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pushmail/exchange confusion... driving me nuts. arrr

Hi. I've been using mail2web services for a while. They were great until the last couple of weeks, now their service goes down like a pro.
So.. I started to look at alternatives.
fastmail -- nice account, IMAP.. but for the life of me I couldn't get it to "push" email to my phone. It supposedly supports IDLE, but I couldn't figure this out. Am I missing a setting somewhere? The thing never pushed mail to my phone at all.
1and1.com -- slightly more expensive exchange2003 account. No .CAB for the activesynch settings, they have to be input manually. No problem, until I set "as arrives" in scheduling and it asks me for an SMS gateway. Uh-oh. Im on Softbank and I know nothing about any gateway.
this post:
http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=410683
explains that Exchange works by sending a header SMS to instruct the phone to synch. However, mail2web never asked me for my provider or any SMS gateway.. so if this is how it works how did mail2web do it?
If anyone can shed some light on how to get this working properly, or where to find more technical details on how this stuff works I'd be a lot happier. As it is I'm having to check gmail periodically.
Thanks for your help!

I think your getting mixed up a bit sir, mail2web uses the push feature because it uses your GPRS connection to talk to it. If you ran a netstat program to see what the device is currently connected to you will see an active connection to mobile.exchange.mail2web.com, as soon as an email arrives it signals activsync on your device to synchronise your emails, the device simply tells you that there is an unread message. The connection is always on. If you have GSM signal but no active data connection you wont get your push emails.
The connection is always on but stuff is sent to and fro only when there is a change on one end (for example if you add a new contact.....it will sync with the mail2web server and the new contact will be on there aswell).
and FYI...mail2web has been a bit unreliable lately but its ok at the moment!?

Thanks for the info.
So..... do you have any advice as to how I would set up activesynch the same way to connect to 1and1?
When I set it up it asks me for the gateway, otherwise won't let me choose "when arrives" for scheduling, could this be a setting on my side, or a setting on their servers?
mail2web may be OK now, but for a non-free service 1 whole week of unreliability is enough for me. Who knows how long it'll be up before problems start again.

mrvanx said:
I think your getting mixed up a bit sir, mail2web uses the push feature because it uses your GPRS connection to talk to it. If you ran a netstat program to see what the device is currently connected to you will see an active connection to mobile.exchange.mail2web.com, as soon as an email arrives it signals activsync on your device to synchronise your emails, the device simply tells you that there is an unread message. The connection is always on. If you have GSM signal but no active data connection you wont get your push emails.
The connection is always on but stuff is sent to and fro only when there is a change on one end (for example if you add a new contact.....it will sync with the mail2web server and the new contact will be on there aswell).
and FYI...mail2web has been a bit unreliable lately but its ok at the moment!?
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mail2web seems back to normal service today... Nearly
But yes one week without push... including sometimes when your email just do not even reach your acount and bounce (ie they're just lost...) it's not really what we need
I hope in the future more and more providers will propose Exchange 2007 accounts by default...

I am also a former m2w user. canceled my account in fury after indeed more than three weeks of problems, topped with a week off.
Fortunately my school's email supports ActiveSync so I moved there.
I cannot recommend any particular commercial replacement.
I've heard a few folks using Goodlink, but I am not convinced.
Push email is no joke, once you have it and rely on it, and it goes bananas, the harm is real.

Do we know when mail2web is planning on using exchange 2007??

S: Instant Messenger without battery drain

I am looking for an instant messenger application that is easy on the battery of my HTC Fuze. I tried Beejive, but it just runs down my battery in no time when connected. I also tried OZ, which uses SMS instead of a data connection. This of course saves some battery life as it doesn't need an always-on data connection, but it would also quickly decrease the pool of my included text messages.
I was searching for a solution that would allow forwarding of instant messages via email. And if I were to receive such an email, I could then fire up Beejive and engage in the conversation. Does anyone know about such a service? I googled like crazy but couldn't find a thing.
As an FYI, I am using my HTC Fuze on T-Mobile with the $20 Blackberry unlimited data plan and a bucket of 400 text messages.

i would say that the im client is the least of the batt drain thing
the fact that the phone have to be online with gprs or wifi all the time
to be connected is what drains the power
which program would not make much of a diffrence

cannondale0815 said:
I am looking for an instant messenger application that is easy on the battery of my HTC Fuze. I tried Beejive, but it just runs down my battery in no time when connected. I also tried OZ, which uses SMS instead of a data connection. This of course saves some battery life as it doesn't need an always-on data connection, but it would also quickly decrease the pool of my included text messages.
I was searching for a solution that would allow forwarding of instant messages via email. And if I were to receive such an email, I could then fire up Beejive and engage in the conversation. Does anyone know about such a service? I googled like crazy but couldn't find a thing.
As an FYI, I am using my HTC Fuze on T-Mobile with the $20 Blackberry unlimited data plan and a bucket of 400 text messages.
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I think I might have a solution... Scratch the Blackberry plan, add T-Zones 5.99 plan and an unlimited 15$ a month text plan and your good for a buck extra a month.

Not a bad idea, if I wasn't using the Blackberry Connect software to get push-mail -- which is surprisingly gentle on my battery, even though it uses an always-on EDGE connection.

I'm trialing this at the moment, tempted to buy it when my 7 days runs out
http://www.shapeservices.com/en/products/details.php?product=im&platform=pocketpc
Very little battery drain and when signal drops can forward messages to an email address you specify

verizon data plans and exchange

Prob. a noob question, but I have searched this and other forums with no definitive answer. If anyone would know, I figured users of this forums would.
Verizon reps usually know less that I do about WinMo.
I have just ordered a TP2 and am new to WimMo. Had a BB storm, but liked the flexibility and customizations of WM and the keyboard.
I ordered the 29.99 data plan. Please tell me if the following is possible. I want to sync to my home computer outlook calendar and contacts -- can do wired sync every day or two as I will need to charge anyway. I can then do home email through a POP server on the basic data plan.
I also have a work exchange server (2003 I think). Would like to get email wirelessly from work, but likely would not sync calendar and contacts. Question is -- can I wirelessly sync with exchange on the 29.99 data plan, or will I need to use the OWA client? If I use OWA, what will sync wirelessly?
Last question -- what would the 44.99 data plan offer? Particularly if there third party apps I might add to help anyway?
Many thanks for your help. This is my first post but I am sure to be here often and pledge to support your work if I end up flashing a cooked ROM, etc.

I will pass along the little that I know
You can only have one exchange server account. So if you use that for your work e-mail, your other synch's must be POP or whatever.
I set up gmail, and also google calendar and contacts. The latter two used exchange. Then I could not set up work e-mail.
I started up and set up work email, work calender and work contacts (and tasks). Then set up just Gmail which is not exchange. Works like a charm. I had to standardize on one procduct (office at work) for contacts, calender and tasks because exchange was the only way to get work email.
Hope that helps.
Also, I never understood the two data plans. The cheaper seems to do it all, I think the more expensive plan is blackberry related.

The $45 data plan allows you to sync with exchange using MAPI. This gives you push email. If all you want is to get your mail from your exchange server, then you can use POP3 or IMAP on the cheaper internet connection. These will not give calendar/contacts. Hopefully these are turned on at work. I can't see the extra $15 being appropriate, but unfortunately I pay it for my exchange 2007.

MetalHd said:
The $45 data plan allows you to sync with exchange using MAPI. This gives you push email. If all you want is to get your mail from your exchange server, then you can use POP3 or IMAP on the cheaper internet connection. These will not give calendar/contacts. Hopefully these are turned on at work. I can't see the extra $15 being appropriate, but unfortunately I pay it for my exchange 2007.
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Actually not true. You can still get full exchange/push support on the $30 plan. From what I was told, $45 is for synching to your PC.
I actually wonder if this is something left over from the Black Berry plans where if you need Exchange support, you pay $45. But they do get push on all accounts though.

MetalHd said:
The $45 data plan allows you to sync with exchange using MAPI. This gives you push email. If all you want is to get your mail from your exchange server, then you can use POP3 or IMAP on the cheaper internet connection. These will not give calendar/contacts. Hopefully these are turned on at work. I can't see the extra $15 being appropriate, but unfortunately I pay it for my exchange 2007.
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WRONG
Your $30 will plan will work for push email.. I'm using it with gmail, and it works fine.. The $45 plan "allows" you to use verizons retarded sync program and some other things maybe.. Which requires you to keep a computer on, running vzs software.. VZ sync software sucks.. Oh, and you're wasting $15, call vz and switch to the cheaper plan

I have the $29 plan.
I have push email with my work exchange server.
I activesync/charge to my home PC.
I have a scheduled download from two other POP accounts.

worwig said:
I have the $29 plan.
I have push email with my work exchange server.
I activesync/charge to my home PC.
I have a scheduled download from two other POP accounts.
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Can you please list your settings to get get push mail to work? For example with gmail. I can't get gmail to push (or download attachments). All other pop accounts are working fine.
PS. i have TP2 vzw stock rom.

Verizon doesnt do a good job of clarifying their data plans. they want to nickel and dime us out of so much,they list charges for almost every specific feature a phone has and thats pitiful
I use the push/exchange on my phone for my campus email that uses exchange. I have the 29.99 data plan as well. I also use Internet Sharing on my phone ALL THE TIME...and i heard your supposed to have a tethering plan with 5GB and thats non sense. and when u call and talk to the reps they sound contradicting about smartphone data plans and the exchange thing. i just use what works....i havent had an overages so im keeping everything 29.99 until they decide to raise their prices again

Verizon Wireless, ooohh don't get me started with them :nono:
Speaking of data plans, have you guys seen the new ridiculously priced pre-paid data plans from Vzw?
PrePaid Daily broadband - 75MB @ $15
PrePaid Weekly - 200 MB @ $30
PrePaid Monthly - 500 MB @ $50
OMG man, what a RIP! Verizon Wireless - We never stop working AGAINST you!

Required Data Plan????
I currently am using a PPC 6800 when I was on Alltel and now Verizon. I went through about 3 store reps all telling me I HAD to get a data plan with the phone until I finally found someone who knew what they were talking about. I want to upgrade to the TP2. I use my phone to sync with Outlook and the WM applications and don't do any on line stuff. I currently have voice only plan and want to keep it that way. The Verizon rep I talked to said I had to have a data plan and that the phone would not work at all if I didn't. Are they blowing smoke up my skirt or is that the real skinny?
All I am interested in is using it for a voice phone and the occasional text message. My 6800 everytime I reset it I go into Connections and delete the Alltel wireless connection. Will the TP2 work without a data plan as a phone?

Green Hornut said:
I currently am using a PPC 6800 when I was on Alltel and now Verizon. I went through about 3 store reps all telling me I HAD to get a data plan with the phone until I finally found someone who knew what they were talking about. I want to upgrade to the TP2. I use my phone to sync with Outlook and the WM applications and don't do any on line stuff. I currently have voice only plan and want to keep it that way. The Verizon rep I talked to said I had to have a data plan and that the phone would not work at all if I didn't. Are they blowing smoke up my skirt or is that the real skinny?
All I am interested in is using it for a voice phone and the occasional text message. My 6800 everytime I reset it I go into Connections and delete the Alltel wireless connection. Will the TP2 work without a data plan as a phone?
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Any PDA phone that was released as of Nov. 14th 2008 does require the data plans to activate. Convinient timeng with the release of the Touch Pro. I have heard stories of people getting a waranty exchange from the xv6800 without data plans to the TP and some reps working around not adding the data plans. But most Reps will try and force you to get data even on a XV6800. All you have to do is tell them you want the pay per use feature or have them block national access. However blocking national access does turn off the ability to recieve MMS.
I tell my customers to get XV6800's when they just want the sync part of the phone for calander and non data functions.

Anyone sync via push without a data plan on T-Mobile?

Hey, I'm really frustrated with T-Mobile right now. I've been using wap.voicestream.com to sync my email, contacts, tasks and calendar then they tell me that they're offering a free 30-day trial of their data plan and I take them up on it. I never intended on signing up for the data plan but didn't mind the free no-risk trial.
30-days is up and I have them remove the data plan and now I can no longer sync with exchange via push over wap.voicestream.com. Now they are telling me that it was a fluke and should never of worked before. Is anyone else able to sync with exchange via push without a data plan? (i.e., just by putting a connection to wap.voicestream.com into their phone?)

Billable data

Hello everyone. I'm running an unlocked HTC myTouch 4g slide on AT&T, but the truth is, I have no data plan. Originally, I had disabled all internet access completely, but it removed my ability to send and receive mms message. This angered me because I wasn't getting the service that I payed for because I chose to ignore their outrageously priced data plans. Needless to say, I quickly reenabled data access, but I'm watching it like a hawk.
On my phone, I've disabled my phones data connection (Android 2.3.4 settings menu) and made it such that it can only connect through wifi. For one reason or another, it still allows me to send or receive messages, which I'm grateful for. On the other end of the spectrum, through monitoring with 3g watchdog, I'm noticing that I'm still sending and receiving data. At first, I thought this just to be texting, because, as far as I'm aware, texting works by bandwagoning on the data.
Unfortunately, my assumption was wrong. After not receiving or sending a text for a few hours, I noticed that I used about 15kb of data. My question is whether or not it's billable, especially since I disabled my cell phones data through the firmware.
Thanks.

SMS wont use data, MMS will.
If those 15kb are billable... no way to find out besides waiting for the bill.
Measuring traffic is not an exact science on android.