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[REQUEST] A better landscape typing experience

Okay folks. I am wondering what you guys think about this. I hate to compare to the iPhone....again but there something that I am missing a little bit but not enough to make me jump ship...OBVIOUSLY! Anyway take a look at what I did with Paint.
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now the point of this is to make the conversation more....fluid. when im in the stock mode, picture 2, i just feel so disconnected from the conversation. i use google talk, i dubbed it GGM (Google Gmail Talk) just so it sounds as cool as BBM, and when im typing in landscape I cant even see what the other person wrote unless i exit the keyboard. again, this just takes me out of the whole experience. now some might say that the screen is too cramped with this option, others, like myself, say its not that bad and its probably worth it. and perhaps to satisfy both parties, maybe we can implement a double tap feature which will go back to stock mode. honestly, i have no clue if this is even possible but your inputs would be nice.
check out this thread: this guy actually did it but its kinda rough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672435

I like where you are going with this idea maybe you should pm the dev of the HTC IME mod

I type in portrait 99.999% of the time for this reason. I hate getting an IM/text from someone and not being able to see it without exiting the app.
I like what you did by not taking away from the kb size any, but from the HUGE area they give the text space. The text doesn't need that much room IMO. I hope this can be addressed and something better can from it.

I have to say, I dont like it....had it on my last device and it feels to tight, to small, I prefer to rotate my the device and enjoy the big field to type.

The only time I could really see myself needing to use the stock setup would when writing long responses in a forum. for example, before XDA had an app I would respond to threads using the standard view from the browser in landscape. this nicely moved all the other unnecessary stuff and made quoting someone very clean and easy.
Ayman

I think landscape typing is horrendous on android..I'd love to see it fixed. I'm a landscape lover but usually I stick to portrait for the KB.

I like where you are going with this idea maybe you should pm the dev of the HTC IME mod
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I wonder if this is really something within the actually keyboard. I thought it was a framework issue, granted tho, I don't know much about that subject. is there anyone out there willing to make this happen?

The easiest solution to this problem is to use Swype, which works better in portrait view, and still type fast.

The easiest solution to this problem is to use Swype, which works better in portrait view, and still type fast.
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how the heck is that a solution? did you even read the post?

I can't believe google decided that the keyboard and input box should take up the whole screen... sure hope somebody finds a way to do this! or at least make the text box slightly transparent or something

PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU TO MAKE THIS
i hate how the text box takes up the whole top of the screen i would like to see the last msg that was sent
i hate iphones 2 but they have some good ideas
please

I don't like the way the landscape keyboard takes up the whole screen and covers all the previous msgs/ content. I would love to see this solution implemented or a previous suggestion where the text input area was transparent.

maybe this will he seen by more devs if it was in the development section. is it in the right section?
I have emailed jonasl, hopefully he will email me back.

any development on this yet

ya I doubt this will get developed unless we start spreading the word more. if we can get a dev to see this than maybe we can get somewhere. start tweeting it and it might catch someone's eye.
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+100
would love to see this happen!

ayman07 said:
ya I doubt this will get developed unless we start spreading the word more. if we can get a dev to see this than maybe we can get somewhere. start tweeting it and it might catch someone's eye.
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Perhaps send Jonasi a PM. he is the keyboard master

ya i did email him but he didnt respond. ill try a PM next.
PM sent. lets hope for a reply.
alright folk, i just had a lil chat with Chris Soyars (the dev who worked with cyanogen on stuff like the cool App2SD feature and who created NexusMod Live) and he says this is wayyyy to complicated. My predictions were correct, this is not something that is found within the HTC_IME or any other keyboard, its something within the framework. He admitted to me that he wouldnt even know where to start! Guess I got a lil over zealous with my request. He is really busy so he cant work on this but he said its all about finding the dev who is willing to put the time in.
with that said, i still think it can be done!! lol we just need the right person.

Hi,
I think you should read android-developers.blogspot.c0m/2009/04/updating-applications-for-on-screen Much of the problem lies not in the keyboard, but in how the applications interact with the keyboard.
Google's algorithm makes sense, but many applications don't specify their input mode, so the keyboards do the best they can.
Different combinations of Keyboards/Applications will yield different results. If you don't like what you have, tell the developer, or change keyboard and/or application.
Cheers!
-I_Artist

I_Artist said:
Hi,
I think you should read android-developers.blogspot.c0m/2009/04/updating-applications-for-on-screen Much of the problem lies not in the keyboard, but in how the applications interact with the keyboard.
Google's algorithm makes sense, but many applications don't specify their input mode, so the keyboards do the best they can.
Different combinations of Keyboards/Applications will yield different results. If you don't like what you have, tell the developer, or change keyboard and/or application.
Cheers!
-I_Artist
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This is a HUGE help! I think I understand this better. Its not necessarily a framework issue, its the keyboard itself and all the keyboards are roughly identical. So what happens, if i read this correctly, is the keyboard has a predefined algorithm that tells it there isnt enough space on screen to have both the keyboard and app showing. that is why it reverts to covering up the whole screen.
This is used when the IME is too large to reasonably share space with the underlying application. With the standard IMEs, you will only encounter this situation when the screen is in a landscape orientation, although other IMEs are free to use it whenever they desire. In this case the application window is left as-is, and the IME simply displays fullscreen on top of it, as shown here:
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So if we look at the IME and readjust what it considers to be too cramped of a space to display the full keyboard and part of the app on the same screen then it should work! what u guys think?
did some more digging. this is from HTC_CIME but it should be roughly the same idea:
keyboardBackground="@7F020074"
keyboardPadding="0,2,0,4"
functionKeyBackground="@7F020032"
commonKeyBackground="@7F020031"
pageKeyBackground="@7F02008A"
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could these be the settings responsible for letting the app appear in the background with the landscape keyboard over it? i dont know what they "@7F02..." mean, what do these values represent?

The 8pen - New keyboard!!

http://www.the8pen.com/
This one seems interesting...

Umm, wow. Anxious to try but does not look like it will be easy to get used to.
EDIT: Available later today. On the market? Or will we have to download from 8pen.com I wonder.

Now available in the market. It costs $1.50 something, but might be worth a try.

Reminds me of the learn morse code website.
Seems like a similar method.
http://www.learnmorsecode.com/
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Just saw this on gizmodo... doesnt look easy to use..
http://gizmodo.com/5679266/android-keyboard-interface-8pen-makes-swype-look-like-a-breeze

Negrito said:
Just saw this on gizmodo... doesnt look easy to use..
http://gizmodo.com/5679266/android-keyboard-interface-8pen-makes-swype-look-like-a-breeze
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It isn't. Anyone who can take this keyboard and swipe like there's no tomorrow on it earns all of my respect. This keyboard is kicking my ass, but I find it to be pretty fun.

Downloaded it but can't get it to work correctly. Gah.
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at least it's an effort away from the the standard qwerty design.
it surprises me that we are so hung up on a keyboard layout that was originally designed to slow the typist down.

no way!
i do not like this! i tried it and it's hard for no reason!

For something that is an almost revolutionary change, you figure they'd release a trial version...
Edit: I know you can do the 24 hr thing, but most people are gonna need more than 24 hrs to get used to this. I'd say a minimum of 2 week trial would be required to get acceptably proficient.

I'm with all of you on this .... i normally pick up stuff fairly quick and i'm having the hardest time getting to any letters outside of a, i, y, s, e, t you get my point. the tutorial is not helping me. i see what they say but i don't get it .... i'm keeping close eye on my 24hr window ..... this one may be a return ....

I returned it. There's no way I can determine whether or not I'll be able to figure this thing out in a week, let alone 24 hours.

It took me a bit to figure out how to do it.... To get the other letters you have to go out from the letter you want then move your finger either clockwise or counter clockwise 1-4 sides til you get the letter you want.
For example to get a U slide your finger right like you would for an O then circle around to the side with the
S then back to the center. For Z you would go out from the center then make a complete circle. If that makes sense I'm not to great at explaning things... Its really fast once you figure it out and get used to it
Edit: cleaned post up a bit and explained it better.
(yes I know my grammar sucks I'm still trying to get used to 8pen)

Just watching the video almost gave me an aneurysm.

thanks
dark_dj27 said:
It took me a bit to figure out how to do it.... To get the other letters you have to go out from the letter you want then circle around. For example to get a U slide your finger right like you would for an O then circle around to the side with the
S then back to the center. For Z you would go out from the center then make a complete circle. If that makes sense I'm not to great at explaning things... Its really fast once you figure it out and get used to it
(yes I know my grammar sucks I'm still trying to get used to 8pen)
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this helped but i still don't like it!

Just tried it and after about an hour an i am getting used to it. I can type most words now without issues. Now without looking thats the hard part.

even the tutorial vid on their site looks hard as ****.

That looks awful! But I'll buy it just because it's unique

I still can't get it to function on my phone. Not sure what that issue is. It is enabled and selected for my input method but no characters appear when I type. Anyone else having issues?
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Karadorde said:
I still can't get it to function on my phone. Not sure what that issue is. It is enabled and selected for my input method but no characters appear when I type. Anyone else having issues?
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That was happening to me too. However, I wasn't bringing my finger back to the center dot.

Scrybe - A new way to type

Anyone tried this yet?
Downloading now...
Official App Page: http://www.appidio.com/apps/scrybe/
Test it here on your PC: http://scribe.googlelabs.com/
Market Link: http://market.android.com/search?q=pname:com.appidio.scrybe.free
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Anyone tried this yet?
Downloading now...
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Wow, a syntax based suggestion algorithm. Nice! Is it also aware of semantic differences. Like my dog won't ... eat (and no suggestion for "read" for example)

Wonder if this can beat Swift Keyboard

http://www.swiftkey.net/ does it also.
swiftkey also has many languages

nutweevil said:
http://www.swiftkey.net/ does it also.
swiftkey also has many languages
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Swiftkey is slow and ugly
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Just tried it.
It's quite slow, but from a technological standpoint, it's very cool. I can definitely see the potential.

igtheactt1 said:
Swiftkey is slow and ugly
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i use it i dont dont think it is slow. it may be ugly but i dont care. i like the idea of not clicking every letter to write a word. that's why i don't use swype or similar keyboards.
beauty < speed writing

Kind of like swiftkey but with more word suggestions. Swiftkey learns what you type though, if this is using the google scribe data I don't think it would have the same functionality.

Paul22000 said:
Official App Page: http://www.appidio.com/apps/scrybe/
Test it here on your PC: http://scribe.googlelabs.com/
Market Link: http://market.android.com/search?q=pname:com.appidio.scrybe.free
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Dude, you forgot the most important link, appbrain, if you included that this thing would already be on my phone. Heh, just messing with you and trying to remind/inform how great appbrain is for getting items on your phone when you aren't using it. Thanks for the post, it made the XDA Android RSS thread! http://www.appbrain.com/app/scrybe/com.appidio.scrybe.free
nutweevil said:
http://www.swiftkey.net/ does it also.
swiftkey also has many languages
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Swiftkey also charges $3.99
It's quite slow, but from a technological standpoint, it's very cool. I can definitely see the potential.
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It's just an alpha release.

It does indeedly look cool
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The word suggestions not coming up on my own. Assistance please

DRBEAN said:
The word suggestions not coming up on my own. Assistance please
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You are typing too fast...

Fantastic. Swifkey too. The future of typing.
More languages google, pleaseeeeee... (like greek for example, hahaha...)

again only english +2 other. Google and Microsoft never see rest of the word

No STT kills it for me.

Scrybe is a really interesting alpha release and will probably get much better.
At this time SwiftKey is way out in front for a number of basic reasons:
* Scrybe requries a constant, fast connection. SwiftKey works everywhere.
* SwiftKey allows multiple languages, even at the same time. Not Scrybe.
* SwiftKey learns your typing style with constantly better suggestions.
* SwiftKey often suggests the correct word before you even start typing it.
* Scrybe is slow even with a great internet connection. SwiftKey is fast.
* Scrybe admits that they are using Google Scribe, probably without a license.
Once SwiftKey learns your writting style over a couple of days, it is dramatically faster than Swype. But because SwiftKey finishes your words and even gives your upcoming words it cannot be used to break the texting speed records.

downloading .................... thanks

I've been using swiftkey since I still cant get swype and I love it. I tried using swype the other day and I failed. Ive had swift key predict whole sentences or even more than one sentence. I won't try scrybe until it proves its better then swiftkey.
Only thing I dislike about swiftkey is that it does save words you type often....which sucks
example (ex girlfriend) it still comes up with her name if I type just the first letter. hahah

Sorry to remain off-topic, but in SwiftKey, if you tap and hold a suggested word it gives you the option to remove it.
Your ex-girlfriend can be forgotten about!

Swype "Hidden Word" annoyance

This is getting out of hand. Swype is constantly popping this "this word has been hidden by blah blah blah previously entered into the dictionary" tip. At first it was tolerable but now it's getting out of hand with this "tip" popping up at least once in 10 words... I mean, I saw that tip so many times that I can recite it's content in my sleep! Looked everywhere but can't find a way to disable this annoying popup... Anybody else running into same issue?
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frifox said:
This is getting out of hand. Swype is constantly popping this "this word has been hidden by blah blah blah previously entered into the dictionary" tip. At first it was tolerable but now it's getting out of hand with this "tip" popping up at least once in 10 words... I mean, I saw that tip so many times that I can recite it's content in my sleep! Looked everywhere but can't find a way to disable this annoying popup?
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Me too!!
Someone please help!
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Just spell the word right the first time and you won't have that problem

i had that annoyance too with the word "ehart" (is that even a word lol) and "what".
What i did was type "ehart" letter by letter in the text message screen then selected all, and pressed the swype button. That process deletes the word from the Swype dictionary. Afterwards, there was no problems.

beezy69 said:
Just spell the word right the first time and you won't have that problem
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Pointless post.
This version of Swype is VERY annoying with the pop ups, even if you spell (swype) correctly.
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It is terribly annoying. There should be an option to disable that window in the Options, but there isnt.

beezy69 said:
Just spell the word right the first time and you won't have that problem
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yep already thought of that, one problem tho... i also write in russian (but using english similar-sounding letters) and as you'd expect there are quite a few "gibberish" english words that got stored in swype dictionary, and also, i had cases where i use tech/street jargon that cause that "tip" to pop up too... so nah, spelling properly isnt really the solution
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It is terribly annoying. There should be an option to disable that window in the Options, but there isnt.
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there is this "disable tip baloons" in options, but that doesnt do jack
anyways, glad to hear i'm not the only one pulling my hair out over this issue... hopefully we'll get it resolved soon

+ 100 thousand, its mostly with small words that it happens, you would think after a few weeks it knows what words you favor lol. and please no one suggest using another keyboard, because thats just...why?

soo... no solution?

nope. contact swype.
delete all the words that are hiding the correct word. is that right?? yeah, sounds right.

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anyways, glad to hear i'm not the only one pulling my hair out over this issue... hopefully we'll get it resolved soon
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You're definitely not the only one, it's annoying but I'm still a big fan of this keyboard.

yea love the keyboard but it popped up so many times i literally went back to the old stock keyboard lol

beezy69 said:
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That will only work if you haven't intentionally added words...which is part of the functionality of the keyboard. What they need is an add-confirm like on the gb keyboard.
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I was having the same annoying pop-up. Just for fun, I decided to check to see if Swype was completely up to date on my phone and apparently it was not. So I updated Swype and it seems like that annoying box has gone away now. I have not been typing a ton, though, so it is not fully tested. I may be the only one dumb enough to not try updating before... but if you haven't tried yet I recommend it.
Go to the Swype Installer app on your phone and see if it says there is a more recent update.
Hope that helps.

Where did you find a swype installer app? I don't have one, and it's not in the market.

flomexico said:
Where did you find a swype installer app? I don't have one, and it's not in the market.
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http://swypeinc.com/
mine is 2.17.59.15552.t100, which I think is the latest.

I thought it was popping up because my finger kept hitting the i button for tips next to the Arrow you use to capitalize words, not because I was spelling things wrong. Mine does not pop up for spelling words wrong, I believe you guys are hitting the i by mistake like I do sometimes. But, it is annoying, and should be removed.

i have an unrooted evo but i dont have the swype installer

THANK GOD I'm not alone on this! The stock Sense keyboard -- and now that I've flashed CM, its keyboard -- work fine, but who doesn't type one-handed? Swype is still the best for it.
Anyway, REALLY hope this gets fixed.

Gear 2 and Fleksy - My trick for making replying to texts easier.

There are a lot of posts here complaining about the beta, but...it's a beta. It's still in development. I was very vocal when the gear first came out without fleksy especially when they announced it with launch nearly 2 months before the release date. But it's here and I'm happy. here are some tips to make replying to sms easier.
1. Use the shortcut clock and put fleksy as one of the apps. One thing I love about the gear 2 is how easy it is to customize the interface by simply dragging and dropping from the watch.
2. If you have a group of lets say 5 or 10 people you text very frequently, simply put a "." in front of the contact name. When your watch syncs up, those contacts will be at the top eliminating the need to scroll through dozens (or in my case) hundreds of contacts) When you get notified of a txt, simply press the home button, click on fleksy on your shortcut watch face, select contacts at the top of the list and your all set. It's really very easy. I've attached the image to show you my setup. If anyone has any questions post away, I will be doing a video on youtube shortly.
Thank you for Fleksy for finally getting this out there. This app brings us a huge step closer to the smartwatch we all wanted!
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thanks for the tips.... i just installed Fleksy and im pretty impressed with it (being beta & all). keyboard is kinda awkward to use because i have some pretty big fingers but nice to have. so far i havent found any issues

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There are a lot of posts here complaining about the beta, but...it's a beta. It's still in development. I was very vocal when the gear first came out without fleksy especially when they announced it with launch nearly 2 months before the release date. But it's here and I'm happy. here are some tips to make replying to sms easier.
1. Use the shortcut clock and put fleksy as one of the apps. One thing I love about the gear 2 is how easy it is to customize the interface by simply dragging and dropping from the watch.
2. If you have a group of lets say 5 or 10 people you text very frequently, simply put a "." in front of the contact name. When your watch syncs up, those contacts will be at the top eliminating the need to scroll through dozens (or in my case) hundreds of contacts) When you get notified of a txt, simply press the home button, click on fleksy on your shortcut watch face, select contacts at the top of the list and your all set. It's really very easy. I've attached the image to show you my setup. If anyone has any questions post away, I will be doing a video on youtube shortly.
Thank you for Fleksy for finally getting this out there. This app brings us a huge step closer to the smartwatch we all wanted!
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Thank you for the tips/advice. Your suggestions are great and it works well to sort. My issue is that I thought Flesky would do autocorrects, especially with such a small keyboard to try and use, but mine does not. Does anyone know if this feature is coming?

highlordkram said:
Thank you for the tips/advice. Your suggestions are great and it works well to sort. My issue is that I thought Flesky would do autocorrects, especially with such a small keyboard to try and use, but mine does not. Does anyone know if this feature is coming?
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The auto-correct feature works just fine on mine. It didn't work the first time I downloaded the application but after a delete and re-install it worked fine. You could try that.

Always worked on mine. You're right, it would be worthless if it didn't

slaydog said:
Always worked on mine. You're right, it would be worthless if it didn't
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Guess what? It does work, but I was typing one word tests at first and did not hit the space bar. You need to do this to have the autocorrect do its thing. Now when I type tsting, it corrects it to testing, or thrre to three. Thanks all.

highlordkram said:
Guess what? It does work, but I was typing one word tests at first and did not hit the space bar. You need to do this to have the autocorrect do its thing. Now when I type tsting, it corrects it to testing, or thrre to three. Thanks all.
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Good point. I always have to hit the space bar after the last word, which is kind of weird

how i close off the autocorrect theme because i am from greece and i want to write greek with latin characters an the autocorrect make this thing impossible.

it may just be me or my phone, but it seems like after i send 1 or more messages with Flesky from my Gear neo, the "swipe" keyboard on my S5 stops working. I also lose my autocorrect feature unless i restart the phone (have not found another fix yet).
anyone else notice this? its almost like the S5 forgets it has Swype, and instead thinks its still using flesky.

I've setup my "Double Press" home button to open Fleksy. The "Double Press" command works from any screen on the Gear 2. After I read a text message I immediately "Double Press" and Fleksy appears showing my inbox.