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i got my vox a month ago and i love the design. probably the only smartphone design out there that looks as good as it does. But the problem i'm having with it is the performance level...i've had it lock up on me, sometimes it takes forever to load a simple task such as my text messages. I love the phone design to death, is there a phone that keeps this slick design but performs just as well? I know htc released a s730, but really? lol come on, its bigger, contains the same amount of ram, faster processor but still...
Or is it time i move to a pocket pc? do they perform better than smartphones? Or am i looking at this entirely from the wrong view, is it windows mobile thats causing this? is there away i could change the OS installed, maybe like the OS pocketpc's run? I'm not new to all this, but I would like some input and what everyones feeling, or if anyone is feeling the way I am. thanks again guys, looking forward to your responses
p.s. if you have any recommendations on devices i should look at, please let me know cause I might start looking for something new
i'm looking at the iphone, its recieved some good reviews, and it seems really responsive, anyone know if that is a good upgrade to my certain dilemma?
Really depends on whether or not you need to extra functionality that Windows Mobile provides. If you just play music (and don't use bluetooth A2DP headphones for that) and browse the web, IPhone is prob. the way to go.
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Really depends on whether or not you need to extra functionality that Windows Mobile provides. If you just play music (and don't use bluetooth A2DP headphones for that) and browse the web, IPhone is prob. the way to go.
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what extra functionality would u say windows mobile provides? right now, the only feature i use a lot is msn messenger. but smarphones in general are kind of sluggish, avg phoen holds about 64 mb of ram. running msn on my vox, that leavs me with about 18 mb free. not to mention if you try and do too much, the phone locks up.
Windows Mobile is gone. Windows Phone 7 and iPhone are locked up and suck, Android is Java VM, which sucks... The only thing I see in the near future that I will consider buying is this:
http://www.xpphone.com/en/
It'll definitely be hackable, run whatever software you could possibly want, and price estimates place it at around the same cost as some of our current smartphones. I hope more companies move this way.
Count me in, where can I buy it?
lol this is even worst.
*Battery will not last as long.
*UMPC's need very big screens to even work adequately.
This means if you want a PC phone, they'll barely even fit your pocket.
*Devices will not be as efficient as a real laptop.
It will be slower than a laptop or even a net book for that matter.
*If the phone is optimized to be a PC, then you're not going to have the efficiency of a smart phone. It's one or the other.
*This company will go out of business even if it the phone is high end.
I don't think UMPC corporations make a lot of money.
Unless this device can dual boot, it's trash w.r.t. being a phone. Imagine having to use a Windows Vista/XP/7 software in order to use the phone. It will be horrendous. It's trash if it can't boot into a standalone SMARTPHONE OS.
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lol this is even worst.
*Battery will not last as long.
*UMPC's need very big screens to even work adequately.
This means if you want a PC phone, they'll barely even fit your pocket.
*Devices will not be as efficient as a real laptop.
It will be slower than a laptop or even a net book for that matter.
*If the phone is optimized to be a PC, then you're not going to have the efficiency of a smart phone. It's one or the other.
*This company will go out of business even if it the phone is high end.
I don't think UMPC corporations make a lot of money.
Unless this device can dual boot, it's trash w.r.t. being a phone. Imagine having to use a Windows Vista/XP/7 software in order to use the phone. It will be horrendous. It's trash if it can't boot into a standalone SMARTPHONE OS.
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It says 5 hours talk/5 days standby battery, good enough for me. Reading the specs, its not much bigger than an iPhone, but thicker. A future version will probably improve on the size, but I'm satisfied with it given the feature set.
All it takes is a custom UI that allows easy phone use, but gives the option to exit and use Windows. My car pc works the same way, easy touch interface for while your driving, giving access to navigation, music, etc. Exit and return to windows when you need more. Obviously its going to be slower than a netbook, but you get windows in your pocket. Its going to be more than fast enough for web browsing, and gives you the full desktop web, which is still a challenge on smartphones.
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It says 5 hours talk/5 days standby battery, good enough for me. Reading the specs, its not much bigger than an iPhone, but thicker. A future version will probably improve on the size, but I'm satisfied with it given the feature set.
All it takes is a custom UI that allows easy phone use, but gives the option to exit and use Windows. My car pc works the same way, easy touch interface for while your driving, giving access to navigation, music, etc. Exit and return to windows when you need more. Obviously its going to be slower than a netbook, but you get windows in your pocket. Its going to be more than fast enough for web browsing, and gives you the full desktop web, which is still a challenge on smartphones.
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It needs to dualboot.
I like the "Tons of thousands of internet applications", obviously a grammar check isn't one...
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Windows Mobile is gone. Windows Phone 7 and iPhone are locked up and suck, Android is Java VM, which sucks... The only thing I see in the near future that I will consider buying is this:
http://www.xpphone.com/en/
It'll definitely be hackable, run whatever software you could possibly want, and price estimates place it at around the same cost as some of our current smartphones. I hope more companies move this way.
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How does Android suck?
I am coming from windows mobile 6.5 to the G1
and I am loving the Android OS
Eliphas said:
How does Android suck?
I am coming from windows mobile 6.5 to the G1
and I am loving the Android OS
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From a developer standpoint it sucks - no native apps, your stuck with java...
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what with this talk of dual core, quad core, it sounds bloody great on a spec sheet, but in reality do we really need a piece of kit that is powerful enough to squadron a fleet of f1 fighter jets automatically? "A piece of kit" of course being a smartphone.
Sure, there's use in it being able to play music, play video, take photos, and god-forbid be pretty decent at calls - something most smart phones seem to be forgetting lately - but what else? is it really of use to be able to connect to a tv to watch whatever via hdmi? is it really useful to be able to take stereoscopic photos? to be able to watch a blueray disc format at 60fps - when our eyes can detect no more than 30fps... then there's the apparent 11million colour limit of our eyes.
there's only so much you can do on a 4inch slab before usability issues kick in. and that inreality limits the max speed of a phone. anything else is superfluous.
sure geeks will buy the latest whatever smartphone simply because it's the latest one, but in reality it's no different to any other smartphone out there, just with a relatively small speed increase and higher price tag.
to me, it all sounds very much like flash websites. it all looks and sounds awesome, to someone who doesn't use it. but those annoying bleeps, animations and whatnot quickly add up to a useless website. is that the way smart phones are going? i'm sure 75% of users of smartphones these days don't use all the features.
yes technology can make super-small processors. but that doesn't mean it should immediately then shove it in a phone for no good reason. the age oif commercialism says otherwise though?
don't you agree?
no
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what with this talk of dual core, quad core, it sounds bloody great on a spec sheet, but in reality do we really need a piece of kit that is powerful enough to squadron a fleet of f1 fighter jets automatically? "A piece of kit" of course being a smartphone.
Sure, there's use in it being able to play music, play video, take photos, and god-forbid be pretty decent at calls - something most smart phones seem to be forgetting lately - but what else? is it really of use to be able to connect to a tv to watch whatever via hdmi? is it really useful to be able to take stereoscopic photos? to be able to watch a blueray disc format at 60fps - when our eyes can detect no more than 30fps... then there's the apparent 11million colour limit of our eyes.
there's only so much you can do on a 4inch slab before usability issues kick in. and that inreality limits the max speed of a phone. anything else is superfluous.
sure geeks will buy the latest whatever smartphone simply because it's the latest one, but in reality it's no different to any other smartphone out there, just with a relatively small speed increase and higher price tag.
to me, it all sounds very much like flash websites. it all looks and sounds awesome, to someone who doesn't use it. but those annoying bleeps, animations and whatnot quickly add up to a useless website. is that the way smart phones are going? i'm sure 75% of users of smartphones these days don't use all the features.
yes technology can make super-small processors. but that doesn't mean it should immediately then shove it in a phone for no good reason. the age oif commercialism says otherwise though?
don't you agree?
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Dude,the whole point of smartphones becoming more and more powerful is making us,the end users,able to use our full desktop's experience on the go.Maybe not everyone needs/uses all the functions of a modern smartphone,but it has to meet everyone's needs,right?What might be useless for you might be the most important for someone else.
So stop criticising,you won't achieve anything.We probably also don't need 50" TVs and 7.1 surround speekers,but we all love these things,right?
I in no way want to insult you or anyone else here,but just sayin'.
I use all the features of my desire from making calls, text, music, video, games, email, internet, downloading, photo's, alarm clock, watch, torch, the list goes on
It's like a Swiss army knife of technology
Well as you posted, there is no reason as to not have it. In having it we have no disadvantages, but there are possible advantages, so that's good. So if we can have more, why not?
ummmm have you watched anything science fiction like star trek tng? we want those tech... TODAY. that's the whole point.
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Well as you posted, there is no reason as to not have it. In having it we have no disadvantages, but there are possible advantages, so that's good. So if we can have more, why not?
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Exactly. If you don't see the reasoning behind it, don't bother upgrading to the latest and greatest thing. Technology in general is like this; personal computers powerful enough to run pretty much ant program out there.... laptops that are over 6 lbs and containing Max specs...
There is obviously a reason to do it, if you cant find one then don't get one.
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Ill be happy when I can do everything on my phone that I would do on a PC. Why else would I want a smart phone. Definitely not so I can tweet and FB. Thats allways been possible. I think we are a far way away from that. Also battery technology and power efficiency have a long way to go. I need more than 1day battery life
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It's really simple, OP. Carriers/Mfgrs still sell dumbphones for the general public who aren't ready to embrace that much power in the palm of their hand. Another REALLLYYY simple point, you're not forced to buy one.
Even if you don't want/need the latest and greatest, the constant improvements and advances in technology also serve to push prices further down and that benefits everyone.
i think when phones reach some capacity they won't be called phones anymore
dude, our phones will be able to teleport us to anywhere in the world ( standard rates apply of course ) just watch!
battery technology is holding them back i think, until there are some advances in that area i dont think we will see mind-blowingly powerful phones
I've felt that for a while but I'm not so sure now - advances in battery technology could be superseded by improvements (ie reductions) in CPU power usage/requirements.
With each new generation of CPUs/SoCs, the manufacturers not only increase processing capabilities but also improve efficiency, meaning that you can get processing grunt from less battery usage.
That could, potentially, render drastic improvements in battery technology less of a priority than they are/should be.
Of course, we'd all love something like a micro fuel-cell or a super-capacitor or whatever and have phones that last for a week of extremely heavy usage but most people would and probably will have to settle for their next iPhone/Android handset being more powerful and having the same battery life as their existing phone.
I'm waiting for the phones they implant in our heads
Ever since ~September of 2012 when Windows 8 was released and I tried it for the first time, I have been giving this idea a lot of thought. Mobile devices are becoming so powerful and more and more people are ditching their computer for an iPad / other tabet, which is almost equally as powerful as their old computer. Take the newly announced Tegra 4 APU. It has 72 freaking graphics cores!!!!! I run a laptop with a Geforce 555M that has 96 cuda cores, and I use that for intensive gaming. That is insane! What would ANYONE need 72 graphics cores on a mobile device for? The most graphically intensive android game I can think of off the top of my head is NOVA 3, and honestly, does that need a quad core processor, 72 graphics cores, and (probably becoming standard). 2GB of ram? NO! So why do companies pack those rediculous specs into a phone/tablet for? Does anyone else remember the days of a 1GHz single core Athlon processor on a desktop, and that was considered the best? Now dont get me wrong, I'm not saying we should throttle mobile devices just for the sake of throttling them, but I am trying to get my point across that there is no reason for those kinds of specs to be packed into a device that was originally intended to make calls.
I'm not ranting/raving or anything. Sorry if it comes across that way. I'm just curious to see if anyone is still out there that isn't converting to an average consumer who just cares how many gpu/cpu cores and how much ram they can get into a 4" cell phone.
My dad was never big into computers. Now that he has a smartphone, he says he hardly ever uses his desktop. So, for a lot of people, I think that their mobile devices can perform and replace the functions of a "for pleasure" desktop. Obviously, this is not going to cut it for the kind of gamer who cares about overclocking and liquid cooling - there's just more freedom with a custom desktop build, but I'm sure they'll appreciate mobile gaming, too - I know I do.
A phone might be a little small for web-browsing, but not everyone is big into that. Apps for e-mail, Facebook, eBay - those cover a lot of "normal" use.
And a 10" tablet is a good size to enjoy full web-browsing. For me, personally, it's not entirely the same, but it's close enough for most of my uses. I still prefer the desktop for some things, but I can do them without much trouble on the tablet, too. For me, a tablet with keyboard has taken the place of a laptop - I still like having a desktop for movies, games, and backup - but a tablet covers all the things I needed a laptop for. I think a lot of people can find that is true, who don't use their laptops for much "heavy lifting" - they'll find that a tablet is smaller, lighter, and does a lot of things very well.
With the lowering price of tablets, I do think that they will be able to take a good part of the consumer market that will find they don't need a laptop or even desktop (and we know that desktops have already been on the way out for the average consumer).
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The GTX 680M (Nvidia Kepler card for laptops) is running on 1184 or so CUDA-cores.
The high end desktop Keplers I can't recall, but it's safe to say that the less than hundred cores in the Tegra 4 SoC really only tells you one thing:
Mobile units just cannot -at least for a very long time- replace stationary electronics.
I don't remember the clock speed of the Tegra cores, but the Kepler cards run at over 1GHz.
When materials allow power supply, battery lifetime and passive cooling comparable to what is available to a stationary unit, then mobile units will replace them.
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I think that there will always be a need for desktop computers, at least in the foreseeable future. Mobile devices are good and quite convenient for media consumption, but try doing any kind of serious work on one. Electronics will continue to become more and more miniaturized, and it's possible that one day desktops will simply be a thing of the past, but we still have a long way to go.
(Here's hoping that we see holography in our lifetimes!)
Holography already exists, and not just the fake kind, Google it
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I think that there will always be a need for desktop computers, at least in the foreseeable future. Mobile devices are good and quite convenient for media consumption, but try doing any kind of serious work on one. Electronics will continue to become more and more miniaturized, and it's possible that one day desktops will simply be a thing of the past, but we still have a long way to go.
(Here's hoping that we see holography in our lifetimes!)
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I think it depends on the consumer. Most consumers are ditching desktops for laptops. The laptops in some cases function just like a desktop would, almost always at home and plugged in - but people are staying away from machines that aren't portable more than ever.
Desktops are certainly still needed for heavy lifting - gaming and many work applications. But for a person who's not in a tech field, a laptop can do all the word-processing one could need as well as email and simple company applications. People who use computers as an accessory tool, not a primary one, don't need a desktop since a laptop can provide the same power they'd have gotten in a bigger, immobile box. And this way they can work from the couch or kitchen table.
Tablets aren't going to take over things like word-processing, although I can see farther in the future the modular concept expanded upon (I use my ASUD Transformer for word-processing quite often).
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I held off of getting s smartphone for a long time, because I never could see any decent reason to have one. Finally, considering it would be convenient for playing music on the go, I ended up getting one. I've had one for a year, and it still doesn't feel worthwhile. Granted sometimes it can be nice to use a terrible version of a web-browser without having to have a computer around, but that hardly makes it worthwhile.
When I finally did get one, refusing to get an apple product I went with Android, and haven't been too impressed with it. Can't even change the volume steps, not even custom roms touch that, making it really useless as a music player (and people told me Android is supposed to be customizable). Wanting to make it worthwhile, I asked all my friends what cool apps there are, and consistently got the reply that there really isn't any. I've scoured the Google Play Store and Fdroid countless times with the same result.
I end up with the vast majority of my apps being stuff for my phone like Nova Launcher, Kernel Adiutor, Better Battery Stats, etc, etc. Those help make the phone usable, not worthwhile. I've only found one game ever that I enjoyed playing on a mobile device, which was Quizup (before they ruined it, now there's really nothing). Is there anything entertaining? Is there anything more interesting than a graphic calculator emulator? Is there anything more useful than a flashlight? Or is a smartphone as useless as I had always envisioned it to be? Just a tinker-toy for tech enthusiasts. Is it just a phone with a few interesting but not useful things and garbage battery life in return (despite doing everything in my power to maximize my battery life and put others with the same phone to shame)? I'd prefer the much more massive battery life and better voice quality of my ancient Nokia phone. I don't want to give up on it, but I need help keeping up hope. Even Tasker is sitting around not doing anything particularly useful. At least it can make phone calls unlike a useless Android tablet. Someone please help me make it worthwhile.
Hey, what was that movie with that one guy that was in that other movie with that chick from that TV show?
How far is a league?
Why is a booby trap called a booby trap?
Where the hell am I and how do I get to where I need to go?
Boy, I wish I could hear "Handle With Care" by the Traveling Wilburys right now. I haven't heard that song in ages.
A phone is something you make calls with. A smartphone is the wealth of the world's knowledge at your fingertips.
The problem with that is that a smartphone is a cumbersome device for giving input and getting output. Even with getting as good of a tiny touchscreen keyboard as you can get (which is still bad compared to a real keyboard) and voice input (which is usually even worse in my experience with several Android solutions as well as Apple's), you still have super buggy difficult to navigate watered-down info on a tiny screen that takes more scrolling than the miles of it I've put on my mouse.
I'm never too far from a computer that I've ever had to use or would have liked to use a smartphone to get that information. I've had the world's information at my fingertips, but why would I want to use a smartphone to get it? I've tried using it for convenience, I've tried using it to augment using a computer, but I've quit trying. Maybe it would be useful if I forgot to plan things ahead of time, or forgot to bring a camera or something. But I'm looking for a way for it to be consistently useful, not something that might come in handy one day and cost me hours of charging every day. I'm still not seeing it.