's totally unintuitive and pointless but darn good looking!
As most of all prototypes...

pbv302 said:
And yes, it's totally unintuitive and pointless but darn good looking!
As most of all prototypes...
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Yeah they definitely develop nice prototypes. Wish some of them could come to our devices. By them or any interested developer

Android UI/UX Movement

I'd like to start a movement...
Android's openness is a double-edged sword. Too often many devs (sadly most Android devs) seem to omit any sort of design when it comes to their apps. Doesn't matter if the app is amazing, or horrid, the design is far too often hideous.
Due to the lack of an approval process we become that approval process. We tell them what's good, what's bad, and what needs to be modified. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to happen enough and a lot of apps have old Android 1.0 looking icons and UI/UXs or simply horrendous everything visual.
I try my best to tell however many devs I can that they need to up the quality of their apps...I often reference examples in the market that show a dev who gets it. And while the number of great looking apps is skyrocketing a lot of ugly apps still persist...way too many.
So, I'd like to start a movement...a sort of motivational movement...advice...even help...
you don't need to be a dev, or a designer...just a person who understands the difference between a good looking app and an ugly/could be better app.
After that all you'd need to do is inform the dev of the issues and simply hope for the best. lol
We can't force the dev's to change their designs...but we can offer advice, help, tips...etc.
PS...Apps that look like iPhone apps are deemed BAD APPS...Android design paradigm allows for great looking apps that in no way mimic the look of an iPhone app...

I'm a designer as well and I feel good about my accomplishments thus far. I'm trying to learn more about developing for android so that I can make a difference in terms of aesthetically pleasing applications for the platform. Would be cool to work with a current developer on a program from start to finish.

chrisdarwin said:
I'm a designer as well and I feel good about my accomplishments thus far. I'm trying to learn more about developing for android so that I can make a difference in terms of aesthetically pleasing applications for the platform. Would be cool to work with a current developer on a program from start to finish.
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I need to brush up on interface design...oddly I can design a web page with ease but when it comes to smaller scale designs I struggle...I "paint with a broad brush" so to speak.
but yea. I'm willing to help as well...so any devs in the NY/Northern NJ area if you need help on an application from start to finish let me know.
Also I hope this thread can catch on...Android needs help...and we are the ones who can help.
Don't let this thread die. It's kind of important.

of course no one cares.

This is a great idea. I think the Android community as a whole lacks in the design department. Just look at the users' screenshots.

Hear hear!

@AbsoluteDesignz, I'm not sure if you've given up on this movement or not due to apparent lack of interest, but I for one totally agree with you. I suggest you stir up interest by posting in the threads of users who clearly DO see the difference between good looking and ugly apps/UIs/UXs. Such threads include:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=476483
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=990233.
In either of these threads you'll find the work of many themers and other skillful end users who go to lengths to ensure their devices look as good as they work.
Hope this helps.

I think there is no motivation for devs to make good-looking apps because they get more money on iOS than the open Android. Many users think - why buy app if you can just download it from blackmarket or find apk online?

[Opinion] Android a Fragmented, Differentiated, and Misrepresented Platform - P2

Removed the OP in protest due to the abusive I endured by some XDA members. In spite of reporting them to the moderates of the forums in question and my views were shared with more members than the abusers one of my threads was closed instead.
To those truly care about technology and its surrounding matters, please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. I will no longer be part of the XDA community. Thank you.

Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
CSharpHeaven said:
Part 2
Applications & Games
The very exaggerated figure (over 400,000) by Google is only to generate market hypes and to give an impression how popular the Android platform is.
The truth is Google has used hundreds of thousands of hopeful individuals with prospect of success to submit anything to fight back Apple's App Store, only in terms of numbers that is. The chance to success, financially, on Google's Play Store is only very small for established vendors and even smaller for individuals when the competition exceeds by vast numbers. Think of the odds in lottery to come to the same conclusion.
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You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.

Spell checker?
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nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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I'm glad you are not the only XDA member that can read.

what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website-server stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump onto my harddrives, mess it all up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever the hell they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this was my first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality from app to app varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems. the underbelly of android with its signing-mechanisms, permission-transparency, packet-installer, subtle notifications, etc., all this works for me and im using my desktop less and less for a reason.

molesarecoming said:
what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump into my systems, mess it up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this is the first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality of the apps varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems.
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Thank you for your inputs. I would like to clarify a couple of things, if you don't mind.
I have never made a comment about the Google Play Store's update process that updates the downloaded applications. Since you did, I do agree with you regarding the advantages you rightly addressed. What I might not agree with you is the trust where my credit card details can be added to the profile Google creates for all the citizens.
My point, that you responded to, was about the inability Android OS has to update itself the way, for example, Microsoft Windows or Apple's iOS can. Also the only thing Android can update on any Android handsets is the Google Play Store app. I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T. Believe me, being a software developer I can tolerate high mental pressures but that experience was something else. I don't wish anyone else go through the same experience ever and they shouldn't really.
I've been writing this article with the consideration of the bigger issues. I cannot conclude Android is a good platform based on a small technical convenience when I have vivid visions on what Google is doing with Android and beyond the mobile space.
If my ID suggests I must be a Microsoft's fan then allow me to say to the readers that I have only two Android phones which I use one of them to write my article and this response. Also I use an Android phone as my primary device, using up to three 1930mAh batteries a day. No, I don't watch movies on my phones but listen to music from time to time.

nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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His name leads me to believe Microsoft Fanboi - C# is a Microsoft language very similar to java - but has enough similarities to be it's own language.
edit - you posted at a similar time to me.
I will read this from now on, but probably won't comment. I enjoy hearing what ppl have to say.

i have to use c# daily in my job, its great, my favourite until now. did you know that google once played with the thought to make it androids base language? read it somewhere. must be a myth though.
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CSharpHeaven said:
I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T.
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well, i am certainly pissed that my older handset, the s2, caught a disease called touchwizz recently instead of the modern operatig system i was hoping for. but falling ill? come on, get another phone, an iphone maybe, or if you still have hopes for android a nexus, and all will be fine. i learned my lesson from this, i'll never, ever buy something that is not directly maintained by google itself. i heard some people really loved touchwiz and samsungs efforts, to each his own. i thing its nice though that you have the choice.

Introducing tinyApps

I've lurked around these forums for a while, occasionally dabbling in various models that I've owned or had an interest in. I've now decided that it's high time a complete fleet of apps were developed with CM in mind.
Introducing tinyApps!
The concept is relatively simple. Cyanogen is often a means of experiencing a newer version of Android on a device that is otherwise unsupported. For example: I have an HTC Desire Z as a daily driver. I run CM10.1 (or android 4.2.2) and it performs pretty damned well. I've also owned much less powerful phones, such as the Optimus ME P350 from LG, on which I ran 4.0.4, and found most apps very demanding.
I'm going to be developing, over the course of several months, the following apps:
tRadio
tMusic
tWeb
tFiles
tFilms
and last, but by no means least, tGallery.
These are all applications that I have found to be reasonably demanding, or unsuccessful in meeting my expectations.
I'm gonna get paid!
I'm not going to canvas for donations, that isn't my style. Instead, I'm going to fund these apps by adverts. I'll be sure to keep these as unintrusive as possible, eg:
No full-screen adverts (if possible)
In the same place across all applications
placed so as to avoid accidental clicks
as static as possible, to avoid excess data charges
removable by a fee made as small as possible - e.g 50p UK sterling
I'm very keen to hear suggestions and feature requests, although please keep in mind that these apps are designed to be as small as possible. If all goes well, we can perhaps push for them to be included as part of CyanogenMod (Nobody ever said I wasn't aspirational, no?).

&Delinquent[$] said:
I've lurked around these forums for a while, occasionally dabbling in various models that I've owned or had an interest in. I've now decided that it's high time a complete fleet of apps were developed with CM in mind.
Introducing tinyApps!
The concept is relatively simple. Cyanogen is often a means of experiencing a newer version of Android on a device that is otherwise unsupported. For example: I have an HTC Desire Z as a daily driver. I run CM10.1 (or android 4.2.2) and it performs pretty damned well. I've also owned much less powerful phones, such as the Optimus ME P350 from LG, on which I ran 4.0.4, and found most apps very demanding.
I'm going to be developing, over the course of several months, the following apps:
tRadio
tMusic
tWeb
tFiles
tFilms
and last, but by no means least, tGallery.
These are all applications that I have found to be reasonably demanding, or unsuccessful in meeting my expectations.
I'm gonna get paid!
I'm not going to canvas for donations, that isn't my style. Instead, I'm going to fund these apps by adverts. I'll be sure to keep these as unintrusive as possible, eg:
No full-screen adverts (if possible)
In the same place across all applications
placed so as to avoid accidental clicks
as static as possible, to avoid excess data charges
removable by a fee made as small as possible - e.g 50p UK sterling
I'm very keen to hear suggestions and feature requests, although please keep in mind that these apps are designed to be as small as possible. If all goes well, we can perhaps push for them to be included as part of CyanogenMod (Nobody ever said I wasn't aspirational, no?).
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Interesting concept but really just an empty thread. It would be awesome if you could update others on what the project looks like and more detail!
If you ever need any help in designs and such, do contact me. I'm also interested in the development of (what now seems very alpha) the app. :good:

Nice.
I suggest that you can access that application in "small" window like Sony smart app do. I'd be great

Araragi said:
Nice.
I suggest that you can access that application in "small" window like Sony smart app do. I'd be great
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Thatll take a lot if effort though
XD.
I'd be great
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Its: That'll be great

Araragi said:
Nice.
I suggest that you can access that application in "small" window like Sony smart app do. I'd be great
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I'll second this idea!

Also a video player or is that films?

OlinB said:
I'll second this idea!
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Creating a Sony styled Small apps requires something along the Sony framework for those things to work so gd luck!

Look out! tRadio is coming sometime next month!

Interested to see what you have what in store
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Why does the entire xda forum function poorly and look so awful?

I find it a bit funny that xda is a forum where many users seek to solve problems and offer technical support, etc. with some very intelligent individuals offering great technical assistance.... and yet the forum itself functions so poorly (lag, clutter, bad design, etc). I rarely look at xda anymore because it's an absolute pain to use. Isn't there a better forum interface than this?

BlurtFlabber said:
I find it a bit funny that xda is a forum where many users seek to solve problems and offer technical support, etc. with some very intelligent individuals offering great technical assistance.... and yet the forum itself functions so poorly (lag, clutter, bad design, etc). I rarely look at xda anymore because it's an absolute pain to use. Isn't there a better forum interface than this?
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Ehhhhh.....
I personally dont know about the design but you can change the theme if you scoll all the way down and click the XDA - Dark or whatever button down there.
Overrall there isnt any lag for me.
Might be your internet connection

I totally agree if you are talking about the application. This site is totally fine for me to be honest.

Design is ok. Edit button placement use to be better.
Instead XDA needs to stop messing with the layout as it's about 99% dialed in now!
The design is far better than most forums.
There a few annoying glitches and Cloudfare locks up from time to time requiring a 2nd button push. Speed is usually acceptable.
My biggest complaints are the big WHITE XDA logo burning in my AMOLED display in dark mode needs to be tuned down ie greyed a bit.
Spamers need to be PBed asap, kill this site as a platform for them. Make it a total waste of their time so they don't even get 5 minutes exposure.
I would wuv that job

Agree about clutter. Design is just design, dark theme is fine. No lag for me.
My biggest issue is the structure of the forums though. Could be much better organized when it comes to sections etc. IMO. Hard to find things sometimes. E.g. what's the best place to ask a more general question related to TWRP backups?