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Hi all,
I was hoping to upgrade to Diamond when its out in the UK. But now the Samsung Omnia is out, I am a bit confused as to which one to go for. I invite everyone to give your opinion on it. I am sure there are many like me out there.
MY initial views are;
Diamond is a cool phone and the HTC have years of experience with WM phones. But it does have its own flows like HTC doesnt seem to know how to make proper camera and issues with video drivers. And their headphones are good for nothing. I really think these areas will be better with Omnia, at least the 5MP camera and the headphone quality.
On the other side, Omnia is slightly bigger and and heavier than the Diamond. And the display is Qvga? (I am not an expert on this). Both have GPS and Accelerometer and stuff.
So guys give us your opinion on this.
Cheers
Jugulator
I'm desperatly trying to source my Omnia from Asia as its not out here in the UK yet. I currently have a G900 and whilst the screen is spanking, its camera is rubbish and it doesn't have GPS, which i REALLY want.
As for HTC, having had 3 HTC devices and having had to return said devices 6 times in total for hardware repairs I will never, ever, ever buy a HTC device again. Oh and just to add, the guy that sits oposite me in the office has an orange branded TyTN, i mentioned the build quality to him about 6 months ago and he laughed at me and said his worked perfectly. Guess what, he finaly threw the thing in the bin today as the last of the front hardware keys gave up on him.
So, don't care if HTC make the greatest phone on the planet, i ain't buying it.
I like the specs of the Omni, but the UI does not appear up to par on the whole compared to that of the Diamond/Rafael.
http://samsungomnia.com/omnia-videos/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaXA9un7YE
Thanks for the video. Interesting GUI. I definately like the design of the Omnia. The GUI looks a little bit slugglish and unresponsive at times. But with a large screen (although low pixel dimension), 5MP camera & 16GB max storage--it's hard to say no. The widescreen QVGA is disturbing for a feature rich phone like this. The iPhone hides the pixel dimensions nicely so I'm hoping this one will too.
I'm passing on the Diamond (because of the 4GB max storage) and hoping for the Touch Pro. If you can port TouchFlo 3D on the Omnia and have it be as fluid as the iPhone UI, I would seriously buy it.
VGA and QVGA
Could someone shred some light on the difference between VGA and QVGA? If this is significantly different, I would favour Diamond than Omnia, plus smaller size and weight. But at the same time I would like to try something other than HTC..lol.
Get the Rapheal it will be better than both the Omnia and Diamond.
This Omni phones got my eye, will add it to the review list on the Formal '08 smart phone comparison. Check my signature.
Hmmm touch choice, X1, Pro, or Omnia. Depends on the Camera I get really, no camer -> probably omnia, Good camera-> one of the others. 5MP is sick, and considering HTC Cameras are ****, it makes the 5 even better.
Rory
Go for the Omnia. If you look at the videos from youtube, the omnia opens apps REALLY FAST. It may not be as responsive as we should want, probably due to the screen, but the processor speed makes up for it. Not to mention the 16 GB storage and micro SD slot. It has XVID and DIVX support out of the box, so you know it will definitely perform well with videos. The 5 MP camera also s a huge plus. The only drawbacks I could think off is how good will the battery last in a day of use, and the wide QVGA screen which might not be compatible with most or all available apps yet.
I had a dilemma choosing between the Advantage X7510 and the Omnia, but in the end, I opted for the BIG SCREEN and good battery life of the X7510.
But with the choices you have given, go for the Omnia.
jugulator said:
Could someone shred some light on the difference between VGA and QVGA? If this is significantly different, I would favour Diamond than Omnia, plus smaller size and weight. But at the same time I would like to try something other than HTC..lol.
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VGA is 640 by 480 screen resolution while QVGA is 320 by 240 resolution. Basically VGA screen have 4 times as much clarity and quality as QVGA screens, in theory atleast.
I too am thinking of the SGH-i907. I will be moving and need to switch to GSM and sense the i907 is going to AT&T that will work just fine for me. But I will have to use it in Verizon/AllHell network until I move. So I hope it will work ok. I think with the 8 or 16GB internal memory and the availability to use the external micro SD slot is nice. I guess to top it off they should have used a VGA screen but WGVA isn't too bad is it? What is the mp of the secondary camera? I am also wondering if Android can be ported to the i907?
Release Date: June, 2008
56.9x112x12.5mm, Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional , 32bit Marvell PXA320, 128MiB RAM, 16000MiB ROM, 3.2" 400x240 color transflective TFT display, video out, Proprietary audio jack, GSM850/GSM900/GSM1800/GSM1900/UMTS2100, CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, microSD/microSDHC/TransFlash/SDIO, Proprietary port, Bluetooth, WLAN, GPS, A-GPS, FM radio, accelerometer, 5MP camera, AF, flash, secondary camera, 1440mAh removable battery.
Anyone know what version of Opera 9.5 the i900 is running?
I'm thinking between HTC Touch Pro and Omnia. If possible want to get both of them to compare. But still worry about omnia regarding below issues:
1. no support on forum such as tweaking, customize and cook rom.
2. where to download the rom update? Samsung will give new rom update to improve their performance or not?
3. inside the package seem not include the stylus and pouch. at samsung webpage indicate that is an optional.
4. how good is Marvell PXA300 series processor? Stable or not? Fast enough or not to handle such a bulky 3d software.
Samsung Omnia (i-900)
I just got the Omnia here in Singapore and so far, its great! You can turn off most of the "fancy" (but not so useful features to me) iPhone like features and you get a great WM6.1 device with 16GB storage (+ I can add another 8GB micro SD). The battery life is good and I can swap batteries if I need to. The camera is 5MP, with flash and the video is good.
For those of you interested, here's a good review of the Omnia:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2606&cid=24&pg=1
Cheers!
kiawey said:
3. inside the package seem not include the stylus and pouch. at samsung webpage indicate that is an optional.
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I just went to a samsung roadshow in singapore yesterday
and i tried out the i900 there.
The lady told me the stylus is included in the package.
however it is nt like normal PDA phones where the stylus can be kept
'in' the phone itself. i900's stylus is hung outside like an accessory.
5 megapixel camera but doesn't seem to take photos like a 5 megapixel camera should. nokia's n95's camera seems better.
anyway, placed an order as the stock ran out by the time i got there.
How much you got it in Sing Dollar?
kiawey said:
How much you got it in Sing Dollar?
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it will be $498 with a 2 year line contract with Starhub in Singapore.
luckily i have a $200 voucher and a phone to trade-in..
davechew said:
I just got the Omnia here in Singapore and so far, its great! You can turn off most of the "fancy" (but not so useful features to me) iPhone like features and you get a great WM6.1 device with 16GB storage (+ I can add another 8GB micro SD). The battery life is good and I can swap batteries if I need to. The camera is 5MP, with flash and the video is good.
For those of you interested, here's a good review of the Omnia:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2606&cid=24&pg=1
Cheers!
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Thanks for posting the review! I really like it. The only deal breaker now is the $1000+ (US dollars?) price tag. With the falling value of the US Dollar, that's a hefty price to pay for a phone (those included features are great). 2 year contract for $500? I hope. But there's still the Touch Pro.
Hea-to-head Review
Here's a direct review of both phones plus side-by-side photos:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond_vs_samsung_i900_omnia-review-262.php
mphayvanh said:
Here's a direct review of both phones plus side-by-side photos:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond_vs_samsung_i900_omnia-review-262.php
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Excellent review. Seems unbiased and balanced, although, until someone has both handsets you can never be sure.
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http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2606&cid=24&pg=1
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Connectivity: GPS with Navigation
Bluetooth 2.0 with A2DP support
USB 2.0
Wi-Fi
Features:
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MS Office Document Viewer, Advanced PIM Apps,
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Dont think anyone in there right mind would call google maps "Navigation"? Also, MS Office VIEWER!? Reviews inaccurate from page one, not going to bother reading the rest.
After using my G900 (800 x 480) mobile for a year now, I can't say that High res screens float my boat. They are a massive drain on the battery and factoring in the physical size of the screen, really not that usefull in my opinion. Its seems to me like having a 1080p 32" tv, good in principle but unless its 46", you really don't see the full benefit.
I think i'm still looking at an I900 .... now if only they were in the shops in the UK!!!!!
p.s. Anyone from Singapore wana stick one on Ebay?
I just saw the new HTC Touch Pro 2. But as usually, it is not perfect. It is always missing some specs.
So I build one as I think could be a perfect devise. The name is HTC Touch Pro 3.
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
Have a look on the specs at: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda
Marcus Tavares said:
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
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I think it would cost at least £1000 SIM-free and, frankly, wouldn't sell to most people, simply because of the price.
All the Touch-Pro-2 needs really is a 3.5mm headphone socket.
Like the one they put on the Touch HD, damnit!
Best things in it:
- OLED display
- the projector. Build in a tripod and the TV output is not so important.
What it lacks:
- 50-200mm F/1.8 lens with image stabilization.
- Windows Mobile with CE Core 6.0.
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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I think this is the REAL PROBLEM here. All they could think of is how to squeeze more money from us.
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
12.1MP camera.
Lol it would be 12.1 mp of blur.
the problem with HTC
do u guys realize the software support for HTC sucks big time? For example I have a HTC Advantage. They could have improved the video playback of the G-sensor. Instead they just ignored it and went on selling other new products.
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
3?! 2 won't even be out for a few months.
dortyboy said:
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
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HTC release devices like the TP2 for those that need a keyboard, the Diamond for those that want something small, the HD for those that want films etc. They've realised there is no perfect device, so why not make something for everyone?
Also, those complaining about incremental improvements, look at the iPhone. So, the second gen has 3G. Which it should have had the first time around. That's about the only new thing hardware wise.
Also, no one is forcing you to by HTC. If you love the iPhone so much, go and buy one, and regret it.
I read your specs, and while it is good to dream, even maybe hint at a potential HTC engineer what to do next...you should also keep in mind some physical constraints, so here are my few remarks ;-)
a screen of 10 cm of diagonal, and a 5 way dpad seems very difficult to fit in a 59x116mm device. Your screen is 85mm high, add 2*2mm for borders, 7mm up for the front camera and loudspeaker, and u have 10mm to fit a 5 way dpad... difficult! and a zoom bar? forget it ;-)
Fitting an optical zoom in a 17 mm thick device? difficult, u would need to use 45 degree mirror to angle the zoom/captor 90 degree (it will be set in the width of the device)...and then u can forget about the projector...
Also, such arangements (optical zoom OR microprojector) would change the physical layout of your device. Basically, it would look more like the G1 than the touch pro, the DPAD/zoom bar should stay fixed with regard to keyboard to have some room to fit those devices.
USB3 is not supported by snapdragon, so this is not possible (additional control chip is not possible, for space and energy usage reasons)
same for wimax and 802.11n wifi...not sure it support 1080P output either, I think it is 720p. Recording in 1080P/30fps is certainly out of reach of the snapdragon...but even if it could do it, no way u could use such a resolution with the small lens in anything less than bright sunlight or studio lighting. and even then, i am not sure it would be better than 720P. 1080P camcoders need a significant lens opening, you need a lot of photons to get an acceptable signal/noise at 30 fps with so many pixels...
scroll wheel would be very nice! I wonder why this has faded from all current smartphones, it was popular at one time, and for good reasons: some kind of side control is great for navigating in lists, webpage or ebooks...So yes, here I am 100% with you: it is time for a comeback
And last: I think it is not possible to fit a 2100 mAh battery given the size of the device and the presence of a physical keyboard: it would have to be thicker..or without keyboard...batteries with higher energy density could allow it, but they are not available right now, and hoping for such a significant progress would push your dream device to long term future ;-)
Marcus Tavares said:
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
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3 megapixels is enough for amateur photography, especially in mobile phone
I prefer less megapixel with less noise than the opposite.
Do you make prints bigger than 20x30cm (8x12in.) ?
I did 20x30cm prints from 3mpix DSLR camera (Sigma SD9) and quality was very good...
Regards,
Adam
Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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I think multi-purposes camera are going back to CMOS. From what I understand, CMOS suffered from image non-uniformity...but this has been mostly solved. On the other hand, CMOS decrease price of supporting circuitry, but also allows for faster framerates. So the new photo/video camera with high framerate video recording (30fps/60fps/even more for slow motion) are going back to CMOS...
Oh, ok, thanks for the info man!
dream device= touch pro with faster cpu in a kaiser body.
i just have to have soft keys.
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
Waiting for Phone after Touch Pro 2
I bought the Mogul in 8/07 and the Touch Pro 1 in 10/08 and don't see the need to jump at the Touch Pro 2 for $500-$600 with only minor improvements, even if I can sell (which I always do) my TP1 on ebay. I'll wait for the phone after the TP 2 from HTC that has:
-WM 7
-5 MP camera
-better battery life
-700+ MHz processor
-4GB ROM
-1GB RAM
-etc., etc.
Going from the TP 1 to TP 2 is a waste of money IMHO and everyone making the jump won't be able to get the 2 year contract discount which is still $400 with it. I'll put my $400 to the next upgrade due in late 2010 or early 2011. I'm good with Mighty ROM 6...LOL
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Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
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Add TV-Out or a projector and I'll dish out $ for that, as long as it'll have att 3G (preferably unbranded)
Touch Pro3
Android or Webos
Cortex A8 Processor or Snapdragon/tegra.
same form factor+headphone jack
slightly larger screen because of the omission of the zoom bar.
same screen resolution.
i tried to be realistic because all these things are possible right now not some fantasy device. (with the exception of licensing Webos or just building it for Palm)
In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
My Dream Nexus
Okay, well I have been thinking about this for a while now, what I would like in a phone, not necessarily a Nexus, and this is what I have come up with. Please understand that I haven't used an Android phone (although I am getting a Galaxy S for Christmas, have found them cheap on eBay from people giving them up for Nexus S' ) so some of this may be irrelevant.
1) Well, to be honest, I don't care who makes it, as long as it is reliable and sturdy. I love the design of the HTC 1 (concept by Andrew Kim, Google it, I can't post links or pictures unfortunately), and it seems to fit HTC's recent designs, so I may as well go with HTC, having played with a Desire and Wildfire, I can't fault the quality.
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas!
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In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
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I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
@ OP
Post something more productive. There are other places u can go to post ur wishes n dreams.
kaivish said:
I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
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I'm sorry, but I think you may have misunderstood the point about no Star Trek stuff. Reasonable fantasies would probably be a better way of thinking of it, maybe something you could get within the next few years. Yes, phones will be obsolete within months of release, but as I mentioned in my post, I think software is the real contender in the future, so once you have a decent specced phone, the software can do the rest.
I'm personally interested in what people want from a phone which isn't out already. So if you think this isn't productive, you don't have to read it. I think some good stuff could come out of here, and you never know, Google or HTC could be listening
1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
CPU:
Snapdragon QSD8672 (1.5GHz Dualcore)
RAM:
1024MB DDR2 Mobile RAM (Elpida Produced)
GPU:
256MB nVidia Tegra GPU
Storage:
OS/Applications: 2048MB SSD
External Storage: 32GB MicroSD
Imaging
5MP Main Camera (Any does me tbh)
Sound
Bluetooth Cochlear Implant w/ Induction Charging Circuit
Screen/s
Wrist Display - Subdermal LCD w/ Single Action Touch Sensor and Induction Charging Circuit - http://www.gearfuse.com/subdermal-implant-watch-tattoo/
Main Screen - WSVGA Touch Screen
Power
5x 250A Lithium Ion Polymer Cells using Cell Balancing
Location Services
GPS
Accelerometer
Digital Compass
Altimeter
Connectivity
Micro USB 3.0
WiFi
HSDPA
3G
GPRS
the usual basically...
Would be my ultimate like
dom.l said:
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
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Sounds decent I like your thinking!
dom.l said:
1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
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@3) That is my theory as well. But why not fire a shot across the bow of other manufacturers? Set the bar higher and watch them scramble to catch up?
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas![/QUOTE]
Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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I have to agree the homescreen doesn't make total use of the space, but I guess it helps make it look less cluttered, however that is personal. What I meant about WP7 was the different approach to apps, specifically the side scrolling nature of everything.
I love watching the reactions of people who look at the HTC 1 concept, every single person I have shown it to so far has just kinda said either I want one now or wow... Rather interesting to see
As for the buttons, I am undecided personally. I can see the use of having more, but I am starting to like simpler, less cluttered looks myself. I guess in that respect the Galaxy S International is half ground, having one hard button and two capacitive, which you don't really notice too much if they're not lit up.
1. Does not matter, until it is high quality and not cheap plastic.
2.
- [at least] 4" sAMOLED display (or even IPS) with standard 480x800 resolution
Buttons should be:
- Camera and power on the right side
- Volume on the left side
- Menu, back, home buttons under the screen (preferably touch buttons)
- The latest Tegra2 dual-core CPU what performs at 2GHz max, and the best mobile 3d acceleration too
- High capacity but thin battery (1600mAh)
- 12Mp camera on the back, at least 3.2Mp camera on front (or something like the Adam, a rotate-able camera ontop) with dual xenon-led flash (and of course separate control, so they can be used separately)
- Projector on top part of the phone
- 1024MB RAM, 1024MB ROM(formatted for 512-512MB), dedicated 256MB SWAP, internal 16/32GB memcard, support for SDXC cards (capacity up to 2048GB)
- Bluetooth 3.0, USB 3.0, NFC, WLAN b/g/n, DLNA support, 4G support, USB Host functions
- Android OS of course, bumped with a nice slick UI, made by real designers, not some manufacturer (actually, Samsung is pretty good in these stuffs)
- Open system (no secure bootloader, etc) if you want it
3. Why? Because as a dev phone, developers needs the BEST device to test. If the stuff runs OK on the best, it should run properly on all other. Of course, device spec fragmentation is huge, we can't make all manufacturers to use the same CPU, motherboard, radio part, etc. That's where WinPhone7 failed great.
And also, let's provide something for the money they ask for a "smart phone". My current ZTE Blade knows a lot more than the HTC Legend, but costs half or even third of the money (here in Hungary a Legend costs around 90.000HUF, what is approx. 400-500$. The Blade, while it has more cocoa in it, costs around 200$). That's not right!
4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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That's definitely a solid reason, and as much as we/consumers don't like it, the big companies will undoubtedly keep doing the same, just to stay in business. Still, I can see it being half possible if a manufacturer like made half-ground or something
Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
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That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
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And actually the GPU would be more powerful the SGS5...
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Wp7 devices have been reasonable but obviously missing a few things, i feel i have had to settle for 2nd best. dont get me wrong, the OS is great but hardware wise i feel a little bit cheated, so ive already decided, my next WP7 phone will have something a little extra and completely fulfill my demands next time. what is the thing you want most in the next gen wp7/8 device??? any other suggestions welcome but im starting with 5.
How can YOU decide what your next WP7 will have before they've even been announced? For all we know, there will be no future hardware upgrades, as the OS is running flawlessly on the current technology. Sure, in theory it would be nice to have more memory, a better CPU, a better GPU , etc. But if WP7 doesn't like it, Manufacturers will never release it.
Should be more along the lines of what people would LIKE to see in future devices.
simple. if the next gen of wp7 dosnt have any of these features. i wont be buying a new one.
Honestly, I want parity with the highest end Android phone...JUST for the sake of specs. The OS is smooth enough, so it certainly doesn't REQUIRE so much horsepower...but Android-loving friends will always boast about the specs...
Anyways, hardware-wise, a dual-core Qualcomm SoC, with a high-quality 8 megapixel camera, FHD recording, a YELLOW flash (and I don't care about front-facing camera, but it would be nice to get a more than 1MP camera on the front as well), and physical buttons are a must. Right now I have the LG Optimus 7, so I would expect the same industrial design or better in a next-gen phone. And anything under 32GB storage is unacceptable. 1GB RAM would be nice too for when you want 10-20 tabs open ( I use metro browser ). I have tried 5 WP7 phones, each for about a week, and I can subjectively say the size of the screen on the Optimus 7 is near ideal. I want a 100mm (3.94 in) IPS screen on my next phone...
OK, I am done ranting. Oh wait, a price under $500 is also appreciated, since I tend to NOT get contracts.
And Microsoft, seriously, I live like 2 hours away from your campus in Washington, but in Canada. The world is NOT just USA. Bing features, as well as other localized features should be available in Canada at the same time as US. I can understand Zune Pass (CRTC...those bastards), but anything else is INEXCUSABLE!!!
I would expect WP8 to have all of the above as minimum system requirements.
I would want CDMA carriers (Verizon mainly) to have Window Phone 7 models before any new models come out. I want one but, I am getting sick of waiting just to get good coverage on a phone.
Maybe S-AMOLED Plus (that acronym needs an acronym).
4g, that is the one feature I definitely want on the next generation WP devices. I am in no rush for dual cores just because I know that Microsoft will probably provide good drivers enough to make it even more fluid. I really don't care about the other things (more storage would be nice though).
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Honestly, I want parity with the highest end Android phone...JUST for the sake of specs. The OS is smooth enough, so it certainly doesn't REQUIRE so much horsepower...but Android-loving friends will always boast about the specs...
Anyways, hardware-wise, a dual-core Qualcomm SoC, with a high-quality 8 megapixel camera, FHD recording, a YELLOW flash (and I don't care about front-facing camera, but it would be nice to get a more than 1MP camera on the front as well), and physical buttons are a must. Right now I have the LG Optimus 7, so I would expect the same industrial design or better in a next-gen phone. And anything under 32GB storage is unacceptable. 1GB RAM would be nice too for when you want 10-20 tabs open ( I use metro browser ). I have tried 5 WP7 phones, each for about a week, and I can subjectively say the size of the screen on the Optimus 7 is near ideal. I want a 100mm (3.94 in) IPS screen on my next phone...
OK, I am done ranting. Oh wait, a price under $500 is also appreciated, since I tend to NOT get contracts.
And Microsoft, seriously, I live like 2 hours away from your campus in Washington, but in Canada. The world is NOT just USA. Bing features, as well as other localized features should be available in Canada at the same time as US. I can understand Zune Pass (CRTC...those bastards), but anything else is INEXCUSABLE!!!
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as much as i like your spec list for the future of windows phone... do you really see all of that coming in at under $500?
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I would expect WP8 to have all of the above as minimum system requirements.
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So basically if MS follows your train of thought all the earlier adapters to the game would be SOL
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as much as i like your spec list for the future of windows phone... do you really see all of that coming in at under $500?
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From reading this section of the forums I thought Android was something you throw on a cheap, why are you complaining about the cost?
Apple is going multi core, so Microsoft has no choice but to introduce multi core phones this year if they want to continue this.
Also looks like FFC is now the standard on the major players devices.
1080 recording should be on the list too.
Everything else I want is mainly software related.
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Also looks like FFC is now the standard on the major players devices.
1080 recording should be on the list too.
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I would gladly take a phone without a FFC. If I wanted to video chat someone, I would tell them to use a computer.
1080p is only on dual core and as long as the quality is good.
A better UI interface!
How about a port to connect to my Zune docking stations? Could probably replace the microUSB.
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MS should buy Nokia out, and start making their own phones(ZuneHD like)
high end phones all the way!
-Dual core processor: Cool but probably unnecessary considering how well optimized WP7 is on a single core 1Ghz.
-Better GPU: Would love to see more powerful GPUs in the future. Xbox Live Games need it to beat out iOS and the next PSP! If Epic can make a game as gorgeous as Infinity Blade for the iPhone and not WP7, Microsoft has fallen behind. (I voted for this one)
-Front Facing Camera: Only worthwhile if Skype ever makes an app. Besides that I still don't see much of a point.
-4G: Always a welcome addition, but I don't want it if it's going to adversely affect battery life.
-At least 32GB NAND: High quality NAND memory is still not that cheap, so I think the minimum should be 16GB (that's more than most people would ever need).
also voted for GPU, since this MS's mobile gaming rig. or so they said
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-Better GPU: Would love to see more powerful GPUs in the future. Xbox Live Games need it to beat out iOS and the next PSP! If Epic can make a game as gorgeous as Infinity Blade for the iPhone and not WP7, Microsoft has fallen behind. (I voted for this one)
-4G: Always a welcome addition, but I don't want it if it's going to adversely affect battery life.
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Good luck with the PSP thing, apparently the PSP2 is just as powerful as the current PS3. If Microsoft can make their next generation of WP7 phones better than that, I would be more than impressed.
Depends on the technology really and coverage.
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I would gladly take a phone without a FFC. If I wanted to video chat someone, I would tell them to use a computer.
1080p is only on dual core and as long as the quality is good.
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1080p is a terrible thing to want in a phone. look at file sizes of 720p. then consider post-processing, editing, and emailing/uploading somewhere.
check out some of the forums that deal with shooting amatuer action (motorcycling/bicycling/bowling/whatever) in HD and see what they're saying. 1080p is nuts. if we're not careful we'll end up with no option for lower quality, and a 5 second clip that is 75Mb !
that's all
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-Dual core processor: Cool but probably unnecessary considering how well optimized WP7 is on a single core 1Ghz.
-Better GPU: Would love to see more powerful GPUs in the future. Xbox Live Games need it to beat out iOS and the next PSP! If Epic can make a game as gorgeous as Infinity Blade for the iPhone and not WP7, Microsoft has fallen behind. (I voted for this one)
-Front Facing Camera: Only worthwhile if Skype ever makes an app. Besides that I still don't see much of a point.
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Better GPU comes with dual cores. Multi core is mainly for media and gaming. The mobile gaming market is headed towards PC capabilities.
FFC, Skype purchased Qik. Don't know if they will make it to WP7 though. Me personally I don't care, but having the option to use a FFC means everything.
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
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It depends on how it all comes together. A higher quality 5mp camera could produce better results that our 8mp camera so that doesn't scare me. More power is always good. A pure Google phone is always good from a latest and greatest perspective. It's also guaranteed to have NFC which is good.
The screen kind of scares me. My SGS2 screen (an early build) is great but there have been lots of reported QC issues, wide variations in color temperature, the gradient issue, and the left side banding issue. Pushing even more pixels to get to 720p is going to be tough to pull off based on the challenges they experienced in the jump from SAMOLED to SAMOLED+.
The radio's important and I wouldn't go back to something lower than 21MB HSPA+. I doubt it'll support any form of LTE because there are too many frequencies to contend with.
So count me as a "maybe."
Thanks for responding. I am not so sure either. That's why a discussion is a great place to start. Hopefully it will smash the new Iphone.
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/22/google-nexus-prime-processor-detailed/
It all seems over the edge to me. From looking at the previous releases of google phones starting from Nexus One which consisted similar specs to the desire, and the nexus S which again has the similar specs to the Galaxy S, infact they shared the same chipsets. I'm not implying that the prime would indeed carry the similarities of the GS2 on that behalf but maybe not too far off.
An improved build of the AMOLED+ screen with all the banding issue and etc gone (I doubt it'll be 720p either). I'd say yes to dual core and maybe 1.5ghz (why not?). 5mp camera, (really?) I doubt they'd go anything below an 8mp due to competitvity and yes yes we all know that the cmos sensor makes all the difference but most people prefer figures rather than facts which is where the target audience usually lies (consider iphone 5 being the biggest role in competitiveness here).
All in all any specs that surpasses the GS2 is a path to the right direction although it's too early to judge since quad core is only around the corner, so time will tell. I personally wouldn't buy a google phone; my list of reasons would stuff this whole thread.
Next Nexus will also be google with bare basic OS , that means no awesome Samsung media codecs.
Also Nexus S had no external sdcard only 16gigs build in.
Only time will show how crippled its gonna be, sure certain aspects might be better depending who is gonna make it, CPU/GPU might be better , 720p AMOLED screen would be nice or at very least some decked out IPS panel.
Generally nexus devices never been better then some alternatives , but its subjective everyone has different needs. I am more interested in next Galaxy successor !
Yes the galaxy 3 will be a huge step. I think that all the codec support on this device is amazing. The nexus s was OK but destroyed by the s2. The next nexus probably won't beat the s2 when you look at the previous steps taken.
Samsungs software this year has been excellent. It's one of the few devices with duel core being optimised well. Will vanilla android be optimised? Probably not.
nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
EDIT: haah i meant nexus prime , thanks robt772000
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nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
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Nexus "Prime" will be a very good phone (atleast I can hope so!). But even if it smashes GS2, no shame in that. By all accounts, Prime would be released 6+ months after GS2, so it would be a shame if it can't beat GS2.
I am worried about few other points which you guys might have better knowledge:
1. How would be the application support for Ice cream? Will it be compatible with 2.x application?
2. What would be native/suggested resolution and form factor of displays? I assume that it's 480*800 for 2.x models. Is that going to change with Ice cream?
3. What would happen to Honeycomb? Ice cream is supposed to be across both tablets and phones? So, it appears to me that HC was just a stop-gap arrangement to allow android foot-hold in the tablet market.
4. What sort of processors are they going to support? My assumption was that HC was typically made compatible with Tegra2 and the primary reason why it sucked initially. I would bet that if HC ran on Exynos with Samsung optimized drivers, it would be much better than what it is now.
Most people tend think the battle would be with iOS, my idea is that the biggest threat for Ice cream will be from Microsoft!
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
My only real concern is the screen quality, the SAMOLED plus is inferior to the regular SAMOLED due to its massive banding and QC issues, for day to day use theres basically no difference between both, For pictures the SAMOLED made some pictures prettier because it was not able to display the flaws/image compression artifacts, color is better on the Plus though. All in all it boils down to the screen quality for me.
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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All that and probably no micro sd card slot again.
Most definitely. It's the Big G's OFFICIAL phone. And should it have this epic HD-high-resolution 4.0" or 4.3" display. It'll blow the GS2 away. Not to mention whatever minor processor improvements there will be.
Also it'll be rocking 4.0 - K.O - Game Set Match.
Anyhows, I'm just happy they're continuing the Nexus range, because it really is something that showcases Android and combats iOS and that really brings the best of the best to the table. (well so far it has)........well not really with the Nexus S, but that is still a damn good phone. But this Nexus Prime looks like it's going to be another Nexus One, ground-breaking.
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Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
daivik said:
hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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Yes, both MS and Apple are trying to unify the platforms. My view is that Apple will again try to keep that niche segment and their loyal user base. MS, like Google will license their software to other vendors. The whole scenario sounds similar to what happened in the desktop space 20 years back. History repeating itself - we have Apple on one side and MS/Google with a different approach on other. Players like IBM and Compaq making way for present day vendors like Samsung/Nokia etc.,
Ho well, I won't be surprised if in a year from now, with dual core 2ghz ARMs and 1+ gig of ram in phones we will see windows 8 running on smartphones with metro UI on top... If it runs on a tab, it'll run on a smartpone. Hell the SGS2 is crushing any tablet currently, it's just sad that all the SGS are always given unused potential (remember the sgx540 on sgs1, and now exynos mali400 on sgs2). But hey that's what makes them future proof, we'll still see SGS1 running new games and apps in a year or two.
I liked android for the customization and liberty it gave me, but I pretty much ran around it both on tablet (transformer) and phone (SGS1 &2) and I think that my next gen of devices will be wp7.5 mango (if the WP7 SGS2 ever comes out!) and then wp8 stuff late 2012.
Honestly I think the current tab market is just ****ting his pants at windows 8's arrival, because frankly, no iOS or honeycomb can rival win8's functionalities, if it runs smooth of course... (win 8 transformer 2 ).
Standing from here I really see MS as the big winner of following years. Android had 2 years to evolve into something really productive, yet it didn't really came there and still has a lesser quality catalog compared to the app store. But who knows what ICS will bring ? we can only wait.
Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
It depends on what hardware it will have.
If it will boast a Qualcomm Krait, then it will blow it away. If it uses anything else, then no, it might be slightly faster performance wise, but that's all. The only thing going for it will be the 720p screen, but we still don't know the size of the display or what type it will be.
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Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
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It's supposed to have a ginormous screen, so think bigger than 4.3" of the SGS2. I don't think it will surpass the DPI of the retina display even at 720p or at that screen size.
If it doesn't surpass SII in every spec then it will be just another SII. You will have to make compromises between a lower mp camera or no card slot, etc. If it beats SII in every section then yes, it will blow it away.
Samsung Nexus for Me
Winner is
Around 2.5x higher resolution screen, 1280x720 vs 800x480
Around 50% crisper display of text, images and video, 315 PPI vs 217 PPI
More than 10% larger screen, 4.6" vs 4.3"
i will go for Nexus !!