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I got my self the hero, and my wife the Moment. I am slightly jealous of the hardware she has..but that aside, I am in love with my Hero.
However, she does have one app that i really want and the market place does not have. I assume this is an app installed by sprint.
It is Photo and Video uploader. You set an email address or other location and after a video or photo is taken, it automatically uploads the photo to the predetermined destination. GREAT FOR BACKING UP PICTURES! But, her camera hardware blows. 3.2 MP and it is sooo slow. So picture quality is no where near that of the Hero's 5 MP.
So the real question here - -
Can I ADB into her phone and just take the .APK and ODEX file for this app and push it to my phone? Is it that easy???
Some apps are that easy. Give it a try and find out! The worst thing you'll get is some force closes.
However most stock apps require files from /system/lib that help run that apk. And they don't have the same naming convention therefore you won't know which one(s) it is amongst the 100s there. But I always say try and see what happens.
And if it works upload that .apk for the rest of us!
Thinking out loud here...well..you get the point.
Could I copy all of system/lib and only copy the files that dont already exist?
That could be a giant waste of space though, and it could still rely on a file that I have, not just one that isn't there....
Also since I am not "installing" the app, could Apps2SD hinder me? I am not entirely sure how a2sd works other than tricking the phone into using the SD card as a partition and unioning it with the existing part.
I love how open android is supposed to be, but how the darn manufacturers kill us with the different platform crap.
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And if it works upload that .apk for the rest of us!
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Am I aloud to do that? I have seen XDA Mods get on to some people about uploading APK's. I guess I should read the EULA for that app before I do?
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Thinking out loud here...well..you get the point.
Could I copy all of system/lib and only copy the files that dont already exist?
That could be a giant waste of space though, and it could still rely on a file that I have, not just one that isn't there....
Also since I am not "installing" the app, could Apps2SD hinder me? I am not entirely sure how a2sd works other than tricking the phone into using the SD card as a partition and unioning it with the existing part.
I love how open android is supposed to be, but how the darn manufacturers kill us with the different platform crap.
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Copying the ../lib/ over and not replacing existing files could work. lol. As for apps2sd... you kind of have two ways you can try installing this. Without copying the lib and all that just try putting the apk on to your sdcard and browsing to it using astro or linda (a file manager) and click on the apk and installing it. See if it errors out or fails. If it does, THEN try copying it and the odex to /system/app (if it has an odex I'm pretty confident you won't be able to install it using package manager). If that still fails then you can go crazy and trying copying the lib ha.
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Am I aloud to do that? I have seen XDA Mods get on to some people about uploading APK's. I guess I should read the EULA for that app before I do?
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I don't remember if I read it on here or ppcgeeks but I believe officially the only stock apk's not allowed is quick office. But don't quote me on that.
So I hooked up to the Moment through ADB last night.
Found out really quickly that I can SU with it....
There is a "non permanent" hack out there to become root, but I tried it and still couldn't mount the file system to copy from it.
Any ideas guys?
From what I understand the Moment uses an FS16? file System? Something Odd that non of the other droids seem to be using.
Just an Idea, thought I would throw it out there.
Does the temporary root allow for running applications as root an the device itself?
There is an app in the market called root explorer that allows copy/paste/cut/delete from the system/app folder.
It may be possible to use that app to copy the needed filed to your sdcard and then extract them from there.
This would all be contingent on the app being able to mount the directory as r/w though, so who knows, worth a shot though i guess.
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Just an Idea, thought I would throw it out there.
Does the temporary root allow for running applications as root an the device itself?
There is an app in the market called root explorer that allows copy/paste/cut/delete from the system/app folder.
It may be possible to use that app to copy the needed filed to your sdcard and then extract them from there.
This would all be contingent on the app being able to mount the directory as r/w though, so who knows, worth a shot though i guess.
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This root doesn't allow you to run Root apps. not sure why, seems like root would be root.
After some reading, the root method that is being used on the Moment is not the safest. Apparently if you skip a step you have a brick. And with no Nandroid backup at the moment(pun?) I would HATE to attempt it. Apparently though Root sticks until you reboot. There is an INit. script that runs and resets the permisions.
I know, "Don't skips steps and you'll be ok"
I may get brave and try it tonight...
as far as I can tell you cannot install this app on the hero. I'm not sure what the app is called and unless it starts in the /data folder it is under the system dumps
http://www.4shared.com/file/149766091/c3a7ee61/momentsystem.html
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as far as I can tell you cannot install this app on the hero. I'm not sure what the app is called and unless it starts in the /data folder it is under the system dumps
http://www.4shared.com/file/149766091/c3a7ee61/momentsystem.html
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ROCK ON! Thanks for the link to the dump, I hadn't thought about looking around in one of these.
I will post what I find out.
WOOT IT WORKS!!!!!
So any how the application is in that Dump under apps, its only an APK
xms-android-1.0.42-prod.apk
If you are interested in what it does:
You setup predetermined "places" Flikr, FB, EMAIL, what ever.
Any picture or video you take automatically gets put in an upload queue and it sent to your predetermined places.
I am using it for back up, I have 2 kids and sometimes the cell phone is the quickest way to snap a great picture. Keeping these pictures in mutltiple places, like your 7 gig google account, is a nifty way to backup.
I am waiting for a Mod to get back to me if I can post the APK or not. I don't want to get in trouble.
wonder if their youtube app has better picture quality than ours?
BrianDigital said:
wonder if their youtube app has better picture quality than ours?
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I will let you know in a few minutes. As soon as I get done with my WiFi teether I will compare the two. Pretty sure they should be the same.
EDIT: I am not sure if it is hardware or not. Running the same youTube video side by side - Our HERO has better color quality, Deeper blacker. The Moment has slightly sharper edges to the pictures, not quite as blurry. the moment does not go "Full Screen" for videos either which could be contributing to the sharper look to things. My assumption would be that this is a difference in the hardware. Quality of youTube videos seems to have diminished over the years anyways, none of the really look "good" any more. Probably in an effort to save bandwidth.
However, if you want to take a look personally, I will post the APK for you. Just please don't blame me if you forget to back up the original and want to revert....I love disclaimers.
I was trying to use that picture uploader, for me it stalls on picking a new location. Wonder if it is because I am on gutted rom and missing some pointers somewhere
BrianDigital said:
I was trying to use that picture uploader, for me it stalls on picking a new location. Wonder if it is because I am on gutted rom and missing some pointers somewhere
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I am using MoDaCo + Optimizations w/ ZipAlign. Not sure if its worth the switch for you or not.
I have never used Gutted so I do not know what it offers/doesn't have.
Gutted is as vanilla as our Rom can get. It's quick too
that's pretty cool and sounds like a great idea for backing up pics so what all would I need to do to get this and install it I have root access already
Kcarpenter said:
WOOT IT WORKS!!!!!
So any how the application is in that Dump under apps, its only an APK
xms-android-1.0.42-prod.apk
If you are interested in what it does:
You setup predetermined "places" Flikr, FB, EMAIL, what ever.
Any picture or video you take automatically gets put in an upload queue and it sent to your predetermined places.
I am using it for back up, I have 2 kids and sometimes the cell phone is the quickest way to snap a great picture. Keeping these pictures in mutltiple places, like your 7 gig google account, is a nifty way to backup.
I am waiting for a Mod to get back to me if I can post the APK or not. I don't want to get in trouble.
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Wow... that's a really cool program... and just so you know, you can "install" it using adb and it still works fine
Code:
adb install xms-android-1.0.42-prod.apk
Then it will install in /data/apps (or if you have apps2sd, on the sdcard under /system/sd/apps)
Works great on the Sprint Hero and MoDaCo ROM
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I am waiting for a Mod to get back to me if I can post the APK or not. I don't want to get in trouble.
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The only rule regarding it would be
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
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which your app doesn't fit in to. Posting it is not outside of the rules and should be fine.
Hi Everyone,
Wanted to ask if any of you know of a way so that I can store my sms messages on my sd card. So that whenever I change roms or wipe they are always back on my phone? Kind of the same idea as pictures that are taken are always found in the album. Any ideas on this??
Changing ROMs will not erase your texts. Wiping will.
Anyway, the easiest thing to do is just use any of a dozen Market-available backup programs to back up your messages.
I was wondering about this same possibility because backups/restores take longer and longer and the amount of sms/mms grows.
After not finding a suitable way to do this I decided to go with SMSBackup.
http://code.google.com/p/android-sms/
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It is also in the Market. It is the one by Christoph Studer.
Basically it backs up all sms/mms to your gmail under a Label (SMS by default).
When you first set it up it will ask if you want to back up all messages currently on the device and it will continue to due so as messages are sent/received.
After I did this I was able to delete all of my old messages and have them readily accessible from Gmail at any time.
IMHO it is a great solution.
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After not finding a suitable way to do this I decided to go with SMSBackup.
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It is a good tool.
I use the same SMSBackup *and* another one called "SMS Backup & Restore". It backs up the SMS messages in a simple XML file, which is nice because you can edit it to remove the oldest ones before restoring. The same guy also makes a tool to backup the call log.
I dont see why you cant make a script to mount image on the SD card to wherever those files are saved... maybe along the lines AppsToSD works with UnionFS, although its kinda pointless to have a whole other partition for this, theres no reason you cant have a .sqsh image on the card... I totally understand this, I hate loosing all SMS's with every wipe, and I hate to have to download an App from the market to do this and then have to restore it everytime... call it SmsToSD, lol... I'm far from a linux expert, but I honestly think I could probably whip this up, and I DO understand why this would rock.
Seems like we could just make a symlink????
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ln -s /whatever/the/sms/directory/is /sdcard/smsfolder
I think....maybe... I dunno.
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Seems like we could just make a symlink????
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ln -s /whatever/the/sms/directory/is /sdcard/smsfolder
I think....maybe... I dunno.
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All fun and games until you (the general "you") pop out your card..?
capenter that sounds like a great idea, theres probably more complications to it than it looks like there is cuz it probly woulda been done already
There are lots of things I can think of that could happen, anyone want to take the plunge?? lol. I can come up with the script.
I would be willing to try this out... This is exactly what I was talking about.
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I would be willing to try this out... This is exactly what I was talking about.
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+1 on this, write the script I'll test it !
Working on this now. I will let you know when I am done.
Awesome... Let me know...
SOOOO...
I think we can:
cp -a /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/mmssms.db /system/sd/sms
then:
ln -s /system/sd/sms /data/data/com.android.providers.telelphony/databases/mmssms.db
BUT - I can't find the apps2sd script to A: See if this is how they do it and B: add to it...
Anyone knows where it is at, let me know...maybe boot.img.
You could probably do this in adb, but I don't think it will stick.
Kcarpenter said:
Anyone knows where it is at, let me know...maybe boot.img.
You could probably do this in adb, but I don't think it will stick.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512743
thread describing A2SD, I'll take a look tonight after I get off work and see if I cant make it work... Frankly, this would actually be a feature I'd use, anyone know if the storage method for SMS is different between 1.6 and 2.1? I dont think its something they would have changed, and the backup and restore program seems to work for 2.1
jmhalder said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512743
thread describing A2SD, I'll take a look tonight after I get off work and see if I cant make it work... Frankly, this would actually be a feature I'd use, anyone know if the storage method for SMS is different between 1.6 and 2.1? I dont think its something they would have changed, and the backup and restore program seems to work for 2.1
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I'll take a look at this tonight, thanks for digging it up. I wasn't able to pull my init.rc last night - for some reason it just would never show up on my SD card. Tried 50+ times. Maybe I'll be able to get it tonight.
Kcarpenter said:
SOOOO...
I think we can:
cp -a /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/mmssms.db /system/sd/sms
then:
ln -s /system/sd/sms /data/data/com.android.providers.telelphony/databases/mmssms.db
BUT - I can't find the apps2sd script to A: See if this is how they do it and B: add to it...
Anyone knows where it is at, let me know...maybe boot.img.
You could probably do this in adb, but I don't think it will stick.
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wouldnt it be (from the */databases directory) be:
"ln -s /system/sd/sms/mmssms.db ./mmssms.db"?
as usage is "ln -s target link_name"
I just cp'd it to /system/sd/sms/* and rm'd it from the original dir, did a wipe, gonna rm it again and setup the symlink to see if its kosher, Obviously there is probably a better way to do this... gonna work on it a little maybe saturday, I would really like this on my dream as I change roms almost daily.
*edit/update* this DOES cause my messaging application to crash, probably need to change permissions to make it actually function... later.
*EDIT!!!1!!*: YES!!!! this does work, just needed to "chown radio ./mmssms.db" from the /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/ directory... YAY!!!, now just to incorperate this into a update.zip to script that will check for a /system/sd/sms/mmssms.db file and make a symlink to it if its found... fantastic!
OK this is something i have been looking for.
So Im a little confused on the steps on how to do this, can anyone make a list of the steps for me ty
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OK this is something i have been looking for.
So Im a little confused on the steps on how to do this, can anyone make a list of the steps for me ty
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No one has ever perfected it
But you would:
Code:
cp -a /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/mmssms.db /system/sd/sms/
then
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ln -s /system/sd/sms /data/data/com.android.providers.telelphony/databases/mmssms.db
then
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rm /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/mmssms.db
Then reboot.... that should in theory work for you.
Like I said no one has ever sat down to perfect it.
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Looking at that, something seems wrong, but I don't have time to figure it out (Same reason it has never been perfected)
Don't blame me if you loose your SMS trying it.
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I dont see why you cant make a script to mount image on the SD card to wherever those files are saved... maybe along the lines AppsToSD works with UnionFS, although its kinda pointless to have a whole other partition for this, theres no reason you cant have a .sqsh image on the card... I totally understand this, I hate loosing all SMS's with every wipe, and I hate to have to download an App from the market to do this and then have to restore it everytime... call it SmsToSD, lol... I'm far from a linux expert, but I honestly think I could probably whip this up, and I DO understand why this would rock.
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This is exactly what came to mind when I read the thread title. Downloadable apps are a workaround. This is a solution.
Has anyone had a look at touchstudio? You can program some codes using it that access a lot of the phone's stuff.
Any developer/hacker wanna take a look at it and maybe see what dll allows access and stuff?
I've seen it. But I've seen nothing that has access to something cool. What are you referring to?
I don't think that TouchStudio has more access to the whole system than other apps. Because anything that you program in the app gets just displayed on the "wall" (or whatever that thing is called )...
And if there are interesting parts in this app MS has locked down these parts for sure...
I just downloaded this as it looks interesting and I'm hoping to learn a bit more about coding. Has anyone used it much? Is there any way to actually effectively use the codes that you create? It doesn't appear like theres a way to export the actions to your homescreen or anything to make them useable, aside from going into the touchscreen app and then running it. Is this just because its the beta version, or is it really just supposed to be for fun/learning?
I heard its fairly easy to customize a stock ROM with little to no coding (I don't know anything but visual basic). Even though i have heard this i have no idea on how to do it. Could someone point me to instructions or explain to me how its done? Youtube has not helped be either. The ROM would be based off of the Infuse 4G Stock (at least for my first one).
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I heard its fairly easy to customize a stock ROM with little to no coding (I don't know anything but visual basic). Even though i have heard this i have no idea on how to do it. Could someone point me to instructions or explain to me how its done? Youtube has not helped be either. The ROM would be based off of the Infuse 4G Stock (at least for my first one).
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depends on what you need to do, porting from device to device may need some coding (unless it is from a galaxy s to an infuse or other similar devices where you can swap samsung libs) app editing is java and can sometimes be done with smali/baksmali or apk tool but you can still theme with nothing but an archive type program (7zip or similar) also you can move apps around or delete bloat. there are different ways to go about it certain things.
the best way i think is to setup adb with the phone functional. then you can root and adb into the phone and pull apps, theme/edit and then push the apps back to the phone. this makes it much easier to find problems and debug since ther eis no flashing and you do changes one at a time. you could also ssh into the phone over wifi.
do you just want to do this for personal use or share what you have done? cwm packages will need some scripting skills and you will possibly have to make new simlinks and fix permissions.
basically the perminant apps are all in /system/app. the framework apps are in /system/framework
/system/app/systemUI.apk is the app responsible for the notification bar and most of the other themeing is in /system/framework/framework-res.apk and /system/framework/twframework-res.apk all i can say is google around and if you see something you want to do look for a tutorial on the subject.
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depends on what you need to do, porting from device to device may need some coding (unless it is from a galaxy s to an infuse or other similar devices where you can swap samsung libs) app editing is java and can sometimes be done with smali/baksmali or apk tool but you can still theme with nothing but an archive type program (7zip or similar) also you can move apps around or delete bloat. there are different ways to go about it certain things.
the best way i think is to setup adb with the phone functional. then you can root and adb into the phone and pull apps, theme/edit and then push the apps back to the phone. this makes it much easier to find problems and debug since ther eis no flashing and you do changes one at a time. you could also ssh into the phone over wifi.
do you just want to do this for personal use or share what you have done? cwm packages will need some scripting skills and you will possibly have to make new simlinks and fix permissions.
basically the perminant apps are all in /system/app. the framework apps are in /system/framework
/system/app/systemUI.apk is the app responsible for the notification bar and most of the other themeing is in /system/framework/framework-res.apk and /system/framework/twframework-res.apk all i can say is google around and if you see something you want to do look for a tutorial on the subject.
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Id prefer to share what i've done. Id like to go into simple rom development.
There is some way to remove the native apps from my rooted razr maxx hd?
braianh said:
There is some way to remove the native apps from my rooted razr maxx hd?
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Yes, however it is much better to freeze the app. You can use Titanium Backup to do that https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&hl=en
When you freeze it, under the default setting of Titanium Backup, it will still get updates and remain frozen (won't be used by the system or be in the app drawer or on the home screens). This is much safer than removing it because if the phone misbehaves you can always unfreeze the app as well. There's no real reason to remove the app by deleting it.
If you do want to delete it, then native apps live in the /system/app/ folder, which is mounted as a read only filesystem. Since you are rooted, you can remount it so that you can read and write to the folder and delete the app, however that said, its much better to simply rename the app. I haven't renamed apps in the system folder on this phone (just got it) but have on the Samsung SGS II, which is a much safer phone to play around with like this from the look of it so far, though.
Every app on a stock install has two files, one with a .apk file extention and one with and .odex file extention. From experience with the other Android phone, you can just rename something to, for example, videoplayer.apk.backup and videoplayer.odex.backup. It can be renamed back later if you need to. You want a file browser that will remount the filesystem so that its rewritable. Root Explorer is what I've used but there's plenty of others that are gaining in popularity. It can be done at the command line as well.
All of the above said, though, you really, really, really, want to make sure that you aren't freezing or deleting or renaming an app like this that will interfere with your ability to undo it. If you do something that gets the phone stuck with lots of things crashing and making the phone unresponsive, or worse unbootable, then that's a very bad situation. It was always really easy to deal with from the recovery screen on my SGS II but I haven't yet tried things out on my RAZR HD in this fashion and things are differant when it comes to it. I haven't tried much out yet.
Also, and I really don't want to come off as being rude, and I hate it when people do on this forum, but because you had to ask if it was possible on a rooted phone at all sort of indicates that you might want to get as much advice about what you want to freeze or delete before doing it. Its prudent on any phone and less is more until you've gathered more information; and from the amount of support on this phone's section (low number of people having the phone and tinkering at this point) of the forum my guess is that this it will take some time and patients to get all the answers and information that you want before going balls deep.
Good luck, and remember that less is more, and that support will grow over time.
If you delete you will have a difficult time taking the next OTA. Freeze them. There is almost no space to be had by removing them.