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I don't own a backflip but i think we need a forum to try and speed up the rooting process. Not because we need to, but because it needs to be done to do the phone justice. I don't think it's a BAD phone, the keyboard to me is pretty nice compared to the droids keyboard, but come on. This limits the phone to idiot teenagers when it could probably do so much more.
+1 this is actually a good device that really only needs a decent ROM.
I also agree on this as I already pm'd my request to the admins. please consider. THX
Agreed, I love my Backflip.
I agree as well... I love the device itself, just need to sharpen the ROM.
The Droid or Cliq never recieved a forum and I doubt this will. I'm all for supporting none HTC devices but don't get your hopes up.
I doubt that the backflop (even the g1 running android 1.0/1.1 can do more things that the backflip) will get its own forum. You can post things in the android section though.
http://www.modmymoto.com/cmps_index.php
You should check out this site for your moto needs. Like this forum is for htc devices and modmymoto is for moto devices
"Backflop" LOL!
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I doubt that the backflop (even the g1 running android 1.0/1.1 can do more things that the backflip) will get its own forum. You can post things in the android section though.
http://www.modmymoto.com/cmps_index.php
You should check out this site for your moto needs. Like this forum is for htc devices and modmymoto is for moto devices
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I'm going to call BS on the G1 doing ANYTHING better than the Backflip. I owned a G1 and there is no comparison from build quality to the design and features. The Backflip has a couple of minor issues, otherwise it is a great phone. The issues are very minor and you can get around them easily enough.
Well as far as the moto droid, meh about it. The keyboard is meh which ruins it to me.
The reason we need a backflip forum is because this is actually one of the first solid Android phones for quite some time as far as phones with a keyboard (I just took a shot at the droid again. Go ahead, sue me.) It's also ATT's first android phone, and it needs to have some justice done for it. It's also just an interesting design which probably deserves it's own forum to me ;P
I think just having a Motorola Android forum would be just as good. BTW, I have a Droid for work and I much prefer the Backflip.
I would like to see a backflip forum as well. Seeing as its the only android phone ATT offers, I think we should have one.
I want to see a backflip forum. I got one and it is a great phone. AT&T just has too much crap loaded onto it that keeps autorunning itself (AT&T Navigator anyone?). I feel that this phone is way better build quality and has a lot more to it than a g1. I have owned 5 g1's and this is my first backflip.
Then again. I would also be just as happy seeing a "motoblur" section. This is one of my favorite android forums and I would hate to have to join another community.
Agreed. I've used these forums for the past two years for my Kaiser. Loved every second of it. Now I've upgraded to the Blackfip and I friggin love it. Albeit, there are some issues with it. My biggest gripe being that I can't get rid of the AT&T bullhooey (second being I don't have root ...yet). Let's at least have forums for each of the major brands/carrier whatever.
Either way, gotta love XDA-Devs!
After getting a lot of flak for selling locked down phones with crappy support from the company, things got a little heated and a Motorola rep told people that if they wanted hackable phones, they should buy them from someone else. Much outrage and Moto quickly told everyone that they REALLY loved dev's and rooters and much would be changed to make their phones more mod-able: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
Sounds great, but a lot of people (including me) remained sceptical. We wanted to see it with our own eyes instead of just believing their good intentions, but hopes were high. Then last night, this popped up: http://community.developer.motorola...pment-for/Cliq-BlurCamera-apk-libs/td-p/11290
Wow, way to support your devs, moto! Notice the wording "One of our devices"... A lot of us were up in arms on twitter, but then MarkAtMotorola, their official spokesperson for social media, swooped in with this little gem:
@mastermind278 @adumont it was a poor choice of words. Had I known about it prior, no one would have seen a message like that.
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To which I replied:
@markatmotorola @mastermind278 @adumont So you're saying that it just wasn't supposed to get out?
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Expecting a polite disclaimer, I was rather surprised when MarkAtMotorola tweeted this:
@sorensiim @adumont @mastermind278 it was intended but the wording could have been chosen better.
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So yeah, "MOD EDIT: DELETED HARD LANGUAGE, but politely" is indeed the official attitude from Motorola towards their customers.
I'll start saving for a Nexus S, then my Defy will be up for sale. Sad, it was a great phone, but having to fight Motorola for control of a phone I PAID IN FULL is just wrong.
Yeah, I'm done. It's really a shame, they've made some good stuff. I'm going to see if I can craigslist my droid 2 and pick up an incredible and won't be going back to moto. Lol, I should've known better!
I agree but I still think that moto don't care about devs coz the vast majority of people who buy mobile phones don't even know what version of android they are on, never mind, whether they have an unlocked bootloader.
unfortunately they will still sell lots of phones
Correct. Not much will change as long as people buy.
I will have to work with the defy for at least a year..I can't afford to keep swapping devices. And I am not so sure about Samsung either. Most likely I will go with HTC for my next device. But at the time the Defy really was the best choice and I can work with it for now.
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I agree but I still think that moto don't care about devs coz the vast majority of people who buy mobile phones don't even know what version of android they are on, never mind, whether they have an unlocked bootloader.
unfortunately they will still sell lots of phones
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Don't get me wrong, the Defy is still an awesome phone, but if I wanted a large corporation telling me what to do with the hardware I paid for, I would have bought an iPhone.
So very true!
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Don't get me wrong, the Defy is still an awesome phone, but if I wanted a large corporation telling me what to do with the hardware I paid for, I would have bought an iPhone.
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I agree but I still think that moto don't care about devs coz the vast majority of people who buy mobile phones don't even know what version of android they are on, never mind, whether they have an unlocked bootloader.
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This is quite true. Having a rooted android makes me a "computer hacker" according to my friends. They have no idea how to use an android to it's full capability like most people, and will bye Motorola phones because it's a Motorola phone.
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Don't get me wrong, the Defy is still an awesome phone, but if I wanted a large corporation telling me what to do with the hardware I paid for, I would have bought an iPhone.
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++ for sure. Its like I give you 500$ why do you have any right to tell me how I am going to use my device and what for? If I want to use it to make awesome calls or blow up small moons what business is it of Motorola's once they have got their money?
I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
Why do BMW, M-B, and Audi owners compare their cars? Both HTC and Samsung positioned the Sensation and the SGS2 as their "flagships" giving everyone the right to be critical. If you look at the SGS2 board, all's not perfect. I think everyone's just curious to see how the Sensation compares to both HTC's hype and other recently launched high-end phones.
in short yes... they are in every thread praising the almighty sgs2... but anyway this thread is irrelevant and should be deleted
Two awesome phones being released at the same time makes people in the market to buy consider both phones. When you do that, you consider all the specs to what you desire.
Both phones are great. The problem is once people decide which phone they prefer, they defend why they believe one phone is better than the other. It sparks debate, then at some point it gets childish when people start calling names, defending a manufacturer or condescend others for wanting one phone over the other.
Not to mention, once you shell out any amount of $$$ for something you have to justify it. If someone is saying it's not worth it, that may spark a bit of emotion if you like said product.
To me, it's more damaging than it does good. Everyone needs to agree to disagree or just be content with their purchases. If there are benefits of one phone over the other, then fine. Share information and let everyone decide what they want on their own. No need to call people "trolls" or "fanboys" because they prefer one device over the other. It's silly.
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I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
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Respectfully, you can just say all Samsung guys come over posting that the GSII is better, because it's there are a fair share of HTC sensation users that do the same, simply because of what the below/above/PREVIOUS post said. Generally (from what I've seen on other forums) ONCE you get the device, whether it be Sensation or the GSII, you tend to lay off the forums because you "contempt" with whichever phone you went for, because they're both beauties.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they put the Sensation down because they're trying to validate the purchase of the SG2. You have to admit, flaunting around your product, saying it's better, makes it seem better.
Who cares, Sammy just pist off htc release Sensation at the Same time as SGII. That's how bussiness is. Competitions..... Isn't great for us consumers? Plus im not dumb enough paying 750-800 for that plastic crap. Sensation 500 full retail and tons loads of dev.
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rameel said:
I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
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This -well-analyzed- behavior is called "Cognitive Dissonance" , and yes, it makes them feel better, even superior to do so. =D
so long, waiting for the sensation to come out unbranded on the market in germany.
Sgs 2 owner here, but loved my htc hero before this. Was checking out the sensation and evo 3d before I went for the sgs 2.
I liked all these phones equally, there really is not much between them that it really matters.
but sgs was released just as my upgrade come up.
Still very interested in the sensation and how people are finding it, so is why i come to this forum.
personally I believe I would of been just as happy with the sensation. looks a fantastic device that will be even nicer with a few patches/upgrades.
The SII is a much better offering but it still has huge, glaring weaknesses in my eyes. The cheap plastic casing is a turn off, I don't like the buttons or the hardware design whatsoever (I detest it so much I wouldn't even use a free SII) and the UI looks absolutely horrible. And those are mostly just the cosmetic flaws.
It does some things right but at the end of the day, if I somehow acquired that phone I'd sell it in favor of getting another dual core like the HTC Sensation or Evo 3D.
Lol another fanboy thread. I see plenty of HTC fanboys in the Samsung forum. Starting a whole thread about this as well? We all know the mods don't care either, or are in with the game. Sorry that the Sensation isn't getting the type of buzz that the GS2 is and this forum is way smaller, so people have nothing better to do than speculate and start ****. Dogs pushed into a corner will bark louder. Would be nice if all the fanboys just choked each other to death, but then again it is a HUMAN flaw.
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Lol another fanboy thread. I see plenty of HTC fanboys in the Samsung forum. Starting a whole thread about this as well? We all know the mods don't care either, or are in with the game. Sorry that the Sensation isn't getting the type of buzz that the GS2 is and this forum is way smaller, so people have nothing better to do than speculate and start ****. Dogs pushed into a corner will bark louder. Would be nice if all the fanboys just choked each other to death, but then again it is a HUMAN flaw.
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One word: FAIL!!!
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Interesting. So, I would think Sensation users don't care/compare Samsung or other products. That would be my question to the OP and other users.
EDIT: Why do you (OP) care about what others do? This is a forum, people will post and visit anywhere they like. If you don't understand this very simple logic, you better not use internet.
epsix said:
Who cares, Sammy just pist off htc release Sensation at the Same time as SGII. That's how bussiness is. Competitions..... Isn't great for us consumers? Plus im not dumb enough paying 750-800 for that plastic crap. Sensation 500 full retail and tons loads of dev.
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Enjoy your locked bootloader
Nah just kidding, both phones are class, just my personal preference is the GS2.
Wish the GS2 was made out of the same premium materials that the Sensation is made out of though
Andy2.2 said:
Enjoy your locked bootloader
Nah just kidding, both phones are class, just my personal preference is the GS2.
Wish the GS2 was made out of the same premium materials that the Sensation is made out of though
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Don't we all!
Personally I spent about 3 weeks deciding between the SGS2 and the Sensation, both are obviously great products.
I must have read every review and comparison on the net.
In the end I chose the Sensation because I prefer the solid feel, HTC Sense, and I'll take resolution above screen brightness and vibrancy, but these are all matters of personal choice and I can understand why others would choose differently.
Each to their own and enjoy your phone whichever one you bought.
The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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+1 hahahaha, hey Sammy what did you do with your unlock bootloader? What kind of rom do you have?
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The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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This goes against the objective of the thread. It's blasphemous to think about other products as per OP. You are not allowed to compare other products.
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What I am more worried about is why so less posts/threads about the product. The GS2 forum was filled with comments, complaints, discussion and the internet was filled with topics/reviews/analysis. Sensation on the opposite seems so quite. Everyone wants to know about the phone and I can't wait to read more.
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What I am more worried about is why so less posts/threads about the product. The GS2 forum was filled with comments, complaints, discussion and the internet was filled with topics/reviews/analysis. Sensation on the opposite seems so quite. Everyone wants to know about the phone and I can't wait to read more.
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SGS II went on sale first. That's why.
You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
And this is my basis to start this frustration rant. Either Samsung or the android os in general is not popular enough to push these technologies to be developed for the latest and greatest droid device and honeycomb.
Please understand I love droid and am anti ipad/apple. But the fact is I bought an ipad2 last night and I am doing all the things I can't on the Samsung.
Don't tell me to sideload anything. It simply does not work on the Verizon model. I want to root but no support has been lended to me and many others on this and many other droid sites. Including the Samsung forum site.
If there appears to be a way to root, then no one has a reversing flash for it.
In general, new technology or not, the apps should be there. When paying the equivalent price of an ipad the android tab should blow the freaking doors off apple. I've got em both right here and the ipad2 just kicked the bajesus out of this 10.1
Proprietary skiz and all for nothing more than me being able to log in get apps and have them work without bootlegging, voiding warranties and sideload this and that.
now before you go calling me a troll or a hater...
I have a
Dx2 and so does my wife
I hada first gen droid and ran chevy ss
Xoom
Samsung galxy 10.1
And now because droid is not "mainstream" enough a damn apple ipad2 in my house. What the hello, droid os is now officially pissing me off. I know that it is not the os fault but, really I disagree. If droid was selling tabs at half the rate of apples ipad then this freaking rant would never have been written and my azz would never considered looking at a freaking lemming apple ipad anything.
Maybe somebody here knows somebody that will forward this along because this kind lf crap right here. Droid developers not taking availability of apps seriously is what killed IBM in the 80's by thinking home pcs in every house was a farce.
droid development needs to lobby payoff incentavize whatever the hello they need to do to get service providers to write for droid if they want to command a price equal or greater than apple.
please do whatever you do agree or disagree but do not attack me personally or belittle my intelligence. I am neither a kid or dummy. I like technology but I do not like beating my head against the wall trying hours in vain to get something to work just to find out it won't.
I could go on but Why?
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It doesn't have locked bootloader... does it
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). MOD EDIT: REMOVED OFFENSIVE WORDS. you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). so to say "droid development" just makes you sound ignorant. you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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Really? Are you serious? Droid, Android,,,,, again Really? Yes I do understand that a droid is a phone and android is an operating system. Did you not see the reference to honeycomb etc..? Forgive me I don't mean to be disrespectful......this is just not the kind of response I'm looking for.
I'm sorry if my abbreviations confused you.
For locked bootloader again not an idiot the bootloader is locked. is that really a surprise dealing with big red. Samsung is doing what they are told I guess. Not only is the bootloader locked don't flash this puppy with odin or you will be unable to wipe or return to virgin setup.
PERIOD! at least with the current means and methods on the net.
Samsung wifi models some were shipped with unlocked bootloaders but not Verizon models. Again! I am only referencing the 4g model so any other make model manufacturer is completely irrelevant.
I have had 3 of these in my hands they are all on lockdown. They also are telling people 4g must be activated to get owner registration......the first one I returned doa to the selling dealer but big red corporate would not exchange it because I didn't HVE 4g turned on so in their system I didn't even show owning the product.
I could go on and on.
point is everything in the original post in 100% true and accurate and knowledge from my personal hands on experience.
I am hoping that someone takes it personally and gets some interest in mastering this device. I pretty much root all my devices but after bringing my first one Bck to lofe 4 times and never getting superuser I am in a holding position until full accurate knowledgable instructions on how to unlock bootloader, backup, root, unroot. I am waiting.
Truth again, the post was not about rooting but the fact that the android development team had better start using some power in their speech to people like skype, netflix, and any other major player on behalf of us the people that buy android devices or we are and are gonna continue to be pissed if they don't get it and that means we will buy other peoples stuff ya know,,,the whole supply demand free market concept?...
Especially when I go pay the same price for an ipad2 and all the skizz I want is a click away for free and with no effort or time wasted in a forum on why my stuff doesnt offer main stream popular sh#%!
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to the OP.....you do understand the difference between "Droid" and Android, right? "Droid" is just Verizon's marketing campaign for SPECIFIC android devices (Motorola Droid, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Droid Charge). . you purchased a carrier specific tablet, not a WiFi model. therefore, development for said device will only move forward considering more people decide to buy it. theres plenty of development for the WiFi version of the GT10.1.
as for locked bootloaders.......actually, Samsung doesn't ever lock bootloaders, from what i understand. HTC has been known to, and Motorola is notorious at it. Samsung and i believe LG have the easiest exploits when it comes to rooting.
BTW, the Honeycomb source code hasn't been released for any device, probably not until ICS drops.
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One last thing. To pick up on one keyword "droid development" while overlooking the entire context of the post after in that same post disclaiming that I did not want anyone to attack or belittle me and you then state that I appear IGNORANT? Well maybe it will to some, but, what you just did makes you appear far worse. Imho...
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You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
And this is my basis to start this frustration rant. Either Samsung or the android os in general is not popular enough to push these technologies to be developed for the latest and greatest *droid* device and honeycomb.
Please understand I love *droid* and am anti ipad/apple. But the fact is I bought an ipad2 last night and I am doing all the things I can't on the Samsung.
Don't tell me to sideload anything. It simply does not work on the Verizon model. I want to root but no support has been lended to me and many others on this and many other *droid* sites. Including the Samsung forum site.
If there appears to be a way to root, then no one has a reversing flash for it.
In general, new technology or not, the apps should be there. When paying the equivalent price of an ipad the android tab should blow the freaking doors off apple. I've got em both right here and the ipad2 just kicked the bajesus out of this 10.1
Proprietary skiz and all for nothing more than me being able to log in get apps and have them work without bootlegging, voiding warranties and sideload this and that.
now before you go calling me a troll or a hater...
I have a
Dx2 and so does my wife
I hada first gen *droid* and ran chevy ss
Xoom
Samsung galxy 10.1
And now because *droid* is not "mainstream" enough a damn apple ipad2 in my house. What the hello, *droid* os is now officially pissing me off. I know that it is not the os fault but, really I disagree. If *droid* was selling tabs at half the rate of apples ipad then this freaking rant would never have been written and my azz would never considered looking at a freaking lemming apple ipad anything.
Maybe somebody here knows somebody that will forward this along because this kind lf crap right here. *Droid* developers not taking availability of apps seriously is what killed IBM in the 80's by thinking home pcs in every house was a farce.
*droid* development needs to lobby payoff incentavize whatever the hello they need to do to get service providers to write for *droid* if they want to command a price equal or greater than apple.
please do whatever you do agree or disagree but do not attack me personally or belittle my intelligence. I am neither a kid or dummy. I like technology but I do not like beating my head against the wall trying hours in vain to get something to work just to find out it won't.
I could go on but Why?
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look above....i didnt just pick out ONE time you used "droid" to describe something that runs android. so yeah....you sound REALLY ignorant. You literally used "Droid" 10 times
and regarding bootloaders:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?2511-ROOT-RECOVERY-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-LTE&
all i had to do was google "galaxy tab 10.1 LTE Recovery"....do you know how to google something??
so yeah.......
I'm surprised that you have been allowed to start a thread which expresses your own personal opinion. I've had a thread removed to the Off-Topic Forum because I did that.
Gaugerer said:
I'm surprised that you have been allowed to start a thread which expresses your own personal opinion. I've had a thread removed to the Off-Topic Forum because I did that.
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They may yet censor me but, the title says opinion the body of the post is all fact. We shall see.
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thachosenone said:
look above....i didnt just pick out ONE time you used "droid" to describe something that runs android. so yeah....you sound REALLY ignorant. You literally used "Droid" 10 times
and regarding bootloaders:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?2511-ROOT-RECOVERY-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-LTE&
all i had to do was google "galaxy tab 10.1 LTE Recovery"....do you know how to google something??
so yeah.....
I've seen the post and it works but it doesn't return the device back to stock. also again you fail to see where rooting was not the point of the above post. It was one point out of many.
So I was in a hurry and didn't put an in front of droid each time. I did however say
Droid device
Droid os
Etc..
To a common sense individual they got it.
To someone interested in ignoring the subject, offering no solution, as I am guessing you are not a developer, and being negative you Win!
I'm ignorant yea you win now please go away.
So glad we got that straight.
Bye bye now.
Mark
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But if you have a custom recovery, couldn't you just make a cwm backup when you first get it? Then that would return it to stock when you restore that backup.
They don't drop source code for honeycomb. That's just how they do it.
you further perpetuate the misconception that "Droids" are anything with Android on it. It's bad enough when people who know nothing of rooting and such call it "Droid". But you're on xda.
And I've contributed to the community a lot more then you have man. You've only offered this rant.
And every post, on here, I've still offered some sort of answer or advice.
Don't be one if those people that come on here to demand people to develop for the device you bought. Be happy with what is offered and have patience. All you accomplished on your OP is sounding like a jackass with buyers remorse.
And GTFO with your iPad.
For some reason no you cannot flash cwm. Theres a ton of people posting on this and why it sends the tab into a bootloop. There are also multiple post on this forum and others where people are asking for the stock image due to this.
There is also a post where rooting instructions are clear and precise. One problem. The links are broken and no longer valid.
I do not further perpetuate anything. You may perceive it that way because you have the inability to look at a forest instead of a frikken tree.
I have stated enough times that I do understand that Android is an O.s. and that "droid" is a phone device produced by motorola, although I never mentioned moto.
Geez.. Also I stated in my OP that I bought the ipad2 for comparison. I do not want the ipad2 as I have invested way too much in market apps and gmail to start the wallet all over with apple apps. However, now that I have an ipad2, I dont hate it. It's a good machine. If that makes me bad then ok, whatever.
My first post was done largely abbreviated and maybe i didnt convey my points or angle well enough. I'll concede that but, I was typing on my samsung tablet and was just trying to get some action on the topic. The last thing I wanted was for someone to make it their mission to point out what was wrong line by line but, hey whatever.
Simply put just in case my original post was written ineffectively on my tablet. I am on my desktop now and the keyboard is much more effective than trying to type a letter on the tablet, let me reexplain my op.
Simply put,
I prefer the Android O.s.
I like the samsung tablet.
The memory, processor, flash, a million things I see potential in.
However, when I analyze something I also analyze as if or from a consumer standpoint and maybe not so much a dev. standpoint.
By this alone I think that the people/powers that be need to wake up and push the big boys like skype, netflix, etc... to make apps that will be compatible with the latest and greatest release of not only the O.s. but the hardware devices that come from HTC, Moto, Samsung, lg, etc....
In order to get mass appeal from consumers ****e is gonna have to work or people will opt for what does work.
Right now the samsung 10.1 wifi's only work netflix on some platforms not all.
Right now the samsung 10.1 wifis and lte models will not do skype with the front cam.. so no video on either side.
ALSO TRUE FOR XOOM
These are just 2 apps but, they are "THE" two apps that alot of people converting to tabs are wanting.
Contrary to popular belief most people buy tabs to eff off with. They are not hot like a laptop, they surf relatively well, but everyday consumers want to skype, netflix, check email, all of it.
They do not want to be in front of a desktop with their tablet hooked up via usb hacking and sacking the images, custom roms, etc... That is a few of which I am one of but, even I grow tired and frustrated when I brick ****e and screw it up but, really, just to get netflix loaded. No way man, I want to click and install enter my username and watch my son watch his movies.
Yeah its fun getting them working again but, with this thing.......It's all for nothing. I still dont have the full potential of this device because it simply will not do it.
Apple ipad2 does both of these out of the box with no trickery. Just search and download.
That may not be a problem for you as a senior member and expert at going thru the work of sideloading apps etc...... but, for mom at the grocery store. She's gonna pick what works with the click of a button.
Android devices and The Android O.s. developers are going to have to be compelled to make the ****e work on their devices if they want to take the sales to the next level. This is not my opinion at all. This is just fact. You can have a great hardware device and a sporty o.s. but, if there is no software available for it, or apps in this case then you have nothing and you certainly dont have buyers for it.
Ipad sales compared to android type tab devices are not even in the same universe. Ipad sales are smashing Android based tabs. Not because they have been out longer either.
Why is that? Well people are sheep for one! I get it but, how does Android smash Apple? Well they do it by #1 advertising, #2 being better (measurably), (which I believe they already are) , but they also have to, have to, have to, offer at least what the ipad will do and more.
Come on man, I'm not asking for the world here.
To be better when you are the underdog you have to be twice as good. NOt from a hardware standpoint but, from all of it. Cosmetics, function, hardware,cost,more apps, better graphics. etc...
Android has done most of this but, not all of it. The apps lacking in the market have got to catch up immediately or people will continue doing what they have been doing. Buying ipads
Again, this is what the post was about. You just think that Android and hardware is good now. Get them (the Android stiffs) the revenue stream that Apple has and then we will "really" see some cool stuff.
this may be the one negative about open source. If the people making the apps and the people making the devices, and the people making the upgrades to the O.s. are not all working together then Android will not be "THE" player, they will just be "A" player in the sea of other players.
I am also not demanding anyone develop for my specific tablet. I really dont care if they do or not. But, if that is the attitude of a tablet that is supposed to be "THE" tablet for the Android flagship right now, that's a bad attitude or stance for them to take when basic apps are not even offered or if they do they will not work. Not exactly how your gonna get susie away from the apple store. Again, this is simply about marketing, and retail appeal.
Develop, dont develop, the market wins only players lose.
On a personal note.
By the way, I have not one time condemned or attacked you. You have insisted on calling me names and being sarcastic to me each time you post. Please let me say that it was not my intent to offend you. This post was not about you or the fact that you help people or dont help people on this site.
I would like you to stop calling me ignorant and telling me to GTFO and such about an ipad, after I said that I was pro android.
I will say one thing about the comparison of the 2.
Apple kicks the samsung on two major things:
Keyboard does not lag on apple. I am always backspacing corrections on the samsung.
Apple has apps, our android market does not.
Now I'll compare the Xoom and The Samsung 10.1
I like the xoom better. At least netflix works on it.
However, skype does not so Apple still wins in flexibility of apps.
I like the hardware and acceleration of the samsung 10.1 over all of them.
I am not sure what gives on the keyboard lag? Sucks.
This is exactly why I placed in my original post that I was not hating on Android and I did not want personal attacks.
I am asking you to please stop. I am not interested in name calling.
Continue if you must but, I will not engage in calling you names.
At all
Please keep discussion on topic and do not use offensive words
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Its Android not Droid dammit!
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Well put Android os is really getting old with exclusive apps for certain devices or with verizon with there own app store. Don't they know they would make more Money releasing to everyone duh. If a old ass iphone 4g can play high end games why not my duel core sensation ? Or in your case the tablet.
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Well put Android os is really getting old with exclusive apps for certain devices or with verizon with there own app store. Don't they know they would make more Money releasing to everyone duh. If a old ass iphone 4g can play high end games why not my duel core sensation ? Or in your case the tablet.
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Finally someone that looks past jargon and looks at subject matter!!!!! Another common sense human on here! What strange feeling this is,,,,
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Man... Everything in here by the OP is nonsensical and tough to read.
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Man... Everything in here by the OP is nonsensical and tough to read.
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+1
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Update!
Netflix is not in the market but there is an apk for it now and it works!
Skype folks say they are working on a solutionno time commitment though.
Clockwork and roms still limited but will come in time hopefully.
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You wonder why I post this, I get it. Personal experience warrants that I tell you about this Verizon tab.
Locked bootloader
No netflix
No skype for front camera
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In reply to all three: BULL****! I have had a Verizon Galaxy Tab 10.1 for many months and:
1. The bootloader is not and was not ever locked
2. Netflix patch was trivial to install (and it runs great)
3. Skype does support the front camera (as of its most recent release a couple months ago)
Other than that, rooting the device was just as simple as installing Netflix.
Hi guys,
as you may know, there aren't any actual android phones with an HW keyboard. Some people still prefer them to "normal" touchscreen devices.
As seen on the Motorola Milestone / Droid forums, or the G2, there are some people sometimes talking about "to what could we upgrade?"
The only option for Verizon users inside the US is the Motorola Droid 4, but it's not aviable as global-phone.
I think there might be some interest of other people, this is not really a petition, more a way to show manufactors, that there is still interest for HW-Keyboard-Phones, and not that every phone on the world, should look like an iPhone.
Not everyone is a girl or has thin fingers, also there are people still using smartphones as business devices, so they write emails onto it etc... this is what smartphones were originally made for.
If anyone of you is interested in this, he can feel free to sign. Maybe Samsung or anybody else will see this petition one day with plenty of signs in it and they will say "let's make one, there are people intending to buy it"
change.org/petitions/all-android-smartphone-manufactors-make-a-good-phone-with-an-hw-keyboard
(can't post links, would be nice if anyone could answer with this as link)
thank you for reading.
Xperia Pro don't have the best specs, but run really fast, and have a full QWERTY keyboard.
Theres also the Samsung Stratosphere, its specs aren't as good as the Droid 3 (besides having 4G) but at least its another keyboard offering. They have made several HW keyboard phones in the past.
Hopefully as businesses switch from the dying blackberry platform they will go for devices with a physical keyboard. Motorola also has a blackberry looking phone called the Droid Pro.