So I was thinking about the issue of palm wrap. I think the implementation of it would be fairly simple. This would probably require root access, but I digress.
You would basically disregard any input happening within 1/8" - 1/4" on the border of the screen. Well not any inputs, but any prolonged inputs. Like the inputs that happen when your fingers hang off the edge of the screen, or the palm of your hand grazing the screen when you try to press something with your thumb.
There are very few programs that use the full screen, especially near the edges. If there are it would just be a matter of putting the anti-registration on hold when the app is in the foreground.
You could even create a setting for "fat" fingers and "slim" fingers. The fatter the finger, the further out you would disregard inputs from there.
The caveat being that you have to have it running on the system level. Now that google has finally added multi touch support on their apps, I wouldn't be surprised if you have access to input information on the system level.
(I know jack about making programs on adroid, but the rum is helping my mind think)
What do you guys think?
I haven't had palm wrap problems since I bought my seidio innocase. Adds a little beef to the unit as a whole (just a little, nothing major) but keeps my palm off the edges of the screen.
i like this idea simply because I do not want to buy any sort of case for the phone
Good idea my friend.
Just out of curiosity, does everyone here hold there phone in one hand and use the other to input anything? Because I can't see any palmwrap problem unless I do this.
I almost exclusively use my nexus with one hand doing inputs with my thumb if I'm not in landscape mode and I've never had any problems with palm wrap (I might be misunderstanding the concept completely though, so feel free to correct me).
I guess it depends on the length of your fingers the base of my thumb is what mostly affects one handed use for me.
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i like this idea simply because I do not want to buy any sort of case for the phone
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[off-topic] That is 'not' a good road to follow...get one of the soft cases or atleast the skins that you dont even notice it (personally I bought THIS and its amazing, has amazing 'grip' and it fits perfectly, unnoticeable).
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I dont seem to have this problem either. But it could be helpful to others with bigger hands maybe?
I have this problem sometimes and it is annoying as heck. I don't even think you need to go to all that trouble to fix it. I think just enabling multitouch on the dexktop might fix it. Don't know how difficult that would be though.
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can anyone who has had his phone for more than 10 minutes confirm that the little silver slider button on the side of the phone will stay attached to it??
it seems awefully flimsy... (the scroll wheel also)
does this pose a problem?
i have not got to test it yet as i just picked it up from the UPS office.... I CANT WAIT!!
Seems ok.
The Microsoft UI is outdated but the hardware seems solid enough.
Unfortunantly, the slider and scroll wheel are a bit flimsy.
True those controls are rather unhandy (something like the apple iPod's naviagtional wheel would bet more appropriate) but you don't HAVE to use them.
Luckily the scrollwheel is also 4-directional buttons, and that makes up a lot.
ok, i am glad that its not only mine that feels that way, i thought maybe i got a defective unit, but if they are all that way then what can we do!?? hopefully they stay together for a bit.
mine too. just the slider though. but to be honest i haven't really used it until now.
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mine too. just the slider though. but to be honest i haven't really used it until now.
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I'll just add that my slider is also pretty loose and jiggles around in its housing. But oddly enough, it is really difficult to push up or down! I have to hook my fingernail on the little raised area in the middle of the slider and push up or down with some considerable force in order to get the volume to change. I changed it to be a scroller with AEButton plus, but it was pretty much unuseable because of this fact, so I changed it back to volume - and I hardly ever use it.
Anyone else with the same experience?
ye p i got the same problem lol.
it does seem like a delicate deivce.
No problems whatsoever, feels better than the same buttons on the Artemis (P3300). The scrollwheel is a lot more precise for functions like adjusting volume and zooming in on photos than any directional button with repeat function could ever be.
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Slider and scroll wheel shouldn't be a problem, after 14 months of very hard use the similar items on Artemis have no problems...
thanks... for the response to these questions.
one cant be too worried about a product that they just shelled out a bunch of $$$ for.
as someone said, the slider is really used that much, but the scroll wheel still feels extremely cheap to me.
maybe had they had put a bit of resistance on it it would feel more "attached"
anyway, thanks...
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thanks... for the response to these questions.
one cant be too worried about a product that they just shelled out a bunch of $$$ for.
as someone said, the slider is really used that much, but the scroll wheel still feels extremely cheap to me.
maybe had they had put a bit of resistance on it it would feel more "attached"
anyway, thanks...
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That's funny - my scroll wheel is so tight that I can hardly get it to move! I have hold the TC in one hand and use my index finger in the other hand with pressure to get it to budge. Maybe it will loosen up with time. I hope so, cause it sucks for one handed use. Too bad we can't meet in the middle, xrrkrrkx!
Had to edit this post - I found that it was just because the air is so damn dry here this winter! My thumb is so dry, it just slips over the wheel instead of getting any friction. If I quickly lick the end of my thumb and then use the wheel, it works like a charm - just can't share my phone now! Now that I read this, that's probably more than you guys wanted to know!
can the G1 calculate surface area of a point touching it? or would it be possible to do that? it seems like it could work, but i'm not sure lol or else i wouldn't be asking this.
the reason i'm asking this is, we can make apps that emulate "pressure" so if someone barely taps the phone, it will have less surface area, and if someone presses the phone hard, it will have more surface area, there could be A LOT of things done with it
Don't see why not being it has been shown to be able to handle multi-touch. I agree though... would have many possible applications
yeah it could be used for games and such where u could see how fast you can match the weight on a weighing scale of some sort. i'm just saying it should be easy since we've seen multitouch on the phone. this would have an extra benefit over the iphone.
People are always asking for scales on touch screen devices and never get them.
Or finger painting with pressure driven line width or opacity!
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yeah it could be used for games and such where u could see how fast you can match the weight on a weighing scale of some sort. i'm just saying it should be easy since we've seen multitouch on the phone. this would have an extra benefit over the iphone.
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The scale idea wouldn't work on a capacitive screen. The sensor detects the area being touched and then approximates the center. The idea of a "pressure sensor" would have to adjust based on variances from the initial contact. My thumb would make a much bigger initial contact than my pinkey, that doesn't mean I'd be pushing any harder.
but it is basically inferred that everyone will be using their thumbs for these types of apps so it wouldn't matter. but HEY guess what? its basically proven that the G1 CAN infact determine "pressure"!! i've had this app for a while now, but i just recently opened it up again to mess with it, and to my surprise, i noticed that the app could tell how much "pressure" i was puttin on the screen. now i dont know if its actual pressure its calculating, or if its the surface area it is calculating, but it sure as hell knows the difference between a light, medium, and hard press.
the app is called BouncingBall in the games section (it would definately be the last place i would see a pressure sensitive app lol) it may seem like such a dull app (no offence) but it really is a great concept. try it out. you just click the screen, and a ball appears where you tapped the screen, and depending on how hard you tap the screen, the size of the balls differentiate. and i know it isn't a "how long you held the screen" type of thing, because i pressed the screen pretty hard a couple times very quickly. like a quick hard jab with my thumb lol. and the ball that was created was large. but anyways, test it out.
I'm not sure if pressure data is made available/enabled in Android, but the synaptics touchscreen and driver definitely do support pressure detection. Check out the driver in git:
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=ke...drivers/input/touchscreen/synaptics_i2c_rmi.c
and search for ABS_PRESSURE. Technically it's a misnomer as capacitive sensors don't deform or directly measure pressure in any way. "Pressure" is actually the change in capacitance as a finger (or any other object) approaches the touchscreen. It is used by the driver to determine thresholds for which the touchscreen should signal the system finger_down and finger_up events. Since no contact is needed to measure a capacitance change, the sensor may actually report a change in "pressure" even before the finger has touched the screen.
Still, I don't think this would be a very good idea for use as a user input. One reason is that everyone's physiology is different. My thumb lightly touching the screen may give a value of 10, whereas your thumb lightly touching the screen could give a value of 20. Another reason is that I don't think it would be very wise to encourage users to be liberally applying pressure to the screen.
It seems my trackpad is ever so slightly loose in its housing. I know it's a bit petty, but every time my fingers brush over it, it makes a slight noise as it shifts into another position.
And, it would have been great to actually have its button serve some sort of purpose - perhaps another home key?
Yes, mine does the same thing.
all i have played with do... on ALL devices BB's included
it functions just like the N1 TB, click to select
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Hey is anyone elses GTab's touch sensitivity kind of off?
I noticed, compared to the iPad and Galaxy Tab, some times it takes me 2-4x of tryinng to press something to get it going.
Its almost like the screen cant pick it up sometimes. And sometimes when scrolling, it selects things, when im just Trying to scroll..
Also the top left HOME button on screen is always iffy, most times ill need 2-4 more times 2 press it to get it going.
I am using TNT 2.2.
Anyone else noticed this? i feel like its hardware.
Definetely not as responsive as my EVO. Maybe its the cheap screen. I wish it could be fixed via software, but fat chance. I guess not all capacitive screens are created equal.
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Definetely not as responsive as my EVO. Maybe its the cheap screen. I wish it could be fixed via software, but fat chance. I guess not all capacitive screens are created equal.
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You nailed it. IMO Samsung has been making the best color screens for years.
Have had absolutely no problems with touchpad responsiveness from my gTab... Just as sensitive and responsive as my Dinc.
Really does seem like this hardware is hit or miss... Some tabs have no issues some have many.
You guys are just plain spoiled. I've gone through Palm IIIx to now the gTablet, and it just simply has the most responsive touch screen that I've ever used, but I've had recent experience with the dreadful Augen GT and the slightly less dreadful White Pandigital Novel, both of which had worse touch screens than other devices that I've used.
One thing that I do, do for the gTab though is to clean the screen quite a bit. At a minimum I do so before every use as I find the fingerprint/body oils buildup to be annoying in fairly short order and it might have some impact on touch responsiveness. It's the worst fingerprint magnet that I've ever seen actually...
No issues here with single touch sensitivity, pretty good on that. Just as good as my Nexus One. Multitouch and pinch-to-zoom still a bit flaky. I am hopeful that will be resolved by software and/or driver improvements, as it was on the Nexus One.
The only issues I have are when the screen is too dirty or too clean. When I really scrub and clean the glass off entirely, at first it's a bit too "sticky" almost when my finger contacts it - maybe that's because it's winter here in the Northeast and my skin is dry. Once I've used it a bit and it gets some finger grease on it, it works perfectly. But if it gets grit or solid dirt on it, that can definitely interfere with the touch screen too, as with any capacitive screen.
I suspect the optimal thing would be a really good screen protector that's easy to clean and has that smooth finger contact feeling out of the box, like the iPad's glass does, for example, which I think has something to do with the oleophobic coating.
Typing this on my gtablet. The issue for me is the keyboard. There are parts of the screen that are unresoonsive making some letters not get tapped. The A key and l keys in particular. As a result I can't type smoothly or naturally because I will make several errors along the way. This does not happen onky iphone or my wires ipad.
it might bemy rrleason for sending it back as it takes too ongoing totyr correctly and I get tire d of all the corrections.
Well if your using the stock tnt keyboard, it sucks. We can learn from the ipad, with the size of the screen it has huge keys that cover a lot more of the screen then our stock tnt keyboard. I use smart keyboard pro with the key heights set to maximum and it works so much better, like 100x better. Even has voice to text.
Can people check their keyboard? I find that if I type most of the keys they type fine. However, the letter a key seems to only work when pressed offcenter which prevents. From typing properly as I must deliberately slow down and make sure it is correctly typed otherwise I get many errors. Could this be a defect in my screen?
Or is this a ui problem with tnt?
This could be a deal breaker as I misspelled every word if. Has h letter A
Letter A
I have the same problem with the letter A, and sometimes P. Otherwise touch is great
Figured why this tablet is driving me nuts. There are two dead zones on this tablet. Someone please do this test so I can figure out if this is just my tablet or all g tablets.
Download mulitouch vis test. Do rapid light touches in the area where the 'a' key is and delete key are. If I do this test in the middle of the screen it registers every single tap. But in those two areas I can sometimes tap 10 times in a row and not have a single tap register.
If this all g tablets then I think it's going back.
Also is there a keyboard with arrow keys? Trying to place the cursor can be a real pain.
Agreed bout the dead spots. The stock tap n tap western keyboard seems tominimize them due to the angles but if I try another keyboard I miss the a and the return button all the time
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Figured why this tablet is driving me nuts. There are two dead zones on this tablet. Someone please do this test so I can figure out if this is just my tablet or all g tablets.
Download mulitouch vis test. Do rapid light touches in the area where the 'a' key is and delete key are. If I do this test in the middle of the screen it registers every single tap. But in those two areas I can sometimes tap 10 times in a row and not have a single tap register.
If this all g tablets then I think it's going back.
Also is there a keyboard with arrow keys? Trying to place the cursor can be a real pain.
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Downloaded the app as well because I, too, am having the same screen non-responsiveness issue. Lo and behold the area where the "L" key is is a pretty dead spot. It would register about 40% of the quick taps I did in that area. Is this is a software issue? If so, I can live with it and hope our wonderful devs release a software build that resolves this otherwise, this thing may be going back because it's driving me up the wall!
I do see the occasional missed tap here and there, but no consistent dead areas that I've noticed (the A and L buttons on keyboard seem fine to me).
Multitouch sensitivity is wayyyyy mis-calibrated though - you have to use very heavy finger presses to get multitouch to register. This is some sort of driver or calibration issue that should be easily solved.
I found a binary called TSCalibration in the /system/bin directory on my VEGAn ROM G Tablet. Tried running it from terminal, but it seems to be looking for a calibration.ini file on the SDCard. I'd be willing to bet we could figure out how to fix some of the touchscreen issues with some work, because I suspect they are principally software related.
If your issues with the touchscreen are anything like this...exchange it...
My new one requires very little effort if any at all to get the screen to respond...
However, if you're talking about the once in a while miss of a touch...yes, I agree with cutterjohn....you're spoiled. Return the device asap, so I could pick it up from an outlet...please?
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If your issues with the touchscreen are anything like ...exchange it...
My new one requires very little effort if any at all to get the screen to respond...
However, if you're talking about the once in a while miss of a touch...yes, I agree with cutterjohn....you're spoiled. Return the device asap, so I could pick it up from an outlet...please?
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There is a big difference between these dead spots and the occasional miss. I have no problem with the occasional miss. I just have to adjust to how my finger touches the tablet to get more consistent hits.
There are areas of my tablet that consistently do not behave like the other areas. Does that sound normal to you? I can't have a tablet where anything in the 2 corners is extremely inconsistent. If I have the tablet oriented a certain way the soft-buttons get put into one of the bad corners and that is really frustrating.
I don't think it is how I am holding it because the problem follows the physical corners and it is not relative to my hand. So that rules that out. And I washed my hands and gave the tablet a good cleaning so dirt/grease/grime is not an issue either. It could have been too clean but why only two corners?
I have many weeks to go on my 30 days so I will keep screwing with it to see if I can come up with anything that is a workaround or explains why it is happening. It is insanely fast and it's modding future looks extremely bright with such talented people. If I get fed up enough, I'll exchange it and hopefully get one with a even touch response for the whole screen or simply return it and wait a couple more months for Honeycomb tablets.
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If your issues with the touchscreen are anything like this...exchange it...
My new one requires very little effort if any at all to get the screen to respond...
However, if you're talking about the once in a while miss of a touch...yes, I agree with cutterjohn....you're spoiled. Return the device asap, so I could pick it up from an outlet...please?
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Whoa. That video was pretty bad. While mine is not like that (thank God), I just tried hitting the app drawer key and it only registered after the 13th tap?!?! seriously wtf. While it isn't a "dead zone" per se, that's still pretty bad. There has to be a software fix to recify this issue with the right side of the screen. (my "L" and "delete" button are pretty bad as well).
THAT is a defective product...
I'll do another video to compare with my new one...WITH funky assed salty sweat all over the screen. Works flawlessly...
Is your model that is working well running stock firmware and keyboard?
mine is tent lite and the stock keyboard is ok. It if I try to use the alternative keyboards then I get consistent misses on key presses especially on the letter a.
I'm always tapping *constantly*, like 10-20 times on certain spots around the corners and edges of the screen, I'm about to return mine because of this.. Believe I'm still in the 2 weeks with office depot, will have to go snag the $350 one over at sears and hopefully it will come with a screen protector this time (this one I have didn't come with one, wonder if that has to do with the dead spots)..
Hi all,
I think my SGN 10.1 is a fine tablet, but I have an issue with the pen: it isn’t recognized when it makes very light contact with the screen. In particular, light fast clicks don’t register consistently. The nib is a little loose and clicks a little bit. When I press down on the screen just until the tip makes contact with the back-end, no response. I have to press just a little more for the touch to register.
Do you experience the same thing, do you think it’s normal behavior, or should I return it?
Did you try reseating the nib?
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Did you try reseating the nib?
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Yes, and I tried a different nib as well. So I guess you think I have a real issue? In your opinion, should the tablet react to the lightest touch or not?
I think the actual convenience of this pen is more sensitive than finger on SGN 10.1,even the original SGN.
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Yes, and I tried a different nib as well. So I guess you think I have a real issue? In your opinion, should the tablet react to the lightest touch or not?
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After reading your post, I can confirm that my one reacts in the same way after testing.
For me this is not an issue as I have no real need to touch and move the screen so lightly. Everything I have practically used it for has worked without any hiccups and I have been able to achieve the desired results such as flawless note taking, browsing with the pen, doodling now and again.
Which task will you perform that requires such sensitivity?
My only complaint is that when I write using the S-pen, I occasionally press the side button which I wish I could disable.
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After reading your post, I can confirm that my one reacts in the same way after testing.
For me this is not an issue as I have no real need to touch and move the screen so lightly. Everything I have practically used it for has worked without any hiccups and I have been able to achieve the desired results such as flawless note taking, browsing with the pen, doodling now and again.
Which task will you perform that requires such sensitivity?
My only complaint is that when I write using the S-pen, I occasionally press the side button which I wish I could disable.
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I think the actual convenience of this pen is more sensitive than finger on SGN 10.1,even the original SGN.
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But how sensitive is your pen? Can you succesfully click on buttons and menus fast and with a very light touch consistently, or does it skip clicks like every five tries?
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I wonder if there is a way to adjust screen sensitivity like in CM....
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I wonder if there is a way to adjust screen sensitivity like in CM....
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I think in my case, the problem is more “responsiveness” than “sensitivity”. The touch screen is responsive to the finger, not so much with the pen. And the sensitivity to pen pressure is very good. It’s just that the pressure threshold for the pen to be recognized is bit too high for my taste. I’d like the feedback of other users before considering replacing my unit.
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But how sensitive is your pen? Can you succesfully click on buttons and menus fast and with a very light touch consistently, or does it skip clicks like every five tries?
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Mine skips sometimes and is inconsistent as well. My Note phone behaves the same way.
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I don't think there is any need to worry as Samsung would have carried out stress tests to an acceptable level to prevent scratches and breakage, it sounds like even when you adjust, you will probably use less pressure than me anyway, I am quite heavy handed.
I have been using the phone version of the Note for a while and have never had issues with scratches or breakage. I intend to use the Note as I would use pen on paper and if it cannot handle that then it is not worth the money that Samsung are charging for it and I will be the first to take it back if there were problems under the sales of good act we have here in the uk I.e. being fit for purpose, durable quality etc.
You may want to get a screen protector if you are still concerned.
If you draw a lot the spen imprints a lot of sgnote s/p. I have a really heavy hand and draw with immense pressure on both notes and they have yet to show any wear...
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Hi all,
I think my SGN 10.1 is a fine tablet, but I have an issue with the pen: it isn’t recognized when it makes very light contact with the screen. In particular, light fast clicks don’t register consistently. The nib is a little loose and clicks a little bit. When I press down on the screen just until the tip makes contact with the back-end, no response. I have to press just a little more for the touch to register.
Do you experience the same thing, do you think it’s normal behavior, or should I return it?
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Yes, imho your pen /tab is malfunctioning. I've received my 2nd tab, which unlike the 1st one creaked on both sides *and* exhibited the same light touch pen behaviour problem. It was very frustrating to use. Other than some stutter the 1st tab works just fine. So, I decided to send the 2nd tab back due to 2 issues I mentioned earlier. Interestingly enough and going by the serial # the 2nd tab was from the earlier build.
I say get it exchanged if you can. Hth.
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I say get it exchanged if you can. Hth.
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You just made things more difficult for me. Hmmm whom should I believe?... I don’t know lol
Life is short. If you're not happy, return it.
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Life is short. If you're not happy, return it.
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I’m happy. But I would be happier if I knew for sure that I could do better by replacing my Note. All things considered, I think I’ll keep it. I don’t think I’ll get an S-Pen without a little leeway in the nib (I had an Intuos 3, and I have vague memories of this).
Bamboo pen/tip design looks nothing like the spen
we don't see things as they are; we see things as we are.
For those interested, a related thread about the Wacom Intuos 4: http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=993 (see the post by ivanzorkic)
That’s exactly what I needed to have confirmation on. So I’ll keep my Note as is, quality is good enough. Thanks everyone!
I'm having the same problem with my second Note 10.1. My first Note 10.1 (that was stolen) was bought in September. This one was bought a few days ago. It's different from my first one. The screen sticker has more logos such as DivX and ChatOn and is in colour as opposed to white only. The S Pen fits tightly in the slot and is hard to remove compared to the old one which was perfect and easier to remove. Light touches with the pen don't register making skips in the lines where I reduce pressure.
Could this be a manufacturing issue affecting the newer models? Should I exchange it or is there calibration I can do?