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How to make Pocket PC 2003 input software work on WM 5? (Celluon Laserkey)

I'm pissed. I ordered the Celluon Laserkey CL800BT as a mobile keyboard. But it appears it still has not had drivers/installation software created for WM 5. Nowhere on the seller's website did it mention this very critical piece of information. The Celluon website utterly fails to even mention the existence of WM 5 as something they either support or don't support, it's like they're stuck in 2003.
So, the question is... Is it possible to get this thing working on WM 5? I'm not sure if the input panel changes from 2003 to 5 are so big that the drivers supplied won't work or if it might be possible to just fiddle with the registry keys enough to get it to use the 2003 drivers. I figured out that certain registry structure changes were made in how the input software gets listed and so I tried to "upgrade" the entry for the Laserkey and that got the "Projection Keyboard" appearing in the list, but when I select it it just switches to the built-in WM keyboard input.
So, please, all you super clever people, help!!!
Quincy

Wow, that's a neat product. Thing is there is no difference in software keyboards between WM 5 and 2003 but what you have is a hardware keyboard that connects via BT.
If the drivers don't work it means they don't support your devices hardware or BT stack.
Unfortunately short of writing new drivers i do not see a solution to this.
I assume you tried installing it using the WM 2003 setup?
If it doesn't work i think you should ask for your money back.

Thanks, yeah, I tried the install for PPC 2003 and that completes, but as I mentioned the "Projection Keyboard" option in the SIP list does NOT appear. So I figured how what registry tweaking would make it appear but selecting it doesn't work. I changed the registry to point to the DLL I presumed should be called (there were only 2 that came with it, and I tried both) but nothing. I assume the SIP hooks into the DLL/etc. have changed from 2003 to 5.
It is an amazing product, if only it worked. Celluon must be in bad shape or something for them not to have current drivers (I contacted their tech support and have not heard back yet...). There are few things more annoying than having in your hands something that is amazingly cool and having absolutely no ability to use it.
I talked to the seller and it looks like they'll take it back, but I'm stunned they wouldn't have a big warning or at least a little warning/mention of the fact that it won't work on the current PPC OS.
So, warning to all, don't buy the Celluon Laserkey if you've got WM 5!
Quincy

One thing I just thought of, probably should have mentioned it before (this is really stupid of me):
Maybe the DLL you are messing with is not a SIP DLL at all? This is a hardware keyboard and it should work no matter what software keyboard is selected.
So try to do a clean installation (so your registry tweaks won't get in the way) and just open Word for example and type.
Also maybe it needs parring or some special BT settings?

Good suggestion, Levenum. I don't know exactly it is supposed to work, but I do know that you use the SIP selector to choose the "Projection Keyboard" and then it takes input from the keyboard. So, I'm pretty sure it really does act as a SIP. I've tried re-installing a few times, along the lines you suggest, having cleared everything out but still no luck.
I guess I'll wait another couple days and ship it back. I've written several times to Celluon but have yet to hear anything.
Quincy

Hmm, if they have written it this way (its possible of course) it would be a very stupid approach.
I had a chance to use a couple of hardware keyboards and they usually work separately from the SIP system be it BT or IR keyboard.
Strange that company creating a product primarily for mobile devices seems to know so little about them.

I too have the same problem with my IPAQ hx2490b running WM5.
I have found this web site which hosts a Celluon Laserkey driver for WM5 which installs OK without any registry changes.
The problem is that when the Projection Keyboard is seleted from the Input list and from the keyboard icon, I get a message to say BTM Cannot get current state. If I exit from the driver screen, I then get an error to say that the serial port is in use by another device which should be stopped before trying to use the Projection Keyboard again.
I have removed all of my other BT pairings, done a hard reset and started from scratch to no avail.
The CL800BT pairs OK until I load the driver. If anyone has any ideas for a workaround or has had success in getting this keyboard to work under WM5 I would be grateful for your advice.
I have emailed Celluon but have had no reply. The UK distributor has been trying to sort this for me for a week with no success.
IPAQ hx2490b
ROM 1.02.h
OS 5.1.1702 (Build 14366.1.0.1)
http://www.plawa.com/support/downloads/drivers/laserkey/

Laserkey and hp2490
Thanks for the info guys I found the web site and installed the 2005 drivers but as I expected I have the same problemb< ihave tried Celluon (waste of time never reply)
Looks like my new toy will have to go back unless anyone finds the answer

sucessfull test
Dear all,
there is a WM5-driver on the plawa page aviable -
and it's working as well on WM6 (testet with Hermes)!
okay, that's not a surprise - but the german shortcuts
are working as well!

can I have a link to the plawa page you refer to? I want to use it on wm6 too.
thanks

Interesting Office 2007 Issue

So I decided to use the 004 kitchen and put Office 2007 in my BE ROM. Guess what? All programs work fine until you try to activate the calendar or contacts softkey while the program is minimized (any of them), then a dialog box pops up and says "calendar is not a valid Pocket PC application". Close out the Office apps. and things go back to normal? Keep in mind I did pull 2007 from the 1413 build to use in the 968 build, so I'm wondering what could be up and if anyone has seen something like this before.

I'm not seeing this with my rom. I pulled the Office 2007 out of the Pandora's Kitchen and deleted the Office dirs completely in Farias, then put these in. Also modified the options.xml in the sys folder to have the correct values for the dsm files.

Mfrazzz's approach is definitely the path of least resistance. Awhile ago nottoosmart posted regarding issues with porting Office 2007, and I posted a cab-fix I got from the hermes forum. I assume he used it to adapt 2007 into the Pandora kitchen. If you're the "do-it-yourself" type, let me know and I'll send you the cab-fix as well.
Best wishes,

edhaas said:
Mfrazzz's approach is definitely the path of least resistance. Awhile ago nottoosmart posted regarding issues with porting Office 2007, and I posted a cab-fix I got from the hermes forum. I assume he used it to adapt 2007 into the Pandora kitchen. If you're the "do-it-yourself" type, let me know and I'll send you the cab-fix as well.
Best wishes,
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I should have mentioned that I integrated your cabfix into the Office 2007 I pulled off of Pandora's Kitchen. I was getting various errors until I did that so just put it directly into the Office directory and added the registry entries into the bottom of the office .rgu that were all in that cab you provided.

Anyone noticed if the problem is still residing in the Pandora Kitchen? I haven't seen this - and haven't directly addressed it. I don't know if nottoosmart added the fix. Just curious...

:S
I now that office2k7 is deply wired into de OS, however i been wondering if if there is a way to "install office 2k7" into an already flashed devices with office2003 ??
Best Regards!!

Looking for PIM for Win CE5 (I'm new ... go slow!)

Chaps,
I'm new 'round here (first post), and I am not that clued-up on PDA and Windows CE terminology and suchlike. However I have a technical background, so will probably get along OK.
I have a Fujitsu Siemens Loox N100 (see link here.) I bought it as a Sat-Nav system, but have since discovered that you can unlock it and reveal the underlying Windows operating system. It claims to be Windows CE v5.00.
Having managed this, I have loaded various bits of software onto it, including TCPMP (MP3 player) and SpreadCE (Pocket Spreadsheet program.) Both of which work very well, and I am very happy with them.
I now want to find both address book and diary software, thus allowing me to use the machine as a PDA. However, I simply can't find anything to fit this bill - it seems that if you buy a PDA with WinCE on it, it also comes with Pocket Outlook, allowing you to do both these things. I don't have this software, and therein lies my request.
Is it possible to get hold of CAB files for Pocket Outlook, to solve this problem? Or, failing that, can anyone recommend a suitable PIM application that will both keep track of contacts for me, and run a personal diary? (If these sync with Outlook on my desktop PC that would be the icing on the cake, but it is not essential.)
Does anyone have any suggestions for suitable software for these tasks?
The other option is to use SpreadCE to write something using Excel functionals. I may be able to cook up a reasonable address book like this, but a diary would be beyond me!
Thanks for any help!
Oli.

Quick update ...
.. searching on here has thrown up "My Calender v1.5", which looks ideal for the diary part of the problem, but when I load it and run it I get the message (on the pocket device) "Fail to load CLSID".
Any ideas?
Thanks, again.
Oli.

Sorry, I am not familiar with any PIM software that will work on Win CE.
The devices we deal with here run Windows Mobile. Though it is based on Win CE (same kernel) it has a few additions on which most of the apps (fortunately not all) depend.
There is no such thing as cab for pocket outlook.
There is one thing I can recommend:
Search for "opening MIO C550". Someone created a cab for that device (unfortunately it runs CE 4.2) that adds ActiveSync to it and some dlls (like aygshell.dll) that Win Mobile apps need to run.
It also has some utilities though I am not sure about PIM.
I think this might work for you (at least you will be able to run a wider range of apps).
Oh, and the error you are getting is probably due to a missing COM object. Nothing to be done about that.

Levenum,
Thanks for your reply. It was helpful.
Your comment about Windows Mobile and Windows CE is very helpful. I thought that Windows Mobile and Windows CE were the same thing - different names for the same software. Thanks for clearing that up - apologies for ignorance. The fact that there are some things on Windows Mobile that are not on Windows CE may explain why some of the software I have tried hasn't worked.
I will try the "Opening MIO C550" search as you suggested. However, I can run Windows ActiveSync on the N100 as it is. (Although that's about it!) I'll post up here with details of how I get on ...
What do you mean by a "Missing Com Object"? What is a Com Object? You suggest that there is no way of fixing this - shame, as My Calender looks just about ideal for what I want to do!
Thanks again for your help.
Oli.

Please receive my apologies. I gave you incorrect model. There is no C550.
Mio P550 is a full PDA, but Mio C510 is a PND.
Any way here is the link, judging by the screenshots it has some kind of 'contact' app. Hope it helps.
'COM object' is a programming term. M$ invented the system and it is very problematic when moving programs around.
As you may know almost all windows programs rely on some DLL files in addition to EXE files as well. Those DLL files are programs too but they do not run by them selves but only offer functions to be used by other programs.
The idea was that if there is a common function, like say opening a window it would be in a DLL and instead of every programmer rewriting it in his code he would just call the function.
COM objects are stored in DLLs too but accessing them is more complicated. For one thing, its not enough for the DLL just to be there (like with normal DLLs) but it needs a registry entry. Have you ever dug through the registry and seen the CLSID key that has many sub keys that look like this: {a1234678-1234.....? Most of them are COM objects.
Virtual keyboards are implemented as COM objects on WM.

Levenum,
Thanks again.
It looks like I am onto a losing streak with this. I tried the details as described for the Mio C510, but to no avail - it doesn't work on the N100.
COM Objects ... thanks for the explanation. Am I right in understanding that the problem I have is a missing DLL file, when I try to run MyCalender? Would it be possible to put the relevant DLL file onto my machine? My Calender looks very much like the sort of thing I am looking to run, and I am frustrated at being so close to running it!
Failing that, does anyone else know of any PIM software that might run on WinCE?
Thanks again,
Oli.

Actually, what the error means is you are missing some registry entries.
It is most likely those entries are pointing to a DLL but there is no way of telling which DLL without knowing what the app looks for in the registry.
By the way, you do not need to follow all the instructions there.
You just need to get the cab and manually install it (I understand you can access file explorer on your device).
If that does not work, then sorry I am out of ideas.

Is there a way to use deeper folders in W6.1 Mobile office?

Hi,
I have recently bought a Samsung Omnia, which I am fairly happy with. ifonz makes it a gem!
Still one thing which I think is plain stupid is that MS 6.1 Office Mobile can only access folders to a "depth" of two folders.
I'm curious is there a registry tweak to get past this? Or any other way?
I need to keep notes, docs, photos and the like fairly organised.
Softmaker Office(70€) can do it, but is fairly expensive. So I think, if Softmaker can do it, it does not seem to be a limitation of Win Mobile but rather of office mobile.
It there is no workaround, how can I deinstall Win Office Mobile and replace it by Softmaker?
Office Mobile seems to be integrated in Win Mobile.
Please use simple instructions I am not a computer wizkid (but I can change reg entries if you tell me where).
Thanks a lot!!
Franziska

I finally solved this issue:search in developers site "filedlgchg" and you will find 2 files to put in windows ppc folder...(follow the instructions in the post).
To navigate in folders you must press in left corner of bottom bar(to go up)or directly in the folders in popup window(to go down)

It works, but only partial in office mobile..
Hi, at least I can save now where I want. Great. Still I can not open where I want. At least not in Office applications. Is there a work around for this too?
Thanks for your help,
Franziska

I don't use office application to open office files.I use shortcuts to single docs or folders in Mortbuttons application:try it, it's a very good software...and free!!
http://www.sto-helit.de/index.php?module=page&entry=mb_overview&action=view&menu=14

[Q] Offline note application with categories or tags for WM6.5?

I know it's weird for you to read someone ask this in the year 2014, but I'm actually using a HP iPAQ 216!
Anyway, I REALLY don't like it's note application. I used to use a Palm TX and I could organize everything in categories, then I could synchronize it with the Palm desktop software and I could find everything organized in the same categories and I could even edit them from my desktop computer.
Does anyone know of a similar application for Windows Mobile 6.5? Hopefully freeware, but it doesn't have to be, just as long as it does have those characteristics.
I installed Evernote for WM6.5 and it's really close to what I'm looking for, the major problem is that I can't read the notes without a WiFi connection. That's a BIG problem for me.
I REEEEEEEEEALLY hope someone can help me out .