Who’s Software is “World Clock”?
Hi All,
On 7/13 I posted in the Touchpro II forum informing that there are many cities in the GMT +5 time zones which display the wrong time in the World Clock function. This includes most of the countries which end with a “stan”.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724913
It received zero replies.
I’m OK with this. I am at peace with the fact that I am the only guy with a TP2 (Tilt 2) that cares what time it is in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. (Please feel free to make fun of this if you’d like – fire at will!) But the bottom line for me is that I need the clock to work, I paid a lot of money for the clock to work, and the software is obviously written wrong.
So now my question is this; who’s program is this? Did MS write it as part of the 6.5 OS, or did HTC add the feature. I need to know who to address my complaint to. If it’s MS, will it be screwed-up in WM7 as well?
Thanks,
Dave
Please cool down, nobody is here to make fun of you.
Moved to Q&A might get answers there.
Please try google if you haven't already.
madnish30.
I'm School of Cool Dude!
Dear Madnish30,
I am cool. I’m very cool. Or at least I was – until I received my most recent “help”. My open invitation for members to poke fun at me was both an acknowledgement that I am aware that not a lot of people care what time it is in Tashkent, as well as an attempt at self-deprecating humor. Although I am determined to get my issue resolved this was in no means a rant of any sort. Perhaps it was cultural and you missed my Yankee Sinicism. Regardless, if you perceived it other than how I meant it, then it was obviously a swing and a miss on my part and I will give some thought towards my writing style. I sincerely apologize for my failed attempt at humor.
Although suggesting that I go goggle myself sounded more like scolding (which I suppose is well within your authority as a moderator) than help, I took your suggestion and tried Google in an attempt to learn the proprietor of the World Clock software with no luck.
As for moving my post, I had posted in the software development forum for a couple of reasons: First and foremost, I figured that people who write software for these devices might be intimately familiar with the entity responsible for the World Clock. Secondly, I suspect there are those among us who might be able to instruct me on how to go into the registry and fix this myself. I am not an expert and tinkering with the registry without specific instruction is probably not a good idea for me, but perhaps I will make this the subject of a more specific post. There exist 265 different forums here. Again I apologize for picking the wrong one.
In the mean time, Leslie (who apparently has no job title) from HTC has weighed-in with her help. Here’s what she had to say:
Hello Dave, Thank you for contacting HTC. I understand your frustration. This may be a problem with the world clock which would need to be addressed in a rom update which would have to be requested by AT&T. By changing the system clock it changes all times, if you are spending extended times in these areas, you can turn off the HTC sence and use the base windows operating system. I hope that answered your questions, if you have any other issues or questions please feel free to contact us. HTC Technical Support www.htc.com www.pcddevices.com www.windowsmobile.com
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 10USCW31ENA000708.
Sincerely,
Leslie
HTC
Obviously this is not a great deal of help to me, but if I read into Leslie’s response, it is a clue that the World Clock is probably an HTC product.
Madnish30, I openly challenge you Sir. That’s right; I am publicly calling you out. You profess to be here to help, and I need help. If you have a World Clock on your HTC device (any HTC device with any carrier) I need you (and anyone else who feels like helping out please, please, please!) to please do the following:
Go to your World Clock and add the following two cities; Muscat, Oman and Tashkent, Uzbekistan. These two cities should be 1 (one) hour apart with Tashkent being one hour later. If they are not, your World Clock is probably completely absent the GMT+5 time zone.
I would be sincerely grateful to anyone who would take the time to give this a shot and let me know the result. This would be beneficial in that I would gain the knowledge of how wide-spread this issue is. While we’re at it, perhaps we could, in light of the degree of research and amount of helpfulness of Leslie’s response, come up with a title for her. So far I’ve come up with:
Vice Minister of Propaganda
Deflection Department Associate
Assistant to the Elimination of Complaints Department
Assistant to the Regional Manager (Only funny to those who follow the U.S. sitcom “The Office”)
Moderator
With respect and gratitude,
Dave
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Dear Madnish30,
I am cool. I’m very cool. Or at least I was – until I received my most recent “help”. My open invitation for members to poke fun at me was both an acknowledgement that I am aware that not a lot of people care what time it is in Tashkent, as well as an attempt at self-deprecating humor. Although I am determined to get my issue resolved this was in no means a rant of any sort. Perhaps it was cultural and you missed my Yankee Sinicism. Regardless, if you perceived it other than how I meant it, then it was obviously a swing and a miss on my part and I will give some thought towards my writing style. I sincerely apologize for my failed attempt at humor.
Although suggesting that I go goggle myself sounded more like scolding (which I suppose is well within your authority as a moderator) than help, I took your suggestion and tried Google in an attempt to learn the proprietor of the World Clock software with no luck.
As for moving my post, I had posted in the software development forum for a couple of reasons: First and foremost, I figured that people who write software for these devices might be intimately familiar with the entity responsible for the World Clock. Secondly, I suspect there are those among us who might be able to instruct me on how to go into the registry and fix this myself. I am not an expert and tinkering with the registry without specific instruction is probably not a good idea for me, but perhaps I will make this the subject of a more specific post. There exist 265 different forums here. Again I apologize for picking the wrong one.
In the mean time, Leslie (who apparently has no job title) from HTC has weighed-in with her help. Here’s what she had to say:
Hello Dave, Thank you for contacting HTC. I understand your frustration. This may be a problem with the world clock which would need to be addressed in a rom update which would have to be requested by AT&T. By changing the system clock it changes all times, if you are spending extended times in these areas, you can turn off the HTC sence and use the base windows operating system. I hope that answered your questions, if you have any other issues or questions please feel free to contact us. HTC Technical Support www.htc.com www.pcddevices.com www.windowsmobile.com
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 10USCW31ENA000708.
Sincerely,
Leslie
HTC
Obviously this is not a great deal of help to me, but if I read into Leslie’s response, it is a clue that the World Clock is probably an HTC product.
Madnish30, I openly challenge you Sir. That’s right; I am publicly calling you out. You profess to be here to help, and I need help. If you have a World Clock on your HTC device (any HTC device with any carrier) I need you (and anyone else who feels like helping out please, please, please!) to please do the following:
Go to your World Clock and add the following two cities; Muscat, Oman and Tashkent, Uzbekistan. These two cities should be 1 (one) hour apart with Tashkent being one hour later. If they are not, your World Clock is probably completely absent the GMT+5 time zone.
I would be sincerely grateful to anyone who would take the time to give this a shot and let me know the result. This would be beneficial in that I would gain the knowledge of how wide-spread this issue is. While we’re at it, perhaps we could, in light of the degree of research and amount of helpfulness of Leslie’s response, come up with a title for her. So far I’ve come up with:
Vice Minister of Propaganda
Deflection Department Associate
Assistant to the Elimination of Complaints Department
Assistant to the Regional Manager (Only funny to those who follow the U.S. sitcom “The Office”)
Moderator
With respect and gratitude,
Dave
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Dave,
Indeed the way your wrote did not convey your message very clearly and wasn't humorous to me at all. I suggest that you do not use your "yankee-cinisim" here at XDA; since people like me may not get it. Though i accept your apology. ( Sarcasm is wasted when used over text. ).
Regarding my suggestion to you, regarding the use of google ( wonder why you typed goggle ? ); i don't find it anything like a scolding? It was meant to help you solve your problem.
Now you had posted in the Windows D&H General forum ( not the software development forum ) and that the rules clearly state is meant for
The Development & Hacking Section is open for users to post there contributions (application/themes/software) to the XDA Community, and is open only for this reason. Any post which does not do this, makes searching for a specific application or theme impossible.
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not general question & answers; no matter how important the question may be.
Regarding you questioning my intentions of helping users here at XDA, i do not need to prove it to you and do not appreciate the comment you made.
We moderators are here to help run the Forum smoothly on voluntary initiatives, so if we did not intend to help other members why would we be here at all ?.
I suggest you do not question the intentions or functioning of a MOD.
Dave, seriously there is no need to use phrases like " i openly challenge you/ I am publicly calling you out. " it falls under the category of flaming here, and flaming is against the Rules.
Now, just to help you i can confirm that in my world clock the time differnce between Muscat, Oman & Tashkent, Uzbekistan is 2 Hours ( Tashkent being ahead ) not 1 hour as it should be ( i checked google for the real times ).
If you are talking about the clock which is found on Sense interface/ Titanium interface it is certainly developed/written by HTC ( with customizations done by carriers ), Micrsoft respectively. And you possibly can not find that information on the internet.
If you are talking about some 3rd party clock; nobody can really help you.
I again repeat myself cool-down, get rid of your frustration and then post again.
Consider this a warning.
madnish30.
Dear Madish30,
You have been extremely helpful and I sincerely appreciate your selfless effort on my behalf. This makes a huge difference as you have been the first to verify that this anomaly is not confined to my Tilt 2, my service carrier, or even any particular variant of the TouchPro2. I believe through forums like this I will soon learn the scope of this issue. For this reason, and with information gained here, I intend to again appeal to HTC for a simple fix. Other cities affected include:
Dushanbe, Tajikistan
Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan
Chardzhou, Turkmenistan
Islamabad & Karachi, Pakistan
There are probably many others, but these are the ones I checked in a search to get the correct time displayed on my device while in Tashkent. This is very annoying and difficult to work around as I’ve found that the time on the today screen does not automatically adjust in most of the countries I travel to outside of the U.S. even if the network is 3G. I usually have to select the city as the default manually from the world time menu. This is not a big deal, but when I selected Tashkent, I discovered that the time was wrong. No problem I thought, I’ll just select another city of similar longitude. I can’t find any cities in the database with a correct GMT+5 local time. I can change the time of any selected city, but this changes the displayed time of ALL cities.
Additionally, assuming that someone is going to have to write a fix for this issue anyhow, it is slightly annoying that the most important time zone that I use, GMT or Zulu Time, is not available as a selectable city. Many industries (to include the entirety of the aviation industry) use this as a base or reference time for everything. Call it Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), Coordinated Universal Time (CUT), or Zulu – it makes no difference. Every other world time program, to include the clock in the bottom right of your Windows computer, contains this as a selectable option.
As you are probably aware, when one contacts customer service their fix for everything is always to reinstall the rom. This is a lot of work, and obviously will not affect this issue.
Sincere Thanks,
Dave
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When I slide out the keyboard and type the lights go out on the keyboard within a second or two of a pause. Is there any way to make the lights stay on longer ??
I know your happy about your new wizard. But its enough with the questions.
Use the search function, like everyone elese.
About the keyboard let me say it is possible, do a search
Thanks for your kindness Weezy; I do not know about you but My job keeps me very busy, you know-job? Weezy? I have limited time to play here and I looked for a wile but thought that's what this forum was about- to ask for help. How do you know how much time I spent looking any way? It's possible I missed the answer to my question, then what-? Not everyone may have the time you have decided what is propper to search here first before asking questions. I hung out on Treo forums for 18 months and saw tons of others and myself ask many questions and never saw any one told to stop with the questions. I do not like you to much Weezy, you have taken a very fun experience for me and others in my office who are keeping up on this with me and have tryed to turn us all off about this forum and our new 8125's. Three of us bought them but only I am doing the research for us all. I could have all the others ask questions to, would that make you happy? Sorry to the others about being gruff but I thought we all had a common bond to share here. I'm not going to stop asking questions. I do not like being pushed around.
I own my business so I have to sit down and get on the computer when there aren't any customers I need to take care of. :wink:
And what your doing is breaking the FIRST rule of the forum. Let me make it faster for you, and paste it here for you.
1. Check if something hasn't been asked before
Some questions just keep popping up over and over. Please use the 'search' function in the menu above each and every page in the forum. Try entering a few keywords to see if your question has been asked before. If it has, please read the topics and see if you can figure it our from there.
(We acknowledge that part of the problem is that we never created a well-organized system of FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) documents. But then we're doing lots of cutting-edge stuff, and we'd rather build cool tools than work on perfecting FAQs.)
I own my business so I have to sit down and get on the computer when there aren't any customers I need to take care of. :wink:
And what your doing is breaking the FIRST rule of the forum. Let me make it faster for you, and paste it here for you.
1. Check if something hasn't been asked before
Some questions just keep popping up over and over. Please use the 'search' function in the menu above each and every page in the forum. Try entering a few keywords to see if your question has been asked before. If it has, please read the topics and see if you can figure it our from there.
(We acknowledge that part of the problem is that we never created a well-organized system of FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) documents. But then we're doing lots of cutting-edge stuff, and we'd rather build cool tools than work on perfecting FAQs.)
Talk about waste of bandwidth, weezy you are a waste. I guess 41 posts make you the big man here. I sure hope you have no interests in this web site or I would never have donated money. You are clearly wrong and to rebut as you did instead of offering help shows your integrity and willingness to help. It seems you are trying to be big man on campus, maybe in hopes to get some ware. That is not the way to do it so grow up. So when it comes to me and my posts let those that I give my money to tell me what to do here not you. As we tell people at work that try to have a say ware they do not belong" you do not sign my pay check". So weezy mind your own business.
You can get tempermental huh. I been here before you heard of Windows Mobile. It just that I switched to Treo because I was dealing with Palms at the time. I was just like you and doubted the search button. I didnt post the first I signed up here. Hey, if I didn't tell you about the search button, so one else would.
Hope you get your keyboard working :lol:
Hint, its with include in your search keyword : registry
zac123- have you found fix for key light timing - have a refurb 8125 for month and have same issue - pain in neck on train to work at 5am - have many questions and find no answers, need to post when have more time - have done extensive search on this site and others and find no fix - attempts to call phone mfgr from number given to me from my service provider are waste of time, calls go to S.Africa and have constant disconnects - keep up good work with questions, they bring out the insane and every site needs a good laugh - ask many questions and do not let the insane bother you, just laugh - need to register with pay pal when have time, want to donate - please reply
It right there in the wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweaks_Other
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout = 30 (DWORD decimal)
(This key only works on Wizard and Universal)
if you'd used the time to UTFS instead of flaming on weezy correcting your ignorance of forum ettiquete, you would have found the question had been asked dozens of times, but anyways, it won't work:
Change the keyboard backlight duration
To change the duration of the keyboard backlight, you can set (example is 30 seconds):
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout = 30 (DWORD decimal)
Please note that this may not work on some devices. One such notable exception is the HTC Wizard.
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if you'd used the time to UTFS instead of flaming on weezy correcting your ignorance of forum ettiquete, you would have found the question had been asked dozens of times, but anyways, it won't work:
Change the keyboard backlight duration
To change the duration of the keyboard backlight, you can set (example is 30 seconds):
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout = 30 (DWORD decimal)
Please note that this may not work on some devices. One such notable exception is the HTC Wizard.
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I don't think it work on the 1.8 rom, what rom are you using? And Thank You Marcski
Weezy you are pretty smart, you new just ware to go with this. Zac123 should listen to you. I'm sorry about my post to zac123 about insane people. I wish i would have come back sooner to try your fix out. I been working on this for a month now, I will do it now. I alrady have PHM reg edit installed, this wll be easy. I chose New DWORD Value / value name I made QKeyLedTimeout and value I set to 30 and chose OK. Then it showes up under name as QKeyLedTimeout and under Data as 30(0x00001e) Unfortunately this did not fix the issue. i see that Marcski says it wont work, you guys are pretty smart. I guess it is time to give up. O well.... Maybe I will keep pestering cingular instead of you guys. Thanks any way weezy and Marcski.
Thanks, but I didn't find this registry edit. I remeber I used a cleaned rom, and it work, but I haven't applied the hack since I upgraded to the official 2.6 rom
I have a wizard with the 2.26 Molski ROM, but on earlier versions it didn't work either..
Thanks marcski, I made my self known at My service provider with this issue. We have a very large corporation that uses them so I have my corporate tek support rep checking for a firmware upgrade or something to fix this problem.I'm going to search here more now for a firmware upgrade, I read someware else there is an unofficial release of one. I hope I can find it, there is so much on this site and I have trouble with the search engine.
here's a hint to a good rom, its by molski.
Here's the link
http://www.molski.biz/
Or just go the Wizard Update forum, plenty of roms for the wizard and 8125. Search for mr clean rom to, its pretty.
I myself use the official t-mo rom 2.6
You can update the rom and do a hard reset, and when it get to the part where it say's "install customization" press the reset button on the side, and it won't install those ugly carrier customization
here's a hint to a good rom, its by molski.
Here's the link
http://www.molski.biz/
Or just go the Wizard Update forum, plenty of roms for the wizard and 8125. Search for mr clean rom to, its pretty.
I myself use the official t-mo rom 2.6
You can update the rom and do a hard reset, and when it get to the part where it say's "install customization" press the reset button on the side, and it won't install those ugly carrier customization
It's been a wile since my last post but i want to have some info so I could contribute something to this web site. I have researched extensively the keyboard light timing issue with the 8125 and I do not have good news. I have some phone numbers here that any one may use to call and check on there own about the info I am posting. I was on the phone for 65 minuts with a few different tech support agents wile they tested there own 8125's and researched the issue. They all said the light timing is controlled by a capassitor that once fired has a discharge rate of it's own that can no be controled by any firmware upgrade or registery entry. They said this then is a hardware issue therefore it ca not be addressed. These are the phone numbers; 713-774-7888 is for the main offices and 877-878-6944 was for opperational questions and 888-354-2375 was for repair and technical support. The last # was ware I got all this info today. So now I am going to put this issue to rest and just get used to the phone the way it is. I have been customizing it with different software, such as Handy Switcher- PocketPC Batter Monitor- Phm Registery Editor- IM-Pluss- SPB-Backup and WiFiFOFum wi-fi sniffer. I find all these programs very helpful, some I have already purchased and some I am waiting for another pay day. My next two projects are to find out why the first Hot Sync never works and comes up with an error making me unplug the phone and start over, then it syncs up fine. Then I need to find some king of Java application to install that will allow me to watch my live traffic cams like I did on my Treo 650. This has all been fun work so far.
In my sigfile below, you can see what I am currently running on my T-Mobile Wing.
The XDA site, for a long time, has been incredible in terms of specific app development, ROMs, etc. But I am now looking for "the next step": Total configuration recommendations: specific recs on which apps to use together with which ROMs on a given device, to achieve a user's most important usability functions and requirements.
I am going to layout the current issues I have been having problems with, mention my priority requirements, and I'm seeking recs on a smart configuration suite that begins with the ROM, includes recs on the overall interface and app launcher, down to specific APP recommendations to best meet my needs.
I think it would be great to eventually create, for all phone models, a series of consumer-end-user "Configuration Profiles", so right now, this is a first request: Help me optimize my T-Mobile Wing for how I want to use it.
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My current configuration:
ROM: OpenTouch 6.5 by ttran001
INTERFACE & APPLICATION LAUNCHER: iFonz 1.1.2 by ssj5trunks
BASIC PHONECALL FUNCTIONS:supbro's iDialer + iContact (via larna)
SOFT KEYBOARD: PCM Keyboard by tene w/ iPhone theme by 2manyphones /
PRIMARY BROWSER: Opera Mini (strengths: Speed, lightweight. Weakness: data input is 2-step process; no copy & paste of web content)
SECONDARY BROWSERS: Opera Mobile (but for some reason the SIP is always overriding my preference, and going back to Windows soft keyboard). Skyfire (great for Youtube; lacks setting your own startpage URL), NetFront (I think their zoom/context scroller is fantastic)
MUSIC PLAYER: A_C's s2p
VIDEO PLAYER: for YouTube videos I use Skyfire Browser; otherwise YouTubePlay by milesmowbray
PHOTO VIEWER/EDITOR/SLIDESHOW A_C's s2v and HTC Album
FILE EXPLORER: Total Commander (has drag & drop!)
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I am having compatibility problems, and I can't seem to troubleshoot the conflict sources. So it's time for a new ROM install, and rebuild my suite of apps. I'm hoping I can get a few recs on ROMS, application launchers, dialers.
USABILITY REQUIREMENTS: I am a power user, but not a techie. I currently have been using iFonz, have liked it a lot. Large target areas for finger navigation is very impt to me, especially when driving. Any of the basic windows soft key areas, scrollbars, OK button, Top-bar icons are not big enough, creating for me constant flow of mistakes and "stalls" in completing just the baseline functions of "Speakerphone On/Off", Hide Keypad/Show keypad etc.
If I had my way I would never have to touch any aspect of the Windows Mobile Interface.. but alas, that is not yet a reality. But getting closer day by day, example: supbro just today released a "green button" app that ties his iDialer app to the windows default dialer. A major breakthrough in usability.
What's Impt to me and Not Impt to me: (for Recommendations' sake):
NOT IMPT: I never run games, don't care. Weather is nice, but not impt. SMS and MMS are lo priority for me, I rarely use them.
MOST IMPT:
1. Basic phone functions, that allow me to take the phone out of my pocket and not end up accidentally ending the call before even getting the phone to my ear. Similarly, not having something accidentally trigger DIALING A FRIEND's NUMBER, or last redial. Big large phone dialpad, with large phone number display, bullet-proof "speakerphone on/off", bullet-proof "SAVE TO CONTACTS" without all the windows mobile backflips of "select Save to Contacts" then do I press "NEW CONTACT" or what? Just terrible usability design. Easy to find REDIAL.
2. Contacts: Contact manager with THUMBNAIL PHOTOS list, jump to alphabet letter, LARGE target area for finger to tap-and-dial in 1-step, not going to a detail screen to select WHICH number, or do I want to send email or SMS.
3. MP3 player: big obvious target area for volume control, and timeline slider, next song, etc. Integration with hard keys for next song, pause, mute. (S2u2 already does this, but there are still some squirrely problems, which create that dreaded problem of wanting to turn it off asap but no, gotta do backflips to get to the interface.)
4. CLOSE ALL APPS: since the Wing has the crappy old processor of its predecessor (MDA), and limited RAM, there are always times when apps lock up, and you just want to close everthing
5. one-click WIFI ON/OFF -- I don't want to go through some cumbersome Communication Manager. When I get home to my network, or I am at a Starbucks and want to use Tmobile Hotspot, it should be a no-brainer: wifi is turned on, all available networks show by default, all in one step. Just as if I take my Macbook Pro to a cafe, click one icon, see all networks. To me it would be even greater if, when I was at a Tmobile Hotspot, 1 click would *turn on wifi, *launch Tmobile's hotspot utility
6. Voice Command, Handwriting SIP, and a bunch of other things.
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I'm hoping someone will take me up on this big-picture request. Thank you
(reserved for photos/ videos of my current configuration)
saving this space to come back and add some photos and videos that demonstrate the problems I want to solve.
You've been a member long enough to know that "Recommend a Rom" threads usually get closed.
You've done a good job listing what exactly you're looking for but still the title is along the lines of a noobie swooping in and asking for the best rom.
Where you do differ is that you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you're looking for but alas the thread title doesnt accurately reflect the depth of your post.
Honestly this sounds like the idea that launched a project. The question is will you step up and coordinate the project?
If so I would recommend you retitle this thread and take the concept to the next step.
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You've been a member long enough to know that "Recommend a Rom" threads usually get closed.
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Hey thanks for replying, kyphur. Honestly, I actually didn't know that... but hold on -- there are 2 reasons why is this. So I will explain, because my intention is not to break rules & protocols -- i have too much respect for this community:
(a) I'm actually not a regular here to see those patterns. I started with an MDA, learned how to use XDA-dev site to try to find answers, went through my initiation of asking dumb questions, getting slapped to "use search, damnit", found my way to understanding the cultuyre and rules.. but even after a year I was too scared to ever try a mod on my MDA. And it wasn't til I got my Wing that I finally jumped in to do the whole shebang -- from hardSPL, to ROM installation, etc. With great help from various members here, like papamopps. And once I get something working, I am not frequenting the site, other than for subscribed threads to Apps that are still in development that I am using -- like for example iContact and iDialer. Because I really rely upon my phone for work, and once it's doing what I need it to do, I generally am not cruising looking for "the next great thing".
I want to add, though, that inasmuch as it may sound as though I am merely a taker and not a giver, the way that I give is by donating to the app developers and ROM chefs whose products I have used. And if you ask A_C and ssj5trunks, for example, my donations are large -- as my best way to compensate back. Also, I volunteer to host websites, and for example A_C hosts part of his new site www.A2-s2.com with me -- and I am happy to be of service that way.
(b) The second reason I didn't explicitly know that was a rule here is because I tend to mostly be in the WING/Herald "silo" -- and there, the user Pureskillz is known for doing thorough Reviews of Roms -- which are amazing -- and I have asked before in threads in that section for recs on which ROM might be fastest for me to use to run iFonz, and I have gotten really helpful replies.
This is all quite different from a newbie parachuting in to say "hey guys, what should I use on my Wing, i want to have an iphone type of phone". So thank you for letting me know - i honestly did not know this was verboten
You've done a good job listing what exactly you're looking for but still the title is along the lines of a noobie swooping in and asking for the best rom.
Where you do differ is that you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you're looking for but alas the thread title doesnt accurately reflect the depth of your post.
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Gotcha. Okay, I will go rename it: How would this sound?
Request: Suggested Apps for configuring my T-Mobile Wing for specific functions
I don't know if that's any better... but
Honestly this sounds like the idea that launched a project. The question is will you step up and coordinate the project?
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Actually, this is exactly part of what I want to do, but on a "clean page" so as to give newbies an easier pathway IN to understanding what is even AVAILABLE to them. But my interest is in mainstream users, not so much in the tricked-out overclocked custom registry code-writing userbase. Because to me, the whole site in its entirety is geared for those users.
So yes, I am wanting to create a website that places a mainstream-friendly "front end" to this amazing knowledge-base. All links would be attributed and linked to the actual XDA threads. But I want to provide capsule summaries that help users understand where they are being sent, and how they should approach a "Release" thread... What they can expect, the protocols for asking for help, etc.
So yes, I have given a lot of thought to what I think, as a Usability and Information Designer, is a huge gap between mainstream phione users who are finding out about XDA for first time -- largely thru YouTube videos which kinda blow their minds -- because its functionality is so beyond what is marketed to them as possible via carriers like (in USA) T-Mobile, AT&T, etc -- and the ability to comprehend this site -- which is gargantuan in nature, and a maze of complexity for a newbie.
Let me give a very tangible example: I would bet you that probably less than 1% of the users of Windows Mobile in the USA, who are using for example, the T-Mobile Wing, have any idea at all that they can get for free GPS location tracking on their phones, right now, today, just by using Google Maps. It's not ever presented to users. So you have this huge population of people who have a truly awesome function available for their phones right now -- that they have no idea is the case.
I was just discussing this in San Francisco the other day with the Product Development Manager at Google for the Google Maps product line.
So: re stepping up to the plate: one of the parts I have in mind is to help facilitate the assembly of -- the creation of -- these "Configuration Profiles" which would seek to create common function-sets that certain types of users would likely say "YES, THAT ONE, that's matches the kinds of things I am looking for.
So, with that in mind, I wanted to try it out here, and see if this would be something users here would support as being worthwhile, or more of just a pain in the ass. And, the timing is such that I really have had more and more problems having my Wing function effectively, and I know from my own experiences that the selection of a ROM is really quite critical to building the suite of apps & functionality I desire.
If so I would recommend you retitle this thread and take the concept to the next step.
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I am fine with your deleting the thread if it really isn't appropriate for the site. I was looking very carefully for where to post this, and this seemed like the best place. What are your thoughts?
thank you.
@ quicksite
The concept sounds great. I agree with you in that many people want functionality but who dont have the technical knowledge, (or want it initially) but who wish to maximise their devices usefulness. They also may not want to risk damaging something they have just paid £500 for. How many times have i had my friends come upto me and say, how did you do that? can i have it? can you do it for me? haha....
Whilst some may say this is not in the spirit of xda as one should not venture into the depths of winmo without technical knowledge, i believe it adheres to its basic principles and that xda should continue in its evolvement (sorry my spelling is crap today); the more the members the greater the knowledge.
Whilst i only have a Polaris and Prophet, i would be interested in this dev project as it could encompass all devices. It would benefit xda in that noobies who dont or cant get to grasp with the technicalities have somewhere (one place) to "glorify" their device. I think once the new members have blinged their device, their interest and curiousity expands... "mm i wonder what else i can do". THis leads to further reading and learning and such new blood and knowledge can only be of benefit.
Count me in.
@quick site
Sounds like you want to either get into cooking your own rom, or should grab an ultralite rom and install everything you want.
You may want to try task facade for a task manager. everything pops up with a large screenshot and to close apps you just have to long hold them.
You can set task facade to a hardbutton (or if your hardbuttons are all full you can use hbutton which allows you to map several programs to one key)
An introductory video example: to orient a new user
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@ quicksite
The concept sounds great. I agree with you in that many people want functionality but who dont have the technical knowledge, (or want it initially) but who wish to maximise their devices usefulness. They also may not want to risk damaging something they have just paid £500 for. How many times have i had my friends come upto me and say, how did you do that? can i have it? can you do it for me? haha....
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Thanks for replying. ... Here's the video I recently added to YouTube just to show in a non-technical way WHAT one could do on their T-Mobile Wing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSc0Qz8tf_c
As I told the Google Maps Mobile product manager, I don't think a tiny fraction of people know about the GPS functioning just via Google Maps usage. This video would not appeal to the vast majority of XDA Members, however, because it is meant to be a soft-introduction to "outsiders", vs an information-packed walk-through or installation guide.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSc0Qz8tf_c
Whilst some may say this is not in the spirit of xda as one should not venture into the depths of winmo without technical knowledge, i believe it adheres to its basic principles and that xda should continue in its evolvement (sorry my spelling is crap today); the more the members the greater the knowledge.
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My area of professional expertise is usability design, consumer content design, information design. I spent over a year getting the feel of XDA site before I jumped in to try to mod my Wing. I learned the culture, realized there were LOTS of preliminary things which I had no idea about, and had to first assemble a macro knowledge set up: what is Hardl SPL, what is an RUU, what is a radio rom, does a ROM have Windows Mobile OS in it? If so, Is it a legal license? what does "brick my phone" mean? ... I went to the Herald wiki, I saw guides for noobs to read, I read them, but then circular questions like: "Be sure to read XXXXX's great guide to flashing"... So I read this guide, many of them, and they'll say "be sure to make sure whether you have version x or version y; if X, never Hard SPL, if Y, it's okay; then a thread "Hard SPL working on WING!", then more guides how to Hard SPL your phone. Then you're supposed to pick a ROM.
If you ask for advice, you're told "start reading; everyone has different needs". SO you read up, use search, end up on a thread you think applies to ROMS for your phone, only to be 12 pages into the thread before you grasp the concept that this thread and this ROM is only for an HTC Himalaya. ANd it's completely irrelevant to my quest.
But senior people here would say "It's obvious, you were in the wrong area; look at the wiki, it has a list of phones, only search for ROMS for that phone"... but some ROMS are for many phones. Anyone, this is nothing new to those experienced with XDA. And I understand the frustration of senior members who keep posting stickies to help Newbies prep properly and not just dive in to ask "how do I get iphone on by HTC Touch?" etc.
But as can be seen very clearly from THIS SEMINAL THREAD, "Let People Ask Whatever They Like", that there is a culture "war" developing on XDA between those who feel adamantly: this site is for tinkerers, and if you've come just to get "kewl" stuff for your phone, you're in the wrong place. While other senior members are adamantly in the other corner of "why not help people? So what if they ask stupid questions? Just move on, ignore them, you don't need to chastise everyone."
Whilst i only have a Polaris and Prophet, i would be interested in this dev project as it could encompass all devices. It would benefit xda in that noobies who dont or cant get to grasp with the technicalities have somewhere (one place) to "glorify" their device. I think once the new members have blinged their device, their interest and curiousity expands... "mm i wonder what else i can do". THis leads to further reading and learning and such new blood and knowledge can only be of benefit.
Count me in.
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This is nice to hear. The biggest problem with any knowledge base is in formation design. Despite the wiki, despite the sticky threads, despite the SIG LINES with links to Help Guides, despite the warnings, it is my professional opinion that this spectacular knowledge-base called XDA-Developers, is like a big tinker-toy project with new arms constantly being added, and nodes that even everyday users don't even know about, because they are specialized areas for particular phones etc. And now there is a whole new initiative ( A GREAT ONE!) to develop for the Android platform.
To me, creating some landing pages that help orient newcomers without overloading them with a huge maze of a dense site -- helps everyone:
* for sure helps the newbie
* helps the senior members (who will see yet another 100 threads open per day with same old new questions) from having to constantly look at "101" type questions.
* helps the software authors in getting donations for their works by more easily shuttling newcomers to the specific kinds of apps they have been looking for.
I think we are seeing a crossroads right now, with the launch of the Apple Apps store, the Android Apps store, Blackberry's store, and Windows' expected entry (what's it called, Skyapps ?)... Critical mass has now been reached in the marketplace for owners of toucscreen devices to now embrace specialized apps and functions that fit specific needs, and manufacturers and carriers are finally figuring this out. XDA sits is a very unusual place amongst all this, given the open-source spirited "knowledge-share & donate" philosophy of the site. I think there will be longtime veteran members here who will not be happy with influxes of even MORE news trying to get the latest & greatest. I just believe the dam has broken, and it might be good to filter newcomers and orient them (my interest), vs having them flood in and irritate the **** out of the people who built this community...
Sorry for the lenghts of these posts. I'm just wanting to be clear.
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@quick site
Sounds like you want to either get into cooking your own rom, or should grab an ultralite rom and install everything you want.
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Thanks. Yes, that's what I have done to date. I started with a PapaMopps ROM, then moved to an OpenTouch ROM, and now am trying to consider WHICH ultralite woud work best for my configuration. It's these snags like dialers that confound me. AND which topbar is overriding another -- for exmaple, when iFonz is in use, it overrides the top bar with access to windows start logo, etc.
You may want to try task facade for a task manager. everything pops up with a large screenshot and to close apps you just have to long hold them.
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Thank you for the rec. i will search for Task Facade.
I also just found WkTask from a thread here at XDA -- and tried it out. Now THAT's what I'm looking for... but again, it's the conflcit with apps or interfaces that overlay that top bar so that it is not a constant.
You can set task facade to a hardbutton (or if your hardbuttons are all full you can use hbutton which allows you to map several programs to one key)
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Ahh, I never new until now about Hbutton. That's exactly what I need! I will search for it too. I am guessing it is context sensitive -- and offers a different default action depending on which app is the one in use?
thanks very much.
@ quicksite
Assume you are going to set up your own site for this project or is this something you are going to do on xda? im interested in assisting in this in which ever direction you want this to go, so let me know and i will find some time and buy some more coffee....
I'm not sure quite what you want to achieve, but I think what you want is a less technical (i.e. suitable for normal people) way to access the information here.
This sub forum was brought about because it was decided that new users probably wouldn't have a huge technical knowledge, so it woul be better to let them ask about "what's x" somewhere where people want to help rather than hack. So in a sense, this sub forum goes part way to achieving that.
Developers at XDA.
I’m sure many of you have heard of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Over the past week I’ve become involved and have determined that there is a need that could most efficiently be met through technology and since I know little of developing I’m looking for some assistance.
Here is the problem:
Protesters are not allowed to communicate with a PA system. This means that when we try to organize we need to scream everything out to each other and pass the message along. As you can image, in the game of telephone things get distorted and misunderstood. We need some way to relay messages to anyone who needs it quickly.
Solution:
I believe that an app would be the best way to facilitate this. While there could be updates online, that’s slow and requires people who want to post something online to go to the blog. It also means that we would have to constantly check. It also means that someone would have to type long messages in through a touch screen. Not efficient.
My Idea is for the app comes from seeing the app Coco voice for the iphone. It’s a service where you can speak into your phone and like a text message it sends that vocal message to said recipient. Now if you took that same kind of recording idea, and instead of sending it directly to a phone number, uploaded it to a main server and people subscribed to that specific “group” (or what have you) would receive a push notification about a new message. Then everyone would be able to get important information about what’s happening, what we’re doing. And especially where to avoid clashes with police. A text element for quick messages would also be great.
What’s in it for you:
1) You’d be helping a movement that hopefully you believe in.
2) The use of this application could go far beyond just this movement. It’s sort of vocal tweeting phone to phone. Subscribe to a group and be informed. People could record a cut of a song and send it directly or just say hello to all your loved ones at once while on vacation. This is a legitimate idea that has widespread application.
3) This will quickly become one of the more downloaded apps. There were 15-20,000 people at the NYC protest last night. The protests are also sprouting up in over 10 different cities across the US. Then there will be people that just want to know what happening. An immediate wide audience to launch the application and gain publicity.
4) You will get mad props
Is there anyone out there who is willing to put in some time in helping to develop an application to help facilitate communication among protesters? This would have to be a free app at least until the protests are over. Preferably it would be both iOs and android compatible. Please let me know so we can talk through some ideas, specifics, timelines, and what not.
Also let me know if you think this is possible or not. Or if you have any other good ideas. Let’s get this moving.
ps - let's try to keep this from getting political. We do not need to argue about the protest here. If you are interested great help out, if not then just move on to the next thread. Thanks in advance.
LoL. Really? What are you end goals? What do you want changed? Who makes the rules?
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ps - let's try to keep this from getting political. We do not need to argue about the protest here. If you are interested great help out, if not then just move on to the next thread. Thanks in advance.
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LoL. Really? What are you end goals? What do you want changed? Who makes the rules?
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Did you miss that part?
Russ T. Nail said:
Developers at XDA.
I’m sure many of you have heard of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Over the past week I’ve become involved and have determined that there is a need that could most efficiently be met through technology and since I know little of developing I’m looking for some assistance.
Here is the problem:
Protesters are not allowed to communicate with a PA system. This means that when we try to organize we need to scream everything out to each other and pass the message along. As you can image, in the game of telephone things get distorted and misunderstood. We need some way to relay messages to anyone who needs it quickly.
Solution:
I believe that an app would be the best way to facilitate this. While there could be updates online, that’s slow and requires people who want to post something online to go to the blog. It also means that we would have to constantly check. It also means that someone would have to type long messages in through a touch screen. Not efficient.
My Idea is for the app comes from seeing the app Coco voice for the iphone. It’s a service where you can speak into your phone and like a text message it sends that vocal message to said recipient. Now if you took that same kind of recording idea, and instead of sending it directly to a phone number, uploaded it to a main server and people subscribed to that specific “group” (or what have you) would receive a push notification about a new message. Then everyone would be able to get important information about what’s happening, what we’re doing. And especially where to avoid clashes with police. A text element for quick messages would also be great.
What’s in it for you:
1) You’d be helping a movement that hopefully you believe in.
2) The use of this application could go far beyond just this movement. It’s sort of vocal tweeting phone to phone. Subscribe to a group and be informed. People could record a cut of a song and send it directly or just say hello to all your loved ones at once while on vacation. This is a legitimate idea that has widespread application.
3) This will quickly become one of the more downloaded apps. There were 15-20,000 people at the NYC protest last night. The protests are also sprouting up in over 10 different cities across the US. Then there will be people that just want to know what happening. An immediate wide audience to launch the application and gain publicity.
4) You will get mad props
Is there anyone out there who is willing to put in some time in helping to develop an application to help facilitate communication among protesters? This would have to be a free app at least until the protests are over. Preferably it would be both iOs and android compatible. Please let me know so we can talk through some ideas, specifics, timelines, and what not.
Also let me know if you think this is possible or not. Or if you have any other good ideas. Let’s get this moving.
ps - let's try to keep this from getting political. We do not need to argue about the protest here. If you are interested great help out, if not then just move on to the next thread. Thanks in advance.
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What about a tweeter like app? But instead of status updates in text they are mp3s or wav files
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mohsinkhan47 said:
What about a tweeter like app? But instead of status updates in text they are mp3s or wav files
Sent from my Sensation 4g using XDA App
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I think that would work as well. Definitely open to suggestions that might make this easier for developers. Ant interest?
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LoL. Really? What are you end goals? What do you want changed? Who makes the rules?
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I would love to talk to you about this, but this is not the right place for that discussion. Pm me if you actually have interest, I have real answers. I just know this forum was not made for this purpose so I won't do it here.
It would be very honorable for some Devs to spend a little bit of time on this. I could see this app on headlines. Would be a good way for some Dev to get exposure too.
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You guys are on fark....
www.fark.com/comments/6626162
Hello all! I'm new to this wonderful forum and community so please spare me if I've done, or said anything stupid. :crying:
I am interesting in developing applications for Android. I do understand that developing apps for any device/software is a challenging task. Especially with Android (I think) since it's such a diverse amount of devices, screen resolutions, capabilities, etc. What I'm hoping to do is to build a somewhat simple app, targeted at business owners, or folks who sell merchandise, and so on. It's supposed to have tabs set up for certain folks/companies. I'll spare the details about the app I want to make. Bottom line is, I want to start off with that 'simple' app and move on to a game for my second app. I know that I won't be a huge hit or any of the sort. But before I begin to develop, I have some questions that I hope can be answered here.
Here are my questions, please be patient with me, and to all mods/admins, I'm sorry if I've violated any rules by posting this up. I couldn't find any decent answers that'll help me out.
1. What Operating System is considered to be "better" for developing Android apps, and why?
2. How do I go on testing my app, do I use my own phone, or are there any great emulators out there that can emulate/simulate a real phone very well?
3. Where would you recommend me, a complete noob, on developing? I know I can look this up on my own, so I don't mind if this question isn't answered. I just want to find some guides that actually explain why things were done, what it's supposed to teach and so on.
4. This question is the one that worries me the most, and I understand it might start some debate () so please, be respectful. :laugh: I'm not a legal US resident, citizen, or any of the sort. I'm currently seeing a lawyer to apply for Deferred Action. But I'm worried that it might be illegal for me to publish apps on the Google Play store. /: Does anybody know if it's it legal for a 16 year old, illegal immigrant (USA) to publish apps on the app store?
Sorry guys, I really want to know. >.< So... BUMP
Hi Everyone, long time reader, modder, flasher, 0 time poster:.
I just wanted to get a gauge on the community's attitude towards hacking a paid application. Not for the intent of making it free, but for the intent of making it work!
You see, There's an app out there called "Escort Live!". Don't get me wrong, it's a great app as it integrates with your radar detector and laser jammers while driving... but it's rife with issues that the company just hasn't been able to address... see the following forum for more information on that:
I can't outside link yet due to the post count, but you can find all of the issues on escort live! for android's forums. I'm sure you can google them.
So... I made a post to try and help the community out by decompiling the 2.04apk hosted on their site... not even their latest version... with Virtuous 10 Studios, and Informed the community of the Sloppy Dev work, and that I would try to fix the issues with our specific phones (Motorola based).
2 days after that post was made...
I get permanently banned. no reason given.
They then pulled the old .apk's off of their site, so I've conveniently uploaded it to mega upload so everyone can see the crappy dev work for themselves... again... can't post links yet, but if someone with a post count pms me I'll send it to them.
I don't have enough of a post count to make a dev project out of this yet either, but as soon as I do then I'll post the progress on of the project on github.
If anyone would like to join in the effort to give PAYING CUSTOMERS a functioning apk to use with their phones... volunteers are more than welcome, especially those with java / xml experience.
I have a wordpress site that I can't link here, but it's my first name Philip Last Name Cabibi at wordpress if you're interested in tracking the issue with the full links.
market link
From a technical standpoint the app is free (with premium subscription options) and I can only assume there's some sort of verification process for that subscription so as long as that's kept in I would think this is certainly acceptable though I'm not sure what your post actually said
did find this though (basically just talks about it and then links here and the blog) relevant post on his blog is here
@ University of Pi...
You are correct... It's a free app; however, in order to all the app to connect with your escort compatible radar detector, one must purchase a separate cord, and pay for a yearly subscription of about 79.95.
Full disclosure: the management at escort has been nothing but professional, and have extended the subscription of the beta testers for another year as a result of all the bugs.
The problem though is the lack of updates. Alot of us have invested alot of money into the app. Cost of Radar detector, Cost of the special chord, plus the cost of the subscription. New users, unfortunately, don't get the benifit of the extended subscription.
The point is... is that users of certain phones, paid for a product, and the product isn't functioning correctly. The reasons for this are the sub-standard programming of the devs. No notation on the methods in the smali files, poorly designed xml arrays, cryptic variable definitions, etc.
Personally, I feel as if the management have no control over the fixing of the problems, and are handcuffed, because the initial developer purposefully made the program extremely difficult for a new developer to come in and fix the issues, as a result of the poor structure of the program itself.
Anyway, glad to see you found those links... Thank you... didn't know that another thread was made requesting information about what happened to the original thread (they are correct, I in no way posted the entire source code of the program on their site) What I did was point out the flaws, and logcat results that tell a completely different story regarding the root issues effecting motorola devices than what the devs have told management, and as a result, what management has in turn relayed to the users.
Unfortunately, I can't follow up in the forum as I am permanently banned, but I, and many others, really just want the program to work correctly. It's an excellent concept and it's a shame that Escort is resorting to these types of tactics in an attempt to prevent the open source community from improving their product.
I'm sure even with the improvements, a subscription fee would still be required; however, the original concept of the OP was to convey the fact that it's possible for the open source community to bypass the "premium features".
I don't condone this; however, it's a difficult pill to swallow when faced between choosing the ethical choice.... paying the yearly subscription for a poorly functioning app... or sideloading a fully functioning app created by an open source community because the official developers aren't making any progress.
Would any other senior devs on this site wish to chime in on this?
You should have never been banned from there...but hey...no good deed goes unpunished right?
I've had EL for quite some time and it's irritating to no end to see how flawed it is. It's a shame that they won't welcome help and instead act that way toward people trying to do something good for them.
Hacking and posting an app that uses paid services is considered warez and will not allowed to be posted here nor will any help be given in doing so.