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Hello All,
I am running
ROM: TNT.1933 TouchFLO Edition
I/SPL is 2.25
Radio is 2.19.11 and
OS is 11.0.0.1
TNT comes with Oxios Hibernate and CloseApps, which seems to have very naughty behavior on my system. I can only ever open one application, even if I just switch to “Today” from an open app, the app I was in closes (not shown in Task Manager, truly closed). This stinks. Tried to delete the .exe files, but can’t – they’re marked as “ROM” and “READ ONLY” and can’t make a change to those – just reverts right back. Also can’t kill the prog via task manager because it doesn’t show up there. Please please please tell me how to get rid of this program bundle – I really really hate it!
Thanks!
-tynk-
Both oxious closeapp and hibernate only do something when YOU run them...they run once and exit...the difference between the two is closeapps tries to close ALL apps...hibernate tries to free as much memory as it can without closing any apps.
Neither would be closing any apps without your knowledge.
that's what I thought, too!
But soft reset or shutdown/restart, and upon loading the today screen, the progs up and running (can see the closeapps bars in upper left corner of the screen). I checked startup and it isn't in there (even checked "show all files" in case it's hidden, but nothing).
From my research (yes, I did try figuring this out on my own - other than a couple mentions of instability with these two progs and WM6, there wasn't any good help to be found ), I thought if I didn't click on either icon, it wouldn't start but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
They are somehow loading/starting automatically, so even if I could change the attributes so they were 'delete-able', if I can't get them to stop running (again, neither is visible in taskmanager), I won't be able to delete them! Arrrggg!
Thanks for the response, though! Any other thoughts?
First, any programs built into the rom can NOT be removed. You could create dummy files (create a blank text file and rename it to the name of the file you want to "remove" and it will be used instead of the one in the rom).
For them to be starting automatically as you claim, then there has to be either a link for them in the \Windows\Startup folder, or an entry in the registry (look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\init , or just do a search with a registry editor).
But as Famewolf indicated, what you are describing is NOT how either of these programs work. They don't stay in memory and continue to run. You start them, they try to free up memory (in two different ways depending on which one you run) and then put up a dialog to show you what they did. After you close the dialog then they exit.
I'm not doubting the behavior you are seeing on your phone, but I am doubting that you are looking in the right direction claiming that the Oxios apps are causing this. As I tell people that run my own roms... If things don't work for you, then switch to a different rom. Also, if you've installed ANYTHING on the rom, then make sure what you have installed is working properly and isn't what is causing the issue. If you hardreset or reflash, and do NOT install anything else, do you still see this same behavior?
Finally, due to the odd nature of your problem, did you by chance install the rom, then do some sort of restore from like spb backup or sprite backup or similar? If so, you've most likely screwed up the registry as you can not restore a backup from one rom to another one.
Good luck, and hope maybe this helps you in figuring out what is going on.
famewolf said:
Both oxious closeapp and hibernate only do something when YOU run them...they run once and exit...
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NOT TRUE!
oxios with skull icon(i forgot its name, because i am not using it, only hibernate..)WILL close ANY app that is running in background!!!!!
so be aware of this.,
nothin said:
NOT TRUE!
oxios with skull icon(i forgot its name, because i am not using it, only hibernate..)WILL close ANY app that is running in background!!!!!
so be aware of this.,
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guys, both of you are right
first, both oxios apps will be started after the request from the user, then do their job and exit. The skull-one will close apps, the snowflake (or what it is) will free memory. But none of the application will be running in background, closing everything the user starts
His observation is correct, silly as it may sound.
For a long time i wondered why my apps would keep closing (i was using mbutton so i could see which apps were open), as soon as i opened another app, the app which went to background would get closed, even though I would have plenty of program memory free. I started tracking the reason for this and soon found out that this behaviour started as soon as i executed oxios hibernate. It would keep happening until i did a soft-reset, after which the system would work fine until (guess what!) i ran the hibernate app again!
Best thing to do is get the sktools lite version and use its free ram shortcut. Or better yet, forget about free ram at all, remove all indicators on your today screen etc etc, and surprisingly you'll never be worried about free ram and your system will work smoothly enough. If you're so worried about free ram, schedule your system to automatically soft reset once a day during the night.
ammarr said:
His observation is correct, silly as it may sound.
For a long time i wondered why my apps would keep closing (i was using mbutton so i could see which apps were open), as soon as i opened another app, the app which went to background would get closed, even though I would have plenty of program memory free. I started tracking the reason for this and soon found out that this behaviour started as soon as i executed oxios hibernate. It would keep happening until i did a soft-reset, after which the system would work fine until (guess what!) i ran the hibernate app again!
Best thing to do is get the sktools lite version and use its free ram shortcut. Or better yet, forget about free ram at all, remove all indicators on your today screen etc etc, and surprisingly you'll never be worried about free ram and your system will work smoothly enough. If you're so worried about free ram, schedule your system to automatically soft reset once a day during the night.
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I use oxios hibernate ALL THE TIME..I even have it on a quick launcher button....having apps close on their own is NOT normal behavior and I'll say again oxios hibernate is not causing this..I keep palringo and other apps running all the time in background...either your registry had issues or your rom did because it works fine here...I sometimes go days without rebooting the phone because of oxios hibernate.
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I use oxios hibernate ALL THE TIME..I even have it on a quick launcher button....having apps close on their own is NOT normal behavior and I'll say again oxios hibernate is not causing this..I keep palringo and other apps running all the time in background...either your registry had issues or your rom did because it works fine here...I sometimes go days without rebooting the phone because of oxios hibernate.
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I have traced the problem specifically back to oxios hibernate. It does not happen with sktools free ram. For some reason the WM_HIBERNATE message doesn't die and keeps killing all background applications. I've had the problem on the stock wm5, ppctuning's superrom, wrcx1 etc etc (basically all ROMs i've tried).
There could be a reason why this is just happening for some devices, i dunno, but the culprit definitely is oxios hibernate.
Have you tried to check your softkeys? I had a problem with them and even if the label says an app when I pressed the button ot activated another thing... well that happeneded sometimes... now it works correctly...
Hi All,
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I really am stumped on this one. Checked my registry (did searches for 'oxios', 'hibernate', and 'close') and found nothing. Yet after a soft-reset or normal restart, it's up and running again, and I am unable to open multiple apps or switch from one to the other and back.
I did have an odd thought - I am assuming the program in question is Oxios CloseApps, but maybe I'm wrong? I can't access any of the options on it, so just occurred to me to check. On the today screen, upper right corner, next to the time is a set of 3 small horizontal bars (forming a box) with a small up arrow. Tapping this yields a single line iconic menu that has a set of three boxes, a wrench, and a 'memory' bar with %. If I click on the boxes or wrench, nothing happens. If I click on the memory icon, it takes me to my Memory setting, showing how much storage and program memory I have, my storage card, and my running progs (no, this is not ever listed there - if only it were that easy!) This is CloseApps, right?
Thanks again for all the help!
Tynkrrbell said:
Hi All,
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I really am stumped on this one. Checked my registry (did searches for 'oxios', 'hibernate', and 'close') and found nothing. Yet after a soft-reset or normal restart, it's up and running again, and I am unable to open multiple apps or switch from one to the other and back.
I did have an odd thought - I am assuming the program in question is Oxios CloseApps, but maybe I'm wrong? I can't access any of the options on it, so just occurred to me to check. On the today screen, upper right corner, next to the time is a set of 3 small horizontal bars (forming a box) with a small up arrow. Tapping this yields a single line iconic menu that has a set of three boxes, a wrench, and a 'memory' bar with %. If I click on the boxes or wrench, nothing happens. If I click on the memory icon, it takes me to my Memory setting, showing how much storage and program memory I have, my storage card, and my running progs (no, this is not ever listed there - if only it were that easy!) This is CloseApps, right?
Thanks again for all the help!
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the program you are talking about is
HTC Task-Manager 2.0 / x button
go to start - settings - system - task manager
steph
Whenever I try to run a background application (like playing music with Media Player) and I return to the home screen or I open another application through the start menu, my TC kills the background application after a few seconds. Does this also happen to any of you? Is it something I've done? As it is, I cannot multitask, and frankly it is very annoying.
Just for the record, I'm not closing applications with the X button (configured to minimize only), but this happens even if I switch applications without touching the X button.
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Whenever I try to run a background application (like playing music with Media Player) and I return to the home screen or I open another application through the start menu, my TC kills the background application after a few seconds. Does this also happen to any of you? Is it something I've done? As it is, I cannot multitask, and frankly it is very annoying.
Just for the record, I'm not closing applications with the X button (configured to minimize only), but this happens even if I switch applications without touching the X button.
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This happens to me as well. I especially find this troublesome, because I'm running SecondToday for some critical plugins, like PhoneAlarm. The OS always kills SecondToday when I'm trying to activesync or if I open a large program, like Copilot. It does this despite the fact I have over 100MB of free program memory. Very frustrating.
I've found that if I have more than 110MB free, it will leave most programs alone. It's when I get below 110MB that it starts to kill programs. Not sure why it's closing programs with so much free program memory... :-/
By the way, this is known WM behaviour. I'm just used to it doing it when I'm down to 4-6MB left.
This was a thorn in my side for almost a week until I found this fix:
Using a registry editor (I use Total Commander) go to
//registry / HKCU / software / HTC / Taskmanager / EnableAutoKill
Value by default is "1"
Change to "0"
Do a soft reset and your problem will be solved
There is also a way to decrease the threshold so that it will autokill when less than the default memory is remaining, but for me; when I have the most things running is likely to be the worst time for the phone to autokill my processes. That is why I would disable it altogether
It worked... Thanks!
I actually tried that tweak several days ago, but it did not solve the problem. It appears something else besides the HTC task manager was killing SecondToday. I suspect the actual OS, because it would happen ALWAYS when I tried to Activesync.
I've since scrapped SecondToday and am using another method to run PhoneAlarm on the actual Today screen, which is much more reliable. I needed a stable solution.
I thnk you can under task manager, assign those programs to the exclusive list, then it won't shut it down?
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I thnk you can under task manager, assign those programs to the exclusive list, then it won't shut it down?
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Nah. That was the first thing I tried.
That won't keep WM from killing programs anyway, if the OS *thinks* it needs more memory.
This has always been a "feature" of WM -- I just don't understand why it's killing apps when I have >100MB of free program memory... ??
I just flashed to fresh Rom 0.6b and I also use advanced task killer now I kill everything except my messages and mail app. But I can go back 10mins layer let's say and more apps are running and I never opened them. I can't figure out why if its the Rom or the task killer? killer? Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
Which apps are running? I know that peep like to restart itself all of the time.
I'm having trouble with Sprint navigation restarting by it self I don't know if another app o have is forcing to open nut it sucks bc it uses so much of my battery when its running and every time I see it running I just end the app but I wanna disable it from start up
I noticed on my Stock Unrooted Hero that apps would run constantly by them selves even after a task killer cleared them. I think its the joy of our provider hijacking the phone and telling us what we want.
i use an app called taskpanel, it is one of the only task killer apps to have an auto-killer, you can set it to 5, 15, 30 ect. minutes and it will close any app that is opened, it is also good cuz if you have an app in the foreground it wont close it until you finished
The main thing that custom roms were first addressing on the CDMA Hero are those programs that like to run in the background.
For instance... Sprint Navigation launches automatically when you get a text. I assume it has something to deal with the fact that you can text someone a location straight from Sprint Nav and it will show up in your Sprint Nav.
My personal opinion... stop using task killers. Honestly my phone became much happier when I stopped. I feel that the phone actually runs better when you aren't constantly terminating applications that aren't ready to be closed. Just let the phone do it's thing and uninstall your task killer programs.
I understand and agree about the task killers but if i have sprint naviagation running in the background all day long since i text alot my battery is going to drain down and not really gonna let me last the entire day. so what do you recommend in that situation...? or is there no solution to that yet?
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I understand and agree about the task killers but if i have sprint naviagation running in the background all day long since i text alot my battery is going to drain down and not really gonna let me last the entire day. so what do you recommend in that situation...? or is there no solution to that yet?
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The easiest recommendation would be to remove sprint navigation. There is also a great app out there called "Autostarts" that will let you view what starts when. You can go under sms and disable sprint nav. However that program hasn't worked for me since the 1.56 update. It still sees everything and tells you what starts when but if you actually try and disable something it just locks up.
ok thanks for that, and I love the blue themed you added for the rom, anyway you can come out with one that has pink replacing the blue because my girlfriend is dying for that..just a request of different colors would be cool.
After rooting my phone and removing the ATT bloatware, I noticed that my Advanced Task Killer (Free) program lists more programs running in the background than before? Lots of programs that never popped up when the phone was stock now are showing up in the Task Killer program as running? Is this right? Did something screw up? If I kill all those processes the only ones that consistently comes back are HandCent SMS and Clock.
I've been noticing the default messaging app and clock open up a lot, and sometimes other apps too, like ESPN ScoreCenter, Facebook, etc. are opening up by themselves. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?
I've noticed that my GPS kicks on every once in awhile too randomly. Usually when I can tell something's running in the background.
If you turn off Background Data in Settings>Accounts and Sync, it stops it almost in its entirety, but you have to turn it on to access the Market. My guess is it's just the programs collecting or sending data regarding use of the program, or with the clock (and possibly other programs) updating itself.
I can see the logic in that some apps need to update, but I never saw these same apps exhibit this behavior before I rooted. ie) Apps running themselves and showing up in my Advanced Task Killer program and now I have to kill them where before I never knew they were there in the first place. No changes to my phone except root. Are these based on the General Sync Settings options like Background Data or AutoSync? I just don't like the idea of all these apps running when I never started them in the first place.
I think you just didn't see them before... rooting isnt going to make apps randomly start doing things they didnt do before.
This needs to be in the gerenral section as well.
it shouldnt cause more to run :/
Sorry if this post is in the wrong section. But yeah, I know those apps that are popping up now weren't there before. I'm sure I didn't miss seeing them as I have all the settings for Advanced Task Killer program set the same in terms of security levels.
Are you saying that rooting my phone made the apps show up now (as in they were just hidden to the OS/program prior to rooting)?
eh
Well The same thing used to happen to me on my HTC desire so it must just be Android (maybe has to do with the build) or just Android in general. I would get stuff like settings and such in the task managers as well etc, exactly to what you guys are describing. They were not really used or needed programs so ending the tasks was no problem. No clue, but this is not only on this device
And yes my HTC DESIRE was rooted as well
Moved to General.
Hey guys,
Got my phone about 3 weeks ago, and have been reading and debating on which ROM to install. Throughout this time I downloaded my alarm clock, pandora, Zedge, and smart keyboard pro. All this was done day one.
On Sunday while trying to perform a google search, every time i hit the "go" button the browser closed. After the 5th time i restarted the phone. Then I let it get up and running.. great, used it, no problems. Set the phone down, half hour later or so it restarts all on it's own. Great...
Then monday night, I wake up to the phone restarting again, randomly. The bootup sound woke me up. All of a sudden yesterday, the phone reboots all the f***ing time, like 5 times while I was at work. Last night it did it again. This morning while getting ready for work, again, when I was driving to work, again, walking out of the parking lot to my office, I get a text, read the text, put the phone back in my pocket, restarts again!
Anybody know what the hell is going on? I did a google search and this problem seems rare, but it's happening so f***ing much.
There also appears to be no task manager on this Phone stock, whereas any other phone you can hold the Home button and see a list of all running services. (thanks for that retarded call HTC) So I can't tell whats running, or kill apps/services 1 by 1 to see what helps..
I am taking this phone back to the store today, question is, do I replace it with another Inspire, or a different device...
I would replace it with another inspire because at this point at&t doesnt have an android device with the rom support that the inspire/desire has.
GTIVRon said:
Hey guys,
Got my phone about 3 weeks ago, and have been reading and debating on which ROM to install. Throughout this time I downloaded my alarm clock, pandora, Zedge, and smart keyboard pro. All this was done day one.
On Sunday while trying to perform a google search, every time i hit the "go" button the browser closed. After the 5th time i restarted the phone. Then I let it get up and running.. great, used it, no problems. Set the phone down, half hour later or so it restarts all on it's own. Great...
Then monday night, I wake up to the phone restarting again, randomly. The bootup sound woke me up. All of a sudden yesterday, the phone reboots all the f***ing time, like 5 times while I was at work. Last night it did it again. This morning while getting ready for work, again, when I was driving to work, again, walking out of the parking lot to my office, I get a text, read the text, put the phone back in my pocket, restarts again!
Anybody know what the hell is going on? I did a google search and this problem seems rare, but it's happening so f***ing much.
There also appears to be no task manager on this Phone stock, whereas any other phone you can hold the Home button and see a list of all running services. (thanks for that retarded call HTC) So I can't tell whats running, or kill apps/services 1 by 1 to see what helps..
I am taking this phone back to the store today, question is, do I replace it with another Inspire, or a different device...
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You got a lemon. Get a replacement.
Though I'm not running stock, from what I recall, pressing and holding the home button did pop up the list of tasks. I know it does for me now, running the gingerbread based Rom I'm running atm.
It is also available by pulling down the notification bar.
Like I said, I think you got a bad phone.
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I will go make an exchange then..
Thanks!
Also, stock, holding the home button and pulling down taskbar thing shows recently used apps. Not a task manager of any kind.
GTIVRon said:
I will go make an exchange then..
Thanks!
Also, stock, holding the home button and pulling down taskbar thing shows recently used apps. Not a task manager of any kind.
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My understanding of "task manager" type of functionality in Android IS recently used apps. It pops up a list of of the last several things you used. Since Android isn't multi-windowed, that's really all you can do anyway.
If by switching tasks you mean going to another task and having it be in the same state as you left it (ie on the same web page you were looking at in the browser before you switched to another activity), that's dependent on the way you move away from an app... Whether you push the back key (which "closes" down and "resets" the apps state, or if you just push home to select another activity, which keeps the apps state as it exists at the time of switching.
Unless I'm missing something...
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By task manager i mean, on my captivate, when I held down the home button I got a list of recently used apps, and a button to go into Task Manager, much like CTRL ALT DEL on a computer, then task manager. It showed a list of all currently running processes, both foreground and background, and the option to stop/close any of the services or apps.
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By task manager i mean, on my captivate, when I held down the home button I got a list of recently used apps, and a button to go into Task Manager, much like CTRL ALT DEL on a computer, then task manager. It showed a list of all currently running processes, both foreground and background, and the option to stop/close any of the services or apps.
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Well, I had a captivate, though it's been awhile, and I had forgotten about that.
You can do essentially the same thing though, there's just not a direct button to go to the manage apps area of settings that has the running apps/services list that you're referring to.
My guess is that it could be by design that this button is absent, as for the most part, as it isn't good practice to be killing apps and services in Android as one would in windows.
Removing that direct path to that level of app management eliminates the temptation for common users to be indiscriminately "closing" stuff when it doesn't work the same way on an Android phone as it does on a desktop OS.
I consider myself a power user, but I rarely go to the list of apps for purposes of termination. It's more of a special occasion, when I suspect an app is misbehaving.
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