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Just for Vibrant user's, How many switched and why?

Just curious to know why you gave up on the Vibrant?

I bought the Vibrant on launch day - LOVED IT....
Then.... the GPS problems started... and seemed to get worse over time, to the point where the phone was rebooting itself when I used the GPS for more than just a few minutes (regardless of the app).
I updated to JI6 when it was released by Samsung since it was supposed to fix the issues, or at least make them a little better. HA! I used GPS that night on the way home, had a strong GPS lock... I was about half way home and looked down and it showed me in the middle of a river. What was truely laughable was that it was saying accurate to within 30 feet - and ever better was that the river it showed me in the middle of was over a mile away!
I swapped the Vibrant for a Nexus One, but after having seen the performance of the MT4G and the fact that everything I ever had rooted for before on other phones was right there ready to go stock-out-of-the-box on the MyTouch, I made the leap.
Something else that sold me - the screen. I can actually read the screen in sunlight better than I could the Nexus... Sure, the Vibrant was a little better in that area than the Nexus, but still not as good as this.
Oh yes - the front facing camera was a selling point as well. A lot of my friends (I say that term loosely since I dont like being associated with crApple fans!) have iphones and use video chat a lot via Tango - I just wanted to be part of the crowd without further lining Job's pockets and no way in hell was I going to AT&T.

30Glock said:
Just curious to know why you gave up on the Vibrant?
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Led notifications, ffc, samsung, and one of the main reasons... The horrible plastic feel

Samshitty, need I say more? Hardware not in sync with software does no good at all. Myt4G= Latest operating system, better processor/hardware, ffc, desk clock(best), FM radio, Sense (Love it) pinch to zoom email, best browser, better gaming, Genius button, no lag, less expensive,wifi calling, More ram (768), best battery to date, everything just works and is included. Unlike the predecessors, no need for make-shifts to get the stuff we want. It is more of a complete package then any Android phone to date.

I'm gonna keep using both but the mytouch is the superior phone. For me, the overall function of the mytouch is the reason. There are some things that the vibrant does do better though - 1. The samoled on the vibrant is definitely better (I love the true blacks and contrast ratio on this thing) 2. The speakers are also noticeably better with richer and fuller sound 3. The GPU is also more capable 4. Audio quality for media is better (mytouch and HTC phones in general have too much bass and not enough detail) 5. The camera while lacking flash is more capable 5. The multitouch, responsiveness, and feel of the screen is better 6. And the last thing is the notification bar is the best I've seen on an Android phone (the ability to have those toggle settings, change brightness by swiping, and change music tracks are amazing). Everything else, the mytouch does better. 1) GPS is much better 2) Solid feel while the vibrant felt plastic and creaked 3)FFC 3. Camera flash 4. Froyo 5. Optical trackpad 6. Much better battery life 7. The user experience is buttery smooth with little or no lag on this thing 8. The notification led
Wow sorry for the essay guys, got a little carried away haha.

When you say the plastic creaked, were you handling the white one? Only the white one has all that plastic - the rest have hard rubber - no creaking involved!

JWhipple said:
When you say the plastic creaked, were you handling the white one? Only the white one has all that plastic - the rest have hard rubber - no creaking involved!
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My bad man, I meant the vibrant felt plastic and creaked. I fixed it in my post. I have the black mytouch, feels really good with the rubberized plastic. You're right though, only the white has the plastic (main reason I chose the black over white, the other being a three-toned color setup for white which looks funny IMO).

I jumped ship tonight aswell. Main reason for me is because I love the widgets and the fact that I have a notification light after months of torture.

just picked up the mytouch 4g in plum color last night. will need to use this device for at least a few weeks to gauge whether i want to sell my vibrant or not. since i have two phone lines, as one phone is for my job, i will probably end up keeping both and just sell my hd2.
my opinion as it stands now, towards the vibrant, is that the vibrant can be the best android phone available if and when samsung fixes all the issues on the upcoming froyo 2.2 update. i.e., laggy rfs file system and persistent problems with gps even after the ji6 update.

I used the Vibrant from the first week's release. The Vibrant screen is way overrated. Sure, the blacks looks a thought they've been painted on the screen, but that's really how far I would go with its advantages. Readability on the MT4G is vastly better. And, the thing that made the Vibrant terrible was its color reproduction. White were blueish, and because the white balance was so off, all other colors were just completely off. This phone can show true whites. Another subtlety is the fact that varying brightness levels is oh so much smoother on the mt4g. You can't achieve that yet with SAMOLED, as brightness levels would go up or down in stages. I found it a little distracting.

The rfs file system was a main deal breaker to me. It got really annoying. Why did Samsung have to try and be different? It caused the majority of the lag in the phone in comparison to similar phones with the same specs.
For example, when I ran the Napster and Thumbplay apps on the Vibrant, it would take foreeeeever to load the album art and no other phones except Samsung phones have that problem apparently. On the mt4g, it loads instantaneously.

waiaung1 said:
I'm gonna keep using both but the mytouch is the superior phone. For me, the overall function of the mytouch is the reason. There are some things that the vibrant does do better though - 1. The samoled on the vibrant is definitely better (I love the true blacks and contrast ratio on this thing) 2. The speakers are also noticeably better with richer and fuller sound 3. The GPU is also more capable 4. Audio quality for media is better (mytouch and HTC phones in general have too much bass and not enough detail) 5. The camera while lacking flash is more capable 5. The multitouch, responsiveness, and feel of the screen is better 6. And the last thing is the notification bar is the best I've seen on an Android phone (the ability to have those toggle settings, change brightness by swiping, and change music tracks are amazing). Everything else, the mytouch does better. 1) GPS is much better 2) Solid feel while the vibrant felt plastic and creaked 3)FFC 3. Camera flash 4. Froyo 5. Optical trackpad 6. Much better battery life 7. The user experience is buttery smooth with little or no lag on this thing 8. The notification led
Wow sorry for the essay guys, got a little carried away haha.
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You may be long winded, but you said EXACTLY the reasons. I lived some things about my Vibrant that the mT4G just can't or doesn't do as well, but I swapped out for the 4G and an very happy I did so.
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I did it for the speed,ummm speed, and ummm speed..basically.

lghorn said:
You may be long winded, but you said EXACTLY the reasons. I lived some things about my Vibrant that the mT4G just can't or doesn't do as well, but I swapped out for the 4G and an very happy I did so.
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#4 reason is open to debate. Some say the GPU on myt4g is better than the Vibrant. I've used the vibrant rooted almost a month and I think myt4g GPU is better. Next G2 and then the Vibrant.
http://androidevolutions.com/2010/1...wervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Hummingbird wins in one area of GPU only. in all other areas G2 wins. Which is slightly inferior to myt4g processor.

No more Sammy for me!
I had the same issues with the Vibrant as just about everyone else who has posted replies:
- unuseable GPS
- no camera Flash
- No notification light
- No FFC
- I hate capacitive buttons
- no trackpad
- no HSPA+
The only thing I liked better about the Vibrant is the screen...it is a beautiful screen that the MT4G can't compete with, but with all the other problems the Vibrant has, the screen is not enough to make me keep it.
I spent more time flashing ROM's on my Vibrant than actually using it...sure, it makes you feel cool for the first week when you are adding new features and trying new ROM's, but it gets very old very quickly when the UI changes, but the crappy hardware is still limited and there is nothing you can do about that except to buy a decent phone...for now, that is the MT4G.

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I used the Vibrant from the first week's release. The Vibrant screen is way overrated. Sure, the blacks looks a thought they've been painted on the screen, but that's really how far I would go with its advantages. Readability on the MT4G is vastly better. And, the thing that made the Vibrant terrible was its color reproduction. White were blueish, and because the white balance was so off, all other colors were just completely off. This phone can show true whites. Another subtlety is the fact that varying brightness levels is oh so much smoother on the mt4g. You can't achieve that yet with SAMOLED, as brightness levels would go up or down in stages. I found it a little distracting.
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The main drawback to the Vibrant's screen, IMO, was the jaggy text. amoled and S-amoled screens use the pentile arrangement of pixels, which gives one less sub-pixel to each individual pixel (2 instead of 3). This makes text look pixelated.
Text looks very sharp and clear on the MT4G. Speed and good GPS are the two main reasons I switched. HTC just knows how to make android phones. Everything works very well on the phone and it flies!

kamasi36 said:
#4 reason is open to debate. Some say the GPU on myt4g is better than the Vibrant. I've used the vibrant rooted almost a month and I think myt4g GPU is better. Next G2 and then the Vibrant.
http://androidevolutions.com/2010/1...wervr-sgx540-hummingbird-in-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Hummingbird wins in one area of GPU only. in all other areas G2 wins. Which is slightly inferior to myt4g processor.
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You could very well be correct but I kinda wanna see the tests once the Galaxy S phones get Froyo for a fair comparison. It is a known fact that Froyo adds somewhat of a boost to graphics performance seen by older Snapdragon processor phones performing better in graphics benchmarks after updating to Froyo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I am right but from using both phones, it seems like the Vibrant is able to handle 720p HD videos and games a little better (the games could be due to devs not coding the games properly for the new Adreno 205). If you guys wanna see a comparison, I say you run the same games and HD videos side by side, and not rely too much on benchmark numbers. What I find interesting is that, the video frames are noticeably smoother on the Vibrant when running the Quadrant benchmark.

waiaung1 said:
You could very well be correct but I kinda wanna see the tests once the Galaxy S phones get Froyo for a fair comparison. It is a known fact that Froyo adds somewhat of a boost to graphics performance seen by older Snapdragon processor phones performing better in graphics benchmarks after updating to Froyo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I am right but from using both phones, it seems like the Vibrant is able to handle 720p HD videos and games a little better (the games could be due to devs not coding the games properly for the new Adreno 205). If you guys wanna see a comparison, I say you run the same games and HD videos side by side, and not rely too much on benchmark numbers. What I find interesting is that, the video frames are noticeably smoother on the Vibrant when running the Quadrant benchmark.
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Froyo does it no good as far as the GPU. It is designed to enhance optimize the CPU. JIT. Which is why even with JIT activated on the leaked froyo (att) it didn't improve in MFLOPS where the Qualcomm processors did. (5) times improvement. AS for games. I have been playing asphalt on the myt4G and it is a better experience then the vibrant. (butter)
The above poster is right when he says that HTC does better with Android then Samsung. All the Samsung Android devices had problems. Most notably, no support. HTC makes better Android devices. Period.

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Froyo does it no good as far as the GPU. It is designed to enhance optimize the CPU. JIT. Which is why even with JIT activated on the leaked froyo (att) it didn't improve in MFLOPS where the Qualcomm processors did. (5) times improvement. AS for games. I have been playing asphalt on the myt4G and it is a better experience then the vibrant. (butter)
The above poster is right when he says that HTC does better with Android then Samsung. All the Samsung Android devices had problems. Most notably, no support. HTC makes better Android devices. Period.
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I know JIT mostly improves CPU performance but phones such as the Nexus One did get a little bit of a GPU jump in graphics benchmarks after getting Froyo. The reason I think is because these graphics benchmarks are not 100% GPU only; a little bit of CPU is involved as well. An example of a CPU affecting graphics is the PS3, the CPU does wonders for it which is evident through amazing graphics in first party games like uncharted 2 because the system is being used more efficiently. Another thing that Froyo adds is better memory management (unlocks hi mem and manages it better) which should also affect these scores a little IMO. I just don't think it's a fair comparison until the Vibrant receives the actual Froyo update, that's all I'm saying. It could be the case that they are even or that the adreno 205 is better, we'll find out once Froyo arrives.
P.S I whole-heartedly agree with you two that HTC makes a lot better android phones, heck phones in general, than Samsung.

scroll stutter

Why is the scroll stutter in sensation or in Android in general? WM7 or iPhone has it smooth from their first phone release.. is it something to do with screen refresh rate? Or its more OS related? Dont tell me that your android is smooth as hell..
For example when i scroll the app drawer or the settings page, i see stutter. I admit that some places (in some ROM) its smooth but most places its not. For instance, if you pan photos, its smooth.. but you scroll settings it stutters.
From a noob perspective i am guessing iphone handles "everything" like a image.. so scrolling, zooming, panning is smooth like we do on photos.. and i guess android renders as text or something else... just my wild stupid guess..
And, is there a way to fix this? or the android OS needs to be re-written? I am upset because sensation is much higher configuration than iphone 3gs. But the stutter present in sensation (even with any ROM) is not in 3gs. So i dont beleive its hardware..
Is it the screen and the capacity touch technique used by apple? i saw one video where the iphone screen is performed almost 99% close to maximum touch accuracy and sensitivity than any other phones..
see the video below..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/moto-touchscreen-comparison-recruits-robotic-implements-for-heig/
so what do you developers think?
1) Touch screen itself
2) capacitive touch technique / code used by apple
3) screen refresh rate
4) GPU rendering
5) the way OS handles the screen and images
I cant think anything else from my noob brain.. but you developers can.. anything can be done to fix this? From OS perspective.. not like my 'contacts' scroll smooth but not the browser?!

its a matter of display, its well known fact that iFail has top notch displays, whats on the other hand, basically the only possitive fact on that thing. So yes it is Apple's screen, same goes for iPad. Btw as for WP7, i own HD7 and its even worse then old Touch Cruise

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its a matter of display, its well known fact that iFail has top notch displays, whats on the other hand, basically the only possitive fact on that thing. So yes it is Apple's screen, same goes for iPad. Btw as for WP7, i own HD7 and its even worse then old Touch Cruise
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If its all about display, how come cheap replacement display units from online can achieve the same thing in iPhone?
It got a be something else...

It's because of hardware acceleration. Too lazy to explain it now
Swyped from my HTC Sensation

iPhone uses the graphics processor to handle everything, not just games/videos/flash. The whole front end (UI) uses the GPU (graphics processor) in order to make everything look smooth. In a way, this is sort of a limitation of android. Hopefully Ice Cream Sandwich fixes it (it is rumoured to).

Bernardos70 said:
iPhone uses the graphics processor to handle everything, not just games/videos/flash. The whole front end (UI) uses the GPU (graphics processor) in order to make everything look smooth. In a way, this is sort of a limitation of android. Hopefully Ice Cream Sandwich fixes it (it is rumoured to).
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It's because of hardware acceleration. Too lazy to explain it now
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
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Had to disagree. If its GPU rendering why the scroll is smooth in gallary? why not in other text related lists? Android uses GPU only in image and videos?

Im going to take a guess here but i think its to do with hardware acceleration, coding infact of the operating system like apple code all their interfaces to be bosted from the gpu, however with android i would say that not everything is coded to run with the gpu and actually id say there isn't anything but if someone could list the support for what is that would help. From what i can find only things like the internet browser and games are in sync with cpu and gpu.

Maybe it's not only related to GPU acceleration because I'm running InsertCoin 2.2.2 ROM and ADWLauncher EX. With the stock kernel that comes with IC 2.2.2 the appdrawer and pretty much everything else (with some exceptions) is "iPhone-smooth" but when I tried the Unity 7.0 kernel I saw much more stuttering.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that Android is multi-tasking, real multi-tasking that is. iOS and WP7 (I think, haven't touched it in forever cause it's complete trash) do some save-state multi-tasking crap. Should scrolling be affected by this? I don't think performance should ever be sacrificed. But I think a lot of stuttering in the Android UI comes from it thinking about so many things at once.

I think the gallery is hardware accelerated.
Some things are, some things aren't. Comparison for ya: use Opera then Use the stock browser. Opera is hardware accelerated (uses GPU for rendering). See how smooth it is? Now use the stock browser and compare.
Don't quote me on this, but I'm quite sure that is one of the biggies ICS is supposed to fix.
Somehow, I think Samsung has implemented hardware acceleration for the Browser on their Galaxy S and S II line of phones. This was first noticeable when the Galaxy S got upgraded from Eclair to Froyo: the browser was much smoother (albeit glitchier.... mind you, these don't necessarily go hand in hand, you can certainly make a hardware accelerated browser without the glitches).
I think that's as far as that goes. Try a hardware accelerated video player like diceplayer (free 14 day trial in the market). Try playing a 720p or even 1080p video with it. It'll be smooth. Now go into options and change the renderer to software. Now it won't be hardware accelerated. And it'll be a slideshow.

It seems to me more of an issue of software optimization. Try scrolling with Sense 3.0 and then compare it to a sense-less rom, completely different. And then things change again depending on which launcher you choose to use. The Sensation's hardware is completely capable of buttery-smooth scrolling, it's just a matter of time till developers iron out the small kinks in their roms.

it looks like everyone thinks GPU is the reason for ios smooth scrolling. well, do you really think the first iphone released in 2007 has a powerful GPU and used for everything ios does? the 2007 first iphone does the scrolling smooth and the 2011 sensation cannot. i strongly believe its not the hardware!!! i guess there something wrong in the basics and google let samsung and htc finding their own solutions for some of the apps they create on top of android.
something else is wrong and since the users are not greatly concerned (or expressed) about this, this is not fixed yet. I wish and hope ICS fix this issue somehow..

I have been trying to find additional information about this issue and the truth is that this is the only thread that people have actually started to talk about it. If i got this right you are refering to the periodic stutter within scrolling in android and not any asynchronous glitches. Even though many blame GPUs, non HW acc. interfaces and so on, to me its a clear cut situation of refresh rates/fps clashes. Its the same scenario of outputing a 24fps movie to 60Hz monitor where ull get the same kind of periodic stutter (something almost eliminated when u switch to 50Hz). Its got nothing to do with wether the monitor is CRT or LCD, it all comes down to refresh rate vs fps. Ive clearly seen that on my O2x where, hdmi mirroring (on a 60Hz FullHD TV) is perfectly fluent while there are some visible periodic stutters everywhere within the android enviroment, except 3D applications. And what do you know.. The O2X's display has a 72Hz refresh rate! Isnt there anywhere within the android OS where devs/users can have a go with this? Changing the ' transmiting' fps of the whole OS? Let me know what u think sundar

Google Nexus Prime specs!

Possible nexus prime specs:
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP 4460 Cortex A9 (1,2 GHz).
Screen: 1280 x 720 Super AMOLED HD 4,65"
OS: Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
RAM: 1 GB RAM
Int. Memory: 32 GB
Back Camera: 5 Mpix
Front Camera: 1,3 Mpix
Movie recording in full 1080p
Wireless connectivity: LTE or HSPA (depends on operator)
NFC enabled!
9 mm thin
1750 mAh battery!

Would you mind telling us your source?

i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.

lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
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This is the original source from BGR.com:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/06/samsung-galaxy-nexus-full-specs-revealed-verizon-wireless-exclusive/
And your arguments about the camera specs are right, when you just look at the hype about megapixel. But the image sensor is much more important for the quality of a picture. So i would like it to see the nexus prime with a better sensor, and less mp.
If you are interested, you can search for "megapixel vs. image sensor"
http://www.laesieworks.com/digicom/MP.html
If your camera has to be a compact, be sure to get a big sensor (1/1.6" or 1/1.7") and not too much megapixels.
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Processor is 1.5 ghz dual core afaik, and camera is 8MP at back and 2 or 3 MP at front. Internal memory may not be 32gb , it will be 16gb.
Also battery is rumoured to be 1850 MHz.
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pretty fast battery

Well it will depend on the new android ics, how much it sucks battery out.
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lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Well I have actually used all three that are best in the business- samsung galaxy s 2, n8 and se arc se ARC has the best camera of all three and sg2 has also a better camera then n8 so 12 MP s don't really matter when u don't have optical zoom, the quality matter and arc outstands both sgs2 and n8 !
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A little disappointed with the hardware (processor was rumoured differently, for one) but it's still going to be one hell of a phone.

What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.

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What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.
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Good you pointed out about screen as many people including you have a little bit misunderstanding about bigger screens- a bigger screen doesn't mean a very big phone. they reduce the extra space from edges and boundaries to make screen big( give a nice look at sgs2 and sgs2 HD lte and you'll notice that sgs2 has a big home button which is more of a square whereas sgs2 hd lte has a mere small rectangle home button so they have reduced spaces for sure and also the small buttons will be till convinient to press), now the big fact in case of Samsung galaxy nexus or nexus prime is that it wont have those capacitive, back, menu ,home(mostly hard key) buttons, Those will be replaced by on screen buttons so more space reduced for bigger screen. All other things you pointed out will be made cleared once the ics and new device is itself released but about touch responsiveness - all smartphones these days have nearly same touch sensors which are gr8 but the thing which makes apple devices smoother and more responsive is GPU acceleration, which is very good in apple's ios then in android that's why many people were asking the Guy who got the ics equipped nexus s that ' did you feel gr8 touch responsiveness on your nexus s ?'. I am also looking forward to this event to know that will ics have gpu accelearion or not.
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Nexus Prime correct Specs
CORRECT SPECS:
http://www.gsmarena.com/source_close_to_google_reveals_real_nexus_prime_specs-news-3239.php
"According to our source, the device codenamed Nexus Prime is going to ship with Samsung's own chipset, with a blazingly fast dual-core processor clocked at 1.5GHz. But wait, there's more.
On that chipset will also reside a powerful dual-core GPU from Imagination. We suspect it's going to be the PowerVR SGX543MP2, or in other words, the same GPU found in the iPad 2 (and quite probably on the iPhone 4S as well).
On the back, instead of the 5-megapixel snapper, our source claims, there's an 8-megapixel, full 1080p HD video-shooting camera with some sort of an improved sensor. As for the battery, expect a 2050mAh one (do we hear a whoa?), which should be good for a couple of days use without charging.
The Nexus Prime will also be LTE-enabled, but the most interesting part is that it would probably boast a dual-mode GSM/CDMA radio, just like the Apple iPhone 4S.
All those specifications sound almost too nice to be true, but keeping in mind the advertisement for the Nexus Prime, prompting us that "something BIG is coming", we won't be surprised if all of these purported specs turn out to be real.
What we do know for sure is that the head-turning 4.65-inch, 1280x720 pixels screen is definitely a go. Whatever the truth might be, we'll definitely find out on October 11, which is just a few days from now."

New Sidekick (4G LX?) Wish List

Any Wish Lists for what the Sidekick 4G LX (I am guesstimating the new name of the Next Generation model) should have??
My list:
* A bigger screen (closer to 4 inches).
* Full Unicode Support, including manual entry of symbols (like Alt+#### on PCs and similar to older Sidekicks). Support for a wider array of symbols via the Symbols key (customizable??).
* More built-in memory.
* LED lights that are accessible to a wider array of apps (not just the built-in ones).
* Smiley Button that works in ALL apps, not just the built-in Texting app
* If you have to add bloatware (like DriveSmart) allow it to be easily uninstalled.
*Allow customizable color themes.
*provide a better font where it is clear the difference between l (lower L) I and 1 (like the older sidekicks did)
Any others you want to add to the list??

I'd be fine with retaining the screen we have now, though stretching it out to the borders of the case does sound nice. The bigger priorities for me would be to add a faster CPU, some extra memory, and get ICS. An HDMI output would be a nice bonus, but definitely not a requirement.
Despite what HTC says, I don't want my cell phone to be the thickness of a playing card. I quite like the chunky shape of the Sidekick and would much much much much much much much much much much much rather have that than an angular and awkward iPhone 4-shaped phone with shorter battery life. Really thin phones are weird to hold, and the battery life is short enough as it is with our chunky battery.

is it confirmed there making one? id like a bigger screen and a dual core, but thats about all.

Nothing specific other than saying they are not retiring the brand and hope to release a new version in the future.

I'd possibly be going on the crazy end of the spectrum for a great sidekick 4g/5g/lte whatev
5" screen with a keyboard that slides out (similar to the OQO model 2) with a full qwerty like the sidekick but with aswell a mouse button.
REAL GORILLA GLASS!!
on the face of the device would be captive touch buttons similar to ones found on the captivate/vibrant
A Texas instrument based cpu dual core preferably (TI because they are more friendly with source code)
1gb of ram
8gb internal memory aswell as a microSD slot
petaband radio similar to the one in the galaxy note so it will work just about anywyere with gsm
HDMI output
Sound chipset that has background filtering
ICS with as little reskinning as possible
probably will never happen but a mad man can dream can't he?

pintek said:
on the face of the device would be captive touch buttons similar to ones found on the captivate/vibrant
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Why? The reason I own the SK4G is that it is the only phone besides the G1 with a 5-row keyboard and Hard-buttons. Making the hard-buttons capacitive is a deal-breaker for me! At least the Back button must be clicky hardware, not "don't know if I pressed it or not" and "sometimes press it by mistake" capacitive soft-buttons).
If this phone had updated processor/memory, a better camera with flash (or awesome low-light performance), and a brighter edge-to-edge high-res screen, it would be perfect. NFC and HDMI-out would be a bonus.

I really like the design on this device(slightly tilted screen, physical buttons, GREAT keyboard), so I wouldn't mind if they continued this train of thought. But yeah, more RAM would be a must, to hopefully prevent the freezing and rebooting problems. And for me, a 3.7 in. screen would be cool, and a better camera. And also, improve the trackpad.

I know what we need. Replace the utterly useless micro optical trackpad! Give us a ball, a nub, a much bigger optical trackpad, ANYTHING!
Also, an inverted T set of arrow keys in the keyboard would be spectacular.

TI OMAP Processor
2GB RAM
16GB/32GB Variants
Android 4.0.4
4" Screen Gorilla Glass
Slide-out Keyboard

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TI OMAP Processor
2GB RAM
16GB/32GB Variants
Android 4.0.4
4" Screen Gorilla Glass
Slide-out Keyboard
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sounds expensive

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sounds expensive
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Sounds like the S3 but better.
Sounds like a Galaxy Nexus 2.

10" screen
100 QuBits RAM
Slide out 5 row keyboard
9 Terahertz Quint core processor
And a particle accelerator attachment
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Slide out 5 row keyboard
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lol. See, at least one thing on that ultimate list is obtainable. Too bad the phone mfgs don't get it and make more of them.

With a screen that big, you could have a Function Key row and a number pad! It will end up looking like the new tablet with a slide out keyboard..

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With a screen that big, you could have a Function Key row and a number pad! It will end up looking like the new tablet with a slide out keyboard..
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LOL that would look ridiculous
Sent from my Sensation using XDA

If there's going to be another sidekick, i'd avoid it like the plague if it's from samsung again. It says a lot when they get the keyboard drivers wrong on at least two phones. Also, touchwiz.
Here's what i'm hoping on the next sidekick, if we see another one:
- Dual core 1 GHz or more CPU
- 1GB RAM
- 5 row keyboard
- 4 inch screen (i don't mind bigger, but i think 4 inch is the most likely size, and should please most people)
- 960x540 screen (800x480 is getting a little outdated, though it's still a good resolution)
... and interestingly enough, this phone leaked a few days back with similar specs i listed, and i'm already eyeing it: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-Cayenne_id7120
I don't know the general opinion of LG around here, but I've had a good experience with my ancient LG GW620 and its lovely 5 row keyboard, though it was slow as hell and uses a CPU that's even older than the G1.

Jax184 said:
I know what we need. Replace the utterly useless micro optical trackpad! Give us a ball, a nub, a much bigger optical trackpad, ANYTHING!
Also, an inverted T set of arrow keys in the keyboard would be spectacular.
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The optical trackthing is useless, agreed. The sun and other heat sources create more input on it than I do. Or did, before I disabled it and forgot about its existence.
Real arrow keys would be nice, but I remapped the insipid smiley key to the up arrow, and the only-ever-pressed-accidentally microphone key to down arrow. So I can at least get around in my command history.
Apart from that, as others have said, more RAM (I'll go so far as to say 1.5 GB), although I don't really feel the need for a faster processor. 5 GHz 802.11n would be nice.
And last but not least... better code drops from the manufacturer. Samsung and T-Mobile did the bare minimum to comply with the GPL. TI internals would be a good start. Fewer proprietary peripherals, more open ones.
And under no circumstances may the keyboard be reduced in number of rows, spacing, or tactile quality.

I want my d-pad and hardware trackball back.
And, I want my pop/swivel hinge back.
There's no harm in putting that d-pad back. I am tired of hearing people that play games on their phone complain that a phone looks like you could play a game on it.
Devolution is real.

As a SK supporter since the day i had to plug my redic dot matrix camera into my bric err cinderblock black and white OG sidekick "1g" and my mr cartoon sk2 and the overhyped overpriced no difference but a lil thinner and a flashy rollerball with same booty screen sk3 (they lost me to crackberry during the whole slide lx dwade ed 07 08 09 new sk every month bs) id like to say the typical dual core 4+ inch screen 1gb+ ram as most but by the time this thing actually would come out u gotta imagine the landscape of the future androids. ics is already internally being considered a flop or to be politically correct a "gateway"(windoze me millenium ed if u will)to intertwine both tablet and phone interfaces and to make way for the more slightly desktop interfaced and integrated android 5 already in testing and rumored to make a q4 this year debut...so in other words q3 next yr if we r lucky.(its coming eventually, phone tablet and chromebooks all running the same android) so seeing how the sidekick has historically been behind the ball as far as tech ill just be happy with a galaxy s2 running ics built into a SK package. i tried to pretend when i 1st upgraded to the s2 with a bt keyboard and rigged case but nothing and i mean nothing out today beats the sidekick layout and keyboard. give me the s2 guts in a sk package and a below 500 pricetag a year from today and im happy, bigger higher res screen is a must but for petes sake...dont forget the freaking camera flash this time!
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orange808 said:
I want my d-pad and hardware trackball back.
And, I want my pop/swivel hinge back.
There's no harm in putting that d-pad back. I am tired of hearing people that play games on their phone complain that a phone looks like you could play a game on it.
Devolution is real.
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prefer but dont really care about the hinge but ditto on the rollerball, tho it jams with dust and the d pad. this new joystick sucks balls. btw while we r dreaming. quad core the b 2gb ram 32gb internal 64gb external sdxc and a 5 inch hd screen 8+MP cam w/flash! all with the sidekick layout/keyboard and id shell out 1500 bucks right now lol samsung would prolly just jack it up with gingerbread or some crap

I'm quite happy with the hinge design we have now. It's very strong and solid. Much more so than the classic Sidekick mechanism. I've yet to see a Sidekick 4G with the screen broken off. But I've seen older sidekicks in two pieces.
I suspect it also allows the phone to be thinner, but I can't confirm that.

Is it slow in camera functions?

In the Techradar review it mentioned they found it slow to move from shot to shot & slow saving. How fair a comment is this?
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/nokia-lumia-1020-1165253/review

Well, its no DSLR, but I've not missed a shot due to it being slow. It is saving larger than most Phones sized pics, so its would not be surprising if it took a few more milliseconds.
The pluses way out number any perceived minuses in my book...

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Well, its no DSLR, but I've not missed a shot due to it being slow. It is saving larger than most Phones sized pics, so its would not be surprising if it took a few more milliseconds.
The pluses way out number any perceived minuses in my book...
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Do you think the review was unfair in this respect then?

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Do you think the review was unfair in this respect then?
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The camera is a little slower than what I am used to, but it takes great shots. If timing is an issue I tend to use the Nokia Pro Cam application as my lens. It takes several pictures in rapid succession and overcomes this issue.
Overall, the phone and camera are exceptional in my opinion. Like everything else, there are some small tradeoffs.

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The camera is a little slower than what I am used to, but it takes great shots. If timing is an issue I tend to use the Nokia Pro Cam application as my lens. It takes several pictures in rapid succession and overcomes this issue.
Overall, the phone and camera are exceptional in my opinion. Like everything else, there are some small tradeoffs.
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Can I widen this out & ask owners of the 1020 how fair in general they felt that review was?

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Can I widen this out & ask owners of the 1020 how fair in general they felt that review was?
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I would say it is a pretty fair review of the platform more so than the phone specifically.
I find that there is an app for almost everything I need on the platform, but I am not a super active social media person checking in every few minutes on 10 different platforms.
The phone itself is smooth and I have yet to experience any snags. The reviewer makes mention of the camera making it weird to hold. I actually find that it helps it from slipping out of my hand and prevents the camera from laying against surfaces when you put the phone down. Who would have thought that a large growth coming out of a phone would actually have some appeal to me.
Just for balance I will mention that I use an android tablet, so this is not some MS/Nokia pitch. It is just a really nice phone.
Now they just need to release the wireless charging cover so I can stop missing my 920 so much.
Hope this helps someone.

The review is written by an obvious iOS fanboy. He bags on Win 8 constantly. Ok, I'm 54, so I can give a rats ass about no Instagram or Vine, yet I can find any app I want and i probably have close to 100 already. From Formula One to Yelp. And wow, its too much for him to swipe down a bit to check his email. Yes, I think it was a highly biased review. Waiting on the Anandtech review myself, but doesn't matter. I've had it over a week and dig it over all. It fast, games are good, surfing great, screen doesn't really show the finger prints like my Samsung Focus did.

I was a bit bemused by his comments about notifications as I wouldn't say iOS was the greatest on this under the current version.

the procam app takes an extra second to save an image, but it's also saving a 5mp and a 38mp (?) image at the same time, so it's a given. if quick auto setting type images are needed, the stock camera lens as well as the nokia smartshot (?) lens both take fast pictures.

Camera Sensor Speed
The Giant Sensor speed is too low for Slow Motion.
It would be enough for 720P@60FPS but not for higher Framerates.
Also the Delay between 2 Pictures is toooo long.
The Processing power is like the Galaxy S2 or so...
Wait for the Nokia Lumia 1030 with Galaxy Note 4 Processing Power and 50 Megapixel Sensor.
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