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Hi,
This thread is related to the InsertCoin ROM by baadnewz (see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198684). Since I haven't written 10 postings yet, I can't post to that thread nor create a new one in that forum.
InsertCoin has become a quite popular ROM for the HTC Sensation. It has had 200,000 downloads yet and numbers still raise. With increasing popularity it becomes more and more difficult to get hold of information you need concerning installation, problems, modification, tweaking etc. The result is a very high number of redundant questions on the forums and confused newcomers.
The project
Thus being said, it is time to create a good and centralized knowledgebase which helps new users to dive straight into using InsertCoin, keeps the development thread cleaner and helps to push the project forward since energy can be focused more on implementing new features and fixing bugs than on answering the same questions all over again.
baadnewz attempted to launch a Wiki once, but it ceased and shut down (as well as the whole baadnewz.eu server which was the last more or less valuable resource for help outside XDA-Developers.com).
Now my idea is to create a new official InsertCoin documentation project. I talked to baadnewz and he assured it would be promoted and integrated into the official website once it comes to life. The project I'm heading for is a community-driven one. I would work for it as much as I can but I can't do it alone. I'm not experienced enough in many (especially technical areas) of InsertCoin development and Android development in general. There are many things to learn about InsertCoin. And to be honest: I also don't have the time to write all the stuff by myself. Once I had written everything, it would already be outdated. So this project is only possible if other people participate actively.
How shall the documentation be implemented?
I thought of a project hosted on GitHub. Users can fork the project, make changes and send pull requests. For infrequent submissions, we could also provide a special submission form.
A staging server would then pull the HEAD revision regularly, format it and publish it as a website.
Sounds complicated? But it isn't. Git is pretty much straightforward and also users without technical knowledge can learn it very quickly (yes, there are great graphical tools for it). And of course, the documentation would also include a noob-proof guide to contribution.
But why Git? Why not a Wiki?
A Wiki might seem to be easier, but in fact a Wiki has to be updated regularly. Patches for bugs and security holes have to be applied. Additionally, we had to fight spam. Especially when we use some well known software such as MediaWiki, spam bots would love it. That can be a lot of work.
But the main reason is portability. A Wiki is a Wiki, nothing more. Exporting the contents into other formats would be a tedious process. However, when using plain text files with a simple markup language such as Markdown, they can be exported to all formats we like. Not only can the staging server parse it to HTML, but it can also be exported to PDF, CHM files (does anybody still use these?) and many more formats.
All right, but what is to be documented?
Well, a lot. Things I have though of are
Installation
Where to get InsertCoin ROM?
Which version?
How to flash InsertCoin?
How to upgrade from previous versions?
To wipe or not to wipe (and when)?
Kernels
Which Kernels are there?
Where to get them?
What are the differences?
Advantages/disadvantages of specific Kernels
How to install a new Kernel/revert to stock?
What is a Kernel and why can't I install it via the Market? (dumb question, yes, but important to know)
Known problems
Any reported bugs still present in version X?
How do I report my own bugs?
Why does feature Y not work (and never will)?
Features
Why to choose InsertCoin?
How to submit feature requests?
Requirements
What do I need to run InsertCoin?
Which baseband version do I need?
Where do I get a new baseband version and which one to choose?
Does it work on device X, too?
Which is the oldest supported version for custom kernels?
Add-ons
Which add-ons are there?
Where to get them?
How to flash them?
What to be aware of?
How to get rid of malfunctioning add-ons?
Customization
Which themes are there?
How do I install them?
How do I revert back to the default theme?
How to set up custom boot splash and boot animation?
FAQ
Things users ask all the time
Things users might ask regularly in the future
Milestones
Any planned features for future releases?
How many ROMs to release tomorrow?
Participation
How to submit patches?
How to improve the documentation?
How to pay a round for baad?
General information
What else could be valuable information?
How do I backup and restore my data most efficiently and least time consuming for upgrades which force a full wipe?
etc.
The list goes on. It's up to us how much it'll grow. Make suggestions please. Don't hesitate!
And now you come into play!
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
If I get enough positive feedback and support by people who want to contribute I will start working on the base system, set up the Git repository, write the staging software and launch the project. If not, it would have been at least worth the effort. But you would contribute and give something back to the community, wouldn't you? Sure, indeed...! ;-)
Cheers
Manko10
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
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of course it'll succeed cause it'll be much easier with plain updated steps (n00b proof )
I would like to contribute if u may allow
THIS IS AWESOME
Of course you can contribute. Everyone is pretty much welcome to do that.
For Baad and InsertCoin itself, I think it would be a perfect success. I myself have been looking for a central resource database for InsertCoin, but always resort to just searching the thread, which is not exactly the most efficient method.
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer, so I'm sure I'd be able to help in the deployment of such a website. I also happen to have a vBulletin license I'm not using. If Baad wants to expand his ideas even further and have a sort of official InsertCoin forum, all to himself, I could most definitely lend a hand for that.
I'm thinking large scale here; and upon writing this, further ideas have just popped into my head, but I'll save that for later, but hey, Baad is largely-awesome.
If you happen to have an MSN or Skype, Manko, I'd love to talk to you further
i have a better idea for talking / chatting in a more centralized way: IRC
#baadnwz-roms on freenode
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer
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So am I.
I'm quite sure, baad will help us as good as he can but he is of course very busy with the ROMS. So it's better to have many guys in the project who know more about the technical stuff.
I would try to help too, if You like. If You don't need IC pro's only
We need everyone (IC pros are needed, but not only).
First of all we need people who have fun writing and maintaining (!) good and understandable documentation.
Guys
if you do this - it will be bloody FANTASTIC!
noobproof guide needed badly
Make it so. Sounds like it could become a great resource.
It will, but only if enough people participate.
why not add chatbox on the coming site, isnt much better? 24/7 we can have conversation as like me, am from the philippines, and my time is different to others
Well, the documentation would also be there 24/7. I think for live talking we should better use IRC (#baadnwz-roms on irc.freenode.net). Embedded chats on websites consume a lot of bandwidth.
lol!, i guess so, yeah, maybe irc is much better. anyways, maybe i can contribute some design for future use.
Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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yes once the project starts, desire will be there too
for wf i made 2 roms long time ago, and then i sold the phone
Ill contribute if i can I love this rom
wow... this sounds freaking awsome. i would most definately help with coding once the repositories are set up ^_^
I think it would be really beneficial for everyone especially for the folks who are new to the ROM. 600+ pages of comments are a LOT to read through!
Make it so. (with Jean Luc Picard's Voice ) Nice idea.
Would like to contribute sth, though I have a really tight schedule lately...
Almost 1 month of waiting searching & then still left waiting for a stable & fully featured rom I am wondering whats the use of having 10 developers making 10 different roms none is bug free, some or the other features remain buggy or not working in them.
Cant the developers work together to develop 1 super stable, bug free & fully featured rom for our i9003?
Take a poll & lets give some direction to rom development, the purpose of this post is to have some kind of feedback as to what the i9003 users base wants the most, in no way developers are bounded by this community demand but this poll result should give the developers some sense of direction regarding rom development.
I have a long list of features, some are innovative ideas how a phone should be & needs a developer to implement the ideas.
Choose the following one to vote
I prefer different developers develop different roms even if it remain buggy or some features are not working.
or
I want super featured, super stable rom hence developer should work together to root out bugs then we can have various version of this rom.
Disclaimer:
In no way I am putting down the hard work done by all the developers who have done good job with themes, tweaks, mods, custom roms & other customization for i9003 giving precious time for the community development.
stable & fully featured rom
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Hello,what features are not working??
hey man, i think the developers are giving their best at what they are doing. i know a collective effort gets above all but sounds a bit harsh when u put it so bluntly. and coming to stability and features if u expect a rom which can compete with MIUI u have to wait.. the developers here are good and most of the roms they gave us have only minor issues like force closes and all. i too am waiting for a ROM as good as MIUI supported by cyanogen mod. have some patience and trust them..
sakindia123 said:
Hello,what features are not working??
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1. 2 way phone Call recording with auto gain in .amr & .mp3 format
2. USB OTG
3. Dialer in landscape mode (krazy did a mod but later did not include it in rom)
4. Retrying busy number automatically should give a audio tone when the call finally connects.
5. Missed call sound notification with ability to to switch off.
6. dialer should have option opening as default keypad/logs/favorites screen (user selectable)
7 dialer Voice mail facility so the phone can record the message on the sd card itself.
Others can add more to the feature list, as the list grows more Devs can look in to the requirements.
Since I work in large team environment I am very much used to get the work done by different people for a large project each specializing in particular field. I live my life with a phone hence cant test multiple roms, if something goes wrong while flashing or features not working I would loose a lot of time & my work will suffer.
variety is always good. Devs do not have obligations to make roms. let's give them freedom to do whatever they want with the roms they create.
Nevertheless, a good poll question would be which is the best froyo and gb rom.
I guess sgsl is talking about the GPS and push notifications bug.
It has to do with the base ROM i.e. XXKPH. Otherwise all are putting in a splendid effort.
Seeing the positive side we get 10 different flavours of the same ROM.
And the ROM's are getting better by the day.
I can understand where you're coming from as I have been researching on the ROMs for a while now so that I can flash them (I'm still on DDKF1 though ).
All in All Kudos to all dev's out here.
I think Devs should work together to make super stable rom
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1. 2 way phone Call recording,
2. USB OTG
3. Dialer in landscape mode (krazy did a mod but later did not include it in rom)
4. Retrying busy number automatically should give a audio tone when the call finally connects.
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People are trying to get the mentioned features working but it'll take some time i guess. If all work on one thing then we won't get anything to play with until that thing is developed/solved.
Since I work in large team environment I am very much used to get the work done by different people for a large project each specializing in particular field. I live my life with a phone hence cant test multiple roms, if something goes wrong while flashing or features not working I would loose a lot of time & my work will suffer.
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Same thing applies to me and almost all guys out here.
But the ROM's that are offered are more or less pretty stable now in the sense all basic features work 100%.
@ sgsl
if you want dialertab landscape mod for gb then soon i will again port it
Also i feel dev's can work together to solve issues (USB OTG, Call recording etc) and not build a complete ROM altogether.
@SGSL can you add the option of "dev's should work together for solving issues"
@ybyb
gps is working on all roms!
Developers should be allowed to do what they want. If they want to make their own ROM, let them. If they want to work together, let them. They're not your staff.
I know it's just an idea - so please don't take this as an attack.
@sakindia
Have been reading the feedbacks and it isn't working for all.
Maybe then it's my interpretation.
kartiksrireddy said:
i think the developers are giving their best at what they are doing.
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I humbly disagree, devs are "presuming" that they are doing best but still not able to solve teh problems or either conclude that if certain features can be done or not.
sounds a bit harsh when u put it so bluntly.
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Extremely sorry if this sound so hard but in no way I am disrespecting the excellent work done by many developers, I put the disclaimer in red in 1st post for the very reason.
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Developers should be allowed to do what they want. If they want to make their own ROM, let them. If they want to work together, let them. They're not your staff.
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No body wants to curtail their freedom indeed they are free to agree to work together or alone, its their wish, but if more i9003 users vote that they want a super stable rom which is fully customized & devs should work in a team to achieve that then its upto the developers to look into this community requirement. Even then they are free to ignore this requirement, its their wish.
bluet0ps said:
variety is always good. Devs do not have obligations to make roms. let's give them freedom to do whatever they want with the roms they create.
Nevertheless, a good poll question would be which is the best froyo and gb rom.
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How about having a super stable rom with 10 different flavors (all stable & fully featured) since different people use phone differently for different uses?
As for GB or froyo I leave it to the developers to have the agreement on it, GB as of now is not officially launched in stable form for i9003.
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@ sgsl
if you want dialertab landscape mod for gb then soon i will again port it
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Thanks krazy , yes I would love to have it integrated in roms, I have many more ideas for rom developers to add useful features so the smartphone can be used even by disabled people too. One such feature would be audio sound of numbers when they press the dialer button.
Many blind people will bless you for this feature.
Buddy i agree with ur point. So when amit will release CM7 then automatically all developers will get attract to it & will try to solve problems related to it.
But for now let the dev do their work. Already we have cranium as best rom with almost everything is working in it so other developer can can take help of it.
The features u are demanding needs to implemented with great hard work. Some features are related to kernal & we all know that we have very few kernal developers.
Our progress is slow but definitely in right direction. Just keep some patience. I think CM7 will complete everyone's expectation.
You know: 9 women can't give birth to a child for a month. IE if all our developers will work together I don't think they will create the ROM better. Because we (they) have some tricks to improve some features of ROM. When somebody found this he posts this know how to the forum and all other can apply this trick to their ROM.
But they don't create ROM from scratch. They use somebody's ROM or stock ROM and apply some tricks/applications. Also they apply some themes inside.
And this is good that we have different ROMs with different tricks/themes/applications. Some users like one set, other users like other set. and this is good. If we have very easy way to apply tricks/themes and so on without "recompiling" framework or applications. It will be good to take 1 ROM with ability to apply different tricks. but we can't this.
For example if you remember when rex4u and then others became to create themes for XXKB3, they don't know about extended power menu. and we can easy change theme just replacing framework files. But the was discovered a lot of tricks and now we should to choose not only between themes (looks) but also animations,memory,power menu and so on (feel). we can't just change some file and receive features we need without loosing features we don't need. Also theme developers can't make a lot of modifications for different sets of features.
That's why I think that several ROMs are better than 1. Also remember: if you want to make ROM you don't need to program on C, but for apply OTG or other features that you wrote in the post, you should know C...
All dev's re doing gret job..
they re doing everything of their own free will posts like these will dis herten them..
they re nt obliged to do nything..lso nything they mke they cn keep fr themselves instead of sharing it to us...
we dont give them nything they do it fr free from their own tym..
let dev's do whtever they wnt nd let us support them and when they want to work together they can always do tht using this forum...no one needs to tell them wht they shld do...
UPDATE: Database 3.0 can now be found here
Someone asked me to create a thread here for my custom ROM comparison database, so that's what I'm doing here now.
A few words from my side so you know what to expect of it and clear things up.
This is the original text I posted on my blog, so I'll just put it up here as well.
At the end of last week, I asked on G+ what to do next, an app comparison or a new custom ROM review. On of the first answers that got my attention was someone asking for a custom ROM comparison instead. I thought about it for a while how this could works since I can’t show them off side by side and it would be difficult no matter what. While thinking along I also remembered one post on YouTube where a viewer gave me the constructive criticism on the videos getting too long, especially the part where I listed all the features in the video review. I told him I am aware of that fact but I still haven’t found the right solution to make the videos shorter without missing any important specs. After some more thinking the idea of the comparison database was born.
The idea behind the database
Creating a database that contains all the available features clearly visible and quickly to access for everybody was actually the hopefully right solution. Using it I don’t need to waste anymore time on rattling down the whole list in my video… this saves me a whole lot of time but of course also you. And if someone wants to know if a specific feature is available in the reviewed ROM he can just quickly check the database and look for it, it’s as easy as that. Of course this method also allows me to focus more on the important aspects of the ROM itself.
Creating the database itself took quite some time for sure but in the end I think this is the cleaner and smarter solution for everyone. I hope this to get a helpful tool for everyone to easily find the right ROM for himself that suites him the most.
I did 2 videos, one quickly explaining the purpose of the database itself and an additional one explaining some of the more important custom ROM features so that people who are maybe new to custom ROM flashing know what to look for. If you see any feature in my database and wanna know what it is for or what it does, leave me a comment. I will then either quickly explain it if possible or collect some of the requests and make another “features explained” video.
Here is the link for the database (it will also be attached to every upcoming custom ROM video as well as the matching article), it will be updated with every upcoming custom ROM video review. I am no professional in text editing, so if someone is maybe bored or wants to help me out in making a better and more professional appearing database to improve it, please contact me, I’d really appreciate it.
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Features of the database
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- detailed list of all possible custom ROM feaures (~100 at the moment, constantly growing)
- containing 13 of the most popular ROMs + stock Android ROM + Xposed Framework to compare with each other (list is still growing)
- a lot of useful additional informations like links to downloads, ROM's websites, G+ communities and much more
- everything is sorted logically and color coded for fast and easy comparison
- all features have a quick explanation, expecially helpful for custom ROM beginners
- a lot of maintainers to keep it updated as good as possible (12 maintainers at the moment) - always looking for more, feel free to join
- constantly working on improving and enhancing the database
here is the link to the database 2.0 - thx to @parker09
some additional videos to explain the whole thing again...
Please feel free to leave any comments.
I'm a real Google docs noob so if someone maybe wants to help me clean it up and polish the style, just contact me.
And if this thread is posted in the wrong section, please just let me know.
UPDATE new host
Updates
Update
I read the posts here and on the portal and wanna set some things straight.
I do the database including the reviews in my free time, but besides that I´m also blogging,doing app/device reviews, how to´s and similar stuff so time for the database is therefore limited. That´s the reason I can´t progress with the database as fast as I would like to, also my way of testing takes up a lot of time.
I will of course try to do it as frequently as possible and of course ROMs like AOKP and Omni will follow in time.
That´s it for that.
Regarding mistakes and such, I know the database isn´t flawless but I´m not doing errors on purpose. About missing features of certain ROMs, it is possible some ROMs now have features that weren´t available at my time reviewing it but it´s almost impossible for me to keep track of all changes since I use different ROMs all the time and can´t always go back to already reviewed ones.
Update 2
Big change, after all what I read, I finally decided to make the database open to edit for public. Everyone can add ROMs and changes as he wishes to. I only ask users to be resposible and keep everything clean. Feel free to make new entries or correct errors if found. I think this is the best way for the database to grow.
The 2nd change is the move to another design made by @parker09 that is way nicer and better in my opinion.
The old one will still stay but won´t be updated anymore I think. So don´t forget to change your current link to the new one.
BIG THX to everyone in advance who decides to particate on working on the database, I hope the new way is a win for everyone.
Update 3
Sorry to say but the open to public idea wasn't the best it seems since the database somehow got messed up a bit. I want to prevent this from happening that's why I have some rules now to hopefully keep things clean and right this time.
Everyone is still welcome to participate in maintaining the database but has to do following now in order to get permissions to edit.
This reason for the rules is so I can better keep track of what gets changed by who and I know which parts are getting updated and which not.
How to get permission to edit?
Please contact me via PM on xda with the following title...
maintain custom ROM database "your email adress" "your google name" (the name that will appear when editing the document)
- Please also write down your name and email again within the pm just to be sure
- Please tell me which ROM(s) you would like to maintain or what you plan to edit.
- Please tell me if it is ok to add you to hangouts, this would make the teamwork faster and easier
Rules for maintainers
can now be found directly in the database
I want this so I have a list of all the maintainer and know who does what, so things don't get mixed up like 2 people editing one rom at the same time getting each other between in their way. This gives me a better overview so I can track the changes.
THANKS TO
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n3ocort3x - AICP Team member
owain94 - PACman Team member
vedantgp - CyanFox Team member - Special thanks for a lot of groundwork&more
josegalre - Special thanks for a lot of groundwork&more
jrudyk
msn.debord
louisjms
lordbalmon
septigation
l3v14n
Thank your for publishing it here as well. This will be helpful for all of us. :good:
SlimBean has Breathing SMS. I should know I ported it (its in MMS settings)
cordell12 said:
SlimBean has Breathing SMS. I should know I ported it (its in MMS settings)
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Maybe it didn't have it back when I reviewed it or I missed it. Will change it later. Thanks for the heads up
Can you add what you can do with stock+GravityBox? Then people can see which benefits they can get without flashing roms.
Hi nimrodity,
please make it available as a online tool for all ROM makers, so that they can update it as and when possible. and then there's no need you to update it.
Nice I did a column for Paranoid Android (as best I can - some features I don't know what they do) but did as best I could so if you want to copy & paste it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...VoZ1l0bWxoYnVzek9oNnhlWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=1
On the second sheet I started one ages ago and that's the style I went with, and you hover over for what their options are.
Interesting, but what I would really love to see is developers from cross-ROM platforms joining hands
Lastest Carbon have got Paranoid PIE.
Small adjustments
You had a really great idea by doing this. I once search for something similar to this spredsheet and didn't find anything useful...till now!!
You did a wonderful job!
I just noticed 1 small thing and my other point is a suggestion:
1. In CM10.2 you have an option for the vibration intensity only, so maybe you could add to the "vibration" section: yes, but limited.
2. My suggestion would be to add another "spec" for the ROM. It would be "screen color/gamma calibration". It's a very interesting feature and CM10.2 (latest nightly) has it.
What do you think?
Thanks
Keep up the good work!:good:
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Lastest Carbon have got Paranoid PIE.
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I know but it didn't back then when I reviewed it. I can't always update the database especially with the old review build date. It would be too hard to keep track of all.
Thanks for Your work... Hope You will add more ROMs to this database and I hope other members will help You to get the info You need for awesome ROMs like:
Purity...
crdroid
XenonHD
Liquid Smooth
Vanir
Carbon
Illusion
beanstalk
Jellybam
... and more AOSPs
... ... ... ... OMNI
Purity, Vanir, Jellybam and XenonHD should be simple to track because devs keep the same MODs&features... little changes on every new build
More difficult to track other ROMs that add&remove features very often
I can't help You because I'm a Stockish man and I won't try AOSPs for now
Thanks for useful database, It will sure help me when I will going to flash new rom
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Can you add what you can do with stock+GravityBox? Then people can see which benefits they can get without flashing roms.
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Doesn't really make sense since it's all about custom Roms but I already thought about doing a separate review for the blog.
Not sure about your idea, will think about it though
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Hi nimrodity,
please make it available as a online tool for all ROM makers, so that they can update it as and when possible. and then there's no need you to update it.
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As you can see by my simple list I don't know much higher about docs and I have no clue how to do such a tool. The idea sounds really cool if someone knows how to do that and wants to help out just contact me
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Nice I did a column for Paranoid Android (as best I can - some features I don't know what they do) but did as best I could so if you want to copy & paste it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...VoZ1l0bWxoYnVzek9oNnhlWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=1
On the second sheet I started one ages ago and that's the style I went with, and you hover over for what their options are.
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Will check it later. If you see my YouTube channel you see my PA rant. I don't really have that much interest updating the database with PA since I'm not really a big fan of the to work. Nothing personal but I just can't get warm with their Rom
@nimrodity
Great work. Important factors when choosing rom could besides features be "RAM usage on clean install and no tweaks/installed apps" and benchmarks based on the same conditions.
But anyways, awesome work :thumbup:
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@nimrodity
Great work. Important factors when choosing rom could besides features be "RAM usage on clean install and no tweaks/installed apps" and benchmarks based on the same conditions.
But anyways, awesome work :thumbup:
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Sorry I won't including benchmarks since they have nothing to say about performance in daily use. They are no important factor for me. Same for the rest, also I mention performance and such in my video reviews, don't plan on adding that stuff directly into the database though
On Cyanogenmod it says :
Volume Music Controls : music controls visible only but not with volume buttons.
You can control the music with the Volume buttons whilst being locked.
And if Poweroptions refer to the "menu" that shows when pressing the power button, you can en/disable airplane mode and select "Screenshot". And you can switch between Silent/Vibrate/Sound Profile.
Why no MIUI?
Great work! Just one little nag - why no mention of MIUI? It's distinct feature set should surely warrant a review, but that's just my opinion.
jwchips said:
Great work! Just one little nag - why no mention of MIUI? It's distinct feature set should surely warrant a review, but that's just my opinion.
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My database is far from being complete, I just started . I chose my Roms randomly until now. Miui is still possible to come
I'm really appreciated for ROM developers' work! All these guys working really hard and give to all of us ROMs, with useful features and tuning. But...
Take a look on every first post for almost every ROM. Long-long-long list with huge banners like DISCLAIMER, CREDITS, FEATURES, etc. Are you really sure that your users can estimate your work looking on this "(des)infographics"?!
I'm personally, like thousands of other visitors, are looking for ROM, at first - without bugs, which may be vital for them. For example, ROM with excellent design and unique features is absolutely useless for me if there is a sim switching bug is exists in it. Just imagine situation: I switched off one of my sims and found that the only one way to return it back to work, is "reflash ROM"!!! Why? Bcz it's "a well known bug". Relay great case to get this knowledge, for example, right during going out of a plane in unknown country which you decide to visit first time in you life and left without any communication channel! )))
May I suggest to all ROM developers and regular ROM users list on ROM's first page or here in this thread very short text list with list of ROM's bugs and possible solutions for them, if any exists?
As I know, now there are following bugs that may be critical for lot of users:
fast charge - not working or working but haven't indicator in status bar.
root - buil-in or must be installed separately? Which one SuperSU, Magisk, or other one?
NFC & safetynet test - can this ROM provide wireless payments?
VOLTE - is it working?
sim switch off/on - you switching off one sim and then can't bring it alive even after reboot.
flight mode - after switching it off you must reboot your phone to make new calls.
led indicator - it may not work at all, may partially work with one blue color, can be tuned by LightFlow or other app
double tap to wake up - is it working from the box or required external app?
one key (energy saving switcher on left side) - is it working?
dark video - when switching from photo mode to video, picture and video itself becomes noticeable darker than photo.
finger print actions - don't work, work after reswitching navigation buttons, work with registered FP only.
huge bluetooth power consuming - showing more than 10% while in fact the weren't any device connected and BT wasn't in use.
Please review all above in my list ant type for us short report about their current state in your ROM.
And one more point: dear ROM builders, please do not use bugs descriptions like "same as lineage OS 14 from ....". When you publish your ROM some bugs may be present in other ROMs too. But later, in those other ROMs their authors may fix some of them, while in your ROM they still may left, because you haven't update it. Please don't confuse your customers and don't force them to scan all threads trying to find answers. You know your bugs - please simply list them. And maybe community will give you advice how to fix them (like in case with FP from HigwaySatr).
ViperOS lacks updates. Otherwise, it's a great rom really
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ViperOS lacks updates. Otherwise, it's a great rom really
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unfortunately "great" - it's only your emotion. To get facts - try to check every item from my list in your "great rom" and you will find at least "sim switch of/on" and "dark video" issues.
DotOS looks similar to ViperOS but it haven't "sim switch of/on" issues. but DotOS development already stopped (
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unfortunately "great" - it's only your emotion. To get facts - try to check every item from my list in your "great rom" and you will find at least "sim switch of/on" and "dark video" issues.
DotOS looks similar to ViperOS but it haven't "sim switch of/on" issues. but DotOS development already stopped (
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Then, can you suggest a ROM that has the fewest bugs, besides great battery backup?
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can you suggest a ROM that has the fewest bugs
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it was done in my previous message - DotOS. One more choice - LOS from HigwayStar. As I found these twos are both without "sim switch off/on" bug. But they have some other bugs (f.e. dark video).
Now I switched from DotOS to HigwayStar because HWS still working on it, and DotOS is freezed.
comunity said:
I'm really appreciated for ROM developers' work! All these guys working really hard and give to all of us ROMs, with useful features and tuning. But...
Take a look on every first post for almost every ROM. Long-long-long list with huge banners like DISCLAIMER, CREDITS, FEATURES, etc. Are you really sure that your users can estimate your work looking on this "(des)infographics"?!
I'm personally, like thousands of other visitors, are looking for ROM, at first - without bugs, which may be vital for them. For example, ROM with excellent design and unique features is absolutely useless for me if there is a sim switching bug is exists in it. Just imagine situation: I switched off one of my sims and found that the only one way to return it back to work, is "reflash ROM"!!! Why? Bcz it's "a well known bug". Relay great case to get this knowledge, for example, right during going out of a plane in unknown country which you decide to visit first time in you life and left without any communication channel! )))
May I suggest to all ROM developers and regular ROM users list on ROM's first page or here in this thread very short text list with list of ROM's bugs and possible solutions for them, if any exists?
As I know, now there are following bugs that may be critical for lot of users:
fast charge - not working or working but haven't indicator in status bar.
root - buil-in or must be installed separately? Which one SuperSU, Magisk, or other one?
NFC & safetynet test - can this ROM provide wireless payments?
VOLTE - is it working?
sim switch of/on - you switching of one sim and that can't bring it alive.
flight mode - after switching it off you must reboot your phone to make new calls.
led indicator - it may not work at all, may partially work with one blue color, can be tuned by LightFlow or other app
double tap to wake up - is it working from the box or required external app?
one key (energy saving switcher on left side) - is it working?
dark video - when switching from photo mode to video, picture and video itself becomes noticeable darker than photo.
finger print actions - don't work, work after reswitching navigation buttons, work with registered FP only.
huge bluetooth power consuming - showing more than 10% while in fact the weren't any device connected and BT wasn't in use.
Please review all above in my list ant type for us short report about their current state in your ROM.
And one more point: dear ROM builders, please do not use bugs descriptions like "same as lineage OS 14 from ....". When you publish your ROM some bugs may be present in other ROMs too. But later, in those other ROMs their authors may fix some of them, while in your ROM they still may left, because you haven't update it. Please don't confuse your customers and don't force them to scan all threads trying to find answers. You know your bugs - please simply list them. And maybe community will give you advice how to fix them (like in case with FP from HigwaySatr).
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It amazes me how anyone can post anything on this forum...
Can't you just dislike this post?
It amazes me how anyone can post anything on this forum.
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can't understand - are you serious or ironic? but it seems to me - the last one.
if so - let me tell you: I'm really tired of the same dumb process:
discover "new" ROM at this forum -> backup currently running OS -> install new ROM -> make primary setup for it -> test that vital for me feature isn't work -> say 1-2-3 (un)censored words or sentences -> reboot to recovery -> wipe all installed stuff -> restore previous ROM with less bugs inside it -> one more time promise to myself no more trying unknown ROMs -> but... still watch for new releases.
ROM developers have enough time to draw useless first post dividing images, but appears so busy, to spent 2-3 mins for test above mentioned bugs and with real proud post their ROMs with the comment like "my ROM contains the only 3 bugs of total 12"? ))
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can't understand - are you serious or ironic? but it seems to me - the last one.
if so - let me tell you: I'm really tired of the same dumb process:
discover "new" ROM at this forum -> backup currently running OS -> install new ROM -> make primary setup for it -> test that vital for me feature isn't work -> say 1-2-3 (un)censored words or sentences -> reboot to recovery -> wipe all installed stuff -> restore previous ROM with less bugs inside it -> one more time promise to myself no more trying unknown ROMs -> but... still watch for new releases.
ROM developers have enough time to draw useless first post dividing images, but appears so busy, to spent 2-3 mins for test above mentioned bugs and with real proud post their ROMs with the comment like "my ROM contains the only 3 bugs of total 12"? ))
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If you're so dissatisfied, don't change ROM's then.
Hey. There's a good bugless(ughh) ROM it's called stock ROM. If you're not satisfied You can actually tell anything to them cuz you have paid for it. Have you tried that?
If you're so dissatisfied, don't...
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my question was not about my satisfaction. it was about statistics - how many bugs from my list and which ones have every ROM published here.
I don't required recommendations or suggestions. I will be glad to see simple answers about each of 12 item - bugs exist or not. from anyone who had test them by himself )
Let me show answer example that I'm expected on:
LOS 14 from HigwayStar
fast charge - working but haven't indicator in status bar.
root - Magisk 16 built in ROM installation script
NFC & safetynet test - working, my payments were accepted lot of times. installing xposed module broke safetynet test (
VOLTE - supported, but I can't test bcz of absence 4G
sim switch of/on - working.
flight mode - after switching it off you can make new calls without any bodymovements.
led indicator - working out of the box. you can setup 16 mln colors, blinking speed and delays.
double tap to wake up - working from the box.
one key (energy saving switcher on left side) - may work, but ROM author decided to switch it off in latest release
dark video - when switching from photo mode to video, picture and video itself becomes noticeable darker than photo especially for dark scenes.
finger print actions - work after reswitching navigation buttons, even without registering FP.
huge bluetooth power consuming - showing more than 10% while in fact the weren't any device connected and BT wasn't in use. simply calculation issue, bcz battery isn't really draining by sleeping BT.
it's not an example. it's my real report about ROM that I'm currently using.
this report may be also about my DotOS usage, but i switched from DotOS to HWS because DotOS - frezed, and HWS - still under development.
Do you know what all bugs(super annoying) the stock ROM have? Did you bust into Lenovo forum and post things like this?
If yes then wait for their update (rip in advance)
If no then go try that and tell me if somebody gives a #@!*
This ROM development is nothing you own. It's developer's hobby which they do in their free time. So creating a thread like this with such a demanding attitude is crossing the line.
You said about the long post on every ROM like intro and blah. Blah. You should read them.
* We are not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,
* Third World War, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please
* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM
* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if
* you point the finger at us for messing up your device, we will laugh at you.
If you think you can make something better do it by contributing towards ROM development.
Wow! So much angriness for one simple question! )))
Dear Senior Member Siva Mk, let me ask you why you are wasting your time and writing to me one more "long post",
You said about the long post on every ROM like intro and blah. Blah. You should read them.....
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instead of provide us answers for my question, if you have any one?
You are right - no one owes nothing to nobody! at this and all other forums.
I DON'T REQUIRE from somebody, and from ROM developers especially - any warranties and immediately fixing all existing and not existing bugs. Please reread my very first sentence in first post.
I'm really appreciated for ROM developers' work! All these guys working really hard and give to all of us ROMs, with useful features and tuning.
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I simply want to get help from other users (or ROMs' authors) and collect in one place info about ROMs critical bugs, which maybe helpful for all of us here, to choose ROM, most appropriate for himself.
I have a question - I had asked it. On my previous post I gave an example of answer that I expected. If you haven't such answer - please don't grow Universe entropy and simply ignore my posts and topics. Let we all stop this flooding, and will concentrate on help one to another
How many threads like this are going to be opened ? And who are you to tell developers what to do or bemoan the lack of bugless ROMs ? Ask a mod to close this thread because it's useless as no developer cares about your opinion. This is one of the reasons why there should be a down vote button on XDA like there is on reddit.
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How many threads like this are going to be opened ? And who are you to tell developers what to do or bemoan the lack of bugless ROMs ? Ask a mod to close this thread because it's useless as no developer cares about your opinion. This is one of the reasons why there should be a down vote button on XDA like there is on reddit.
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He's just another one who wants attention
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And who are you
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I'm one of the users legion. I'm those who use ROMs which developers creating not for their own using. As far as developer decided to publish his ROM in the Internet, he MUST be ready to answer the questions about his ROM.
Let me repeat once more to be completely clear:
1) I don't want to test on my own phone ALL published here ROMs.
2) I asked ROMs' users or their authors help in checking and reporting existing of some vital for lot of users bugs, that MAY be present in these ROMs.
Why did you all pounce on me (instead of check and report bugs existing)?
Am I asking anywhere at least one ROM developer to immediately FIX bugs in his ROM?!!
One simple question with pre-prepared themplate to make answer as easy as it possible. Are any criminal in my 12 items bugs list?
Once more I'm urging all to switch from hollywaring to finding bugless ROM or at least clarifying which bugs are exists in each ROM.
Nice thread, Sorry there is no bug-less rom available for P2 right now ?
For me the only rom that has no bugs is stock mm 6 even stock nougat for me has a bug that Lenovo can't solve till now linegue os by HWS is the best with minor bugs that does not affect daily drive
comunity said:
I'm one of the users legion. I'm those who use ROMs which developers creating not for their own using. As far as developer decided to publish his ROM in the Internet, he MUST be ready to answer the questions about his ROM.
Let me repeat once more to be completely clear:
1) I don't want to test on my own phone ALL published here ROMs.
2) I asked ROMs' users or their authors help in checking and reporting existing of some vital for lot of users bugs, that MAY be present in these ROMs.
Why did you all pounce on me (instead of check and report bugs existing)?
Am I asking anywhere at least one ROM developer to immediately FIX bugs in his ROM?!!
One simple question with pre-prepared themplate to make answer as easy as it possible. Are any criminal in my 12 items bugs list?
Once more I'm urging all to switch from hollywaring to finding bugless ROM or at least clarifying which bugs are exists in each ROM.
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Dude seriously if all people have a attitude like yours developers will just stop building roms altogether.
Hi everyone,
I have a RN5 global whyred waiting to have it's bootloader unlocked in a week and I am trying to collect as much information as I can about what would be the best set up once I unlock. But this has been a difficult process, since the information is all over the place and hard to keep up with. The known bugs list of most roms are not always updated, and sometimes a bug is mentioned in a thread, then not mentioned again for several releases, so it is hard to know if said bug has been fixed in the latest update. Camera mod info is also scattered in various threads. So I am asking for some help in collecting that sort of information. While I would like to collect this information for myself I hope it would be helpful for others who are looking for similar information, since my needs from a phone are most likely the needs of most people. If I have time I may even keep the second post updated with the latest info for a quick look for people who don't want to read the whole thread, though I make no promises about that.
In any case, these are my needs, and I would imagine, the needs of most people:
- calling
- sms
- data
- mms (on the Sim not active for data)
- Bluetooth calling and music
- WiFi
- gps
- reliable camera
- reliable finger print sensor
- root
- decent battery life
- no show stopping bugs (like ringtone or notifications going missing, alarm not sounding, random reboots, etc.)
I realize there is no such thing as software without bugs, but I think the above list is fair to expect from a phone.
If you could please reply to this thread with your current setup or a setup you recommend for the above functionality with the following information it would be appreciated:
- model (pro, China, global)
- Rom (build date)
- kernel (version or build date)
- gapps version
- recovery (version)
- root method
- gcam version
- any camera related mods, and method of flashing
- any other mods
- followed by any known issues with your set up, especially concerning any of the core functions listed above (e.g. I have read certain ROMs have laggy gameplay, which for me is not an issue as I don't game, but if you know your setup has such an issue, even if it's not important for you, please mention it.)
I hope this doesn't turn into another, "which is the best Rom" thread but provides more tangible information. In that light, please refrain from posting short posts like "x rom is the best."
I may adjust this OP if I see that more info is needed in each post, but I think that should suffice for the moment. Hopefully a collection of such info might mean that people won't have to flash and test every custom Rom in the dev section before settling on one.
Thanks in advance everyone.
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