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RANT:Check out the new forums

To all of those who feel it necessary to create a separate forum for you rom, please stop. I understand that donations do not make you a lot of money, and that the pay per hour of cooking is probably well under the minimum wage in most countries. And, that opening new forums allows you to collect your own ad revenues, or maybe even harvest emails.
The amazing roms that come out of XDA are the result of collaboration between the thousands of people working out one fix at a time. Moving that knowledge else where creates a headache for people who simply want support for your rom.
Sometimes the XDA format can be a drag.
Having only one thread for an entire rom can bury good information, but...
searching through a thread is a lot less of a mess than having to sign up for a new forum every time you want to get the newest version of a rom, or find a fix implemented by a chef.
I understand that a chef's roms are the fruits of his or her efforts, and that he or she can do what they please with them (according to some interpreations of the law). But much of the progress that allows us to cook came as a result of people openly sharing information on XDA.

I don't see the problem it's really the person decision making the rom. I really hate searching through hundreds of posts to find info and would like to be able to have an easier way. I wish my rom did have it's own forum. Its not like they cant ask here or the rom cant be posted here. I am sure the cooker will support both since he will receive donations from both sources.

Use search link in my sign, its a lot easier and faster to search this forum. I agree there is tons of information in here. And most of all, anything that you can think of has been asked before, all you have to know is how to search, and you will find the information you want. So starting a new thread unless you are contributing is just waste of server space!

I'll take this spot to reinforce what Travito says in the next post. Phoenix is a community driven rom and the Phoenix forum helps us prioritize what we include in a build, the fixes we do and allows us to have a very collaborative process. We do post general fixes on xda.
The OP also doesn't realize the collaboration that goes on behind the scenes between the chefs, moderators and other developers that drive the general improvements in all of the roms that are being produced. This is especially true in the Kaiser community. It is this sharing that drives innovation and improvements. This process isn't necessarily one that I would want out in the open since it is iterative and tedious at times. It takes a long time to fix bugs but we all share our experiences.
One last thing, we on the Phoenix team do NOT accept donations, solicit donations or put advertising on our forum...You see we do this because we believe in helping the community. I am not disrespecting those chefs that accept donations because circumstances vary and needs vary. I am just stating that a private forum is NOT about making money.
Parley

okay, now that my little gaffe is out of the way from being in Parley's account when i posted that, though I'm sure his opinions are similar...
We on the Phoenix team have a seperate forum because it allows for easier bug tracking. XDA threads consist mainly of "Thank yous" so it seems, and you need to realize that we all have normal jobs and social lives. When we do get time to dedicate to XDA, it becomes very tedious and time consuming trying to sort through all the thank yous and trying to figure out which issues have already been addressed by fellow Phoenix users and which are still open.
PDC lets us bug track much more similarly to a piece of Helpdesk or Knowledgebase software, except the Forum basis allows for collaboration on solutions.
Most problems that get posted at PDC are ROM-specific, and not present on every ROM. If we find a fix that others could use back at XDA, we let the other chefs that we work with know and share the knowledge.
If that bothers you then I suppose your problem is actually with the advancement of ROM support and task management.

I'm behind whatever the Chef's feel they need to do and Travito is spot on with the ammount of work just to bypass thankyou or the monotomous problem that has been answered a million times......
Without the chefs here i would have a very dull phone, infact no i would have an n73
So to chefs do as you wish just produce the awesome ROMs you do!! And i wont make a new thread!! JK

Yeah um who cares? Private forums are good for cooking teams and anyone who wants to follow the ROM dev closer.

soulbandaid said:
To all of those who feel it necessary to create a separate forum for you rom, please stop. I understand that donations do not make you a lot of money, and that the pay per hour of cooking is probably well under the minimum wage in most countries. And, that opening new forums allows you to collect your own ad revenues, or maybe even harvest emails.
The amazing roms that come out of XDA are the result of collaboration between the thousands of people working out one fix at a time. Moving that knowledge else where creates a headache for people who simply want support for your rom.
Sometimes the XDA format can be a drag.
Having only one thread for an entire rom can bury good information, but...
searching through a thread is a lot less of a mess than having to sign up for a new forum every time you want to get the newest version of a rom, or find a fix implemented by a chef.
I understand that a chef's roms are the fruits of his or her efforts, and that he or she can do what they please with them (according to some interpreations of the law). But much of the progress that allows us to cook came as a result of people openly sharing information on XDA.
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you know u shouldnt have started a new thread for this, your just wasting space this thread should be closed and thread starter should be warned of starting this bogus thread in the kaiser rom dev forum

msd24200 said:
you know u shouldnt have started a new thread for this, your just wasting space this thread should be closed and thread starter should be warned of starting this bogus thread in the kaiser rom dev forum
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why ? I think a lot of good info and intentions came from it.....if there is nothing to hide then why curtail legit threads..huh? if you do not like the threads do not read it..simple
..free flow of info is important to this site..remember the only dumb questionis the one not ask.
OP got the answers he was looking for, and some darn good ones...i to was wondering why private forums were being created instead of being kept on this site...

F2504x4 said:
why ? I think a lot of good info and intentions came from it.....if there is nothing to hide then why curtail legit threads..huh? if you do not like the threads do not read it..simple
..free flow of info is important to this site..remember the only dumb questionis the one not ask.
OP got the answers he was looking for, and some darn good ones...i to was wondering why private forums were being created instead of being kept on this site...
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I agree. Frankly, I used to follow XDA and loved it. But there are so many egotistical, immature, thread Nazis and other not so nice users, lot's of time is wasted reading their nonsense. Anyway, yesterday was the 1st day back after months and I was skeptical about the Phoenix team, but after reading this thread, I'm going to check them out for sure.
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F2504x4 said:
why ? I think a lot of good info and intentions came from it.....if there is nothing to hide then why curtail legit threads..huh? if you do not like the threads do not read it..simple
..free flow of info is important to this site..remember the only dumb questionis the one not ask.
OP got the answers he was looking for, and some darn good ones...i to was wondering why private forums were being created instead of being kept on this site...
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DOES NOT AID IN "KAISER ROM DEVELOPMENT" enough said

Organizing the roms

Hey, can we possibly organize the ROMs in this section, if not in all of XDA already.
Make a thread and organize based on the base ROM, or based on the Developer or something. Its just so cluttered.
The way androidspin does it is great. I have webdev experience and am willing to help out.
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, but since it is related to ROM development, I thought it was relevant.

We need to have categories that separate rom types so eclair wont be in the same place as hero and we need mods or think tanks to be in its on sub forum too.

for me that is great idea

Too bad it won't ever happen. Seems like XDA doesn't give a crap about anything anymore...

I've been wishing that they were organized by types, (eclair, hero, etc.) for a long time now too.

+1 for organising by 'Flavour'

why reinvent the wheel when andriodspin does what you're looking for (including link to xda release threads)..?
further, maintaining a list like that (especially in vbulletin thread format) would be a huge chore that would require intimate knowlege of each and every rom that gets posted.
I used to maintain a list of ROMs in my stickied thread until there were more than a handful.
all that being said...if you want to maintain such a list, more power to you. I'm sure people would find it useful.

Agreed,
The problem is some of the roms here tend to get missed by Android spin, especially if they have just been released, or the dev does not use AS.
Also, this would be very beneficial to WinMo users not just Android users.
I am throwing the idea out there hoping that people are in agreement, and we can get XDA to allow us to start working on.
Rather than yet another thread, it would make sense to have a dedicated ROMS page.

alapapa said:
why reinvent the wheel when andriodspin does what you're looking for (including link to xda release threads)..?
further, maintaining a list like that (especially in vbulletin thread format) would be a huge chore that would require intimate knowlege of each and every rom that gets posted.
I used to maintain a list of ROMs in my stickied thread until there were more than a handful.
all that being said...if you want to maintain such a list, more power to you. I'm sure people would find it useful.
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Q4T.
Besides, if a DEV doesn't bother to post to sites that have lists like AS, who's fault is that, but the DEV.

[VOTE] We need a dev team around ICS, no?

Hi
These last days, and this is a joy, a few new/or not developers are beginning to create roms on ICS.
Each rom has a difference with others, and i noticed some roms has qualities that are not found on others, but need the advantages of some others.
A few users asked it before, i offer today with this thread (i hope this is not a mistake, and that it will remains clean), to vote. The target is to ask to our developers to create a sort of developing team, around a "unic" rom.
Their competences put in common should be awsome, don't you think?
If you want to help me to make this thread known by developers, do not hesitate to link it in your signature, by this way, dev in the development section could see the result of the vote, that i hope to be YES
Thx for your responses, and please take this thread clean

Want a good idea !

Google is doing this. Wait for the official release...
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

It is called the CM team.... facepalm
FYI, Koush is an integral member of that team (not that they have been working on ICS as a team yet)

This is a terribly biased survey. Where's the option for "No, we'd like to see a diverse selection of Roms"
With all due respect, "Nope, i prefer lot of partially working roms" is a very suggestive option, that says you're critical of the current work, or just impatient.
Seriously dude, ics JUST CAME OUT. Teams will form, and work will get done in due time.
Patience, grasshopper.

Have you no humour?
If you say no, indeed it can be for other reasons..
In fact, the target is to reach an almost stable and fully functionnal BEFORE the official release...
after this, no need to have a team, on a official base, a dev can do something good alone.
As you like to call me grasshoper, and with all the due respect , i would like to call you embittered cod-fish.
Does it fit enough to you sir?

T959V Development Knowledge Base

Hi Guys
I made a suggestion in the "petition for devs" thread, but with all the excitement
it passed by all.
let me make some assumptions :
1. Most of us love android OS very much and the freedom it gives us.
2. Most of us want to try new ROMs every once in a while and want to customize it as much as possible.
3. Most of us are technological freaks, with a good sense of learning and interest in technology and its implementation.
4. Most of us would like to develop for this phone given the time and knowledge.
Regarding the time, we're working on a time machine, but till then, what do you say we found a knowledge base for our phone ?
I'm sure Krylon, DSexton, DrHonk, Raver, FBis, Soma, Fluip (forgive me if forget someone) wouldn't mind share with us their experience and insights.
If it takes too much time and resource it's worth a fund,
since this would make us know the difficulties and barriers and make some of us become new devs and revive this community and its content.
Please let me know what you think.
Sent from me.

I have a few questions on some obscure problems, and will be happy to share some knowledge when I get some answers.
...But, most of the devs are doing can be found by using google or your favorite search engine or searching locally here on the XDA Forum.
If you're new to XDA, awesome! Start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282679
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263
If you're new to rom dev, you can learn from the kitchens.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257297 (Dsixda's Kitchen)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=990829 (UOT Kitchen)
Then use your imagination and search other device forums and the "Android Development and Hacking" forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=564
If you're new to kernel development, I'd suggest learning git and getting comfortable browsing github and reading through changes to learn.
But by far, the best advise I can offer is how to ask smart questions: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
EDIT:Specifically: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell
Hope this is helpful!

Thanks a lot Behundven!
Is any of the links related to our special file system in t959v?
Sent from me

itzik2sh said:
Is any of the links related to our special file system in t959v?
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Well, I'm not a "rom chef". I like source code and specs/datasheets, and am not very good at reverse engineering.
Raver, Dsexton, Whitehawkx, and a lot of other could bring more insight.
You will gain more use of your 'knowledge to be' if you learn about Android instead of getting spoon fed tricks that are specific to this phone.
Try building AOSP and CyanogenMod for other phones (like i9000 on CM, or crespo on AOSP EDIT:Granted, don't try to run the output on your SGS4G! You could try it in an emulator.) just to get a feel for what it takes to build android from source. Doing this will also help you get all the right things installed on your build computer that you will need. (java jdk, toolchains, build required libraries, etc...)
I guarantee sgs4g will get cm7 (if not cm9 as well) in the future, and the knowledge you learn from building the other phones will come in handy when it is available.

How does one become part of a ROM project?

I am a computer science graduate that is looking to work on an existing ROM project in my spare time (ideally a popular one like CM10). How would I go about this? I don't mind starting small (doing code reviews and such), but I would like to be able to work up to actually submitting fixes and being part of a 'team'.
I don't have any specific Android development experience, but I know Java well and use it every day at my job. I am just not currently a part of any code projects in my spare time and would love to do something Android related now that I finally have one (even better if I could work on .
So...is this possible? What steps can I take towards this goal? Or is this a situation like 'you've got a lot to learn before you even think of joining a project'. Again, I have no Android-specific dev experience, but I learn quick and am eager to be a part of the Android development community. I want to be part of an existing team because I feel my strength lies in developing fixes and features, not in designing a ROM from the ground up.
Thanks in advance to anyone who replies and sorry If I shouldn't have posted this in a more specific Q&A forum as well.

Exoplanet25 said:
I am a computer science graduate that is looking to work on an existing ROM project in my spare time (ideally a popular one like CM10). How would I go about this? I don't mind starting small (doing code reviews and such), but I would like to be able to work up to actually submitting fixes and being part of a 'team'.
I don't have any specific Android development experience, but I know Java well and use it every day at my job. I am just not currently a part of any code projects in my spare time and would love to do something Android related now that I finally have one (even better if I could work on .
So...is this possible? What steps can I take towards this goal? Or is this a situation like 'you've got a lot to learn before you even think of joining a project'. Again, I have no Android-specific dev experience, but I learn quick and am eager to be a part of the Android development community. I want to be part of an existing team because I feel my strength lies in developing fixes and features, not in designing a ROM from the ground up.
Thanks in advance to anyone who replies and sorry If I shouldn't have posted this in a more specific Q&A forum as well.
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Your best bet is to start by trying to build a CM rom from source, play with GIT and get used to building android from source, then look towards a device you own, if there already a CM verion for it? if so perhaps talk with the dev thats in charge of it and see what you can help with.