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I know this is not an Apple/iPhone forum but I've seen a number of users on here that have or had an iPhone so I thought I would just ask some general questions.
Right now I'm borrowing a friends 2G iPhone to try out, still trying to get my SIM working in it without adding data temporarily, but that's a whole different story. Anyways, I also want to get an HTC Fuze and just switch back and forth between the two phones depending on which one I want to carry that day.
I am aware they both have their positives and negatives, I do not want to turn this thread into a WinMo Vs. iPhone thread.
My main confusion lies in the data plan. I would like to have data with both phones. Can I add the iPhone plan to my account and then switch the SIM back and forth and use the iPhone plan for data on the Fuze? or would I have to purchase the PDA plan from ATT for the Fuze, add the iPhone data plan when I activate it and then call and cancel the iPhone data the next day and just use the PDA plan for both phones? or would I have to purchase two separate data plans? In which case, it's going to be a very tough decision on which phone I get.
Not sure how it works in the states but here in the UK a data plan is attached to a sim so, swapping a sim from one phone to another shouldn't make any diference.
For example, I have a TD and an Omnia and I can switch between the two fine without any issues or cost.
To be honest, your best bet would be an Iphone forum as the winmob device won't care but, i'm not sure how the Ipony works ... does it use "apple" specific transport/protocol/ports etc?
g8m3rtag said:
I know this is not an Apple/iPhone forum but I've seen a number of users on here that have or had an iPhone so I thought I would just ask some general questions.
Right now I'm borrowing a friends 2G iPhone to try out, still trying to get my SIM working in it without adding data temporarily, but that's a whole different story. Anyways, I also want to get an HTC Fuze and just switch back and forth between the two phones depending on which one I want to carry that day.
I am aware they both have their positives and negatives, I do not want to turn this thread into a WinMo Vs. iPhone thread.
My main confusion lies in the data plan. I would like to have data with both phones. Can I add the iPhone plan to my account and then switch the SIM back and forth and use the iPhone plan for data on the Fuze? or would I have to purchase the PDA plan from ATT for the Fuze, add the iPhone data plan when I activate it and then call and cancel the iPhone data the next day and just use the PDA plan for both phones? or would I have to purchase two separate data plans? In which case, it's going to be a very tough decision on which phone I get.
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Do you plan to purchase the two devices with a 1/2-year plan for each?
I plan on buying the 2G iPhone from my friend, so no contract obviously. The Fuze I plan on buying with a two year contract.
Any other iPhone users out there with some ideas?
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..Any other iPhone users out there with some ideas?
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you dont need any other iPhone users mate, you have the attention of Menneisyys, if anyone can answer this for you.... he's the one
g8m3rtag said:
I plan on buying the 2G iPhone from my friend, so no contract obviously. The Fuze I plan on buying with a two year contract.
Any other iPhone users out there with some ideas?
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Then, you'll be able to just swap the card among the two phones. I'm continuously doing the same between my iPhone 3G and other PDA's and phones.
Monty Burns said:
you dont need any other iPhone users mate, you have the attention of Menneisyys, if anyone can answer this for you.... he's the one
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Lol, I guess so.
Menneisyys said:
Then, you'll be able to just swap the card among the two phones. I'm continuously doing the same between my iPhone 3G and other PDA's and phones.
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So you just have the required iPhone data plan on your bill and it works with the iPhone as well as your other WinMo phones? So the easiest thing for me to do right now would be to put my SIM in the iPhone, activate it through iTunes, add the data plan. Eventually make my way to an ATT store to get the Fuze and just tell them I want a two year contract and no data, They'll put my SIM into the Fuze and then when I want to just go back to the iPhone swap my SIM into it?
Or should I go get the Fuze, tell them I don't want a data plan, they'll swap my SIM out of my current non-smartphone into it, then I put the SIM into the iPhone and activate it and the iPhone data plan?
Well, if you are on ATT, then as soon as you start using the iPhone with your sim, ATT will automatically change your entire plan (Calls + Data) to the iPhone plan, or atlest this was what was happening till a few months ago.
I had the 2g iphone for 13 days and I was able to use the 3g sim card and the data plan (not 3g though) on my stock att 8125. I think the main difference between plans is unlimited SMS.
I do not believe you can use an old sim to activate to an iphone, I might be wrong or outdated on this but my old sims and even my new one do not work with the iphone. I was told some time ago that only new 3g sim cards and the iphoen imei can activate for an iphone plan.
Am I outdated?
Well I'm on a family plan with my parents so I would hope it doesn't change the voice plan, only the data?
And what order should I activate the phones, should I do the iPhone through iTunes and then go get the Fuze or should I go sign the two year contract with the Fuze and then add the iPhone through iTunes?
If I sign a two year contract with the Fuze and then activate the iPhone through iTunes will they charge me the $175 ETF? I don't think they would since I believe the contract is for the line of service, not the device but I want to make sure?
Anyone got an idea on which way I should do it?
Your scenario is so specific that it is beyond my iphone experience. I think you should move over to the forums at wireless.att.com and ask over there. DARE I SAY...They are a good resource and has good depth of knowledge about sims/plans/iphone.
Maybe you can convince the 'Rents to allow you your own plan. Go to LetsTalk and get a free Fuze from Att. )
I cant wait for the iphone to come out on another provider...with a better data plan...
Hey guys, I need to cancel my data plan on my account with AT&T, and the rep told me b/c it's a smart phone it requires a data plan with it.
I installed that one program that disables network connections so no data is transferred at all, but I'd still be paying the $30/month.
Does anyone know of a program to blind the IDMI or w/e number so that AT&T doesn't know what phone I'm using? I mean, yea I can just put my SIM in another phone and use that and cancel the plan just fine. I'd LIKE to continue using the fuze as a normal phone b/c it has wifi and is an all-around better phone than say a moto razor. This way I can call from a razor, cancel the plan, and put the SIM back in the Fuze and according to my account online it won't know I've switched back to the Fuze.
Ideas? Thanks.
tell the rep that he/she is a liar and a jerk. You can remove your dataplan. the only phone out there that requires you to have a dataplan is the iphone. get yourself a rep that actually knows what they're talking about.
Last time they told my gf that her only option for txt mssging is to pay for the unlimited and i kept telling her you can get 200 for $5 and the rep says no, I told her to get another rep and that rep set it up for her.
You actually do need a data plan for any smartphone, if you upgrade to another smart phone theres no way to get out of paying $30 for data
Broman400 said:
You actually do need a data plan for any smartphone, if you upgrade to another smart phone theres no way to get out of paying $30 for data
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I have to agree with mputtr. Keep trying until you get a rep that will do it for you. By the way, I've upgraded twice over the past 3 1/2 years with ATT smartphones, and I was never required to get a data plan. I still don't have one to this day.
LBCta said:
I have to agree with mputtr. Keep trying until you get a rep that will do it for you. By the way, I've upgraded twice over the past 3 1/2 years with ATT smartphones, and I was never required to get a data plan. I still don't have one to this day.
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tell the rep that he/she is a liar and a jerk. You can remove your dataplan. the only phone out there that requires you to have a dataplan is the iphone. get yourself a rep that actually knows what they're talking about.
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Not true anymore, since September 6, it's now AT&T policy that every smartphone requires the $30 data plan, not just the iphone (BBs included). The only way to get out of this is if you had a smartphone BEFORE that date and either didn't have a data plan or had a cheaper one and therefore you're grandfathered in. You could try to find a rep to do it for you, and even in the rare case you do find one, once AT&T matches your IMEI, they're gonna put the data plan back on and possibly charge you for trying to circumvent the policy.
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Not true anymore, since September 6, it's now AT&T policy that every smartphone requires the $30 data plan, not just the iphone (BBs included). The only way to get out of this is if you had a smartphone BEFORE that date and either didn't have a data plan or had a cheaper one and therefore you're grandfathered in. You could try to find a rep to do it for you, and even in the rare case you do find one, once AT&T matches your IMEI, they're gonna put the data plan back on and possibly charge you for trying to circumvent the policy.
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He's right. Though, how long do you think it will take for them to match up the IMEI's? Because I've switched my SIM through several Winmo phones (shh, off the record) and never been asked about it.
I'm hoping AT&T will be lazy because I really don't like this idea
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He's right. Though, how long do you think it will take for them to match up the IMEI's? Because I've switched my SIM through several Winmo phones (shh, off the record) and never been asked about it.
I'm hoping AT&T will be lazy because I really don't like this idea
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Yeah, it's either hit or miss I guess. At times my Fuze will go unnoticed after using a dumbphone, and then all of a sudden it will show up in OLAM, but I've had the Medianet plan on the Fuze forever, so no worries
But from what I hear AT&T is more aggressive in searching for people, so all I can say is good luck!
I've got three phones on family data & family texting... $60 total for all three. Fuze, BJII and Samsung Eternity. I want to upgrade fuze to Tilt2 & BJII to better smartphone, but I don't want to get jacked by AT&T forcing a move to data plans. Anyone know if you can switch back thought the website once you've signed up for data plan?
I've had a Tilt forever. I need to uprade, hopefully to a HTC Pure, however already having a family plan with 5 phones, I don't need or want a data plan o top of that expense. Is there a way of using an unlocked phone to avoid the ATT Nazis? Thanks for any help. Hoping that I won't have to go back to an iPaq Pocket PC.
the only real way of doing it is after upgrading the phone wait a month or so while paying for data then put the sim in a old razr or something and go online change your IMEI and then call and say u lost the new one and have them take data off.
then just swap sims later and hope they dont notice
Here's a quick fix that always works: (I've done this many, many times)
1. Get yourself a dumbphone, i.e. non-winmo/BB/iPhone devices like those Nokia's or SE's
2. Get the IMEI# of the dumbphone ready because the rep would want to register that with your account.
3. Call the rep from the dumbphone, and tell him/her that you're NOT gonna use your smartphone anymore and that you would want the data plan to be removed.
OR
This would also be the chance for you to downgrade your data plan to the cheaper $15/mo MediaNET, most dumbphones will be eligible for that.
4. Hang up and put back the SIM card into the smartphone again, voila.
The trick is to NEVER call the rep from the smartphone as they're able to detect your IMEI from the network.
Good luck.
I like many of you, have a love for the newest, fastest phones, but am also around wifi all the time. Then comes the companies forcing us to buy data plans along with our phones. Currently with AT&T, I have a smartphone without a data plan, I believe it's because I got this before AT&T changed it's T&C about data plans. When I got a smartphone in the past, I would be required to have the data plan at first, but I would be able to cancel it after the first 30 days.
Looking at t-mobile, you cannot cancel the data plan or any other services during the life of the contract.
AT&T, will now add a data plan onto your account regardless
Verizion's terms and conditions page was apparently down for me
Sprint's terms and conditions are really abstract =(
Is there any way you can still get around the data plan requirement?
Possibly like I did with at&t before but also put a data block on the account to prevent them from adding a new data plan?
t-mobile is ok if i pay for the phone out of pocket with their no contract plan, but i'm looking to buy 4 smart phones, or at the very least 2.
anyone have any ideas about this issue?
please no arguments like: "the phone is meant to be used with a data plan"
because the phone is meant to be used with the internet and wifi = internet
kanwal236 said:
Is there any way you can still get around the data plan requirement?
Possibly like I did with at&t before but also put a data block on the account to prevent them from adding a new data plan?
t-mobile is ok if i pay for the phone out of pocket with their no contract plan, but i'm looking to buy 4 smart phones, or at the very least 2.
anyone have any ideas about this issue?
please no arguments like: "the phone is meant to be used with a data plan"
because the phone is meant to be used with the internet and wifi = internet
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The only answer is to not sign a contract with the carrier. Buy a phone from a 3rd party, or pay the extra money up front for a no-contract.
Even then, most android phones are set to automatically transmit data back to the carrier, so you will have to go over all the settings very carefully to make sure that the carrier doesn't have a reason to charge you off-plan data rates.
As far as I know, the smaller carriers don't require a data plan for user-owned equipment. I know AT&T does for the iphone and I imagine that Verizon probably does for their android line
Hey guys I just wanted to ask one question before I actually buy the desire hd. When i got my Tilt 2 one year ago, I told them I didnt want a data plan and they told me it was ok because i have been a customer for 5 years. So question is are they going to force me to get a data plan when i get the desire hd. thanks in advance.
you cannot get it without the data plan, this is ATT's policy now. that said, android OS works much differently, and not having a data plan would probably not work simply because of the way android OS works. you can try it though, curious to hear results...
from what i was told in the past, if you get a cool rep at the store, which i have come across in my area.
You can get them to cancel the data plan after the first month.
epicKA8 said:
from what i was told in the past, if you get a cool rep at the store, which i have come across in my area.
You can get them to cancel the data plan after the first month.
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This is NOT the case anymore. If you get a smartphone on AT&T, you are required to get a dataplan. End Of Story.
If you don't want a data plan, the question you should ask yourself is (unless you have WiFi to connect to all the time) do you really need a smartphone?
epicKA8 said:
from what i was told in the past, if you get a cool rep at the store, which i have come across in my area.
You can get them to cancel the data plan after the first month.
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Once that person makes their first phone call with their phone, the network registers their IMEI and puts them on the correct data plan.
Nice try though.
The ATT policy aside, because android uses data for so much, I doubt you could even set up the phone unless near WiFi. When out and about away from WiFi, so many parts of the OS reach out for data that it would be very different than what one might realize. It's not like the old windows mobile days where data can just be shut off. But this is why I'm curious to see the results though.
I called att support and they can block data on your line so you never get any data ever, you could turn off data plan that way
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This is NOT the case anymore. If you get a smartphone on AT&T, you are required to get a dataplan. End Of Story.
If you don't want a data plan, the question you should ask yourself is (unless you have WiFi to connect to all the time) do you really need a smartphone?
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really? i was told this when i got my phone from my guy who works at the store. you sign up, the must, but after teh first month they can remove it.
Sportsguy15 said:
Once that person makes their first phone call with their phone, the network registers their IMEI and puts them on the correct data plan.
Nice try though.
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only if you don't unlock it
epicKA8 said:
really? i was told this when i got my phone from my guy who works at the store. you sign up, the must, but after teh first month they can remove it.
only if you don't unlock it
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If you unlock it, what trick is there to fake the imei? I haven't heard of any yet on android and I looked thru the source code and all to try compiling a kernel to do so. Curious what method you know of!
2 things, you can't drop a data plan as far as i know with at&t, they are changing stuff every week right now however trying to get some sort of edge it seems.
I turned on an old tilt this past week for my kid and they no longer require a data plan it seems on older PDA's. It was a ridiculous rule. So i have data blocked on it and he uses the wifi. Finally one tiny issue solved.
More good news.. (remember you get a different answer with every rep)
I was able to turn on the 2gig plan for 25 instead of the normal $30 its been.
And i was told i can turn on a 4 gig plan now for 40 with 250mb roll overs @ 15$ per.
This is news to me ive only seen the 200mb and the 2 gb plan up till now. Tmobi is like 5 gb a month (unlimited) so its nice to see this (since i swear the 4g is eating up data on me)
I've heard from my aunt, who "worked" for att, that if you were grandfathered in, since the old days where you didn't need a Data plan for a Smartphone, you can still get one without a plan. (I remember my first WM Smartphone was bought this way)
You just have to be sure to specify this point, that you are Grandfathered in.
Since she knows this, Her Son, bought a BlackBerry for his daughter, and insisted on no Data plan, the Rep. allowed it because he was Grandfathered in.
I intend to Buy an Inspire, later this week, using my Mom's upgrade; she actually uses a Blackberry, without a Data Plan too! ;D
It should work the same, my dad says we should be Great-Grandfathered in, cause we were there when it was still Cingular and the First $10.00 Unlimited Data Plans came out.
As far as I know it doesn't work that way. You are already grandfathered in because they are allowing you to use a smart phone without data. But as soon as you get a new phone you will automatically be forced to upgrade to a data plan. My wife tried the same thing, she had a blackberry with no data but when she got a new phone they automatically gave her a data plan.
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freekquency said:
2 things, you can't drop a data plan as far as i know with at&t, they are changing stuff every week right now however trying to get some sort of edge it seems.
I turned on an old tilt this past week for my kid and they no longer require a data plan it seems on older PDA's. It was a ridiculous rule. So i have data blocked on it and he uses the wifi. Finally one tiny issue solved.
More good news.. (remember you get a different answer with every rep)
I was able to turn on the 2gig plan for 25 instead of the normal $30 its been.
And i was told i can turn on a 4 gig plan now for 40 with 250mb roll overs @ 15$ per.
This is news to me ive only seen the 200mb and the 2 gb plan up till now. Tmobi is like 5 gb a month (unlimited) so its nice to see this (since i swear the 4g is eating up data on me)
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where were you able to do this?
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where were you able to do this?
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The 2GB data plan has always been $25. The unlimited data plan is $30.
Looking for an android phone to use on ATT that does not require a data plan.
Until recently i was using the HTC Amaze 4g ( a Tmobile phone) on ATT. For a few months i had no data, no problem. Then i started using the gps a bit, so i got the data, but it was data unlimited for $10/month since the phone was unidentified. That lasted for 3 months or so, then i got the dreadful text saying i need to add data to my line cause its a smartphone.. I then read online, that the Original Nexus, not the 4, was unidentified by AT&T, and that it could be used without data. So i got that, but within 12hrs was forced onto a data plan.
NOW, i am looking for any help or advice on finding a smartphone, preferably android, to use on ATT without data. I almost always have wifi, and really just cant pay $30 extra a month for data that i wont use.
Want a phone that i can check my gmail on, gchat, and have my calendar and music handy, without having multiple devices...
I know this has been discussed in the past, but the threads i came across are outdated, and with new policies and new phones, i was hoping for an update.
Thank you in advance for any help.
I considered putting a pre-paid SIM for minutes in my smartphone - but that would really be NO DATA.
You could probably pretty easily do that - it would just be no data at all.
They might not let you do it on a contract on ATT. T-Mobile doesn't care if you're on a pre-paid plan, but it would depend on if they had good coverage in your area (I am on the $30/mo plan 100min/unlimited text/5Gb data - they have one that focuses on minutes, too). There are also other pre-paid services that use various towers that offer competitive prices.
I guess it really depends on what you need from the service.
Pop your sim into a dumb phone, call them and tell them you want a data block, after they do their thing put the sim back into the smartphone. I've had it like that for 2 years, then I got data, and after a month I had to bock it again, so I put the sim into a dumb phone again and called them to put a block. It always works.
jaszek said:
Pop your sim into a dumb phone, call them and tell them you want a data block, after they do their thing put the sim back into the smartphone. I've had it like that for 2 years, then I got data, and after a month I had to bock it again, so I put the sim into a dumb phone again and called them to put a block. It always works.
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Thats what ive done... but within a day or two, the data plan gets forced back on again... I even tried blocking data on the line, not using any at all, just wifi, and still they force it on. The rep says that the system scans for smartphones, and when it detects one it auto adds the data on.
atat sucks
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Thats what ive done... but within a day or two, the data plan gets forced back on again... I even tried blocking data on the line, not using any at all, just wifi, and still they force it on. The rep says that the system scans for smartphones, and when it detects one it auto adds the data on.
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Weird. Did you tell them to put a data block specifically? Did you give them your IMEI? Also, is the phone you're using an AT&T phone? I had my data blocked while going through 6 different smartphones, in a mix of windows mobile and Android. But non of them were AT&T branded.
Edit. Just reread the OP. All my phones were international except my G2 which was T-Mobile branded. And try to work with them over live chat. It's what I used and it always worked.
My last device with AT&T was an LG Thrive ( P506 ). I had no issues using it with AT&T and no data plan. Bear in mind that the P506 is a bottom end Android device. I was on the $25 month prepaid package for well over a year. In fact, I switched to Simple Mobile, only about 4 months ago.
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My last device with AT&T was an LG Thrive ( P506 ). I had no issues using it with AT&T and no data plan. Bear in mind that the P506 is a bottom end Android device. I was on the $25 month prepaid package for well over a year. In fact, I switched to Simple Mobile, only about 4 months ago.
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Prepaid works differently in this type of situation
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Prepaid works differently in this type of situation
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That may be. OP asked for suggestions, thats what I gave. OP didnt specify prepaid or contract.
+1 for pre-paid. Gave my mom my old phone on a month to month contract. took them 4-5 months to actually detect her using the phone but they get pretty butt mad about it and start charging her some rediculous data plan.