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I was over at Luke Hutch's blog and asked him about a possible solution, he seems to think it would be relatively easy to implement, however, being that I'm not a coder, I haven't the slightest clue how to do it.
Basically, Auto-Fit causes choppiness when zooming in and out with multi-touch. Turning off auto-fit fixes this, but then you lose, well - auto-fit - making the lines much more difficult to read.
So I'm curious, how difficult would it be to edit the Browser.apk to on engage auto-fit once your fingers are released from the touch screen? OR, engage auto fit 1.5 seconds after removing your fingers from the touch screen. The delay would be necessary to account for multiple pinches in succession.
Any capable coders feel like taking a look?
good question. I just installed his multi-touch update adn was wondering the same thing.
I just tried turning the Auto-Fit completely off and it's still slow and kinda choppy. I don't think that Auto-Fit is the answer.
I think the multi-touch browser is a great proof of concept, but I still find myself using the zoom in and out buttons, especially since you can do it with 1 hand.
Plus, its very difficult to zoom in and out 1 step at a time using multi-touch. Either I zoom in too much or zoom out too much.
dwang said:
I think the multi-touch browser is a great proof of concept, but I still find myself using the zoom in and out buttons, especially since you can do it with 1 hand.
Plus, its very difficult to zoom in and out 1 step at a time using multi-touch. Either I zoom in too much or zoom out too much.
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I think multi-touch pinch zoom is a fad. Its so much easier to zoom with buttons. I don't need to hold the phone with one hand and pinch with the other (unless the person doesn't have nails on the index finger, which makes him/her extra terrestrial and what are they using G1 for anyway...), and then find out that I zoomed in too much. I can and want to use my phone with one hand, thank you very much!
devsk said:
I think multi-touch pinch zoom is a fad. Its so much easier to zoom with buttons. I don't need to hold the phone with one hand and pinch with the other (unless the person doesn't have nails on the index finger, which makes him/her extra terrestrial and what are they using G1 for anyway...), and then find out that I zoomed in too much. I can and want to use my phone with one hand, thank you very much!
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Totally disagree. I have an iPhone 3G and a G1, and pinch-pull is a real boon to the mobile browsing experience, making the experience as a whole infinitely more pleasurable than with hardware/softkey zoom buttons.
Even with the softkey zoom buttons the g1 browser is still not very fluid.
Does anyone know how my G1's hardware compares with my iPhone's? it's slightly annoying how much more laggy the g1 is compared to the iPhone, which is essentially an 18 month old handset. I think the browser does render web pages slightly quicker than my iPhone but this extra speed is negated by the sluggishness of scrolling and zooming through web pages.
Hardware is very similar. Both g1 and iphone uses the ARM11 CPU running at similar speeds. Iphone has 128mb of ram, the g1 has 192mb of ram.
The issue with the browser and gui in general is that the iphone implements opengl hw acceleration whereas android doesn't have that implemented even though the hw supports it.
here's some discussion on browser scrolling performance on the android group..
http://groups.google.com/group/andr...23e57b024/eb72618311917554?lnk=gst&q=browser#
Could be my imagination, but adp 1.1 seems to be faster and smoother than adp 1.0 or rc30.
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Totally disagree. I have an iPhone 3G and a G1, and pinch-pull is a real boon to the mobile browsing experience, making the experience as a whole infinitely more pleasurable than with hardware/softkey zoom buttons.
Even with the softkey zoom buttons the g1 browser is still not very fluid.
Does anyone know how my G1's hardware compares with my iPhone's? it's slightly annoying how much more laggy the g1 is compared to the iPhone, which is essentially an 18 month old handset. I think the browser does render web pages slightly quicker than my iPhone but this extra speed is negated by the sluggishness of scrolling and zooming through web pages.
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I also read somewhere that the processor is only clocked at 384MHz, and not its full processor speed of 528MHz, which may contribute to the sluggishness.
As discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3181346
and here:
https://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/ede9ba8c787661a1/3b763f027a41ff56?pli=1
and here:
https://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/ede9ba8c787661a1/6e554876cad80832
We got gipped into thinking the G1 was faster than the iPhone when we bought it.
coolbho3000 said:
We got gipped into thinking the G1 was faster than the iPhone when we bought it.
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Care for some bread with that whine?
Having run cupcake, web browsing is much more fluid. It will only get better.
dwang said:
I think the multi-touch browser is a great proof of concept, but I still find myself using the zoom in and out buttons, especially since you can do it with 1 hand.
Plus, its very difficult to zoom in and out 1 step at a time using multi-touch. Either I zoom in too much or zoom out too much.
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What about something like flicking the phone towards you to zoom in and flicking it away to zoom out.
rchanou said:
What about something like flicking the phone towards you to zoom in and flicking it away to zoom out.
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This. One finger on the screen just pans it, if you hold one finger on the screen you can then slide another finger back and forth to zoom in and out.
Quick, let's patent it so Apple can't steal this idea too.
i still use the zoom in and out buttons, although multi-touch is cool. until it gets alittle smoother, i'll stick with my +'s and -'s. and with the iphone, it seems alot better suited with multi-touch because it's got a bigger screen, the only thing about that, holding it in portrait mode is just annoying and awkward. the g1 feels good in the hand, you can actually get a grip onto it, and that is just not the case with the iphone. but i definitely welcome multi-touch on the g1 with open fingers, just gonna hold off until it gets alittle smoother.
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We got gipped into thinking the G1 was faster than the iPhone when we bought it.
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I could be wrong. But I believe when they said the G1 was faster, they were referring to Android being a faster operating system. Not the actual speed of the hardware.
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This. One finger on the screen just pans it, if you hold one finger on the screen you can then slide another finger back and forth to zoom in and out.
Quick, let's patent it so Apple can't steal this idea too.
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Isn't that technically how the squeeze works? The distance between the fingers.
I'm pretty sure Apple patented the actual multi-touch concept - not how you interact with it. Which is total bull****.
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This. One finger on the screen just pans it, if you hold one finger on the screen you can then slide another finger back and forth to zoom in and out.
Quick, let's patent it so Apple can't steal this idea too.
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too late...
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/19...ltitouch-gesturing-control-panel-in-mac-os-x/
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...d=PTXT&s1=7,479,949&OS=7,479,949&RS=7,479,949
FYI, increasing the CPU speed would not benefit the phone at all. It would decrease battery life by a ton, and would barely give you anymore performance, as the bus speed is MUCH more limiting than the CPU speed.
It's underclocked for a reason. Running it at standard clock wouldn't give you a faster phone.
I'm just saying, don't advertise it as 500+ mhz when it's running at 300+ mhz.
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FYI, increasing the CPU speed would not benefit the phone at all. It would decrease battery life by a ton, and would barely give you anymore performance, as the bus speed is MUCH more limiting than the CPU speed.
It's underclocked for a reason. Running it at standard clock wouldn't give you a faster phone.
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Please show where it says that the bus speed is hindering the processor. I agree with you on the battery life vs. proc speed argument, but I'm pretty sure that bumping up the clock speed would make the phone faster. Now the question is, would it be a night and day difference? Probably not.
Just curious to know why you gave up on the Vibrant?
I bought the Vibrant on launch day - LOVED IT....
Then.... the GPS problems started... and seemed to get worse over time, to the point where the phone was rebooting itself when I used the GPS for more than just a few minutes (regardless of the app).
I updated to JI6 when it was released by Samsung since it was supposed to fix the issues, or at least make them a little better. HA! I used GPS that night on the way home, had a strong GPS lock... I was about half way home and looked down and it showed me in the middle of a river. What was truely laughable was that it was saying accurate to within 30 feet - and ever better was that the river it showed me in the middle of was over a mile away!
I swapped the Vibrant for a Nexus One, but after having seen the performance of the MT4G and the fact that everything I ever had rooted for before on other phones was right there ready to go stock-out-of-the-box on the MyTouch, I made the leap.
Something else that sold me - the screen. I can actually read the screen in sunlight better than I could the Nexus... Sure, the Vibrant was a little better in that area than the Nexus, but still not as good as this.
Oh yes - the front facing camera was a selling point as well. A lot of my friends (I say that term loosely since I dont like being associated with crApple fans!) have iphones and use video chat a lot via Tango - I just wanted to be part of the crowd without further lining Job's pockets and no way in hell was I going to AT&T.
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Just curious to know why you gave up on the Vibrant?
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Led notifications, ffc, samsung, and one of the main reasons... The horrible plastic feel
Samshitty, need I say more? Hardware not in sync with software does no good at all. Myt4G= Latest operating system, better processor/hardware, ffc, desk clock(best), FM radio, Sense (Love it) pinch to zoom email, best browser, better gaming, Genius button, no lag, less expensive,wifi calling, More ram (768), best battery to date, everything just works and is included. Unlike the predecessors, no need for make-shifts to get the stuff we want. It is more of a complete package then any Android phone to date.
I'm gonna keep using both but the mytouch is the superior phone. For me, the overall function of the mytouch is the reason. There are some things that the vibrant does do better though - 1. The samoled on the vibrant is definitely better (I love the true blacks and contrast ratio on this thing) 2. The speakers are also noticeably better with richer and fuller sound 3. The GPU is also more capable 4. Audio quality for media is better (mytouch and HTC phones in general have too much bass and not enough detail) 5. The camera while lacking flash is more capable 5. The multitouch, responsiveness, and feel of the screen is better 6. And the last thing is the notification bar is the best I've seen on an Android phone (the ability to have those toggle settings, change brightness by swiping, and change music tracks are amazing). Everything else, the mytouch does better. 1) GPS is much better 2) Solid feel while the vibrant felt plastic and creaked 3)FFC 3. Camera flash 4. Froyo 5. Optical trackpad 6. Much better battery life 7. The user experience is buttery smooth with little or no lag on this thing 8. The notification led
Wow sorry for the essay guys, got a little carried away haha.
When you say the plastic creaked, were you handling the white one? Only the white one has all that plastic - the rest have hard rubber - no creaking involved!
JWhipple said:
When you say the plastic creaked, were you handling the white one? Only the white one has all that plastic - the rest have hard rubber - no creaking involved!
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My bad man, I meant the vibrant felt plastic and creaked. I fixed it in my post. I have the black mytouch, feels really good with the rubberized plastic. You're right though, only the white has the plastic (main reason I chose the black over white, the other being a three-toned color setup for white which looks funny IMO).
I jumped ship tonight aswell. Main reason for me is because I love the widgets and the fact that I have a notification light after months of torture.
just picked up the mytouch 4g in plum color last night. will need to use this device for at least a few weeks to gauge whether i want to sell my vibrant or not. since i have two phone lines, as one phone is for my job, i will probably end up keeping both and just sell my hd2.
my opinion as it stands now, towards the vibrant, is that the vibrant can be the best android phone available if and when samsung fixes all the issues on the upcoming froyo 2.2 update. i.e., laggy rfs file system and persistent problems with gps even after the ji6 update.
I used the Vibrant from the first week's release. The Vibrant screen is way overrated. Sure, the blacks looks a thought they've been painted on the screen, but that's really how far I would go with its advantages. Readability on the MT4G is vastly better. And, the thing that made the Vibrant terrible was its color reproduction. White were blueish, and because the white balance was so off, all other colors were just completely off. This phone can show true whites. Another subtlety is the fact that varying brightness levels is oh so much smoother on the mt4g. You can't achieve that yet with SAMOLED, as brightness levels would go up or down in stages. I found it a little distracting.
The rfs file system was a main deal breaker to me. It got really annoying. Why did Samsung have to try and be different? It caused the majority of the lag in the phone in comparison to similar phones with the same specs.
For example, when I ran the Napster and Thumbplay apps on the Vibrant, it would take foreeeeever to load the album art and no other phones except Samsung phones have that problem apparently. On the mt4g, it loads instantaneously.
waiaung1 said:
I'm gonna keep using both but the mytouch is the superior phone. For me, the overall function of the mytouch is the reason. There are some things that the vibrant does do better though - 1. The samoled on the vibrant is definitely better (I love the true blacks and contrast ratio on this thing) 2. The speakers are also noticeably better with richer and fuller sound 3. The GPU is also more capable 4. Audio quality for media is better (mytouch and HTC phones in general have too much bass and not enough detail) 5. The camera while lacking flash is more capable 5. The multitouch, responsiveness, and feel of the screen is better 6. And the last thing is the notification bar is the best I've seen on an Android phone (the ability to have those toggle settings, change brightness by swiping, and change music tracks are amazing). Everything else, the mytouch does better. 1) GPS is much better 2) Solid feel while the vibrant felt plastic and creaked 3)FFC 3. Camera flash 4. Froyo 5. Optical trackpad 6. Much better battery life 7. The user experience is buttery smooth with little or no lag on this thing 8. The notification led
Wow sorry for the essay guys, got a little carried away haha.
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You may be long winded, but you said EXACTLY the reasons. I lived some things about my Vibrant that the mT4G just can't or doesn't do as well, but I swapped out for the 4G and an very happy I did so.
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I did it for the speed,ummm speed, and ummm speed..basically.
lghorn said:
You may be long winded, but you said EXACTLY the reasons. I lived some things about my Vibrant that the mT4G just can't or doesn't do as well, but I swapped out for the 4G and an very happy I did so.
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#4 reason is open to debate. Some say the GPU on myt4g is better than the Vibrant. I've used the vibrant rooted almost a month and I think myt4g GPU is better. Next G2 and then the Vibrant.
http://androidevolutions.com/2010/1...wervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Hummingbird wins in one area of GPU only. in all other areas G2 wins. Which is slightly inferior to myt4g processor.
No more Sammy for me!
I had the same issues with the Vibrant as just about everyone else who has posted replies:
- unuseable GPS
- no camera Flash
- No notification light
- No FFC
- I hate capacitive buttons
- no trackpad
- no HSPA+
The only thing I liked better about the Vibrant is the screen...it is a beautiful screen that the MT4G can't compete with, but with all the other problems the Vibrant has, the screen is not enough to make me keep it.
I spent more time flashing ROM's on my Vibrant than actually using it...sure, it makes you feel cool for the first week when you are adding new features and trying new ROM's, but it gets very old very quickly when the UI changes, but the crappy hardware is still limited and there is nothing you can do about that except to buy a decent phone...for now, that is the MT4G.
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I used the Vibrant from the first week's release. The Vibrant screen is way overrated. Sure, the blacks looks a thought they've been painted on the screen, but that's really how far I would go with its advantages. Readability on the MT4G is vastly better. And, the thing that made the Vibrant terrible was its color reproduction. White were blueish, and because the white balance was so off, all other colors were just completely off. This phone can show true whites. Another subtlety is the fact that varying brightness levels is oh so much smoother on the mt4g. You can't achieve that yet with SAMOLED, as brightness levels would go up or down in stages. I found it a little distracting.
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The main drawback to the Vibrant's screen, IMO, was the jaggy text. amoled and S-amoled screens use the pentile arrangement of pixels, which gives one less sub-pixel to each individual pixel (2 instead of 3). This makes text look pixelated.
Text looks very sharp and clear on the MT4G. Speed and good GPS are the two main reasons I switched. HTC just knows how to make android phones. Everything works very well on the phone and it flies!
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#4 reason is open to debate. Some say the GPU on myt4g is better than the Vibrant. I've used the vibrant rooted almost a month and I think myt4g GPU is better. Next G2 and then the Vibrant.
http://androidevolutions.com/2010/1...wervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Hummingbird wins in one area of GPU only. in all other areas G2 wins. Which is slightly inferior to myt4g processor.
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You could very well be correct but I kinda wanna see the tests once the Galaxy S phones get Froyo for a fair comparison. It is a known fact that Froyo adds somewhat of a boost to graphics performance seen by older Snapdragon processor phones performing better in graphics benchmarks after updating to Froyo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I am right but from using both phones, it seems like the Vibrant is able to handle 720p HD videos and games a little better (the games could be due to devs not coding the games properly for the new Adreno 205). If you guys wanna see a comparison, I say you run the same games and HD videos side by side, and not rely too much on benchmark numbers. What I find interesting is that, the video frames are noticeably smoother on the Vibrant when running the Quadrant benchmark.
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You could very well be correct but I kinda wanna see the tests once the Galaxy S phones get Froyo for a fair comparison. It is a known fact that Froyo adds somewhat of a boost to graphics performance seen by older Snapdragon processor phones performing better in graphics benchmarks after updating to Froyo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I am right but from using both phones, it seems like the Vibrant is able to handle 720p HD videos and games a little better (the games could be due to devs not coding the games properly for the new Adreno 205). If you guys wanna see a comparison, I say you run the same games and HD videos side by side, and not rely too much on benchmark numbers. What I find interesting is that, the video frames are noticeably smoother on the Vibrant when running the Quadrant benchmark.
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Froyo does it no good as far as the GPU. It is designed to enhance optimize the CPU. JIT. Which is why even with JIT activated on the leaked froyo (att) it didn't improve in MFLOPS where the Qualcomm processors did. (5) times improvement. AS for games. I have been playing asphalt on the myt4G and it is a better experience then the vibrant. (butter)
The above poster is right when he says that HTC does better with Android then Samsung. All the Samsung Android devices had problems. Most notably, no support. HTC makes better Android devices. Period.
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Froyo does it no good as far as the GPU. It is designed to enhance optimize the CPU. JIT. Which is why even with JIT activated on the leaked froyo (att) it didn't improve in MFLOPS where the Qualcomm processors did. (5) times improvement. AS for games. I have been playing asphalt on the myt4G and it is a better experience then the vibrant. (butter)
The above poster is right when he says that HTC does better with Android then Samsung. All the Samsung Android devices had problems. Most notably, no support. HTC makes better Android devices. Period.
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I know JIT mostly improves CPU performance but phones such as the Nexus One did get a little bit of a GPU jump in graphics benchmarks after getting Froyo. The reason I think is because these graphics benchmarks are not 100% GPU only; a little bit of CPU is involved as well. An example of a CPU affecting graphics is the PS3, the CPU does wonders for it which is evident through amazing graphics in first party games like uncharted 2 because the system is being used more efficiently. Another thing that Froyo adds is better memory management (unlocks hi mem and manages it better) which should also affect these scores a little IMO. I just don't think it's a fair comparison until the Vibrant receives the actual Froyo update, that's all I'm saying. It could be the case that they are even or that the adreno 205 is better, we'll find out once Froyo arrives.
P.S I whole-heartedly agree with you two that HTC makes a lot better android phones, heck phones in general, than Samsung.
Question: What if any are the FPS limits coded into the 2.3 and All iOS versions
GUI's?
When i use the Nexus S its very smooth BUT i can depict Less Frames of Animation VS an I-Device which seems to move the interface, say a scroll bar of contacts at a Few pixels per Frame giving an deceptively real feel?
It is by FACT that the GPU on the NS SGX540 is TWICE as Powerful as the Iphone Stuffs SGX535
Anybody Know What Gives?
I think it has to do with software acceleration for.some reason my nexus s looks great when I use but when I get my iPhone in the picture it.looks like is rough around the edges I hope this get fixed with ice cream (I thought it wwould happened with gingerbread buying guess.nope
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definitely with you as the windows 7 looks smooth it has to be bout the os. but the real question was bout calculating da fps and not how we see it
Today at the tmobile store : it seems to feel very nice in hand and it is a good looking device ,actually I'm on it tight now ,the weather animations are cool and sense 3.0 is pretty nice , I could only muster a high of 1987 on quadrant scores after several tries ,the screen is slightly smaller than my HD2 screen but its a lot brighter ,the camera takes great pics and the hd recording is great also , sense still seems to lag just a bit ,that was suprising I thought that would be gone but its not , over all I like the phone ,screen resolution and hardware upgrades too good to pass up ,my overall score b+ ,almost an A, this phone barely and i mean barely pulls me away from my HD2 running android , if it werent for the front facing camera then i wouldnt even think about it, im sure xda wil turn this phone(sensation) into a monster ,so no worries here
Also they come with Wi-Fi calling
same size screen both are 4.3", just different aspect ratios.
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Just appears smaller in hand bc its a little more narrow but a bit longer...
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i really didnt see it being longer but it was more narrow ,but i havent seen a 4.3 yet that was the same exact size as the hd2 ,its just wider than most 4.3's
I got to say that when I played with it in the tmo store I was underwhelmed with its performance. There was no wow factor with the speed like the g2x and sense seemed laggy and unnecessary save for the status bar tweaks. I honestly did not notice any thing faster about it other than camera vs my nexus one on cm7. It seems like those subpar benchmark scores are pretty accurate honestly as real world performance seems to be right at the single core snap dragon (mytouch 4g)
Of course it will be faster when it is rooted and hacked but the g2x was faster right out of the box. I am honestly considering a hd2 on Cl for 200 and then hacking it until the Samsung Hercules or nexus 3 because the sensation doesn't seem like much of improvement.
Was anyone disappointed when they played with it?
Most games are build to run on way slower devices than the Nexus 9 and some won't even let us enable the High graphics settings (like asphalt 8) because they don't know the N9 yet. So most games won't really feel different on the N9.
I found Google Earth to be a nice tool to feel how much faster the N9 is compared to most other phones and tablets. It really adds to the experience.
Start Google Earth, go to New York City, tilt the image so that you get a good view over the skyline of Manhattan and let it fetch the buildings. While on most tablets scrolling, zooming, tilting will be really slow and laggy (single digits or worse FPS) it will stay quiet fluid and responsive on the Nexus 9 (though not perfect, wait for the N9 2016 edition for that, way beyond any other tablet I tried).
What other apps or games do you know to really show how much faster than most devices the N9 is?
Antutu
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Antutu
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I think the OP is talking about real world useful apps. While some people run Antutu a lot, it's not really an app which is meant to be a "real" app for anything useful in the real world at all.
I know, I was taking the piss
thnx i will try that google earth app on the nex9, just got it today and setting it up..i've had nexus 4, 5 6, 7 9 lol ...not the 10