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Just a quick idea. Would it be possible for a sticky thread controlled by the mods, or their assigned surrogates that would keep a list of the roms that would ease comparisons between them? Possibly with a spreadsheet-like file that would contain version formats, features, etc side by side. As developers create new roms or change existing ones, they could pm those in charge who could make changes to the thread. Discussions would be held elsewhere, this would be fact-based only. Just a thought. I am happy to donate my time to the cause.
There are periodic posts that come along with polls of the latest rom, but the problem is that roms are frequently coming out...I understand that this would be a nice feature, because if you disappear from the forums for even a month you are lost with what has happened since then...if anything I just look at the posts and weigh the comments to see if the rom is good or not...lol there are also stars by a post that hint at its performance...anyways good luck with your request...
As Swype is only available as a limited closed beta or as part of an OEM android build, please do no post any links to the swype apk files.
I'm the beta community relations rep for Swype (Brian Resnik, if you're over on the Swype forums).
First of all, yes we're watching you HAHA. I'm obligated to wag my finger at you all for distributing our software without a license. A little patience will go a long way. Trust me, the more the brass hears about people illegally copying Swype and feeling entitled to a free version (yes, we know there's no copy on the market for you to buy, but you have to respect that OEM distribution is our chosen business model), the less they want to support a beta program at all. The better we play nice with eachother, the sooner more people get into the beta!
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You see, we all play nice together and good things happen! Hurray!
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/15/wa...it-tomorrow-for-android-phones/#idc-container
lol, I'll re-instate the deleted threads after the public beta is out tomorrow. Great find.
Yes people, stop distributing the beta swype. If you didnt get to sign up then its your lose. By the way I got my invitation today
in all reality lets respect what the swype developers want.
Whew. Glad I got my Beta Key early. >:3
Just go to beta.swype.com and register. When we open the gates again, you'll be first to know and install.
Sounds awesome, but I'll believe it when I see it.
That's why I follow this forum, and a several Android™ blogs.
It was through them, that I found out about the Beta program.
I also received my Swype Beta app
If you didn't get an invite but you registered, go to the beta website, login and ask them to resend your invitation. Worked for me.
Got an invitation as well, it's soo good. Wish it had the look of the stock keyboard though. I like the consistency across the UI and apps.
I got my invitation today, too I love swype!
but how are those of us who are part of the beta supposed to get themed versions. you guys need to hurry up and make it skin-able. Also, even if you did kill the beta program... we would still get it. We always do.
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As Swype is only available as a limited closed beta or as part of an OEM android build, please do no post any links to the swype apk files.
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A thing we also do over at www.droidforums.net deleting all Links and issuing infractions for those who cant adapt to the rules.
Remember folks, taking someones CLOSED BETA is stealing /warez...
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You see, we all play nice together and good things happen! Hurray!
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/15/wa...it-tomorrow-for-android-phones/#idc-container
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and the open beta will be again:
- time limited 90 days?
- only 3 languages?
I am from Austria and i got my invitation for English, Spanish and Italian too today.. funny...
Would be great to see the official multilanguage version tomorrow (+ the option to buy it LOOOOL... funny joke )
I know you hate me anyway.
Swype has updated their page with the new beta instructions. It appears at this point to be a limited public beta, as it will only be available for a couple of days, and requires you to enter your email address to get the download.
So threads with download links will still not be allowed.
Get the info here; http://beta.swype.com/
What version is being pushed for the public beta?
I'll tell you as soon as it actually lets me download it. The site is laggy as hell and it has failed installing/activating several times now.
Most likely due to high volumes of people trying to install it.
I'd almost rather just wait and install it the less-than-legal way.
I stand corrected. Glad they opened the beta.
see this is an honorable request and all... but it's kinda annoying when your site is down and lagged as hell due to volumes of requests. at least place the files somewhere else.
think of linux distros. why do they resort to p2p downloading too? hmmm. maybe its something small sites should look into when they don't have bandwidth to begin with....
Was anyone able to download it on Froyo 2.2 for N1?????
I keep getting "You're not using an Android phone" web page.
Yes I made sure my browser was in Android mode.
Important: The docs are up. The live copy can be found on http://docs.insertcoin-roms.org/ and the Git repository on https://github.com/Manko10/InsertCoin-Docs/. For information on how to participate, see the wiki.
Hi,
This thread is related to the InsertCoin ROM by baadnewz (see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198684). Since I haven't written 10 postings yet, I can't post to that thread nor create a new one in that forum.
InsertCoin has become a quite popular ROM for the HTC Sensation. It has had 200,000 downloads yet and numbers still raise. With increasing popularity it becomes more and more difficult to get hold of information you need concerning installation, problems, modification, tweaking etc. The result is a very high number of redundant questions on the forums and confused newcomers.
The project
Thus being said, it is time to create a good and centralized knowledgebase which helps new users to dive straight into using InsertCoin, keeps the development thread cleaner and helps to push the project forward since energy can be focused more on implementing new features and fixing bugs than on answering the same questions all over again.
baadnewz attempted to launch a Wiki once, but it ceased and shut down (as well as the whole baadnewz.eu server which was the last more or less valuable resource for help outside XDA-Developers.com).
Now my idea is to create a new official InsertCoin documentation project. I talked to baadnewz and he assured it would be promoted and integrated into the official website once it comes to life. The project I'm heading for is a community-driven one. I would work for it as much as I can but I can't do it alone. I'm not experienced enough in many (especially technical areas) of InsertCoin development and Android development in general. There are many things to learn about InsertCoin. And to be honest: I also don't have the time to write all the stuff by myself. Once I had written everything, it would already be outdated. So this project is only possible if other people participate actively.
How shall the documentation be implemented?
I thought of a project hosted on GitHub. Users can fork the project, make changes and send pull requests. For infrequent submissions, we could also provide a special submission form.
A staging server would then pull the HEAD revision regularly, format it and publish it as a website.
Sounds complicated? But it isn't. Git is pretty much straightforward and also users without technical knowledge can learn it very quickly (yes, there are great graphical tools for it). And of course, the documentation would also include a noob-proof guide to contribution.
But why Git? Why not a Wiki?
A Wiki might seem to be easier, but in fact a Wiki has to be updated regularly. Patches for bugs and security holes have to be applied. Additionally, we had to fight spam. Especially when we use some well known software such as MediaWiki, spam bots would love it. That can be a lot of work.
But the main reason is portability. A Wiki is a Wiki, nothing more. Exporting the contents into other formats would be a tedious process. However, when using plain text files with a simple markup language such as Markdown, they can be exported to all formats we like. Not only can the staging server parse it to HTML, but it can also be exported to PDF, CHM files (does anybody still use these?) and many more formats.
All right, but what is to be documented?
Well, a lot. Things I have though of are
Installation
Where to get InsertCoin ROM?
Which version?
How to flash InsertCoin?
How to upgrade from previous versions?
To wipe or not to wipe (and when)?
Kernels
Which Kernels are there?
Where to get them?
What are the differences?
Advantages/disadvantages of specific Kernels
How to install a new Kernel/revert to stock?
What is a Kernel and why can't I install it via the Market? (dumb question, yes, but important to know)
Known problems
Any reported bugs still present in version X?
How do I report my own bugs?
Why does feature Y not work (and never will)?
Features
Why to choose InsertCoin?
How to submit feature requests?
Requirements
What do I need to run InsertCoin?
Which baseband version do I need?
Where do I get a new baseband version and which one to choose?
Does it work on device X, too?
Which is the oldest supported version for custom kernels?
Add-ons
Which add-ons are there?
Where to get them?
How to flash them?
What to be aware of?
How to get rid of malfunctioning add-ons?
Customization
Which themes are there?
How do I install them?
How do I revert back to the default theme?
How to set up custom boot splash and boot animation?
FAQ
Things users ask all the time
Things users might ask regularly in the future
Milestones
Any planned features for future releases?
How many ROMs to release tomorrow?
Participation
How to submit patches?
How to improve the documentation?
How to pay a round for baad?
General information
What else could be valuable information?
How do I backup and restore my data most efficiently and least time consuming for upgrades which force a full wipe?
etc.
The list goes on. It's up to us how much it'll grow. Make suggestions please. Don't hesitate!
And now you come into play!
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
If I get enough positive feedback and support by people who want to contribute I will start working on the base system, set up the Git repository, write the staging software and launch the project. If not, it would have been at least worth the effort. But you would contribute and give something back to the community, wouldn't you? Sure, indeed...! ;-)
Cheers
Manko10
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
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of course it'll succeed cause it'll be much easier with plain updated steps (n00b proof )
I would like to contribute if u may allow
THIS IS AWESOME
Of course you can contribute. Everyone is pretty much welcome to do that.
For Baad and InsertCoin itself, I think it would be a perfect success. I myself have been looking for a central resource database for InsertCoin, but always resort to just searching the thread, which is not exactly the most efficient method.
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer, so I'm sure I'd be able to help in the deployment of such a website. I also happen to have a vBulletin license I'm not using. If Baad wants to expand his ideas even further and have a sort of official InsertCoin forum, all to himself, I could most definitely lend a hand for that.
I'm thinking large scale here; and upon writing this, further ideas have just popped into my head, but I'll save that for later, but hey, Baad is largely-awesome.
If you happen to have an MSN or Skype, Manko, I'd love to talk to you further
i have a better idea for talking / chatting in a more centralized way: IRC
#baadnwz-roms on freenode
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer
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So am I.
I'm quite sure, baad will help us as good as he can but he is of course very busy with the ROMS. So it's better to have many guys in the project who know more about the technical stuff.
I would try to help too, if You like. If You don't need IC pro's only
We need everyone (IC pros are needed, but not only).
First of all we need people who have fun writing and maintaining (!) good and understandable documentation.
Guys
if you do this - it will be bloody FANTASTIC!
noobproof guide needed badly
Make it so. Sounds like it could become a great resource.
It will, but only if enough people participate.
why not add chatbox on the coming site, isnt much better? 24/7 we can have conversation as like me, am from the philippines, and my time is different to others
Well, the documentation would also be there 24/7. I think for live talking we should better use IRC (#baadnwz-roms on irc.freenode.net). Embedded chats on websites consume a lot of bandwidth.
lol!, i guess so, yeah, maybe irc is much better. anyways, maybe i can contribute some design for future use.
Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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yes once the project starts, desire will be there too
for wf i made 2 roms long time ago, and then i sold the phone
Ill contribute if i can I love this rom
wow... this sounds freaking awsome. i would most definately help with coding once the repositories are set up ^_^
I think it would be really beneficial for everyone especially for the folks who are new to the ROM. 600+ pages of comments are a LOT to read through!
Make it so. (with Jean Luc Picard's Voice ) Nice idea.
Would like to contribute sth, though I have a really tight schedule lately...
I saw in the development thread that a bootloader unlock tool is available, which is great news.
But besides the "thanks" "awesome" and "doesn't work" wouldn't it be usefull to share the full experience?
For example: I noticed that there are initiatives to install CM9 after unlocking it.
- how well does CM9 (or any other for that matter) work with the TF300T?
- the stock TF300T showed trembling/shaking of certain UI elements, are those absent with CM9 (or any other)
- can apps still be purchased through Google Play?
- hickups with WIFI, bluetooth, etc?
- etc
(Although I might be showing some occupational disability when asking for all this info )
Cheers!
The unlock tool was just released yesterday. No ROMs are available yet. You have to give the devs some time to port CM9 and whatever other ROMs. So just sit tight and watch the dev section. When the CM9 port is ready, it'll be there.
Many ROMs in early stages will have bugs as well, since the dev can't test every app and every scenario with their device. The community helps out quite a bit by flashing and seeing for themselves, then reporting. However, the dev will usually tell you of known bugs if there are any.
Give it some time and you will see some cool things in the development section.
First off, this is meant to be constructive criticism; I use Synergy ROM and look forward to flashing nightlies. My only issue is with the changelog. I'm sure many others would agree that the lack of any detail for each commit/build is a real turn off. This forum is for power users, and while a few words describing changes may suffice for some persons, detailed technical descriptions for each change would only serve to benefit this ROM's reputation and rate of adoption. It's simply good development practice to use detailed comments.
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First off, this is meant to be constructive criticism; I use Synergy ROM and look forward to flashing nightlies. My only issue is with the changelog. I'm sure many others would agree that the lack of any detail for each commit/build is a real turn off. This forum is for power users, and while a few words describing changes may suffice for some persons, detailed technical descriptions for each change would only serve to benefit this ROM's reputation and rate of adoption. It's simply good development practice to use detailed comments.
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Well, first, these guys are doing this in their off time and are busy with the actual developing of their ROM....Second the CM10 changelog isn't much more detailed at all... granted they provide the code that's been changed but that doesn't do much for the every day flasher, only for other developers. It's nothing new is all Im getting too
I would say most if not all the commits shown are pretty detailed or detailed enough to be understood. Some of them are just minor little tweaks that would thrown into the category of "Speed improvements/tweaks" or "Tons more tweaks and enhancements" but with the change log you get to see what exactly is being added and when its added. That's a lot more than other roms give you.
they vary
I would agree with everyone in this thread so far
Some of the updates have been vague or couched in terms that many wouldn't understand. The developers are doing this on their own time and as a hobby (though they do get some donations - not really a commercial enterprise though). Most of the update descriptions are enough to get the message across and are certainly more than some developers give. Even the apps in Google Play have some vague "What's new" lines at times (if any).
That said, I think Eschelon has improved a bit, or at least is a bit more conscious of the need for clearer update info at times. The one that really stood out for me was "Revision 60: Volume hack" which raised a bunch of questions on the Synergy thread. With R68 that hack was removed as it caused some problems. With that update there was a clearer note "Revision 68: Remove 10 step volume hack".
I think that without writing a paragraph describing the feature as existed, the changes, and the resulting functionality, you will never satisfy everyone. Most people running the ROM are knowledgeable enough to get the meaning of short notes. The new users probably won't, but then it might be a good learning experience for them.
The only thing that might really help is starting a Synergy thread in the FAQ section (if there isn't one already) and pointing new users there to ask their questions (as users with less than 10 posts can't post to the Synergy ROM thread directly).
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First off, this is meant to be constructive criticism; I use Synergy ROM and look forward to flashing nightlies. My only issue is with the changelog. I'm sure many others would agree that the lack of any detail for each commit/build is a real turn off. This forum is for power users, and while a few words describing changes may suffice for some persons, detailed technical descriptions for each change would only serve to benefit this ROM's reputation and rate of adoption. It's simply good development practice to use detailed comments.
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I think that synergy's changelog gives you much better info than most. There are details and there are too many details. Giving technical descriptions of changes opens the door for every person to start picking apart each and every change.
I think the amount of detail in synergy's changelog is spot-on.
While the changelog can be vague, it seems like most of the unclear commits end up getting discussed in the thread anyway. Making the commits a full sentence or so would nice, but it's pretty low on my wishlist, personally. On a side note, this discussion would probably be more appropriately held in the ROM thread itself.
I've tested most things that i use day to day without any issues.
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I've tested most things that i use day to day without any issues.
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Overall I think the info given is acceptable, what I do not like is that I am flashing so many different things that I can forget what build I was on or liked. The "latest build here" link does just as it says (which inherently should be a good thing), but only lists the most current build for download unlike CM that has all recent builds there with description options on the same page. I actually downloaded and flashed r68 twice thinking I was adding the next nightly!
Also on a similar note, what is the smaller zip file that is posted under the larger most current build? Is that a flashable add on that has the most recent changes in a smaller file form? Unclear on that.
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Overall I think the info given is acceptable, what I do not like is that I am flashing so many different things that I can forget what build I was on or liked. The "latest build here" link does just as it says (which inherently should be a good thing), but only lists the most current build for download unlike CM that has all recent builds there with description options on the same page. I actually downloaded and flashed r68 twice thinking I was adding the next nightly!
Also on a similar note, what is the smaller zip file that is posted under the larger most current build? Is that a flashable add on that has the most recent changes in a smaller file form? Unclear on that.
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You can click the "Old" link on the download page for the latest nightly and you will get a listing of all the nightly builds. The smaller zip is a MD5 key which the TWRP recovery uses to verify the ROM file to make sure it downloaded properly before flashing it to your phone.
Thanks for the info, as I have only used CWM and have not run into that before in my use. I really got to read up on TWRP and play around with it, from what I have read it seams like an overall better recovery with more options and UI.
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Thanks for the info, as I have only used CWM and have not run into that before in my use. I really got to read up on TWRP and play around with it, from what I have read it seams like an overall better recovery with more options and UI.
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I really like TWRP over CWM, especially for the MD5 feature. I use this most when I download the ROM's directly from my phone. I don't really trust the phone's browser to download the file correctly every time (have had halting issues in the past).