A similar question has been asked on modaco but I don't think a solution was found. Therefore I am going to ask if this would work here.
Is it possible to connect a micro usb (male) to mini usb (female) adapter up to this thing (HTC 4 in 1 adapter: I can't post link because I am a new user but just search it on youtube). This would connect to the tg01 micro usb and provide a 3.5 mm audio out in addition to a mini usb connection where one could potentially hook up a charger. I was thinking of testing this out as it would cost about 10-15 dollars but I do not want to damage my phone in the process. I have no electrical engineering knowledge but maybe someone else can explain if this would work before I order anything.
On a side note: I order samsung WEP870 bluetooth headphones on sale as an alternative to this. Note sure how sound quality is but I will try answer any questions you guys might have.
Any input is welcome.
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Is it possible to connect a micro usb (male) to mini usb (female) adapter up to this thing (HTC 4 in 1 adapter: I can't post link because I am a new user but just search it on youtube). This would connect to the tg01 micro usb and provide a 3.5 mm audio out in addition to a mini usb connection where one could potentially hook up a charger.
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I was heavily involved in the discussion running on MoDaCo you refered to; unfortunately there has been no breakthrough on this issue to date.
I did look into the the HTC adapter you mention, but it actually uses the proprietary HTC ExtUSB plug on the input end (connecting to the phone) and NOT a normal mini-USB. The ExtUSB has 11 pins which include a discrete audio output (being used to feed the 3.5mm jack socket) and also hard-wired power (used to accept the charger input).
In the case of the TG01 uUSB socket, it is too 'intelligent' for its own good. Every function, charging, audio out, USB data transfer, etc., is under procesor control. Different functions are triggered by the device 'seeing' a certain resistance across the sense pin and ground; depending on this the processor then configures the use of the socket pins accordingly.
I am after what you are trying to achieve also; there is a chip supposedly available which is intended to fulfil exactly this functionality, but I've been unable to find any devices on the market which use it and attempts to contact the manufacturer with a view to getting a few samples to try and build an interface have so far been unsuccessful.
I've attached a couple of documents which explain the uUSB Charger Adapter and also the chip spec sheet for reference.
View attachment MC34825.zip View attachment batt_charging_1_1.zip
If anyone else knows anything to help move this one forward, will be much appreciated !
Thanks for the nice explanation,
Hopefully one day there will be an adapter that can make this possible.
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Hi,
I've recently brought a Raphael and await it to arrive tomorrow...
Anyway, browsing the web I found the following cable and some info that this phone supports TV-out. Anyone familiar with this and knows if this cable could work with this phone? How's the movie-playback quality with TV-out?
Cable:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9286
You shouldn't even have to buy that cable, though it is nice find. Yes it supports tv out you just have to buy a Video Ipod cable for something like 3 bucks and use the usb adapter that should come with the phone. You will also have to look around for a cab that will perform a register change to allow it to work.
Welcome to the world of the Rapheal now learn to earch the board for easy answers like this. It makes it easier for erybody.
Thanks for your reply.
I've heard about the iPod cable "hack", but my question is concerning this particular cable... and since I didn't find any information about it (through a search) I thought I could make a new post...
Anyway, thanks
that doesnt look like it uses htc's video out pins. i really doubt it would work. the "hack" is just to change state in the registry with the ipod cable to launch the tv easy program selecting thingy since the ipod cable doesnt change the system state settings. it still works without it. i would look on amazon for the ipod video cable because last time i looked it was for under $1, and also confirmed working. i think that cable you linked is for specific digital cameras that support video out over standard 5pin mini usb. htc has extra pins (the 5 data and 6 extra i believe, video and left and right audio like rca cables) and a trapezoidal plug to distinguish extusb.
What about the cable that's Mini USB on one end, and RED/WHITE/YELLOW for standard tv out on the other end? I've seen em online for sale. Wouldn't that be simpler?
You can be the first to try it and report back. My guess would be that HTC used different pins with in the usb plug.
I've brought the cable mentioned, I'll report back once I have it
tv out
Ok not sure as to what hack your referring to but i think this is it right here.
Nue made a program that does exactly what is mentioned above as far as the ipod cable or any other but here read for your self
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/nueTVOut.aspx
Hello everyone! My name is Patryk Andrzejewski (don't try to read my name if you're not polish), and this is my first thread on XDA.
I am studing electronics on university of technology so i'm pretty well with all kind of electronic stuff.
What i'm trying to do is "x-ray" the usb port in our TG01.
My basic targets is to find way to charge the device while using USB HUB or while listening music. If it's even possible to do.
Right now I know how to connect TG01 to amplifier by 3.5mm plug. Generaly most amplifiers have high impedance input while tg01 expect low impedance earphones to switch usb port to audio output. So what we need to do is take two resistors with the same resistance around 10k Ohm and connect them both between ground and both signal channels in male 3.5mm plug of the amplifier. This should do the trick. You can experiment with resistance but it should be as high as possible to not interfere in sound quality, but if it be to big output won't swich or sound would chop on high volume.
Basic usb cable have four wires plus ground. While micro usb plug have five pins. This extra pin is used to tell device what cable is connected, hub earphones charger or pc. It can be done by two ways, in each cable this extra pin is shorted to diferent other pins. Or it's connected by resistor to ground or Vcc.
What i need to do is determine how it is in our devices and if it would be done make a cable what will allow to charge while using usb to other purposes.
I can also help with porting microusb-3.5mm cables from other devices to TG01, just what i need is this cable, it's schematic, connection route with insides picture or small donation to buy it for tests.
Or eventualy I can make solution how to do it yourself.
Right now I waiting for a pack with new empty microusb male and female plugs to do some tests.
If someone have some experience with this please share.
Also it would be great if someone will port me on to usb switch driver.
Feel free to talk to me on priv.
Thread will be updated...
Hi @patryk,
Welcome to the TG01 Forum.... especially on this particular topic - if you can find a way to get multiple function via the uUSB port simultaneously, that will be great
There have been various attempts at this before, but in practice the only route seems to be using Bluetoth for audio while either charging or using the port in host mode.
I did a piece on Brighthand a while ago on connecting an external hard drive; there have also been discussions on MoDaCo and later on XDA (down the Accessories thread.... one is here and I think there may be some earlier than that). There is a link in the XDA post to a Freescale Smiconductor chip schematic. This is supposed to be able to (externally) support multi-function usage - ntended to be used by 3rd Party manufacturers in eg. a car kit, but as yet I am not aware of any such accessories having been released. If/when available would be suitable for any of the modern crop of uUSB based evices, though I think many car makers have opted for Bluetooth connectivity instead of the older style fixed car kits with cables.
Acording to pdf from your link I'm right, its all about one resistor. It's entire possibly to do this.
Tomorrow morning tests...
Thanks
oh I cant wait so:
rid_f: >220 kOhms
rid_a: 122-126 kOhms <-- this is what we're interest in
rid_b: 67-69 kOhms
rid_c: 36-37 kOhms
rid_g: 1 kOhm
These res val has small tolerance and ar not typical.
rid_a resistance is used to switch to charge device from charger and use usb for earphones or hub!
earphones - yes, but headset - not sure I must check first where mic is connected
here it is Dummy cable schematic:
Here are some related illustrations:
Schematic of the uUSB standard audio accessory control:
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Picture of the supplied Toshiba earphone adaptor pcb:
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The mic is connected to pins 1 and 2 (White and bare Cu)
I have made up several 3.5mm audio adapters using Neutrik 3.5mm jacks with 10k resistors fitted from D+ and D- to 0V common:
View attachment 506008
This ensures it will switch to audio out when connecting to external speakers with or without a ground-loop isolator transformer where typically the external device will have too low an impedance for the TG01 to recognise.
Shorting out D+ (Pin 2) and D- (Pin 3) causes the TG01 to go into Charging mode.
An R from ID (Pin 4) to 0V (Pin 5) causes the TG01 to go into Host mode.
I check all of these Rid's and it seems they don't work on Tg01. No matter how i try there is working only charging or earphones never both same time.
As you say device can be forced to charge when resistor < 200 ohm is connected between D+ and D- and they are floating.
There also must be other way to do this by the driver of usb charging becouse pc link charges only when TG is on.
In TG mic an switch of headset are connected to ID pin. So this first schematic of yours is about Toshiba accesory ?
Technicaly charging while using audio out is possible becouse VBUS pin is free in headset.
I'll do some other tests tomorrow..
Hi!
Any news since February?
I will find answers on many questions by reading this document
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I will find answer on many question by reading this document
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It is a good document, but iunfortunately leaves many questions unanswerable.
In Section 6.4 it shows a schematic of an Accessory Charger Adapter which is essentially what we need to achieve simultaneous charging and audio out (or other functions). It does not however give enough detail to implement. I have previously identified a Freescale chip which has been designe dto do this job, but hae been unable to identify any source from which to obtain one. In essence this is aimed at the peripheral manufacturers' -who might wish to design and market eg. a hands free car kit to which you could connect a microUSB On The Go spec device. However so far as I can discover there are no manufactureres who have as yet brought any related device to market. If anyone happens to have found anything somewhere across the globe - please shout !
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Does anyone know if the sensation has audio out on the usb port? If so, which pins is it on.
Looking to butcher a dock to make use of it if it does, to save me having to connect the 3.5mm jack and usb connector at night.
Usually, the pins are 'multi-use'.
So to get them to be 'Audio', you'd probably need to have a certain resistance across some pins, which would make it 'sense' that you have an audio device connected.
You could try a micro-usb audio adapter from, say, a Toshiba TG01 (I had one of these) and try it. (The TG01 also had USB Host adaptor as well!)
You might find there's an official lead for it, or it might just not be a feature that's available.
Until we get a service manual for the Pyramid, or you find a lead and test it, we're going to have no luck.
ICS is rumored to have support for USB Host, that should open up a world of possibilities, such as this.. not sure if this is possible at the moment, but I would wager that it's not.
Is there a connector that will enable plugging the Micro USB receptor on the bottom of an HTC One to device with a male 30 Pin plug.
like iHome radios etc....
HTC Micro USB to 30 PIN devices
tito2013 said:
Is there a connector that will enable plugging the Micro USB receptor on the bottom of an HTC One to device with a male 30 Pin plug.
like iHome radios etc....
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First off, please excuse the lack of links in this response. I am a newb and not allowed to post them.
Unfortunately there is no simple answer to your question, so we have to break it down into parts.
1) If you are looking to simply charge your device through the 30-pin connector then life is good - google "micro usb to 30 pin female" and pretty much whatever you find there should suit your charging needs
2) if you are looking to play audio over your iHome (which I'm sure you must be), then it gets a bit dicey.
Audio over usb on the HTC One was confirmed in this xda-developer post, but you will be more likely to have a working system if you use an audio jack to 30-pin converter. Google "android adapter for ihome" and near the top should be a GottaBeMobile link should have a review that will give you some ideas.
best of luck!
Hi all,
I have an interesting problem to pose to the techies amongst you.
I have just managed to get my dream car and now need to integrate my phone without paying the huge sums being asked for by the car manufacturers and some aftermarket electronic suppliers (car ICE specialists too). My phone is currently a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the car has MOST optical audio and satnav systems.
I'm after 3 distinct, yet simultaneous, solutions, which are : -
A/ power supply to the phone
B/ HDMI or RCA output to a dash mounted 5 inch lcd screen for satnav purposes
C/ audio output to link into the car's current MOST audio system (head unit in the dashboard, also running the car's hvac, and the amplifiers are in the boot)
My first thought was to open up the USB 3 cable and to run individual wires to 3 separate plugs for each of the 3 solutions listed above. At this point many of you may be laughing at my clearly very poor understanding of modern electronics, particularly USB, and I would not argue that at all - I'm a complete dimwit here! Obviously (I think...) the clear solution is in the fact that USB can run different objectives simultaneously.
So... I run my USB 3 CABLE from the phone to a (presumably powered?) USB 3 hub and have 3 appropriate cables plugged in and running respectively to A/ a USB cigarette lighter socket, B/ an hdmi (or RCA, or composite?) plug and C/ to a standard stereo headphone jack or socket.
I don't think A/ will work because I don't see power going from the socket back through the hub and into the phone. Suggestions welcomed as I can't see how to get power to the phone at the same time as having a USB cable supplying data out. Or is there power over USB through a hub available?
B/ seems straightforward enough.
C/ the audio then needs to go to an analog to digital / wired to optical adapter and then a 2 into 1 optical switch (so I can still have the existing output from the head unit) before plugging into the amplifiers. These 2 adapters are easily available through eBay, Amazon or Maplins as far as I can see. The issue I foresee here is will the head unit still be able to control volume, fade, etc of the signal coming from the phone? If the control of the amplifiers happens via the optical cables then presumably that won't happen if I've used a switch to change the source? Would taking the output from the phone's headphone socket be of any benefit? I doubt it as the output power from there may be quite a bit higher than from the USB port...
So you can see that I clearly need some knowledgeable direction here or I will be forever going round in ever decreasing circles!
Many thanks in advance for any help given. Cheers, Mark