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Hi all,
I thought it would be good to have a thread that compares Touch Pro to Hermes.
For those who have a Touch Pro and have had a Hermes please share with us your thoughts on speed, use of keyboard, reception, battery and anything else you care to mention.
Well, there's way more RAM/ROM. The Raphael also has GPS, 5 row keyboard, VGA 2.8 screen, and a much better camera. There's a lot more but that's just the giss of things.
Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
Mrjasjam said:
Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
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Definitely, much better performance, especially coming from a Hermes. The numbers aren't just numbers, they represent qualities of the hardware
i tried the tilt and honestly even with more ram and rom didnt notice a huge difference
has anyone tried out pocketcm on a touch pro yet? interested in how that runs with skyfire and a few other things at the same time
From what i've heard, Skyfire doesn't run well with the phone all in all. You'll notice the RAM/ROM difference when you have more things open in the background.
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From what i've heard, Skyfire doesn't run well with the phone all in all. You'll notice the RAM/ROM difference when you have more things open in the background.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
Black93300ZX said:
Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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LOL, well guess who i heard all of this off of..i wonder?
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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no no he solved that problem
if you start it in landscape its fine
but if you slide it either way while its running it messes up
im just hoping a vga version comes out by the time the phone is out
but he said it still looks great on the screen
but ya on my 8525 just having wmp open and anything else stutters im gona love the new one
kareem9nba said:
Well, there's way more RAM/ROM. The Raphael also has GPS, 5 row keyboard, VGA 2.8 screen, and a much better camera. There's a lot more but that's just the giss of things.
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It's gist
Mrjasjam said:
Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
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More memory, compared to the Mogul, will be the biggest factor. TouchFlo probably hurts speed some
Well I've got them both fully loaded with my usual stuff at the moment.
Hermes - 20MB RAM, 45MB Storage (most apps installed on card, would be about 10MB tops) free
Diamond - 135MB RAM, 222MB Storage free.
So no more constantly shifting apps & files to the card to keep memory clear, programs should hopefully stay loaded instead of being auo closed to free memory.
The screen, as expected is in a totally different league. Anyone who says VGA doesn't matter on such a small screen either has never used one, or has poor eyesight.
Size-wise I was worried about it being bigger than the Diamond, but fact is, it's still 35% smaller than the Hermes, so feels great in both hand and pocket. It's a little lighter but that's not too noticable. It feels a lot more solid, too.
Even after 2 years of tweaking, customising, and getting the Hermes to meet my needs as much as I can, the Touch Pro still feels a whole lot more polished and professional, even with the barely-tweaked base ROM.
Battery-wise, it's too early to tell. Ive barely had it 24 hours, but after a morning of texting, email, wifi, 3G, and an hour or so of GPS, 6 hous later it looks like I'm down to about 2/3. I wish this thing had proper battery percentages, though.
Only current issues:
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
-Find a way to replace the scrollwheel.
Absolutely a worth upgrade though, and so far, it's everything I thought it would be.
Didnt know what was gonna be next on the purchase list but I skipped the Kaiser since I couldnt justify another LARGE purchase after a years worth of Hermes, Raph is definatly on the cards when i get home (23rd August) so am glad somebody made this thread
Count me in too. I've had the Wizard and Hermes, but skipped the Kaiser. The VGA screen alone should be worth the upgrade for us!
I had all sorts problems trying to view facebook on opera mobile on the Hermes - tried several new betas of opera 9 as they came out but never did have any luck. It kept either crashing completely or coming up with out of memory errors. In the end I gave up and went to opera mini.
No such issues with the Touch Pro though, opera mobile runs very smoothly on it.
I would rather compare Raphael with Kaiser.
I owns TYTN and Kaiser so do not have plan or budget to upgrade it at the pricing peak. You know wm7 and android mobile are coming out in the end of next year so..I love raphael a lot but might just wait for a reasonable price.
mr_Ray said:
Only current issues:
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
-Find a way to replace the scrollwheel.
Absolutely a worth upgrade though, and so far, it's everything I thought it would be.
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Same issues and impressions here, + I still need to get used to lack of button and Touchflo 3D instead. It's sometimes confusing, like when using the WM background that eventually need a stylus.
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
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I turned it off by using the on-screen keyboard, which has a button for "ABC/T9". Switch it to ABC and the T9 predictive text (autocorrect) is turned off. Worked a treat for me. I (accidentally) found this option early on, so I don't know if there's another way of doing it (there probably is).
Incarniac said:
I turned it off by using the on-screen keyboard, which has a button for "ABC/T9". Switch it to ABC and the T9 predictive text (autocorrect) is turned off. Worked a treat for me. I (accidentally) found this option early on, so I don't know if there's another way of doing it (there probably is).
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Well I spent about an hour poking around in the registry when I accidentally found it too. Thanks for putting the info up for everyone else, too.
Who the hell thought that POS was a good idea anyway? It's the worst thing I've ever seen on a Windows Mobile device, and I've seen some real crud.
For those who have a Touch Pro and have had a Hermes please share with us your thoughts on speed, use of keyboard, reception, battery and anything else you care to mention.
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I come from an (Orange SPV M3100) TyTN (Hermes) to a (HTC) Touch Pro (Raphael), and so far I'd say just about everything about the phone is better:
- Size: The Raphael is smaller; when compared side by side it doesn't look like by a lot, but it's very noticeable in the hand and in the pocket.
- Weight: The Raphael felt slightly heavier in my hand than the Hermes, but to me this is nothing bad (I'd argue it feels 'better' in the hand, combined with the smaller size).
- General feel: It sits better in the hand hand the Hermes (size playing in again).
- Look: TouchFLO3D looks sweet.
- Speed: Generally faster, overall no complaints (TF3D sometimes is a bit sluggish, for no apparent reason, haven't tracked it down or done any troubleshooting, it's only happened twice).
- Battery: A bit early for me to compare, I'd say at least as good. The Hermes didn't have GPS of course.
- Reception seem about the same for me.
- Keyboard: Took a little getting used to (buttons are a little smaller and feel a little different), but once you are, it's great. Five rows and a near-full QWERTY keyboard helps a lot too. The spring loading is totally awesome
- Input methods: The on-screen keyboard options are also very good and a lot better than the on-screen options on the Hermes.
- Touch: The phone is generally much better designed for using your fingers on the screen. This has a lot to do with it not being recessed into the case. This combined with better on-screen input methods means I'm using the screen without the stylus a lot more, which again means I'm able to operate it one-handed better than the Hermes. A big plus.
- Screen: Well, what can I say. The VGA screen is just brilliant.
That's all good, right? Yep, so far, so good, but hey, I've only had it a few days
The most annoying thing for me was the backlight not coming fully on when attempting to unlock the screen - this made the screen impossible to read outdoors in almost any kind of light when trying to unlock. I'm using S2U2 which does what I want and fits my usage pattern (set it up to lock on backlight off and on, and I've always been in the habit of pressing the power button to turn of the screen when finishing anything).
Edit: I stand corrected in that the backlight is adjustable for when the device is locked: Start -> Settings -> Power -> Backlight
The second most annoying thing is that since using it one-handed a lot more than the Hermes, it can be tricky to hit the correct buttons/areas that are close to the screen edges with your fingers - including the on-screen keyboards. Sometimes random stuff happens as a result of such attempts
Another thing is the auto correction. The auto correct feature of the Raphael is T9 predictive text. For my usage, which means using a QWERTY keyboard (slide-out or on-screen), T9 makes absolutely no sense (if you use on-screen phone keypad then I can see that it might be useful, as on 'normal' phones, but when using a keyboard it needs to work differently). The Hermes had a (limited) sort of auto correction, but the way it worked seemed to make more sense to me. Don't get me wrong, it could be improved a lot.
I do miss an "OK" button on the slide-out keyboard to confirm/close applications without having to press the screen. For that matter, the "OK" button on the front of the Hermes was useful too, although with the Raphael you're clearly meant to operate it using the fingers on the screen. The only tricky bit is that "OK" is in the top right corner, making it a bit hard to hit (correctly) with your fingers.
I couldn't find the right place to put this thread, so I put it here in there general forum.
Any, I received my AT&T fuze today. I was using a BB Bold for a while, but I started missing WinMo.
Anyway, this fuze is nothing short of pathetic. My main gripe is the buttons just below the screen. The up/down/left/right buttons surronding the center button are absolutely awful. Right and especially left are almost impossible to push. Each time I try pushing the left button, I end up hitting the "home" button or "send" button. On the right, same thing, I end up pushing the back/ok button, and the end button. Its almost impossible to push the left arrow button.
I must say that BB's hardware eats any WinMo phone for dinner that I have seen. On the other hand, I like Winmo's OS much better than BB's OS.
Does anyone know of a solution for these awful buttons?
Also, I wouldn't mind changing phones. I just want a WinMo phone with TV-Out. The fuze has it. Any others?
I had an issue with the directional buttons, then realized I never had to use them ever again with a touchscreen.
They're completely pulled from the Touch Pro 2 (the Fuze is the original Touch Pro rebranded) as well as that center button, because they're kind of pointless to have on a PPC device.
The thing I hated about the Fuze was the PTT button being incredibly sensitive. I'd hit it a few hundred times a day and get the "PTT CHARGES MAY APPLY, JERKFACE" message.
I currently have an Xperia, and the only button I use is the hangup button to send me back to my home screen. Everything else just clutters the face.
your welcome
http://www.fuzemobility.com/learn-the-att-fuze-htc-touch-pro-d-pad-sweet-spot/
Thanks for the link, I will try it.
toiletduk,
Thanks, but I HATE touchscreen, I like buttons.
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bit of a bold statement don't you think? Used them all have you? Every Winmo phone? Really? You sure? Wonder how many you have actually seen?
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bit of a bold statement don't you think? Used them all have you? Every Winmo phone? Really? You sure? Wonder how many you have actually seen?
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I am 100% sure. And here is the list of the WinMo phones that I have owned:
IPaq (forgot the model) from waaaay back.
XDA Exec - Way to big
Palm Treo 750 - Was ok, but got old
AT&T Tilt Kaiser - Got old and too big
Palm Treo Pro - QWERTY keyboard was meant for baby sized fingers.
AT&T Fuze - Buttons are absolutely awful.
I think that qualifies me to have a valid opinion.
Like I said, I like the WinMo OS much better, but as for hardware, WinMo phones are awful. Mainly due to the touch screen, and now more recently that they are all trying to make pathetic imitations of the already lousy iphone.
This Fuze is absolutely loaded, and blows away almost any other phone that I have ever had features-wise. But the problem is that the buttons are so rediculously close, that it becomes very hard to use. Everything I do, I feel like I am playing the old kids game "operation". Hitting the sides is like hitting the wrong button on this phone. Whenever I speak on the phone, my face opens and closes a bunch of applications.
Why the hell do we still need styli. A trackball like blackberry would be much better.
Give me a good Winmo phone with the following, and I will buy it now!
3.5G Speed GSM that works in both US and Europe.
GPS
Wifi
Querty keyboard like palm treo (slider ok, but not if it means I have to rotate the phone sideways)
Real buttons, not flush buttons that make the phone look cool, but unusable and unpractical.
TV Out - This is the real hard to find one.
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toiletduk,
Thanks, but I HATE touchscreen, I like buttons.
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Then a PocketPC is not for you. I would suggest something like the Samsung Jack or Epix, as they're WM Standard devices.
toiletduk said:
Then a PocketPC is not for you. I would suggest something like the Samsung Jack or Epix, as they're WM Standard devices.
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I thought of that, but from what I understood (I may be wrong), the non pocket-pc versions of winmo are watered down versions, and a lot of the software doesn't work. I really liked the jack when I saw it. Any chance it has tv out?
That's really the problem.
You're not going to find TV Out on any WM Standard devices that I know of, and WM Pro is designed around use of the touchscreen. Standard is designed to compete with the Blackberry, which no models have TV Out that I know of as well. Pro is more geared to be the jack of all trades device for the end user and the corporate user.
And to correct my prior post, the Epix is a Pro device.
I was pretty anti-touchscreen for a while, but I got annoyed with scrolling around on my BlackJack II with the d-pad/wheel.
I ended up getting a Fuze for a while before I switched to an Xperia X1, and I can't really go back to a non-touchscreen device. Navigation is a lot faster with that interface, even if you're going one handed, and things become a lot less of a chore to do.
I could live with the fuse if the buttons we easier to click. Even playing Ms. Pac Man which comes with it from AT&T is almost impossible since my fingers keept hitting the 4 corner buttons by accident.
Maybe I'll try the experia. Does it have TV out?
Also, since I am still with the fuze, how do i lock the touchscreen when talking on the phone? The Palm pro had this option, so I am assuming that it is possible.
Thanks for the tips.
I'm a two year Kaiser user and have been happy with it generally. But the small screen and resolution, plus sluggish CPU is making me want to upgrade.
However HTC (and seemingly other manufacturers) seem to be shifting all UI interaction to the screen only (practically). I know I'm not the only one saddened by this, as d-pads and jog dials have their place and offer guaranteed responsiveness and precision which no screen tech can easily match. Unless you have fingers that look like stylii and a permanently steady hand.
Anyway, I'm just interested to hear if there are other people out there wishing for a Touch Pro 3 / Leo / Kaiser hybrid? Nice big screen, Snapdragon but a little d-pad squirrelled away at the bottom and jogger on the side. I wouldn't mind the phone being a bit longer to make it all fit.
Oh and I'm a business user and can appreciate that on a device like the Leo aimed more at the mass-market, the missing buttons aren't so important. But I think the Touch Pro line could do with them.
More than agree!
hardware keyboard is a must for me also, 2 lines of production I can see:
One for more multimedia non professional use like Leo and the second with more business capabilities like the keyboard
I´m sure TP3 will come out with larger screen, snapdragon and more surprises, but we have to wait at least 6 months for that.
just my opinion
Here some possible options:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556749
i agree completely !
one of the things that i hate about mobile phone design is that everyone thinks that to make a better phone than the iphone you have to copy it rather than take the best ideas and improve on them.
i'm eagerly awaiting news of the touch pro 3 (rather than the touch hd2 / leo) because a hardware keyboard is important to me - i'm hoping that they'll include a scroll wheel and d-pad like my old kaiser in a form factor of my current xperia with a decent processor and the latest version of tf3d. they're all htc devices so it shouldn't be too hard ...
I agree, too. I still use my iPaq 210 daily not only because of the 4in screen, but for the dpad. It just doesn't feel like a pda without one. I would actually prefer phones to come wit jog dials on the side, but that's just a personal preference. How are we supposed to get anything done without them? I recently got a TD2, and while i like it, i don't think I will ever have it replace both my phone and PDA for lack of buttons. The main reason my BA was used so long was for all of its buttons.
I'm surprised to see people sticking up for jog dials -- I'd argue that the dial on my Kaiser is terrible, and WM doesn't handle 'em well anyways.
Dpads are nice, though. I'm particularly fond of the "stealth" pad on the Touch Pro.
At the same time, they're getting less and less useful. As more and more apps are designed to be finger-friendly, the usefulness of the dpad will decrease. I already find myself using it much less than I did, say, two years ago.
I agree that they are being used less in programs, but honestly how could you like the touch pro dpad? It is probably the worst i've ever used
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As more and more apps are designed to be finger-friendly, the usefulness of the dpad will decrease. I already find myself using it much less than I did, say, two years ago.
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Finger friendliness is one thing, but buttons just can't be beaten in some cases. E.g. I use Profimail for email and when replying, I often need to position the text cursor (?) at the very top. If I do this with a finger it's very tricky to get it in the right place. Or positioning the cursor between the words for adding / removing characters etc. is easier with a D-pad. Or when walking and wanting to do things on the phone without giving the full concentration you'd need by focussing on and positioning your finger on the display.
I agree though the usefulness is decreasing but I just don't think it will ever decrease to the point the D-Pad should be removed, but HTC obviously do.
But people are concentrating on the benefits of faster cpus and forgetting the drawbacks of slower input.
I'm not sure if this exists, but I thought I'd ask.
I've been using a Samsung Galaxy S Captivate (and loved it) up until about 1 month ago, when I got sick and tired of 30-35 effective WPM on the touchscreen keyboard and switched back to my old first generation Blackberry Bold. Believe it or not, the relief of going back to the blackberry was HUGE even while sacrificing all of the obvious advantages of Android. Touchscreen keyboards just arent for me. I spent nearly a year hoping I would get better at it, and I'm not particularly bad, but I'm just quite quick on a hardware keyboard (65-75wpm) and that is hard to ignore. I do a lot of typing (emails for work and also fairly heavy SMS user ~6000 in+out per month).
So to the point, can anyone recommend a phone for me? I've tried the landscape style hardware keyboards and I am not a fan unfortunately, because I think there are a couple of those to choose from.
Any portrait hardware keyboards? Blackberry style? It would need to be a slider of course to avoid having a tiny screen.. still looking for a ~4"+ screen.
Thanks <3
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I'm not sure if this exists, but I thought I'd ask.
I've been using a Samsung Galaxy S Captivate (and loved it) up until about 1 month ago, when I got sick and tired of 30-35 effective WPM on the touchscreen keyboard and switched back to my old first generation Blackberry Bold. Believe it or not, the relief of going back to the blackberry was HUGE even while sacrificing all of the obvious advantages of Android. Touchscreen keyboards just arent for me. I spent nearly a year hoping I would get better at it, and I'm not particularly bad, but I'm just quite quick on a hardware keyboard (65-75wpm) and that is hard to ignore. I do a lot of typing (emails for work and also fairly heavy SMS user ~6000 in+out per month).
So to the point, can anyone recommend a phone for me? I've tried the landscape style hardware keyboards and I am not a fan unfortunately, because I think there are a couple of those to choose from.
Any portrait hardware keyboards? Blackberry style? It would need to be a slider of course to avoid having a tiny screen.. still looking for a ~4"+ screen.
Thanks <3
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HTC makes the T-Mobile Dash and the Ozone with portrait hardware keyboards, and 12 other phones with the more popular landscape slider keyboards and the big screens. It's gonna be tough to get a 4" wide screen with a portrait keyboard. That would be one big phone!
Happy shopping!
for the 4" I was thinking more like the Blackberry Torch slider style to avoid the phone being huge
Thanks for the input!
//EDIT// I would LOVE to see a phone that is basically what Motorola is showing off right now, the Droid 4 with slideout qwerty keyboard, except for it to slide up and down instead of requiring i turn the phone sideways to use it (aside from these keyboard being too wide to type comfortably on, using an android phone sideways in most cases is pretty obnoxious).
Have you checked out the DROID pro? I know it's a little old now but I owned this phone and I loved it, my first smartphone was a treo and that's all I've been use to. I don't care what anyone says, physical keys especially portrait style keyboard is so much netter then landscape
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Have you checked out the DROID pro? I know it's a little old now but I owned this phone and I loved it, my first smartphone was a treo and that's all I've been use to. I don't care what anyone says, physical keys especially portrait style keyboard is so much netter then landscape
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I couldn't agree with you more. That is a pretty wicked phone and that's exactly what I want but with a current generation OS and specs
I have a i9000 and a Droid Pro to replace it on the way.
But I think it will be too slow.
How's about the LG Optimus Pro
This has been rumored for a while now, but this seems to be more concrete:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...android-phone-the-priv-will-launch-this-year/
BTW, this place has been completely dead for a few weeks now, and the last nightly is dated Sept 6. I tried several months back to start building my own ROM images, but before I got all the way there, someone else stepped up. Before you vanish completely, I might like to try this again, especially if someone can help me get started. I remember one file in particular that I don't know if I did correctly, perhaps it was "local.manifest", or something like that. If I can get running, with a bit of assistance, I can start putting up nightlies, if not nightly, at least at some interval.
I dunno, I kinda don't like the way the keyboard is. The keys seems too small. I'd like a keyboard in landscape mode.
Also, being by blackberry means rooting won't be as easy.
I couldn't agree more with you tpmjb about wanting a landscape keyboard phone, but i think this a big move for blackberry and warrants our support if we ever want to see another qwerty android device ever. The priv is getting allot of press and i think allot of people are excited about it. I also believe that the capacitative thingy for s6 was made because they heard about it ahead of time.
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I couldn't agree more with you tpmjb about wanting a landscape keyboard phone, but i think this a big move for blackberry and warrants our support if we ever want to see another qwerty android device ever. The priv is getting allot of press and i think allot of people are excited about it. I also believe that the capacitative thingy for s6 was made because they heard about it ahead of time.
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I changed my mind, I'm buying the Blackberry Priv. I figure it will be rooted before too long, and I'll probably get used to the keyboard. Also, this phone has severe problems with GPS, which I use to get around everywhere.
At $700, very few people will be purchasing a Priv. There will be no development community for the device.
There are plenty of people that want a keyboard, but that desire will not make hundreds of additional dollars magically materialize.
Furthermore, a $700 device should have 4GB and an 810 under the hood. The Priv forces compromise with 3 gigs and an 808.
QWERTY is dead.
No designated number row.... the main reason I chose the Relay over the Glide... well, that and lack of bluetooth phone calls in jb4.1+
I've been following the blackberry for a while and the rumors of them going android, really hoping somebody comes out with a horizontal slider.
Rumors say it has dual boot os. Android and bbos10
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At $700, very few people will be purchasing a Priv. There will be no development community for the device.
There are plenty of people that want a keyboard, but that desire will not make hundreds of additional dollars magically materialize.
Furthermore, a $700 device should have 4GB and an 810 under the hood. The Priv forces compromise with 3 gigs and an 808.
QWERTY is dead.
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If you buy a Samsung Galaxy S6, you can take advantage of certain economies of massive scale. If you choose a Priv, the economies of scale aren't the same. And so you won't get the same value for money.
Still, the price of the Priv will fall over time.
Plus, I suspect that, six months or a year after its release, it'll be possible to buy a used or refurbished Priv for far less than $700. Then you can use your Priv with a deep-discount carrier — a carrier which doesn't offer handset subsidies, but which offers ultra-cheap plans.
Alternatively, if you're with a carrier which offers handset subsidies, you may be able to sign a long-term contract and buy a heavily-discounted Priv. You can then pay your carrier back over time.
Looks cool but its t9 not qwerty
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_w2016_highend_clamshell_gets_official_in_china-news-15129.php
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At $700, very few people will be purchasing a Priv. There will be no development community for the device.
There are plenty of people that want a keyboard, but that desire will not make hundreds of additional dollars magically materialize.
Furthermore, a $700 device should have 4GB and an 810 under the hood. The Priv forces compromise with 3 gigs and an 808.
QWERTY is dead.
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Actually SD808 is atleast as good as SD810 or even better. SD810 is thorttling too much and it is not stable in every day use. Take a look at here: Thermal Throttling – Which SOC’s are the Worst Offenders.
Qwerty sliders are dying but you have to be creative. I modded my own qwerty slider from Xiaomi Mi4C and iPhone 6 bluetooth keyboard case: Qwerty Keyboard Slider [DIY]
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This has been rumored for a while now, but this seems to be more concrete:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...android-phone-the-priv-will-launch-this-year/
BTW, this place has been completely dead for a few weeks now, and the last nightly is dated Sept 6. I tried several months back to start building my own ROM images, but before I got all the way there, someone else stepped up. Before you vanish completely, I might like to try this again, especially if someone can help me get started. I remember one file in particular that I don't know if I did correctly, perhaps it was "local.manifest", or something like that. If I can get running, with a bit of assistance, I can start putting up nightlies, if not nightly, at least at some interval.
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I don't know why they even came out with Priv cause there was already Q5 & Q10...and on top of that most big shot Companies think people (Or everyone is a Text-Crazed Teenager) only use phones for texting and emails... ... ...those are pretty much the same and most simplistic things people will do with a phone besides Facebook... BLACKBERRY, MOTOROLA, SAMSUNG...I use my Relay at one point to replace my Computer (Dell D800 which start to run at 600MHz and 1GB RAM)...Stop with this Marketing Target business.
We the customer aren't Programmers or Teenagers, we don't need an iPhone or Phones that match with what we wear (Motorola)...we need Convenience...hence why you -blackberry- lost the market cause you keep pushing out small screen -but bigger than Nokia- phones that didn't really improve much (NO NUMROW, worst is the Sony Xperia sk17 (Mini Pro, 3") and sk16 (Pro, 3.7"), both have the exact same keyboard...3.7" and they didn't put Numrow or Okay Button). Had they had the size of a S3 or a 4" screen-phone-size with the Keyboard or not make the mistake like Symbian -Nokia E6, Touch with Buttons on Screen design for DPAD- they couldn't lose there market, but Priv is show us how Blackberry needs to let go or improve its model, not make more nostalgia (I don't know if that is right) while thinking its the big screen that everyone loves (If iPod had a Stylus instead of Touch, people would look at that like its a Color Palm Pilot...as where touch is better based how you control it).
Me when I saw Passport and Priv, I laughed my butt off, only Trenders will buy. I was even thinking Blackberry was going to actually come out with a Landscape Slider at one point and make a video with the Song "I want to know that, want to know that, will you Love me Again" playing...but snap Blackberry, Storm (My Twin Sister first Bought it, I wasn't even into Phones until 2012...born 1992 and got a Relay in 2015...made in 2012) was fail for me cause of putting 1 clicker in the Center of phone instead of 9-13 or 16-20 (Top/Mid/Bottom+Left/Center/Right to Between Center/Corner=4 or to Quarter of Size or to Fifth of Size or even put more at the bottom for the keyboard)...you guys should have built a fake plastic prototype of that feature (1 Hard Clicker to 13 Mid-Soft Clickers unless the 1 made it seem hard) cause had it not failed it would have been like iPhone 6 pressure screen...
Blackberry thinks that only 1 Phone is the Best, but Truly they Grew when you went from Pearl to Bold, etc and bold to Q5/10 (Had they made Torch like that), but Priv or Private -as I call it if it becomes Landscape Slider then Lieutenant and Colonel- is why Blackberry shouldn't design Hardware Form.
They are 100% correct about software cause I can Play PSP and Edit Word Docs on my Android and Hackers figured out a way to play all PS1 on PSP, but Sony's Devs couldn't (Embarrassing).
The only reason I have a PC is literally cause I'm doing online schooling and the website needs Internet Explorer or Google Chrome or else the interaction might slip up on a Mobile Device...other than that the only reason I bought a Vostro 14 is because it can play PS3 equivalent games (Skyrim, Saints Row, etc)...so I don't need a PC or the Lastest Android (GingerBread was my World and now JellyBean, in fact an LG Ahola has a keyboard with Prediction, where as my Relay doesn't...Relay is 4.1.2 and LG Ahola is 2.1 with 600Mhz CPU & 256MB RAM...it really depends on how you design it...even Motorola Defy Pro had it too...also Relay doesn't have a OKAY Button so if I highlight/select text (Shift+Left/Right) with Keyboard and touch to use Copy/Cut, the selected text disappears)
And funny thing today -Octo-core is 2xQuad-core CPU with 4 low & 4 high power- same thing I said ever since I got my first Phone -A Nokia 5000-6000series- I need something for note taking and I'm pretty sure that doesn't require a very fast Computer or computer at all (Cause now Tech is getting better)...if anyone is smart they stop with Big Screens and go to built-in Project-on-to-screen-like-a-flashlight or Project-to-a-screen-via-cable...cause I once saw a Phone design as Processor that goes into a Tablet...
There are so many things and ways of doing any thing, but Blackberry choose Portrait Slider...over Landscape and no alternative...when they've been using Landscape the Whole time (I know this contradicts before, but not increasing the Screen Size is what was Blackberry's Downfall)...In fact I just realize when has Portrait been used in an electronic besides Reading Text Material (Like on actual Paper) cause Televisions and Computers don't have Portrait Screens, I would use Word Doc and Landscape Shaped Window even if page is Portrait and the thing I see most people use big scr.een phones for is Videos...in Landscape...I read my Comics in Landscape (Cause Portrait is small).
Portrait is for the Quick and Easy or Simple Stuff (1-Hand)...Landscape is for 2 Handers and yet people who design for Portrait still put the things you need to Touch at the Top of the Screen...I only need Time at Top if I need to see it at the Lock Screen not when I am using the Phone.
Sorry for variety of errors of Grammar, Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure, dotting my i's and crossing my t's (Joking on the last part). I didn't proofread much.
Best Keyboard was Motorola Droid 3 and LG C710 Aloha, but sadly there Hardware wasn't good.
Flash-A-Holic said:
Actually SD808 is atleast as good as SD810 or even better. SD810 is thorttling too much and it is not stable in every day use. Take a look at here: Thermal Throttling – Which SOC’s are the Worst Offenders.
Qwerty sliders are dying but you have to be creative. I modded my own qwerty slider from Xiaomi Mi4C and iPhone 6 bluetooth keyboard case: Qwerty Keyboard Slider [DIY]
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I hate those keys, though. That's the same bluetooth case available on every modern phone. They change the brands a million times on Amazon, but it's the same case. Price varies wildly too.
Keys are wayyyyyy too close together. It's somehow faster to type each letter on a touch screen.
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I hate those keys, though. That's the same bluetooth case available on every modern phone. They change the brands a million times on Amazon, but it's the same case. Price varies wildly too.
Keys are wayyyyyy too close together. It's somehow faster to type each letter on a touch screen.
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It is not that bad. There is shaped buttons for better touch in my keyboard. I have seen different keyboard which are worse.
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It is not that bad. There is shaped buttons for better touch in my keyboard. I have seen different keyboard which are worse.
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Oh weird, where'd you get a 5 row case? I thought it was the ****ty 4 row case that's on Amazon, from the thumbnail on your video. I might just check it out
Edit: Wow, it looks exactly like my relay keyboard! I'm definitely interested! Every Amazon link I see is that awful 4 row keyboard.
...but not for $72 eee gad
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/12/blackberry-dtek70-mercury-leaked/
It looks like BB is about to release another QWERTY phone. But the times of slider keyboards are gone.
Guys... prepare your butts, the holy grail:
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/graalphone-4-in-1-notebook-smartphone-tablet-3d-kamera/
The GraalPhone!!! Next year in Europe and USA!!
Had my hopes up then...but look at the size of it! It's massive