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Would it not be easier to get together and create a single ROM? If JF releases a version now, there will be what? 3? 4?
So now all themers need to create 3 or 4 ports. Also, I have noticed that a lot of these different ROMs come pre-themed. Isn't this a bit redundant?
Personally I would like a plain-jane ROM without anything added (with the exception of root). Then you can add the options you like as we have in the past rather than have them spoon fed to us whether we like them or not.
Not really. if you are familiar with how rom cooking went with teh other htc phones, each has their own style. Once we get past the "beta" mode of these roms and they are more official, the cookers will be able to theme and do that stuff on their own. You would then pick roms based on features/themes/addons that you like instead of just going with the newest one that is out like we are now.
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Not really. if you are familiar with how rom cooking went with teh other htc phones, each has their own style.
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Agreed. That was half the reason I loved recooking my old Apache every week.
but arnt all these builds just different attempts at getting a working 1.5 build?
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but arnt all these builds just different attempts at getting a working 1.5 build?
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Not any longer. The official 1.5 has been released and therefore should just simply be giving people root and adding other options.
well no, the official hasnt been released till tmo sends it as an OTA. they will add their own "style" (junk apps, and some good stuff if we are lucky) to it and then we will have official builds. Once that happens, there will just need to be root/themes/modifications. each cook will add his own ideas into his roms and will have his own followers. There will continue to be branches off of each style as we have seen with JF > lucidrem, haykuro > TheDude etc.
I remember when JF made his first rom and I started hoping this would happen. It did not seem like it would based on what was required, but we are fast approaching a rom kitchen like environment in Android where any custom build you can dream will be available. Lets see the iphone do that!
Good point DarkRift....
I went ahead and tested out Haykuro's version and while it's pretty stable, hate the fact that half of my apps no longer work. For this reason, I'm probably going back to JF1.43 until the devs have time to get the software working on 1.5.
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Personally I would like a plain-jane ROM without anything added (with the exception of root). Then you can add the options you like as we have in the past rather than have them spoon fed to us whether we like them or not.
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100% agree ...
We developers have to support 3, 4 or more different roms (different app2sd-mods not included) - that generates an unbelievable workload!
So, why not having one single base (a plain-jane rom) and all firmware-"modders" could publish one single "update.zip" (which can be applied to this basic rom) to make (specified) changes (like I've done with my kernel-update for ADP1.5 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3699701&postcount=157)
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100% agree ...
We developers have to support 3, 4 or more different roms (different app2sd-mods not included) - that generates an unbelievable workload!
So, why not having one single base (a plain-jane rom) and all firmware-"modders" could publish one single "update.zip" (which can be applied to this basic rom) to make (specified) changes (like I've done with my kernel-update for ADP1.5 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3699701&postcount=157)
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100% Disagree ....
In my past experience with a few htc wm phones, I've seen that competition between the rom "cooks" is exactly what drives them to create the next greatest rom! If they all teamed up then there wouldn't be any roms to compete against and they might lose their desire to keep improving.
And as to the extra workload for devs.... unless you are themeing, there is no extra work required? I am developing for android and the only extra workload I have is making sure my stuff works with both 1.1 and 1.5... the specific rom makes no difference. Edit: I see you are the dev of wifi tether... in which case I'm obviously completely wrong, and I agree it must be a pain in the ass(in your scenario) to make your stuff work in every rom.
This whole conversation is moot anyways, because it will never happen. Even if the current "cooks" all teamed up and worked on one rom, new people would come along who want to make their OWN rom that's different, and the cycle would continue.
The growth of new Dev's are pretty exciting for me. I love to see that we have options, everyday I have something to look forward to with all these new builds, and I hope more Dev's jump on in with new and fresh ideas. Hey you never know some one can jump in XDA with a genius mind and make our UI look like the Ophone. Now wouldn't that excite you knowing you can jump to that rom instead of being stuck on 1?
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Incorrect. HTC has released 1.5 as an update for ADP (Dev) phones. So it *is* officially out there for Dev phones, just not an "official" TMo release for TMo branded G1s, which personally I don't particularly care about anyway (
) as I'd always take a manufacturer rom over a carrier one. I'd expect a TMo 1.5 to be practically the same as the HTC one, with additional bloatware!
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I love having all of these roms to choose from. I'm just having trouble deciding whether to give up the pdf reader, HTC VK and camera, for the ADP1.5H with multitouch. I'm thinking that sooner or later, I will be able to have all of those things in one rom though.
I am still on Haykuro's HTC build, and my phone is waaaay more exciting than the fruit phone!
The only thing that I can see wrong with this phone now, is that HTC didn't include more internal memory from the beginning. Even with the apps to sd fixes, there are still problems which crop up with those.
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100% Disagree ....
In my past experience with a few htc wm phones, I've seen that competition between the rom "cooks" is exactly what drives them to create the next greatest rom! If they all teamed up then there wouldn't be any roms to compete against and they might lose their desire to keep improving.
And as to the extra workload for devs.... unless you are themeing, there is no extra work required? I am developing for android and the only extra workload I have is making sure my stuff works with both 1.1 and 1.5... the specific rom makes no difference. Edit: I see you are the dev of wifi tether... in which case I'm obviously completely wrong, and I agree it must be a pain in the ass(in your scenario) to make your stuff work in every rom.
This whole conversation is moot anyways, because it will never happen. Even if the current "cooks" all teamed up and worked on one rom, new people would come along who want to make their OWN rom that's different, and the cycle would continue.
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Quality over Quantity. If they all hooked up together and made on EPIC 1.5 ROM that was plain jane but 110% stable, i would love them for it. But in the end, im waiting for JF's build. Im sure thats what he is doing.
As has been stated by people such as "Big in Japan" though....
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Android 1.5 presents more than a few problems for developers. According to Alexander Muse, applications currently running on Android won’t necessarily be compatible with Cupcake 1.5; that means a mad rush to download the new firmware and rebuild their software. Compounding the problem is the fact that the Android Market won’t allow more than one version of an app, which means developers aren’t able to simply create a new, 1.5-friendly update and leave the existing version in place for those without Cupcake. Instead, Big in Japan face creating a new build that’s also backward compatible with earlier versions of Android, something they conservatively estimate should normally take around two to three weeks of development.
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So basically, if there are ROMs that affect the software, devs will need to "choose" which ROM to use their software on. Although this is a little extreme and MOST of the time this won't be an issue, what if ROM cooking goes that far? Will you be willing to deal without applications that you use to have something else?
Just something to keep in mind.
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So basically, if there are ROMs that affect the software, devs will need to "choose" which ROM to use their software on. Although this is a little extreme and MOST of the time this won't be an issue, what if ROM cooking goes that far? Will you be willing to deal without applications that you use to have something else?
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If the developers were using private APIs during the development of their application, then the fact they are broken on Cupcake is likely to be their own fault for using an API which is not necessarily static and therefore liable to change. If they only used public APIs, then it is Googles fault for changing those APIs, or the behaviour of those APIs.
This is one of the "problems" with Android being open source - you can't realistically hide the private APIs from developers since they can see them being used in the source code, and thus may be tempted to use them when in reality they should be restricting themselves to just the public APIs to ensure forwards and backwards compatibility.
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Dave
I have to agree with everyone who wants to keep things in one.
This does NOT mean that different people can't add particular modifications to what is available, it just means distributing these things as smaller components.
Start with the stock ADP1.5 image. If you want multitouch, apply the update.zip that provides multitouch (and nothing else). If you want tethering, apply the update.zip that provides the kernel with netfilter. If you want a skin (or whatever you want to call it), apply the update.zip that provides it. There is no point in bundling everything together in full system images since all this does is it makes the downloads huge and creates incompatibilities.
For example, I have always used the stock ADP firmware. I have looked at JF's full go and found that while nice, it adds things that I don't want and leaves out things that I do want, which means that it would end up being equal work to adjust those builds into something that I want as it would end up being to modify the stock image. The deciding factor is that I know exactly how my changes work against the stock image and I don't necessarily know what changes JF has made to his.
Actually since most builds are only file-based (i.e. changing some files in /system), could we make a program that (with root, of course) download the difference and apply them? Like an android market for firmware builds or say an apt for android.
Then user get the freedom to choose what they want and can go back to previous versions easily when things go wrong.
To be safe, it could just use symbolic links to apply updates, so restoring will be easier and gives the internal flash a longer life.
I´m new posting here, but I´d been searching for a while in this forum for a Sense Rom that makes me forget enomther´s 1.6 Rom (the one I revert back after getting tired of FC´s and Homescreen Loads of the latest Rom) and I had finally found the first native looking 32B SenseRom.
The curiosity is that I found it in Dream´s Dev Forum...based on one Rom from guess who: Eugene!
[ROM] Sense Revolution v.2.2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579674
Good News: I´d installed this Rom with just one partition (fat32 of course)= Fastest ever Sense xperience you´ll ever enjoy+ no FC+ NO HOME LOADS.
Bad News: some typical problems with Bluetooth, Wifi, G-Sensors and Graphics errors when gaming (Speedforge and Head to Head Racing) due to RAM hack craps.
02/12/09 Update : New Version is called MYHEROrevolution v.2 (direct link added)
If you are tired of home loads using a Sense Rom, in my modest opinnion you should stick to Qtek´s latest work.
Latest 32B SENSE ROMS:
-Qtek´s v.2.3: http://www.4shared.com/file/160821071/1398aded/Qteknology_MagicSense__3039906.html
-Eugene´s Espresso V3 Port: http://www.4shared.com/file/194773147/6ec4f2bd/Espresso_v2.html
-Eugene´s Eclair Hero Droid 2.1 V.3.1: http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=eugene373/ROM/&file=Hero3.1_T_E.zip
-eVIL´S SenSe v2.0.1: http://www.4shared.com/account/file/148581499/32de2e8/eViL_SenSe_v201.html
-Herver´s v1.1r5: http://www.4shared.com/file/145485438/ab2c1fc6/Hero_Over_Universal_v1.html
-Maxisma´s 2.0.1: http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=maxisma/ROM/&file=sense.zip
-Reignzone´s RZR v1.2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DXK18V8M
-ttran001´s OTPA Sense UI 4 Magic v.3.0: http://www.4shared.com/file/161604737/4abb12cf/OTPAv30.html
-Drizzy´s Champion V2: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5cmw5ntjh0y
-MLIGN´s HeroV3.1.1: http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=mlign/ROM/&file=MLIGN-HeroV3.1.1.zip
-KiNgxKxlick Espresso2G1 v1.2: http://rapidshare.com/files/338302881/KiNgxKxlick-Espresso2G1-v1.2_signed.zip
-KiNgxKxKlair Eclair Hero Version 1.0 "Official Release": http://www.4shared.com/file/203805954/65bdeb87/KiNgxKxKlair-Hero-Eclair-v10_s.html
-tmack23& adewey234´s MYHEROrevolution v.2: http://www.deweymetalfab.com/misc/android/signed-MHR-Test.zip?
I would've said this was the wrong place for this but it's actually pretty helpful. I didn't notice it in the dream section. Seems that's the only place 32b magic users find most roms.
Thanks for the heads up justclimb, flashing right now just to try it out. Wifi's a bummer. I use that ALOT.
Update: Wifi seems to be working on it. It's a little sluggish though, i'm going to reflash with the proper partitions.
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I´m new posting here, but I´d been searching for a while in this forum for a Sense Rom that makes me forget enomther´s 1.6 Rom (the one I revert back after being tired of FC´s and Home Loads of the latest Sense Rom) and i´d finally found the (almost) perfect 32B Rom.
The curiosity is that I found it not in this but on Dream´s Dev Forum...and guess what...? it´s based on one Rom from here: one from Eugene!
[ROM] Sense Revolution v.2.2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579674
The Good News: I´d installed this Rom with just one partition (fat32 of course)= Fastest ever Sense xperience you´ll ever enjoy+ no FC+ NO HOME LOADS.
Th Bad News: some typical problems with Bluetooth, Wifi, G-Sensors and Graphics errors when gaming (Speedforge and Head to Head Racing) due to being a G1-built Rom.
I´m actually testing Qtek´s latest Rom and like all others I´m tired of home loads, multiple partitions, swapiness and all that non native crap. Until someone turns this great Revolution Rom into something "magical" I´ll stick to Qtek´s deleting the Sense Apk preferences and pressing home...
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well i think this is a good poll my vote is hero_over it's very stable and super fast and no lag in the homescreen you need a swap and ext but thats is no problem with the new amon recovery ;-) and the best thing is wifi g-sensor works ;-) i tryed many roms so... this runs best for me
If only ttran001's OTPA Sense UI ROM was here i would vote for that.
I've been using it for 4 weeks now and its the smoothest thing i've ever tried
have any one tried the rom by maxima
as the guys at the unlockr recommend it as the best ROM
It is the best, right after ttran001's ROM.
Maxisma's got the kernel problem with SOME! people being able to use the ROM and some people not.
ttran001 had that problem too, but he fixed it by a reverting patch to another kernel.
SO how does Trojan Final Hero stack up against the roms of ttrann001 and maxima's?
Ive got the Trojan Final Hero rom installed, almost never had the loading screen but every app i launch does take two seconds or so to actually boot up, you click, screen goes black for a few secs and i see the app. However ive not had a homescreen reload yet. I do have to use 128mb swap to prevent that tho.
Since some chefs had sadly abandoned this forum...
I´ve just added some links to their newest work.
I also wanted to add after i saw you linked eugene's old rom, that SuperMagic is one of the BEST roms i've ever tried. i liked it better than trojan rom!
It doesn't have the regular sense ui rosie but it's very solid and pretty snappy. My only problem was every now and then getting loading screens, i believe it was because i was using 32mb swap. I'm probably going to restore my nandroid backup and try that out again!
Currently trying qtek's and loving it!
It's a close call between eugene's and qtek's. very close.
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I also wanted to add after i saw you linked eugene's old rom, that SuperMagic is one of the BEST roms i've ever tried. i liked it better than trojan rom!
It doesn't have the regular sense ui rosie but it's very solid and pretty snappy. My only problem was every now and then getting loading screens, i believe it was because i was using 32mb swap. I'm probably going to restore my nandroid backup and try that out again!
Currently trying qtek's and loving it!
It's a close call between eugene's and qtek's. very close.
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Take a look at hero_over´s...it´s actually one of the smoothest out there, and better than any from eugene.
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Take a look at hero_over´s...it´s actually one of the smoothest out there, and better than any from eugene.
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I did. Think i don't like about it is it took a great deal of time to open apps/settings/widgets. that's my gripe with most hero roms, the wait time on answering the phone, opening up a map when i need it open and flipping through multiple settings.
Hero over's nice, but supermagic just stomped it when it came to snappyness in between different apps and things of that sort.
Maybe i did something wrong in the settings, i'll probably give it a try. I've tried alot of roms, it's possible i might've made a setup mistake.
Devs had both jumped out or stopped their work on 32B SenseRoms...
One thing amazes me: Why on the Hell doesn´t HTC put a Donut or Eclair Update into their 32a Magics?
Since it all keeps the same, no one seems to relaunch the dev-party...
mlign's 3.1.1 is the best so far, gotta give the kid some serious respect. that rom is the truth
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mlign's 3.1.1 is the best so far, gotta give the kid some serious respect. that rom is the truth
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I might be wrong about hero_over´s ROM, but I first abandoned it due to battery problems, and afterwards I return to it after some positive comments and noticed that the very same problems kept going. Then I tried pulling some widgets out of my home screen, and now battery lasts for two days of normal use: Music Widget was the cause.
Arguably the fastest and balanced Sense Rom out there, Mlign´s 3.0 was my last try, nothing kept my attention.
I´ll take it for a round...
Poll battle is a fierce one on the top
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what is the rom more quick ?
I have the Qteknology rom but is not quick
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what is the rom more quick ?
I have the Qteknology rom but is not quick
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Qtek´s is the most reliable, the latest 2.2 version lacks swap management, wait a little for Qtek´s work to finished and you´ll had the fastest Rom in there:
Until then I keep using Herver´s, and appart from a few battery nightmares, the rom is reasonably fast, so it´s easely recomendable.
Not sure it should be some kind of competition, but if it is about giving a shout out to a dev's ROM that has really impressed then I've got to say;
Hero_over
I've had this ROM on my phone since last friday and I haven't had a FC, home restart or noticeable slow down even yet! No other Hero ROM has given me that, nor have I been able to keep any other Hero ROM on the phone for more than a couple of days. I tried multiple different Hero ROMs but day-to-day useability just wasn't there if I was being honest with myself. I gave up on Hero on the 32b and went to CM, I used his and upgraded right up to the latest 4.2.5 with Enoch as a theme. That ROM is seriously fast, yet Hero_over hasn't suffered in comparison. A friend has a Hero and we couldn't see any difference in use, can't say fairer than that.
The only thing I haven't got working is BT, but I haven't tried a headset and I haven't really investigated any soultions in the thread as I don't use BT.
I switch between different sense ui ROM. Now, I found a ROM made for G1 but also compatible with MT3G. It runs smoothly on my 32B device.
You guys might want to try it.
[ROM] SenseHERO-v1.3.3 - 2.6.29.6 "Themed & Fast" mytouch/dream 11/08/09
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I switch between different sense ui ROM. Now, I found a ROM made for G1 but also compatible with MT3G. It runs smoothly on my 32B device.
You guys might want to try it.
[ROM] SenseHERO-v1.3.3 - 2.6.29.6 "Themed & Fast" mytouch/dream 11/08/09
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That´s a good ROM based on Drizzy´s...yet you should know that Vodafone 32b´s have some isues with graphics as well as some unspected reboots.
PD: I´m downloading Qtek´s latest version 2.3: Link updated.
How come ttran001's newest rom is not in this list? I think it's an awesome rom. Incredibly stable, pretty snappy, and it's just as good as Qtek's in my opinion. It should be updated.
I've been playing with ROMS again. I've sampled most of the 2.1 based stuff and today I installed Gumbo 1.5 Overclocked, thanks to toast's Kernel to 767 mhz.
Instructions are here http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero-roms-hacks/10138-gumbo-1-5c-overclock.html
This is speedy and very stable! Think I'll stay on this until 2.1 gets official released and the magic gets worked on it.
I could never to go back to 1.5 (running Beezy 4 currently) after having 2.1 on my phone. I have no stability issues or speed concerns with this rom. Actually, that's a lie, I do. The Bluetooth on this sucks big time. Gumbo 1.5C will pair and work flawlessly with my Pioneer Avic D3 car stereo but I have yet to find a 2.1 rom that will. That is still not enough of a bugger to get me to go backwards though.
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I've been playing with ROMS again. I've sampled most of the 2.1 based stuff and today I installed Gumbo 1.5 Overclocked, thanks to toast's Kernel to 767 mhz.
Instructions are here http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero-roms-hacks/10138-gumbo-1-5c-overclock.html
This is speedy and very stable! Think I'll stay on this until 2.1 gets official released and the magic gets worked on it.
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Does everything works in this rom?
yeah it does
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Who cares. 1.5 is SO last year.
VinceOB said:
Who cares. 1.5 is SO last year.
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lol! literally!
Well, for those who are interested, it's there. For those who aren't, congratulations.
VinceOB said:
Who cares. 1.5 is SO last year.
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Well I just thought folks who were still on Gumbo and didn't want to switch to 2.1 yet would appreciate the info.
Or, every party needs a pooper that's why we invited you!
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Well I just thought folks who were still on Gumbo and didn't want to switch to 2.1 yet would appreciate the info.
Or, every party needs a pooper that's why we invited you!
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I was liking the idea of the overclocked 1.5 but what stopped me was no jit support for it. So back to 2.1. You are right though. It is fast. Then again so is 1.6 donut.
I'm too settled in to try it, but thanks for the info.
Sounds cool.
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Who cares. 1.5 is SO last year.
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Like O..M..G...wipe me with a ROM
I've actually been thinking VERY seriously lately about going back to Gumbo 1.5c. This was the fastest and most stable ROM I ever ran. I simply couldn't resist trying out 2.1, and I got reeled in by it.
I absolutely love the new features that 2.1 brings to the table, but honestly, there are still a lot of bugs. Every 2.1 ROM I've run starts out pretty good, but after a few days, they all seem to slow down a lot. I have even run some overclocked 2.1 ROMs, and I still feel they are too slow for comfortable use.
I firmly believe that the Sprint 2.1 RUU leak is nowhere near final code. It's just way too slow to being anything that Sprint would be ready to put on tens of thousands of customer's phones. I think when we see the final Sprint release, there will most likely be a drastic uptick in speeds.
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I've actually been thinking VERY seriously lately about going back to Gumbo 1.5c. This was the fastest and most stable ROM I ever ran. I simply couldn't resist trying out 2.1, and I got reeled in by it.
I absolutely love the new features that 2.1 brings to the table, but honestly, there are still a lot of bugs. Every 2.1 ROM I've run starts out pretty good, but after a few days, they all seem to slow down a lot. I have even run some overclocked 2.1 ROMs, and I still feel they are too slow for comfortable use.
I firmly believe that the Sprint 2.1 RUU leak is nowhere near final code. It's just way too slow to being anything that Sprint would be ready to put on tens of thousands of customer's phones. I think when we see the final Sprint release, there will most likely be a drastic uptick in speeds.
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Thank you. This is my opinion exactly. What the DEVS have shown us with the work done on the 2.1 ROMS is just how awesome they will be once we get the official 2.1 release and the Kernel Source.
I may nandroid back to 1.5c this weekend and check it out.
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Seriously? DONT encourage him.
I gave this a try with a pancake 0.1(based on gumbo 1.5c) i had. I have really been impressed. I have ran almost every 2.1 rom we have, darchdroid, damagecontrol, fresh, aloysius, fresh toast, ic3rom, sushi, and a few more im sure. I've been very impressed with the developers work, and I know they are working with an unofficial RUU. I share the opinion of an above poster, than I handle 2.1 for a few days, I love the new features, and it excites me when a new rom comes out, to see what new things the devs have incorporated, but i will probably stay with 1.5 until we get the source code/official update.
With that being said, this overclock patch on pancake 0.1 has been rock stable for me for 3 days now. Just today i flashed to the 1.5c overclock with BFS, and have been running it for about 12 hours, a bit faster. Absolutely no problems yet.
I couldn't be happier!
thanx guys. im glad everyones enjoying OC and BFS. good to see it reviving more then just the .27 eclair builds.
the only thing I couldn't give up is google nav
i thought about going back too, but these devs have spoiled me, i do still have the audio issues with almost all the leak roms even after the audio fix, i guess i just have that lucky phone
Sometimes old and busted is ok huh?
Hi,
I am currently running CM6-RC3 on my G1. I am fed up with the slowness of the phone and I want to go to a fast OS, though I am spoilt rotten by some of the Froyo features. However, I think a fast ROM is still my prio.
First step is to get a Class 6 card and I have ordered an 8gig one from ebay. Should get that in a couple of days.
The second step of course is the ROM itself. Currently I have shortlisted SuperD 1.11 and SuperFroyo 2.6 Lite based on the reviews that I have read on the forum.
Firstly, if anyone has used these two ROMs, or can give me a comparative opinion of these two, then it would make my choice all the more easy. Is the SuperD really that that fast as compared to SuperFroyo that I should willingly sacrifice some Froyo functionality?
Also, how do I flash either of the ROMs? As I said, I have CM6 and AmonRa 1.7.0 Recovery. Now SuperD goes on about installing a legal base ROM and DRC83 (which itself has some new and updated versions in many threads) and then installing SuperD 1.11 itself. But coming from CM, is that necessary, or is it dangerous, or in short what am I supposed to do?
Similarly, if I have to flash SuperFroyo, should I do any preparations or just wipe and flash from the recovery?
The tough thing is that CM is so so so well documented that the other ROMs seem stark compared to that. I already have bricked a phone during the JF ROM era, so I don't want to screw up the one which is currently working. Any sort of detailed help, or pointers to other thread would be most helpful. I have been searching the forum and have not found anything that clarifies my doubts.
TIA.
I'm interested in the answers to your questions too. I've tried to improve speed and responsiveness by using many of the tricks posted in various threads but for daily usage the lags and the battery life are still not acceptable for me (though I like many of the Froyo features).
Having said that - you might want to check out the last pages of this thread [FAST][STABLE]SpeedTeam Froyo [v3.1.1][OFFICIAL RELEASE][8/23/10]
XxKOLOHExX is developing a 1.6-ROM with as many Froyo-Features as possible while retaining the speed, responsivness and stability of Donut. I'm very much looking forward to that ROM.
Having said that - you might want to check out the last pages of this thread [FAST][STABLE]SpeedTeam Froyo [v3.1.1][OFFICIAL RELEASE][8/23/10]
XxKOLOHExX is developing a 1.6-ROM with as many Froyo-Features as possible while retaining the speed, responsivness and stability of Donut. I'm very much looking forward to that ROM.
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did he say when about hed be done? or did he just start on the donut rom?
I am currently running CM6-RC3 on my G1. I am fed up with the slowness of the phone and I want to go to a fast OS, though I am spoilt rotten by some of the Froyo features. However, I think a fast ROM is still my prio.
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the final cyanogenmod v6 is really fast and stable. ive been running it since it was uploaded and havent had any problem at all.. kinda weird lol im used to some kind of force close or reboots but so far this rom seems really stable, you should try it out.
You might want to figure out why cm6 is so slow for you. Its probably the user, not the rom. I'm not a cyan groupie but this is by far the fastest rom I've used...and I've tried A LOT of different roms.
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staunty said:
You might want to figure out why cm6 is so slow for you. Its probably the user, not the rom. I'm not a cyan groupie but this is by far the fastest rom I've used...and I've tried A LOT of different roms.
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Really?, and you using it on a G1? CM5 was quite fast until ADW crashed on me and I had to reflash - decided to flash CM6 at that time. What are your SD partitions, if any? I am running it plain with only one large FAT32 partition.
I am a heavy texter. On Hero ROMs, it takes about 500-600 text's to start FC's and loading screens. On Froyo, I don't know how, but it took 200-300...Im on Super E right now and I can say I'm pleased. I'm at 1,902 Texts right now and its running ill say 90% of how fast it was when I just flashed it.
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Really?, and you using it on a G1? CM5 was quite fast until ADW crashed on me and I had to reflash - decided to flash CM6 at that time. What are your SD partitions, if any? I am running it plain with only one large FAT32 partition.
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Everyone has their personal preference with regard to swap or no swap, compcache, jit, etc. I have no clue what works best even on my own phone (mt3g). But to let you know, I have a 32 MB swap partition, 512 ext 3 or 4 (can't remember, I think its ext4) and the rest FAT32.
donut/1.6? super d
eclair/2.1? super e
froyo/2.2? super f (not completed yet)
theyre all based off CM
geekoo said:
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I am currently running CM6-RC3 on my G1. I am fed up with the slowness of the phone and I want to go to a fast OS, though I am spoilt rotten by some of the Froyo features. However, I think a fast ROM is still my prio.
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I felt the same way. I've went back to CM4 and CM5 trying to find the right balance. I am now back on CM6 latest and I think I may have found the key to making my phone perform well.
Swap. On a G1 with Froyo it seems that swap is a must. Once I enabled swap my market issues (would return to home at random, especially when searching) and other weird issues went away (shortcuts to URLs wouldn't open he URL but just my homepage). Try swap before you completely bail out of CM6. Even running swap on FAT showed a lot of improvement. I have noticed though that after a couple of days my phone starts acting funny so I turn swap off (swapoff command from terminal) and then back on and things clear up.
Of course this is all my common observation but I really think swap changed CM6 on my G1 from too slow for everyday use to the best ROM there is. I really think with the extra RAM needed for Froyo there just isn't enough left for simple apps (market, browser, etc) to function correctly.
Matt
Super D 1.11 (aka 1.10.4) is quality and I'm so happily suprised at how fast it is
I had forgotten what it was like to own a phone that just well worked without hassle of lose of functionality. As pretty as Eclair and Froyo are they simply can't match a good donut.
Give it a try and use the Setup Up Guide for Donut in my sig a look, it was designed around Super D
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Super D 1.11 (aka 1.10.4) is quality and I'm so happily suprised at how fast it is
I had forgotten what it was like to own a phone that just well worked without hassle of lose of functionality. As pretty as Eclair and Froyo are they simply can't match a good donut.
Give it a try and use the Setup Up Guide for Donut in my sig a look, it was designed around Super D
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i just went to Super-E cause all of the froyos are too slow for my taste and all seem to be based on CM6 so what's the point? Plus one of my fav devs, Ben isnt working on SuperF atm so im kind of sad about that. His was my fav but its discontinued . The battery on it is good and speed, not as quick on its feet as donut but gets the job done, plus still has some newer features.
Hi all !
Browsing the Android Development forum I could find those roms :
MoDaCo Custom ROM, Bionix NS and GingerS SMALL
As I understand, all three :
- are based on GRH78
- have su / root
- have an unsecure bootloader to enable adb remount
- have the new market
- have busybox
- have various kernel and system optimisations
So, I would like to know :
* What are the diference between them ? (not which one is the best, which is a very different and troll-making question).
* What are the advantages of each of them ?
* Why are they better than the OTA rom (considering that su / root and the new market are installed) ?
Thank you very much !
I know this isnt going to answer your question, but it really is all preference
modaco ROMs are all about being very close to stock ROMs, but with some nice refinements and extras that you need like super user etc.
i dont know those other 3 unfortunately...
MoDaCo is all about maintaining a stock look and feel with just some of his own "optimization scripts" ran on the system. I believe he also deodexes so you can apply themes. He's big on stability as well.
I've only used Bionix on my friend's T-Mo Vibrant, so not sure about on the NS, but it seems more geared towards tweaking out every last bit of performance, and changes the look and feel. It's been a great ROM on my friend's Vibrant.
I've never heard of the third one you linked until you linked it.
I've not yet felt the need to move from stock on my NS. There's a few tweaks I'd like to see (like battery percentage in the status bar), but unlike previous phones, this one just feels great right out of the box.
I'll probably go for Cyanogen v7 once it's stable. Best of the Best on most devices.
But like slowz3r says, it's really just preference. Try them all if you really feel compelled and see which fits your tastes the best.
edit: but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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edit: but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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Also being NAND memory, and without TRIM support on Android, you're theoretically hurting that partition's read/write performance each time you flash a ROM. That said, I've flashed the living daylights out of my Nexus One, and it never felt any slower. From what I've read about SSDs on standard PCs, it isn't too horrible.
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but warning, being a ROM flasher can be addicting once you start.
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I had a HTC Hero before my NS, I'm already a flasher addict. It's too late for me
To summerize and help me choose, I did this chart. It is probably incomplete and relies only on the rom description by their author. If they have a feature and did not mention it, it will be absent on this chart. Sorry folks, if you don't advertise it, we can't know it's here...
As soon as Cyanogen Mod 7 is stable, I'll go on it (CM is such an amazing work). Meanwhile, I think MoDaCo will be fine for me.
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I had a HTC Hero before my NS, I'm already a flasher addict. It's too late for me
To summerize and help me choose, I did this chart. It is probably incomplete and relies only on the rom description by their author. If they have a feature and did not mention it, it will be absent on this chart. Sorry folks, if you don't advertise it, we can't know it's here...
As soon as Cyanogen Mod 7 is stable, I'll go on it (CM is such an amazing work). Meanwhile, I think MoDaCo will be fine for me.
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where did you find that chart?
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where did you find that chart?
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He made it.
You should consider CM7 Alpha3 as well. Its very stable and comes with a few extra goodies that the other ROMs don't have.
For example, the notification bar widgets, various tweaks in CM settings, rendering effect etc.
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He made it.
You should consider CM7 Alpha3 as well. Its very stable and comes with a few extra goodies that the other ROMs don't have.
For example, the notification bar widgets, various tweaks in CM settings, rendering effect etc.
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Guess i didnt see that
may i suggest you keep updating that chart, im sure people will find it useful
A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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I'll try a preview or rc version, maybe even beta, but I'm just not interested in anything that's still labeled alpha, personally, though not arguing that it's not stable.
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Guess i didnt see that
may i suggest you keep updating that chart, im sure people will find it useful
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You may suggest But I won't. Sorry, I have a job, a girlfriend and a lot of opensource project... But if someone wants to keep it up to date, I can transmit the ods file.
zephiK said:
A lot of people are awaiting CM7 Stable.. but honestly, the nightlies are stable and I haven't experienced any problems with them. Torch isn't working, but there are alternatives on the market.
Try it out, just perform a nandroid backup before flashing.. don't like it? Nandroid restore and you're back to where you were before you flashed.
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Well I have trouble understanding it's completely stable with the "alpha" postfix. Some hardware, some features, I don't know, something must be unstable for it to be marked alpha...
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You may suggest But I won't. Sorry, I have a job, a girlfriend and a lot of opensource project... But if someone wants to keep it up to date, I can transmit the ods file.
Well I have trouble understanding it's completely stable with the "alpha" postfix. Some hardware, some features, I don't know, something must be unstable for it to be marked alpha...
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Its labeled alpha because some of the CM specific goodies are not yet included (battery %, UI customizaion, phone/mms lockscreen sliders and other tweaks etc).
But otherwise its stable and everything pertaining to stock GB works fine.
CM7 RC1 cannot be << CM6.1.1 Stable .
I was just looking at the latest MoDaCo r6 and it actually looks interesting to me now. Maybe the flash-a-holic in me is resurfacing. LOL.