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Do we have a money craving issue on xda?

I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers

itje said:
I have wanted to adress a issue that has increased noticeably since I joined XDA-Dev, im not sure if anyone agree with me at all on this
But more and more of the developers here demands "donations" for their work, and that really sadden me. Because more and more ppl will feel that "hey, this guy and that guy actually makes money on their work, why cant I?" and in the end, this forums users will have to "donate" to everyone, and it will slowly suffocate from greed...
I know many use hours after hours, doing really amazing work creating,fixing modding and w/e. And I fully accept that ppl have a donation button in their signature, and that ppl can donate money as mutch as they want.
But when developers write that if you donate, I will continue my work, or if you donate I will provide you with support, or you can download my work if you pay for it, then xda has decreased to a point where I cant support it.
I joined here because I needed help, and I got it, for free. And I decided I want to contribute too, so I started learning, for free, what I now know. And I try my best to help out.
I have had many ppl telling me that they want to donate money for the work I have done making roms, etc (in herald section)
But I dont want any.
And I will make this promise: Im never gonna have a sig with donations, and I will never accept any form of donations for the work I do here. But I will respect that others have a "donation sig", but I will not accept and use stuff developed here that has a "you must donate me"
What make/made this forum great, is that so many have shared for free, amazing work.
Im not sure what the creators of this forums feel about this, or the current admins/moderators feels about this. But if you guys somewhat agree with me, please do something about it.
Im just a user, with my thoughts and views on things, and I dont know if anyone see it the same way as I do, or if this is actually a issue that should be adressed at all.
But maybe its just me and my thoughts that are wrong
cheers
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where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples

Midget_1990 said:
where does anyone demand donations? devs ask yes, this is true in any dev community, if they say you MUST donate then that is wrong and against forum policy, so show me some examples
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Allright. I was hoping that I didnt have to, because I dont wanna make anyone a "example" and I dont want to start a flamewar or a fight on who does it or not.
I think I need to say that the "demand" is often not written as a demand, but its usually adressed with please support me, and I will....insert "service provided" here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
Im NOT saying the poster of that thread is "guilty" of anything, and im sure that explanations could be provided and so on, but im adressing something that is increasing, atleast from my point of view. And Im gonna be the first to back down on what I "shed a little light on" if im mistaken in my interpetations.
But I do read alot around on the forum, and I just feel that more and more ppl wants donations for the work they do.
I will quote some general sigs, without saying who have them,and its not copied from anyones sig, but its a general "quote" of many diffrent sigs.
"if you like my work, and want more, donate"
"If you like what I do, buy me a beer"
"support my hard work by donating"
"Accepting any amount in donations"
"Incourage me to continue my work, buy me a beer"
list can go on with diffrent versons.
Im not against a donation system, but I really dont like it when you must donate to download anything, in my interpetation, that is as you say, against xda policy.
Is not developing for free, and so that we all can get more out of our devices encourage enough? If we want to make money on our work, why not start a company and start doing buisness on our own websites, and not use xda-dev to promote work we want to make money on?
sorry if I offend anyone, thats not my intention at all, and as I said, the post i linked to might be a bad example too. And I respect the hard work they do, and actually understand that they wants donations and all. Im really impressed by the work both the owner of the thread I use as example, and others. And that they deserve payment for what they do or not, is not the issue im forwarding here, so please have that in mind when commenting what I try to adress here.

iphone howto

HELP PLEASE!!
I've had my HTC touch/vogue for some time now and only just realized it was capable of so much more than I thought. I stumbled across this web site and dicovered an Iphone theme that I was interested in through this link http://www.iphonetheme4ppc.com/ I payed for & downloaded it to my PC and then discovered that I'm in way over my head, I don't know what to do next.
Could someone please tell me what I need to do from here??

did you try their install guide? it seems pretty thorough,are there any more specific questions?
heres the install guide for qvga
http://www.iphonetheme4ppc.com/guide_QVGA/index.php

cwop said:
HELP PLEASE!!
I've had my HTC touch/vogue for some time now and only just realized it was capable of so much more than I thought. I stumbled across this web site and dicovered an Iphone theme that I was interested in through this link http://www.iphonetheme4ppc.com/ I payed for & downloaded it to my PC and then discovered that I'm in way over my head, I don't know what to do next.
Could someone please tell me what I need to do from here??
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You got robbed...

I cannot believe you payed for that, because even more you have to pay for the additional software. How much did you pay? And WTF were you thinking?

cwop said:
HELP PLEASE!!
I've had my HTC touch/vogue for some time now and only just realized it was capable of so much more than I thought. I stumbled across this web site and dicovered an Iphone theme that I was interested in through this link http://www.iphonetheme4ppc.com/ I payed for & downloaded it to my PC and then discovered that I'm in way over my head, I don't know what to do next.
Could someone please tell me what I need to do from here??
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Wouldn't expect anything more for a first post.

cwop said:
HELP PLEASE!!
I've had my HTC touch/vogue for some time now and only just realized it was capable of so much more than I thought. I stumbled across this web site and dicovered an Iphone theme that I was interested in through this link http://www.iphonetheme4ppc.com/ I payed for & downloaded it to my PC and then discovered that I'm in way over my head, I don't know what to do next.
Could someone please tell me what I need to do from here??
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
Threre are tons of software like this here on XDA.....
Next time SEARCH!
This is what happens to people like you, who never search......

Yes I am noob, new to these sites.Thank you to the guys who were actually helpfull with their posts, shabicht inpaticular thank you for the link. With my inexperiance I was unsure of where to appropriatly search for the right info. I figured that being as how I discovered the link on THIS SITE in the first place that I'd start by looking for help on THIS SITE. However all that I received were and very un-helpfull replys,there must be a lot of bored people out there with nothing better to do then to insult someone with little experiance in this area looking for some help.
I only paid $11 for the theme, addmitadly after receiving some actuall helpfull advice from others I did discover that there are better ways to improve my device.
I'm not sure how this site usually works,the site was recomended to me. I'm disapointed to see the amount of rude remarks I received when simply looking for a helping hand.

To Donate or Not to Donate, THAT is the question...

All,
I have just received a question via PM and thought that it may best be answered here in the open forum. Mods, pls move thread if it would best be located in another forum. I have posted the original question and my reply... Any thoughts, extra comments or general discussion would be appreciated... The name of the sender has been removed for their privacy...
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Hey, thanks for the great advice. I want to donate to some of the developers whose ROMS i have used, but i wasn't sure how much to give...i don't want to give too much, but also don't want to offend by giving too little. Also, i am curious at what point do you feel like u should donate...i didn't think just from trying a ROM i should feel obligated to donate, but if i have used it for a month or so or more than yeah, maybe kickin something down is the thing to do.
So, you think better way to get the keyboard problem addressed is post in the thread for the rom you want fixed, as opposed to creating a new thread asking specifically for it. See, i think some devices maybe don't have that problem (it's an ATT PTT thing?), and so some of the chefs and users aren't getting it...i THINK...or else it just surprises me how it doesn't bother more people more...i guesss maybe i actually use my phone to talk on more than some here
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Donations are always a tricky item... I completely understand about the "not enough to much" dilemma... This is how I approach it: You are not purchasing anything, you are donating to a person that shares a common interest as you... To that end, think about a small favor that a friend of yours does for you... What type of thanks would you give that friend...? For my friends, I may buy them a couple beers... I think you see my point... Any donation, is appreciated... I would check on the conversion rate for where the recipient lives, so that they can get a decent donation... I don't think that 5 or 10 of whatever their native currency is, is to much... So, if I wanted to donate approx. 5GBP to someone, it would cost me 10USD... That is enough to buy almost 3 beers in the US, not sure about the UK ratio though... I think you also have a good handle on when you may wish to donate... a month may be a good time to donate to the cook... or however long you take to decide the rom is a keeper...
As for the keyboard fix, the comment should be posted in the thread of the rom where the problem exists... Some roms do not have the problem, it really depends on which base rom the cook used and whether or not they are even aware of the problem to begin with... There are many roms that have the fix already taken care of, and many that do not... It's really a hit or miss, when you find one that you like, you can always ask the cook to repost it with the correct dll cooked in, if you really like the rom, you can always let them know how much you appreciate their work and that a donation may be forthcoming...
Debonairone...

hmm
I'd say 10-15 USD is the right donation value and I feel that one should donate if they find that the ROM is perfect for their needs

If you were to donate, i'd say the minimum would be the cost of a pint of beer in your own currency.
a small way to say thanks online.

Moved to General subforum as this isn't really tied to a specific Rom or device.
FWIW, as someone who has both sent & received donations I think that the average is from $5 - $20 depending on what efforts you are supporting, how much value you feel you got from the efforts and finally how deep your pockets are. I've received a few donations that were much higher and it is always appreciated but nobody is trying to live off donations.
In the end it's really something that changes from user to user, project to project, and even month to month as your financial situation may change.

zocster said:
I'd say 10-15 USD is the right donation value and I feel that one should donate if they find that the ROM is perfect for their needs
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Not just ROMs but all Apps should be considered. There is a whole lot of great creativity in this forum.....

I have to say thnxs to those that shared their thoughts... Hopefully, someone has gained some insight as to how much they should donate, if they feel the urge to do so... I agree, as already stated, that shelling out the amount for a couple beers will always be appreciated, but as mentioned by Kyphur, your financial situation should be the final factor as to how much you want/can donate...

Thanks Debonairone
This was indeed very helpful!

need help modding my phone and willing to pay for it.

Hello there for those who feel up to the task i am seeking for help preferably from someone that works on this website and i hope that by me making this request its not going get me in trouble of any kind. I am writing this with all the respect to the website administrators and members of the XDA-DEVELOPERS.
I am seeking some one that i could either send my phone to or could help me over the internet step by step on how to change things on my blackberry storm and my at&t fuse. I send it long time ago to a guy but for X or Y reason i haven’t heard back from him and I would really like to have this done. you may ask why don’t I do it my self well honestly i have try before but instead i just end up ruining 2 cell phones and they aren’t cheap and i am not rich. I go to school and have a full time job that takes a lot of my time, and i am not great with computers. I am not completely dumb but i do have a huge reading with problem because of an accident.
again I apologize if some how i manage to break any of the XDA-DEVELOPERS rules by making a request like this but i would really like to have this done.
send me a message if you are interested and thank you and have a great day.

zimzum83 said:
Hello there for those who feel up to the task i am seeking for help preferably from someone that works on this website and i hope that by me making this request its not going get me in trouble of any kind. I am writing this with all the respect to the website administrators and members of the XDA-DEVELOPERS.
I am seeking some one that i could either send my phone to or could help me over the internet step by step on how to change things on my blackberry storm and my at&t fuse. I send it long time ago to a guy but for X or Y reason i haven’t heard back from him and I would really like to have this done. you may ask why don’t I do it my self well honestly i have try before but instead i just end up ruining 2 cell phones and they aren’t cheap and i am not rich. I go to school and have a full time job that takes a lot of my time, and i am not great with computers. I am not completely dumb but i do have a huge reading with problem because of an accident.
again I apologize if some how i manage to break any of the XDA-DEVELOPERS rules by making a request like this but i would really like to have this done.
send me a message if you are interested and thank you and have a great day.
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I think it´s no need to pay
XDA-DEVS is a developing community that helps everyone with no other interest, for your at&t fuze aka Raphael try to enter here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=437
And once you have detected the software or app you want ask to the OP to get help. A donation to the developer or to XDA site is more welcome than ofering to pay.
Good luck,

zimzum
PM me with what you'd like to do,
i will give you my messenger address and help you with whatever you need step by step

thanks guys
i just send you the PM nir36 and thanks, but orb3000 but like i told you ive try to do the stuff my self or with out orientation and end up loosing two phones. yea the first one was un upgrade tru at&t for $200.00 and the second one had to pay full retail $520.00 at the time and broke that one so i am scared one because i am not rich and second because i don't know if i am just to stupid or what but for X or Y reason can seem to be able to do stuff that is easy to you guys and i give yall props for that yall are awesome. I hope you know where i am coming from and see why i am willing to pay for the service and dont worry i will keep in mind the donation tot he website witch ive done in the past and i love this website same as smartphonejunkies.com.
Thanks for your guys help thank a lot and hope yall are able to help me with this.

Keep the faith ....
True....we are a community built on labours of love, and it is better to donate to the site. My wife has dyslexia, but since she got into playing with PPCs and perusing this site, has become rather adept at modding AND reading. We all will be glad to help, just PM me.
After all, what is a community for?

Rooting Vizio Vtab - Full System Files Attached

All, I pulled the system files from the Vtab via adb in the hopes that someone can look at them and determine what needs to be done to get root on this device. The link to the drop box is below.
dl.dropbox.com/u/48074556/vtab_system.zip

Thanks for posting this. It is a pity that the Vizio has not yet been rooted. I have tried both Gingerbreak as well as the Zergrush tools but both were unsuccessful.

has anyone called vizio with a pretty please with some info on this?

working on it
gnoober said:
has anyone called vizio with a pretty please with some info on this?
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I've been sending email requests for the kernel sources of the 1.4 V.I.A and OTA 1.5. They told me that they respect copyright rules,so i have a feeling that they will dish out the files to anyone who has time to stay on the phone with them.

update on source code
I have been in contact with vizio for the past few days or so. The bottom line is: in order to get kernel source code for V.I.A plus, you need to contact vizio legal affairs. cant seem to find the address around here, but you need to send a written request to them. The problem for me is this: I HATE SNAIL MAIL. I havent sent a letter in years so maybe someone else could? If you want, PM me and I will draft up a message for you. Maybe i'll get around to it.

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I have been in contact with vizio for the past few days or so. The bottom line is: in order to get kernel source code for V.I.A plus, you need to contact vizio legal affairs. cant seem to find the address around here, but you need to send a written request to them. The problem for me is this: I HATE SNAIL MAIL. I havent sent a letter in years so maybe someone else could? If you want, PM me and I will draft up a message for you. Maybe i'll get around to it.
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PM sent... I would like to help if I can. not much of a dev, but I don't mind badgering them for some support.

The vizio root scene is pretty dead...BUMP?
Sent from my Incredible using XDA

I've been waiting on the sidelines, hoping for root before I got my tablet but my family all chipped in and I got mine for my birthday (May 20th).
I've asked a friend if he'd be interested in attempting to root the newest Honeycomb release. I'm waiting for a response from him but while I was showing it to him he made the comment, "are you rooted? It shouldn't be that difficult." He's a programmer with linux experience and since there doesn't seem to be any legit developer working on root, maybe his expertise is what we need.
If he shows interest in the project, we'll need to get him a vtab to work on. I can start a kickstarter for the ~$200 necessary.
This is all contingent on his interest in the project. I'll let you guys know.
Is there still a want/need for this? Will you be willing to donate to the cause?

I spoke with my dev. He's interested but just doesn't have the time. He's full-time employed. However, I have decided to return my vtab because of the major HDMI out issue. If you don't know, the vtab will not output to many tv's, I think because it outputs in 768 and not 720 so many televisions do not know how to handle this. I'm going to be getting the Acer Iconia a500 which has multiple dev's support already and many roms available. I wish everyone who's decided to stick it out, good luck and I hope you get root soon.

Just and update this device has been rooted for gingerbread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2543539