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A suggestion.

Hello everyone. I want to thank you all for this site, I have learned a great deal here and appreciate all your efforts. I have a question that many new comers have asked and they have been told to go read, so thats what I will do. I want you to know tho that its very hard when you have a baby, and very little time. I also want you to know that the only times I am really productive getting somewhere with my phone is staying up till like 4 am because everyone is asleep and I have the time needed to dedicate to all this reading, trying and learning.
I am not complaining, in fact I am grateful because I am getting somewhere thanks to your help, which has been more valuable than all the help Samsung and Rogers have given me washing their hands clean and leaving me with a defective phone. My problem has not been solved just yet, but I think a 2.2.1 rom will fix my problem. Ill keep reading and trying, ill get there.
I suggest you guys have a wikipage with a table with all the roms, what versions of android they are, what kernels, modems, etc they work with ( or not work with ), bugs, features, something all in 1 page for easy access. This would make it easier for people to access information. The easier it is the more people will use them and come here, the more ideas you will have, the more testers, its a win win situation!
I have been to the pages for all the roms, some of them tell you the bluetooh voice dialing is not working, most don't, id have to go looking for my answer. I have learned that for instance it seems people do not have an issue with it with froyo 2.2.1 but again, some roms tell you in the main page its 2.2.1, others don't.
I can't grasp all the information staying up at night till 4 am. Its the only time I have. I almost had a heat attack when I thought I bricked my phone, I can't afford another one. If all the important information is right there on 1 page, like links to the usb drivers, tools, roms, kernels, everything. Have the instructions to flash. Have a table with all the roms, their versions, what versions of kernels, modems, etc, they do ( or dont ) work with. maybe even some of the table cells are clickable, for instance bugs, click on it and a window pops up with a list of them.
I know all this information is in here somewhere. Thanks to everyone for it, but it needs to be on 1 page. Please make it easier for people who are new to this. You will benefit as well as them. Looking forward to being able to use voice dialing. I think it will be working by tomorrow or after tomorrow thanks to you guys. I could have done it in a day if all the information was right there .
Thanks for reading.

Try searching.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897

I have that bookmarked. It is also a sticky in this section.
But it doesn't say for instance which ones are 2.2.1, or which ones have the terrible voice dialing over bluetooth..
I do search and end up with over 15 tabs...
I am getting by, I am just saying it could be organized better for everyones benefit. It could be made so someone who has never done this before can get it done in a couple of hours if even, without keeping asking you the same questions here. I understand why people keep asking to recommend a ROM. It is not they they do not search, not all of them anyway. Things can be better organized.

I hear what you're saying, I think it's just that within the course of a month, about 20 ROM's have been released, if not more. And no one has had time to update the wiki.

vunuts said:
I hear what you're saying, I think it's just that within the course of a month, about 20 ROM's have been released, if not more. And no one has had time to update the wiki.
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The thing is that its not just the number of ROMs, but also the number of versions that are released. It would be a real pain and an added overhead for anyone maintaining it.
Also note that most devs are working too, and doing this in their free time. The little time they have to spare is taken up for making improvements. But they do release changelogs to look into.
If anyone has time, I would suggest they take it up to create a wiki and maintain it, rather than relying or asking the devs to do it.

Try capfaq.com it has a ROM table section, and I've used it alot.
Same issues with being 100% up to date, but it's the best Rom table format I've seen.
i897 running Cognition 3.02

Madtowndave said:
Try capfaq.com it has a ROM table section, and I've used it alot.
Same issues with being 100% up to date, but it's the best Rom table format I've seen.
i897 running Cognition 3.02
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http://www.capfaq.com/w/ROM_Table
Looks like they have updated it!

Thanks guys, I will check that table out tomorrow.

It'd be nice if there was a modem chart as well. I know there are modems in the modem thread
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835272
...but near as I can tell it's not up to date, or at least the first page is not up to date (ie base Cognition runs on JL1 and Andromeda on JL2, but aren't on the first page).
If anyone knows a good and current modem reference guide, please let me know.
I can't complain too much because obviously things change all the time and it's a PITA to constantly update info...I'd volunteer but I got a 2 year old and baby 2.0 due in April.

Madtowndave said:
baby 2.0 due in April
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made me lol at the versioning of baby

diablo009 said:
made me lol at the versioning of baby
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Yeah it's like Richter Scale difference at least 0 to 1, and 1 to 2 kids...people that have more than 2 are either really bad at birth control, Catholic, or gluttons for punishment.

distortionist said:
I want you to know tho that its very hard when you have a baby, and very little time. I also want you to know that the only times I am really productive getting somewhere with my phone is staying up till like 4 am because everyone is asleep and I have the time needed to dedicate to all this reading, trying and learning.
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And I thought I was the only one!
Thanks pal for making my day...
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I bricked my phone

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I bricked my phone
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How? What happened?

I have no Idea what I did wrong, my goal before I started was getting voice dial over bluetooth working for me, its essential to me. It started with trying to install paragon, as per http://www.capfaq.com/w/ROM_Table mentioned above.
I was stock rogers 2.2 so I wiped it clean, and tried the update thing, it didnt work. The only step I skipped was flash to stock and the master clear since it was 2.2 recently and I did the factory wipe. It did not work but I did not brick anything just yet. I figured most people tell you to flash with the one click odin which puts stock at&t on it. I did that and the phone stopped going into download and recovery, it did not stop completely i have gone into download and recovery a few times after that but it was a battle with my phone, since it was booting, I used adt instead which worked like a charm. at&t rom was not happy on my phone, it was going into at&t reboot loops where it would just reboot the bios over and over. after trying and trying it would boot android, i was trying to fix it but each time it restarted the reboot loop would kick off. I could not go to recovery or download mode till i finally got back into the OS and used adt to tell it to go to download mode where i reflashed my stock rogers.
My phone now had at&t logo on boot before rogers, which is not that bad but i had read you can get rid of it, i tried going into download mode with the buttons but didnt try too hard, adt was easier.
I was following these instructions :
http://www.mmacleod.ca/blog/2011/01/removing-the-att-boot-screen-from-a-samsung-captivate/
it wanted me to use odin to flash a file. I used my oden 1.3, i think he says oden 1.0, I didn't think it would make a difference.
Odin started to flash and said fail. I got the screen with "android ! computer", I have been there before when I first ever tried using odin and had to fight with my phone to get to download mode at the time ( this was before at&t ever came close to the phone, i never used odin before so i probably had trouble because of inexperience ).
anyway, this time no matter what I do I cannot go to download mode, I plan on making a jig today if i find someone who sells resistors in this little town.
any help would be appreciated. I dont want to put any more roms on my phone, i just want it to work. I am worried. Ill wait till samsung releases 2.2.1 I just want my phone back to the way it was when I bought it

As the person who write most of the documentation for Team Komin (the developers who make Andromeda), I would say this would be an immense pain. copying all of our information from the website, formatting it into wiki form and then posting it would be very time consuming.

nbs11 said:
As the person who write most of the documentation for Team Komin (the developers who make Andromeda), I would say this would be an immense pain. copying all of our information from the website, formatting it into wiki form and then posting it would be very time consuming.
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True, but once done, it would be much easier to maintain and navigate. There is going to be a lot of crossposting and people asking for insight and advice.
I'm sure we all understand the search feature in the forum, but to be honest things change topic within a thread, and where someone asks a question that is somewhat unrelated and gets a very good answer, it is not always apparent by poking through page after page of posts to find that nugget of gold. I mean, searching for 'kernel' will give literally thousands of hits. A wiki would be much better in terms of 1. Where you are starting out from 2. what you need to do what you want 3. where to find these things, and 4. maintaining updates and version revisions.
I really appreciate all the work people do here, and I have had to find everything I wanted to know the 'hard' way, but as Android grows in popularity and market percentage, more and more people are going to come here looking for this information. Pobably better to do it sooner than later.

Stock Rom

I want to do everything I can to develop for this phone. What I need from the people here is a stock flash able rom. I have made great progress on this phone but but idk how to build stock roms and at this point I'm not sure I have the mental capacity to learn it.
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So...you have made great progress doing what?
There is a Chinese ROM floating around, maybe you can use that.

I want to do everything I can to develop for this phone. What I need from the people here is a stock flash able rom. I have made great progress on this phone but but idk how to build stock roms and at this point I'm not sure I have the mental capacity to learn it.
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LOL...
Without a stock ROM, we have been unable to develop much...
What have you developed, here?
Mostly the community is hacking the stock installed rom, and fixing what Motorola has purposefully broken, but with out a few more pieces and a working sbf, you are not going to get a "Stock" ROM.
If you really want to help out go jump into the bootloader unlock forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328714

jimbridgman said:
LOL...
Without a stock ROM, we have been unable to develop much...
What have you developed, here?
Mostly the community is hacking the stock installed rom, and fixing what Motorola has purposefully broken, but with out a few more pieces and a working sbf, you are not going to get a "Stock" ROM.
If you really want to help out go jump into the bootloader unlock forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328714
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I use cheesecake 4 times a day every day. If I find something I compare it to what others have found.. What have I developed? Nothing more then a headache. Using the bionic safestrap I have been able to recover from 3 soft bricks. 2 of them using adb to push to the phone and 1 using the restore tool. But i had to remount /emmc to /sd-ext. But I think at this point I am done trying anything with this phone.
One more thing.. what can't we use all the stock files I've pulled from the phone to make a flash able zip?

lfaber06 said:
I use cheesecake 4 times a day every day. If I find something I compare it to what others have found.. What have I developed? Nothing more then a headache. Using the bionic safestrap I have been able to recover from 3 soft bricks. 2 of them using adb to push to the phone and 1 using the restore tool. But i had to remount /emmc to /sd-ext. But I think at this point I am done trying anything with this phone.
One more thing.. what can't we use all the stock files I've pulled from the phone to make a flash able zip?
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Seems like you know a lot more than all of us who have been working diligently for the last 60 or so days with this phone.... Why don't you give it a try and see if you can create a flash-able zip.
You can't build a flash-able zip, because you can not zip or tar files on the filesystem that are in use, and the kernel has a ton of files open and locked. the backup software gets around this in a couple ways that we really can't do, and backups are useless to make flash-able zip from. That is why we need the sbf or fxz or source code to make a flash-able, zip or ROM.
That is why we have warned everyone over and over and over, about trying things we post, right now. The information is not to try out, it is sharing of the developers, and for those of us working on actually developing solutions for this phone. There have been so many bricks, because people are not listening.... I am actually thinking of trading my phone with a buddy to get out of this, because I am tired of hearing about all the bricking people are doing, and having to help save someone who did something to their phone that they did after we told them not to.
Unless You Know What You Are Doing Don't Try This At Home. Until we get the fxz or sbf files. I am getting tired of saying this...
P.S. doing work on the cheesecake thing does not make you a Developer. Hell I am not an Android Developer, I am a UNIX and Linux Hardware architect and UNIX and LINUX Kernel Developer, so I am am able to use all that, 20 years of experience on the Android kernel, and I have been hacking and working on phones a long time.
Now I know it is great to try things and learn, but while learning, it is best to try things we say are safe first, then once you are more comfortable with certain things, then try something daring, that you know how to do.
I am in no way trying to insult you, just realize that right now, with the little help we have on the experienced development side of things, it is real painful to get things moving forward when people don't listen, or do things they are not ready for and then keep asking for help when they killed their phone in the process.

jimbridgman said:
I am actually thinking of trading my phone with a buddy to get out of this, because I am tired of hearing about all the bricking people are doing, and having to help save someone who did something to their phone that they did after we told them not to.
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Please don't leave us Jim. You are an incredible resource. I'm new to Android and have learned many valuable things from you.
Remember, you don't have to help every person that bricks their phone.

Jim if you try to leave we will find you! ;p
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mtnlion said:
Jim if you try to leave we will find you! ;p
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LOL... I am not going anywhere, I am just trying to make a point, that things like this killed the Atrix board, and I hope we don't repeat that.
We are here to help, and I wish that it would be realized that we are in "Research" mode right now, and are not to point of actually hacking, or have very many how to post yet for that reason.

You can't buy common sense but stupidity is free.
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jimbridgman said:
LOL... I am not going anywhere, I am just trying to make a point, that things like this killed the Atrix board, and I hope we don't repeat that.
We are here to help, and I wish that it would be realized that we are in "Research" mode right now, and are not to point of actually hacking, or have very many how to post yet for that reason.
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WHEW.....You had me fixing to start looking at phone options!!! Honestly I'm to the point where I just read them and ignore them otherwise I say things I shouldn't LoL. But I will be the first to say this, IF THIS BOARD GETS AS BAD AS THE OG ATRIX DID, I WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WALKING AWAY!
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mtnlion said:
You can't buy common sense but stupidity is free.
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You can't fix stupid either......

JRW 28 said:
WHEW.....You had me fixing to start looking at phone options!!! Honestly I'm to the point where I just read them and ignore them otherwise I say things I shouldn't LoL. But I will be the first to say this, IF THIS BOARD GETS AS BAD AS THE OG ATRIX DID, I WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WALKING AWAY!
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Part of the issue I think is that everyone, who is doing these things, is of the I need this now, no matter what, camp... I just came a phone that had this, so this phone should too... LOL.
Yeah if it comes to anywhere close to the OG Atrix board I am out so fast it is not funny.
The thing is that I am most of the time ignoring these posts, but when you 6 people all did something similar, or like the OP did 4 or five things that messed his phone up, because he/they were impatient, you kind of have to tell them, look if you don't like it, get another phone. Heck the OP tried to say he was helping the cause by doing these things, when it was said so many times don't try this....

jimbridgman said:
Part of the issue I think is that everyone, who is doing these things, is of the I need this now, no matter what, camp... I just came a phone that had this, so this phone should too... LOL.
Yeah if it comes to anywhere close to the OG Atrix board I am out so fast it is not funny.
The thing is that I am most of the time ignoring these posts, but when you 6 people all did something similar, or like the OP did 4 or five things that messed his phone up, because he/they were impatient, you kind of have to tell them, look if you don't like it, get another phone. Heck the OP tried to say he was helping the cause by doing these things, when it was said so many times don't try this....
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The funny thing is the "OP" didn't do anything he was told not to due.. Instead he/I tried new approaches and have actually been able to recover from a few soft bricks at this point. We get places from trying new things not by talking down to those that try them. I'm trying to help as I own the phone too. I am not in any way "under-educated". I am a .Net developer and I am doing my best in my free time to help the community by opening up this phone to its full potential. Now, Am I impatient.... Hell Yes.. I want CM7 and ICS now. Will I get it now?.. No, but i'm trying to get the rest of you on your way. I cant believe you would try to push someone so willing away..

A better way to go about it would be to post your discoveries and share them to help others out instead of demanding things you need.
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What I need from the people here is a stock flash able rom.
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We aren't pushing anyone away that is willing to help and we welcome everyone that is willing to hel. But when you experiment know that we might not be able to help you and we have no way back to stock. By experimenting we found root,the bionic's bootstrap and we will have to continue to experiment. Part of progress is by finding out what works and what doesn't.
We need to all work together and not against each other. But with that said if you look at the amount of recent posts with people experiencing problems and calling for help is because they didn't do any research before hand and now they are asking for help for something they could have very well prevented by patiently doing a little homework.
With the progress you have said to have made, start a new thread about it explaining the procedures you went about to recover from the soft bricks so others can benefit from them as well. I can promise you we are all very interested.

JRW 28 said:
A better way to go about it would be to post your discoveries and share them to help others out instead of demanding things you need.
We aren't pushing anyone away that is willing to help and we welcome everyone that is willing to hel. But when you experiment know that we might not be able to help you and we have no way back to stock. By experimenting we found root,the bionic's bootstrap and we will have to continue to experiment. Part of progress is by finding out what works and what doesn't.
We need to all work together and not against each other. But with that said if you look at the amount of recent posts with people experiencing problems and calling for help is because they didn't do any research before hand and now they are asking for help for something they could have very well prevented by patiently doing a little homework.
With the progress you have said to have made, start a new thread about it explaining the procedures you went about to recover from the soft bricks so others can benefit from them as well. I can promise you we are all very interested.
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Thanks, and Very well said, I agree 100%

Greetings and such...

Greetings everyone!
I've been doing massive 'net research on rooting my MT4G, and the one site that kept popping up was this one. So, I read the 'what to do..' thread and will discover my chipset and such later (my place of employment is (barely) on a 2G network). I've had my phone for 13 mos now without too many problems, running Go Launcher as opposed to Sense, and the Go sms.
Looks like I have some reading to do here, and hopefully with 13 mos or so with this phone I'll be able to lend some advice back.
One thing that troubles me is that in the last few months, I've noticed an increase in the 'Recovered from an abnormal reset' messages. I haven't read everything yet, but if anyone can lend an idea on this one, I would be most appreciative.
Thanks,
Skeebs

Welcome. Thanks for doing research. I'm not sure what to tell you about the "recovered from abnormal restart" message. A factory reset might be what you need. Ideas anyone?

You're probably right on the factory reset. I've been pondering that one for a while, and have just been a little lazy about it. Then again I might hold off until I'm decided on whether to root or not, which won't take long either.

That's understandable. One thing you may want to do is root, and then use something like Titanium Backup to backup any important program data you have like gamesaves, settings, etc. Remember though that the more you restore, the better chance you have of causing the problem, or even a new one, all over again.
I like this guy. He doesn't ask stupid questions and uses the thanks button.

And take it from someone who did the HTC unlocking update to unlock your bootloader... PLEASE dont go that route.. if you choose to root, do it with the methods here, they are far too simple, something I realized only after i did the HTC official unlocking method. Use this site for everything you do to ur phone..
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Thanks for the advice and nice comments! I learned a long time ago when seeking knowledge on a forum such as this, it pays to do a little reading before posting and pay a little respect to those whom assist.
I'm going to follow your advice this weekend, first rooting, then backing up and then the factory reset. I plan on following the guides and resources here to a tee and will let you all know how it goes. Thanks again!

Good luck all of us are here to help if you need it don't hesitate to ask.
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And this, people, is how a thread should look!

Oh joy, anyone want to guess which chip I have? Should this be a stop sign or should I trust my generally above average skills to pull this off?
It's never easy, is it....

skeebercat said:
Oh joy, anyone want to guess which chip I have? Should this be a stop sign or should I trust my generally above average skills to pull this off?
It's never easy, is it....
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Ouch u now have a 75-25% chance if u have insurance call n trade it in
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skeebercat said:
Oh joy, anyone want to guess which chip I have? Should this be a stop sign or should I trust my generally above average skills to pull this off?
It's never easy, is it....
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My wife and I both have the "bad" emmc. Both are rooted. Both are over a year old. Both work. Your chance of bricking early is statistically higher. But I wouldn't worry about it. I've rooted 3 MT4G's using gfree. None have had issues.

skeebercat said:
Oh joy, anyone want to guess which chip I have? Should this be a stop sign or should I trust my generally above average skills to pull this off?
It's never easy, is it....
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I have the bad one as well, Ive flashed at least 10 roms in the last couple weeks...but ive always been a risk taker...also, there are others that are more knowledgeable than i am, that believe the "bad chip" is overrated. I don't know either way..
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I guess the good news is that I still carry the insurance. If something goes terribly wrong, I could always have the wife back the Camry over it....
Not to mention, if this chip was going to fail, I tend to think it would have already. I worked outside every day last year in an extremely brutal heatwave, streaming music, quick recharging in a hot black truck, etc. I've pushed this thing further than I thought it could go and it hasn't failed yet (save the battery, I had to replace it after the summer).
The rewards outway the risks, so I shall drive on. Thanks for your feedback!
I kinda have that excited tingly feeling that I had before I built my first pc back in the late 90's...

Awesome thead guys! I had almost forgotten what it's like to have a respectful exchange of posts! Feels nice
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I also had a Mt4g with the "bad chip" there is some truth to the name. After probably 30 flashes she had enough and just stopped booting. However I am very hard on my phones. So pick a ROM you like and stick with it and you'll be fine.
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1000 Posts: A Thank You

Well, this is my 1000th post on XDA and at the time or writing I have 504 thanks. I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone in this community that I have grown so much from.
When I got my first smartphone in January 2012 I was only slightly familiar with the idea of rooting and modifications. When deciding what phone to buy, I never really looked for how good it was for development, but settled on the Atrix 2 due to its relatively good stats, and low price. For about a month I did nothing, not waning to kill my warranty. around March I decided to root my phone, more for the hell of it than anything else. it went smoothly although my heart was beating faster than I thought possible during the process as I watched my precious phone reboot in the hands of an unknown script claiming to give me further access to the phones internals.
After this I screwed around for a bit with some mods, but nothing serious. Some time around April I decided to install a custom rom. I spent hours googling and learning how to do it without breaking anything, then meticulously followed the guide to install SCV5, what seemed like the best rom at the time. All went well and I enjoyed my new look and feel for a while, until a new rom appeared that I wanted to try. Confident of my abilities, I was slightly less careful, and somehow ended up soft bricking my phone. I had a minor panic attack, but after a few hours of reading guides and asking questions I was able to fxz back to stock and get to the new Lithium rom.
I didn't start doing any development work until about a year ago, when I began tweaking some roms and building my own mods. I bootlooped countless times and became fully capable of recovering in my sleep within a short period of time. In June or July ICS began to hit and the kind helpful forums I had grown familiar turned more into a flame war filled hell hole. This truly made me sad as I tried to expand my dev knowledge working around the huge amount of disrespect and carelessness that filled our community. This slowly became better and I can safely say now that the community has become its old self again.
The point here is that I have learned more from this community than probably anything else I have done in my life. I have now helped multiple people with installing custom roms, and have written a few mods, a few apps, and worked on building android from source (albeit not very successfully).
I am especially thankful to @jimbridgman, @rdavisct, @JRW 28, @alteredlikeness, @cogeary and anyone else I forgot that ran this place before I appeared, and helped me out when I needed it without killing me for asking so may questions.
Thank you all and I hope the new-found love for this phone continues and we can continue to improve our device with the best in software and hardware hacks.

Your post is a great example of what XDA is about. It is also a great example of what people in here can do when they put their mind to something and do not go off half cocked or not reading and understanding before doing.
It is great to have you here, and you have contributed a good bit to this community, as well. Thank You!
Oh yeah I remember my 1000th post, it was one of those ill gotten ICS arguments that caused hell around here... so enjoy yours!

Conrgats on the big 1,000 only 9,000 more to go lol.....

Congrats!!! whats the next goal now?

Cwatts2644 said:
Congrats!!! whats the next goal now?
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To get 2644 posts just like your username states

Lifehacker7 said:
To get 2644 posts just like your username states
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haha id be lucky to get 50.... but that dont mean i wont stop....ill try my bestest!

Cwatts2644 said:
haha id be lucky to get 50.... but that dont mean i wont stop....ill try my bestest!
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I gave you your first thanks, now go get 500+ more and catch up to me.

How old are you lkrasner if you don't mind me asking? I actually envy you, because you've come so far is so little time. I actually wanted to get into dev'ing myself after I installed my first custom rom (HTC Aria), however I must have had delusions of grandeur, I never made it past building from source and I was overwhelmed. I must've gotten a lot dumber in my old age (almost 29), I just can't grasp new things like I could when I was younger.

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How old are you lkrasner if you don't mind me asking? I actually envy you, because you've come so far is so little time. I actually wanted to get into dev'ing myself after I installed my first custom rom (HTC Aria), however I must have had delusions of grandeur, I never made it past building from source and I was overwhelmed. I must've gotten a lot dumber in my old age (almost 29), I just can't grasp new things like I could when I was younger.
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Well, I'll say I'm quite a bit younger than that! It just takes trial and error. I have a lot of trouble with source too, there is so much for android. I would recommend app development. learning java is pretty straight forward, and you can sure get a lot out of it. Android apps are pretty much pure java with added android libraries, so if you learn it, you can apply your knowledge to programming for computers too. There are plenty of online resources to help you learn, and lots of books. If you really want to get good quick, you could always pay some money and take an online class from a university of something.

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How old are you lkrasner if you don't mind me asking? I actually envy you, because you've come so far is so little time. I actually wanted to get into dev'ing myself after I installed my first custom rom (HTC Aria), however I must have had delusions of grandeur, I never made it past building from source and I was overwhelmed. I must've gotten a lot dumber in my old age (almost 29), I just can't grasp new things like I could when I was younger.
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In your old age, at almost 29? I can barely remember being almost 29. That was a full decade ago....
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Well, I'll say I'm quite a bit younger than that! It just takes trial and error. I have a lot of trouble with source too, there is so much for android. I would recommend app development. learning java is pretty straight forward, and you can sure get a lot out of it. Android apps are pretty much pure java with added android libraries, so if you learn it, you can apply your knowledge to programming for computers too. There are plenty of online resources to help you learn, and lots of books. If you really want to get good quick, you could always pay some money and take an online class from a university of something.
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I think it's inspiring to see someone that has come so far on such a short amount of time, regardless of age. I'm impressed. Well done. :thumbup:
Brought to you by time and relative dimensions in space.

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My story is very similar... This was also my first smartphone in January 2012, and those same people mentioned in the OP were a big influence, help, and encouragement - (including @lfaber06 (though I came after his presence), the young jedi @lkrasner, other forum members, and, of course, my wife )
But I am not juggling schoolwork anymore like some of these younger guys here.. Just job, family, life, etc.. or in a different order... And then I lost it all because of Android.. just joking.. Not yet at least :\
Also, I remember JRW 28 once told me how, for him, things would just start "clicking" and making sense.. And then, with a lot of research and trial and error, I just kept hearing those clicks and making connections.. Or was continuously looking for them. And here we are.
Another thing is that you learn something better when you show others how to do it.. And that's what these forums are for - learning, helping, and contributing.
Btw, I have no idea what my 1000th post was..
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alteredlikeness said:
My story is very similar... This was also my first smartphone in January 2012, and those same people mentioned in the OP were a big influence, help, and encouragement - (including @lfaber06 (though I came after his presence), the young jedi @lkrasner, other forum members, and, of course, my wife )
But I am not juggling schoolwork anymore like some of these younger guys here.. Just job, family, life, etc.. or in a different order... And then I lost it all because of Android.. just joking.. Not yet at least :\
Also, I remember JRW 28 once told me how, for him, things would just start "clicking" and making sense.. And then, with a lot of research and trial and error, I just kept hearing those clicks and making connections.. Or was continuously looking for them. And here we are.
Another thing is that you learn something better when you show others how to do it.. And that's what these forums are for - learning, helping, and contributing.
Btw, I have no idea what my 1000th post was..
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Yeah, you came after me and somehow came out ahead. I remember talking some when you were first here, and I was still more experienced. Then, to be honest, I was even a little mad when you became better than me. LOL. anyways, congratulations, as you have done some damn good work for us around here.

Well if everyone else is confessing...
Then bless me xda for I had sinned...
I joined xda-developers on 22 September 2012(had to check my profile for this) and I was more of a noob than anyone.Atrix 2 was(infact is)my first smartphone experience.And as my first post I posted in two different forums(or maybe it was three) with a simple problem of soft brick. A few guys(@41rw4lker @devilhunter47 and some others too) came to my rescue and some others came down harsh on me but I got my phone unbricked.A wonderful feeling that was.
Ever since I've been searching,digging,experimenting and consequently learning in the process and the more I learned the more I had respect for this site and the work done by individuals in it.So I began giving that little of my knowledge gained back to the community.I started small with sharing some links.Telling people about the solutions I had read somewhere.
And this kept on growing till one day I bricked my phone again and at that time there was no tested solution for Atrix 2 to unbrick.Then tcf posted a very shady method and I decided what the hell let's give it a try and after some mind boggling and help from the wizards of Atrix 2 @alteredlikeness @jimbridgman) I became the first one to unbrick Atrix 2 at that time.So that was another level of joy.That gave me the boost to really try out things and help other since then I've tried my best to help out and the story goes on...
As far as the big players go they were @rdavisct @alteredlikeness @jimbridgmansome others too @lkrasner @Apex_strider were among the senior members who seemed to know the answer to every query.This community has always been the helping one as i've seen how hard the noobs are trolled at other forums.
But my extended thanks goes out to @alteredlikeness coz he has always been the support which I(and if i'm correct many others)could just trust to fall back to.He's always had my back.If it weren't for how patiently he hears the problem and how simple he makes them sound i'd still be thinking twice before rooting or flashing a ROM.
Well I can say that i've grown from a noob to a Recognized Noob now thanks to all you guys...
And when I saw this thread I was on the brink of my 1000 post and was determined to post here but then someone threw me a problem and I guess I forgot that I had to save up for here and ended up assisting someone in unbricking his phone.
And yeah i'm still stuck with studies
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May the -Mass times Acceleration-be with You...

I wanted this to be my 500th post if not the 1000th.. Well as all others said here, mine too has been a real fun ride.. The Atrix 2 is my 1st android.. Two days after I bought it, I rooted it (though I had no idea what rooting was exactly.. ).. A few more days went by and I seriously screwed my device up.. I was damn lucky as the FXZ were released just 2 days ago! Watched quite a lot of youtube videos on how to use RSD Lite.. Now that I think about it, I realize how easy that was.. still, It was a no risk ( where I live, we do not get devices on contract. payed 23K INR or about 460$..) So I finally tried FXZing and it so happened, the webtop image (grfs.img) of the Searet was corrupt or so.. It always used to fail at that point.. now I could feel my blood pumping.. Quite scary.. Just when I thought things couldnt get worse, LOW BATTERY! Nature really has a way to say "Challenge Accepted" doesn't it? Well did the McGyuver method.. Used an adapter instead of a micro.. and this time I just opened up the xml file and deleted the line with the webtop image.. Flashed.. And VOILA! IT BOOTED UP!! :laugh::laugh: Well that was my first Hackery I guess..
Well, back in those days this forum was a volcano! Very volatile.. There used to be hell lot of flamewars.. And I just happened to fall into a nasty one.. So I pretty much made myself scarce around here.. Used to read a lot and try things out myself.. I did quite a lot of things trying to crack the bootloader.. Hard bricked my device trying.. Luckily I still had warranty for a month left.. And got it fixed.. The mother board was replaced and it turned out to be a boon in disguise.. It came back with a 1.2GHz processor instead of the original 1GHz.. I did find some interesting things regarding the bootloader though.. But not enough..
An year later, things had changed quite a bit and I started appearing again.. It so happened, some asked for a rom that was a mix up of pa, cm and aokp.. And @alteredlikeness mentioned about Pac.. Well, I took it up.. Special thanks to alteredlikeness for guiding me with my first source built rom.. Well, once I got pac booting, there was nothing holding me back from trying more things out.. I then started looking into the Razr forums.. Started trying the kexec roms.. well, my cid got wiped of course.. But I had my backup.. Well, the razr's cm-10.1 did actually boot up once.. Then didn't the next time.. It was quite confusing.. Well this was the "great blank screen issue" lol.. Then again, time went by.. Things got better..
My thanks to everyone from this forum.. specially @alteredlikeness.. I am kinda addicted to XDA now..
Thanks Guys
EDIT: P.S. lkrasner, I am still subscribed to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623076
this would be a great time to update it imo

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EDIT: P.S. lkrasner, I am still subscribed to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623076
this would be a great time to update it imo
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I was hoping people had forgotten that. Especially now that I don't even have an Atrix 2.

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I was hoping people had forgotten that. Especially now that I don't even have an Atrix 2.
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You didn't think I would just let you run away did you? Now get to work!
J/k..
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NEED HELP with any re-packer for WIN10

Okay, so i've managed to create a rooted rom that I was happy to do. I stayed up all night and up until now figuring out what i had to do. I need just one more thing, A EFFIN' CONVERTER OR A REPACKER THAT WORKS!!! okay so i opened my system.img using sgs2ext4 and edited what i had to so that things can work. Ive been mainly up because i cant find a re-packer that actually works for windows. i know most are gonna say linux,but, i did that with a live image boot and it was painful as hell. looooonnnnnnng boot up, system lags and freezes, and im on a macbook with bootcamp windows and a small ssd. I just need something for windows to do what i need done. ive tried so many within the past 7 hours. much appreciation for anyone who may help.
And please if you are gonna be a smart a$$ and reply idiotically over typos, irrelevant answers,etc... please dont bother.
i am doing this for myself and the community to contribute something that since rev2 has hit our device, only one other has been doing for us, partcyborg. he deserves a break and so here i am.
thank you

repacker
https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/tool-auto-tool-unpack-repack-rom-t3278393/page2 have you tried this one?

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Thanks ijoxer It's almost complete and I will test out Rom before release. Thanks

podagee said:
Okay, so i've managed to create a rooted rom that I was happy to do. I stayed up all night and up until now figuring out what i had to do. I need just one more thing, A EFFIN' CONVERTER OR A REPACKER THAT WORKS!!! okay so i opened my system.img using sgs2ext4 and edited what i had to so that things can work. Ive been mainly up because i cant find a re-packer that actually works for windows. i know most are gonna say linux,but, i did that with a live image boot and it was painful as hell. looooonnnnnnng boot up, system lags and freezes, and im on a macbook with bootcamp windows and a small ssd. I just need something for windows to do what i need done. ive tried so many within the past 7 hours. much appreciation for anyone who may help.
And please if you are gonna be a smart a$$ and reply idiotically over typos, irrelevant answers,etc... please dont bother.
i am doing this for myself and the community to contribute something that since rev2 has hit our device, only one other has been doing for us, partcyborg. he deserves a break and so here i am.
thank you
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Listen man, I'm not a mod so feel free to tell me to go kick rocks, but I'm just gonna lay it out for you. I think I can speak for everyone when I say, you don't always have to be so confrontational with your post, and it seems to be every single one of them (take a look through and tell me it isn't to the point of ridiculous). Nobody here is out to get you, and I know XDA isn't as user friendly as it once was, but the majority og users here will be grateful for any and all contributions, because it's what we're here for, to find and test custom projects that we can freely tweak and mod ourselves. You're almost always going to have at least one smartass taking a jab at you, thats life, and you have to learn to roll with the punches instead of making it a big deal. How you worded your post is far more likely to attract asshole comments (and this isn't meant to be one either) than any other, simply because you're making yourself an easy target for those looking to stir some **** up. You basically held up a sign that said, "I dare you to piss me off, just go ahead and try" and you know damn well someone will.
All that aside, I'm excited to see what you've come up with, I've been anxious to do something custom myself, mainly for personal use (unless it seems stable and different enough to release). I am genuinly thankful to have someone else trying to put up some development for our device, as it's been lacking now with all the consistent updates (@Jrkruse, I'm looking at you) So, shoot me a pm when you release it, or quote me if you don't mind, and please don't take any of that personally, just don't want to see another flame war start flooding your thread before you even get anything released. Just ignore the haters, and I used to be a grammar Nazi myself, but honestly, don't pay attention to those making fun for incorrect grammar, English isn't a lot of peoples first language anymore, and even for those it is, we've all had those moments.
Take care man, hope the development is coming along smooth for you! :good:

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Listen man, I'm not a mod so feel free to tell me to go kick rocks, but I'm just gonna lay it out for you. I think I can speak for everyone when I say, you don't always have to be so confrontational with your post, and it seems to be every single one of them (take a look through and tell me it isn't to the point of ridiculous). Nobody here is out to get you, and I know XDA isn't as user friendly as it once was, but the majority og users here will be grateful for any and all contributions, because it's what we're here for, to find and test custom projects that we can freely tweak and mod ourselves. You're almost always going to have at least one smartass taking a jab at you, thats life, and you have to learn to roll with the punches instead of making it a big deal. How you worded your post is far more likely to attract asshole comments (and this isn't meant to be one either) than any other, simply because you're making yourself an easy target for those looking to stir some **** up. You basically held up a sign that said, "I dare you to piss me off, just go ahead and try" and you know damn well someone will.
All that aside, I'm excited to see what you've come up with, I've been anxious to do something custom myself, mainly for personal use (unless it seems stable and different enough to release). I am genuinly thankful to have someone else trying to put up some development for our device, as it's been lacking now with all the consistent updates (@Jrkruse, I'm looking at you) So, shoot me a pm when you release it, or quote me if you don't mind, and please don't take any of that personally, just don't want to see another flame war start flooding your thread before you even get anything released. Just ignore the haters, and I used to be a grammar Nazi myself, but honestly, don't pay attention to those making fun for incorrect grammar, English isn't a lot of peoples first language anymore, and even for those it is, we've all had those moments.
Take care man, hope the development is coming along smooth for you! :good:
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Haha yeah man no offense taken..... I was just about to edit the post because I found DD and it's about time. Of course I post combat mode haha. It's not exact my right and like I said, I was just about to edit it.
So I'm building the blocks for my ext4 and hopefully soon it will be ready. Partcyborg has been helping me a bunch lately, so much appreciation and credit goes to him. I'm just trying to create a stable rom that's rooted. Hopefully once I get this one down, I can get something else in the works. I have and idea that will probably lighten me up a bit more haha. I apologize ONCE AGAIN. Haha. Yeah most times I'm in that mode,but, when it goes off, no one wants to bother me cause really I am asshole. Don mean to troll or troll my own threads. You had me laughing as soon as I read the post though. Stay tuned and hopefully soon more to come if I can get this damn thing correct.
Word of advice guys, no sleep, computer vision all night= one frumpy son of a ......
Sleep early, stay off your computer= happy guy.

podagee said:
Haha yeah man no offense taken..... I was just about to edit the post because I found DD and it's about time. Of course I post combat mode haha. It's not exact my right and like I said, I was just about to edit it.
So I'm building the blocks for my ext4 and hopefully soon it will be ready. Partcyborg has been helping me a bunch lately, so much appreciation and credit goes to him. I'm just trying to create a stable rom that's rooted. Hopefully once I get this one down, I can get something else in the works. I have and idea that will probably lighten me up a bit more haha. I apologize ONCE AGAIN. Haha. Yeah most times I'm in that mode,but, when it goes off, no one wants to bother me cause really I am asshole. Don mean to troll or troll my own threads. You had me laughing as soon as I read the post though. Stay tuned and hopefully soon more to come if I can get this damn thing correct.
Word of advice guys, no sleep, computer vision all night= one frumpy son of a ......
Sleep early, stay off your computer= happy guy.
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Well, glad it made you laugh, and definitely no need to apologize, I just know I can be an easy target when I'm in asshole mode myself. And like you, it'd probably be less frequent if I didn't stay up all night coding or reading, I'm on about 70 hrs straight right now (remember to get up frequently and get that blood moving fellow geek insomniacs ?), but hey, I'll sleep when I'm dead, because I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
But again, excited to see what ya came up with, and shout out to @partcyborg for being helpful and making his awesome roms, aaand getting v2 bootloaders running root, looks like we have a clear MVP for this device moving forward. I'll probably try getting in a few Zs, and then going to tinker with my N/O hybrid I just started phasing together.
Happy New Years ladies and gents, another night to to stay up and not even feel bad about it lol, maybe I can make some decent progress before the dreaded 9-5 is back to running my life. ???

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Haha yeah man no offense taken..... I was just about to edit the post because I found DD and it's about time. Of course I post combat mode haha. It's not exact my right and like I said, I was just about to edit it.
So I'm building the blocks for my ext4 and hopefully soon it will be ready. Partcyborg has been helping me a bunch lately, so much appreciation and credit goes to him. I'm just trying to create a stable rom that's rooted. Hopefully once I get this one down, I can get something else in the works. I have and idea that will probably lighten me up a bit more haha. I apologize ONCE AGAIN. Haha. Yeah most times I'm in that mode,but, when it goes off, no one wants to bother me cause really I am asshole. Don mean to troll or troll my own threads. You had me laughing as soon as I read the post though. Stay tuned and hopefully soon more to come if I can get this damn thing correct.
Word of advice guys, no sleep, computer vision all night= one frumpy son of a ......
Sleep early, stay off your computer= happy guy.
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Bro really? 70hours! Damn I'd be wigging out on everybody. Must be some good meth there buddy hahaha. 9-5? I lost my job cause I stayed up every night so far haha. Oh well, I just wanted to get something out before next week cause I won't be in front of anything that communicates with the world for a year or 2. Jail is where I'll get my sleep haha. Hopefully it doesn't go that way,but, if it does, Tuesday I won't be available and by the time I get out partcyborg will already have had this phone bootloader unlocked with Roms galore and probably will ha e moved to the n3xt best device haha. I just want a to contribute something before I leave,so, I kinda feel pressured. It's not anyone's business but I'm upfront and at least I tell the truth. So to be honest that's sort of f2f he reason why I been stressed lately and act like an asshole. At least one thing done positively, satisfaction in myself that I can say hey, even if it wasn't huge, I did my small part . Know what I mean? And yes I agree with Partcyborg being the MVP of this thread. He has been the only one to remain here and provide things for us when all others seemed to have abandoned us. Dude is extremely helpf and hasn't lost it on me yet for blowing the he'll out of his inbox haha. And yes jrkruse where you At? Hazmat where you At? Hazmat was the first on these s8+ threads I kept up with. He left after almost completing his of a update root, I finished it off and haven't seen him post or nothing ever since. The 3 greats in my eyes and onlyh one is still standing with us. Ok now I gotta figure out my block size and compile to ext4. I'm here typing a novel haha

well, dont know whats going on but when i build the blocks and count my linux freezes and does absolutely nothing. any pointers greatly appreciated

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well, dont know whats going on but when i build the blocks and count my linux freezes and does absolutely nothing. any pointers greatly appreciated
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I tried to pm you all day but xda says your account was deleted. I was stuck in travel hell for like 20h yesterday dealing with crap airlines at the holidays

Yea, great meth, but yours must be better with that short novel? ?
Now it says you've deleted your profile, tried messaging you back bud, sorry, had to get some sleep. Hope you don't go to jail, I couldn't do time myself, my anxiety would kill me.
Anyway, hope to see you back soon, and hopefully you made some progress.