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HTC Touch - I'VE GOT ONE!!!

Just managed to get my hands on HTC TOUCH!!! NICEEEE!!! Not the best performer, but well designed. TouchFLO software looks realy good. 3D interface - iPhone might be a little too late. The only thing that might be better about apple product - is hassle finding the software Nothing personal, but I think Apple stich people just on branding.
Anyway, I've got the device from Inkino guys on TCR. I'm happy with it as a toy. You can go and check it out yourself.
P.S. Not advertising, just like to deal with them...

can u get us the software??

photos?
Wouldn't mind seeing it alongside another device?!

mrvanx said:
photos?
Wouldn't mind seeing it alongside another device?!
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Give half an hour...

vasil > can you post a dump of the ROM please

We would be very greatfull if you could post a dump of your rom...
PLEASE........

Is there any reason why this application (Touch something...) cannot run in any other HTC device???

we don't know yet, but if we get our hand in the rom, soon we will know...

neocsr said:
Is there any reason why this application (Touch something...) cannot run in any other HTC device???
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They use some sort of new screen on this machine. I was told there is only one supplier for it in the world. But I'll try...

thanks, we will wait for news...
Hope you get the dump asap...

ohhh i wish it will go fast to dump this room and that its just like a cab

Acording to John Wang (HTC Chief Marketing Officer + inventor of TouchFLO) the screen is new hardware and unique to the Touch (for now).
The "Gestures" of TouchFLO only kicks in when the screen detects skin (your finger). so it looks like for now it's a no go.

then i hope that the Kaiser has the same touchflo hardware..
and inventor my ass.. is had that same menu structure and sweeps on my neonode ( www.neonode.com ) back in 2004!!

If it detects the skin, then for sure it's a capacitive sensor in addition to the resitive (the normal one).

clinteastman said:
Acording to John Wang (HTC Chief Marketing Officer + inventor of TouchFLO) the screen is new hardware and unique to the Touch (for now).
The "Gestures" of TouchFLO only kicks in when the screen detect skin (your finger). so it look like for now it's a no go.
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can we believe to an ""Chief Marketing Officer + inventor of TouchFLO""
I believe we can't
may be we have the ROM.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310555 may be we need the extended only

stesa said:
can we believe to an ""Chief Marketing Officer + inventor of TouchFLO""
I believe we can't
may be we have the ROM.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310555 may be we need the extended only
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Well..... We will find out soon! Believe me, I hope your right and i'm wrong!!

Here is a review of the Touch in Russian. Until the English translation is available at least one can see the photos and screenshots : http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-elf.shtml

I don't really belive that skin stuff, but we must belive it will work...

nice one, if you get the cab out..
this thread deserves a sticky

Iput mode
It looks like an alternative input mode if you look at the video so if someone can figure out how to extract that it would be nice. I belive that that it would work because the only two touch screen technologies are active and passive so I don't believe it should matter

Want to donate Prophet!!!

I have a prophet which I have no use for. It is not in the best condition but is in fully working order. Comes from orange but is unlocked and is running one of the old i-mate roms...
Now i can't decide who to donate it to but if any of you have ideas I will gladly accept any suggestions.
I only have the handset as i bought it years ago.
I DO NOT WANT MONEY FOR THIS AS LONG AS IT GOES TO SOMEONE THAT CAN APPRECIATE IT AND WILL NOT TRY TO SELL IT ON TO MAKE MONEY.
if the moderators have any ideas - maybe a competition of some sort
kind regards,
krassen
P.S. - photos can be found at http://81.86.99.181/Prophet/

hope it goes to a good cause
to me! (joke - I don't need 2 prophets)...
give it to crestdelta he needs a new phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=5951314
or to netrunnerat, he's always looking for a cheap prophet for testing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1325570&postcount=17

Happily!
I already have a TyTN, but my father is jealous of it and would love getting a PPC!
EDIT: A competition would be a great idea, considering some might not be home 'till late and miss the offer.
EDIT 2: We (me or my father) would happily pay for the shipping

i'm sure some devs/cookers could use it.

i'll gladly take it off your hands & will pay shipping. Need it for the missus, she's been looking for a pda-phone since her palm t5 died.
please pick me!!
ta

No no no pick me!
Heheh.

up to the guy donating it, but i think it would be put to better use going to a developer than 'somebody's missus' ?

Yup, first, try to find a cooker that does need it so that he can release ROM's for it. That is, first, post to the Prophet Upgrading forum. If you don't find anyone or not any cooker / dev needs it, you can also think of me so that I can start publishing hands-on experience Prophet infos too.

Midget_1990 said:
up to the guy donating it, but i think it would be put to better use going to a developer than 'somebody's missus' ?
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Yup, experienced cookers / hackers / devs that would really like to release ROM's and other device-specific stuff for the Prophet should be preferred.

Menneisyys said:
Yup, experienced cookers / hackers / devs that would really like to release ROM's and other device-specific stuff for the Prophet should be preferred.
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Yeah, some of these developers risk their phone for our sake.. it's only fair that they should be higher priority than those who already have a phone.

Menneisyys and Midget_1990 are good candidates for it.
They always have something good to contribute.
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how about gullum or hma4? they're the best prophet rom cookers imho

wanwarlock said:
how about gullum or hma4? they're the best prophet rom cookers imho
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Except they already have prophets

[+1] Menneisyys all the way. He has shared everything in so depth and loves to share his vast knowledge

So far we have two good candidates...
Menneisyys
Midget_1990
i wanted to get a few more good names and then make a poll and see...whoever wins it will get the device...
regards

krassen said:
So far we have two good candidates...
Menneisyys
Midget_1990
i wanted to get a few more good names and then make a poll and see...whoever wins it will get the device...
regards
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Let Midget_1990 have it if he plans to release cooked ROM's for it - after all, ROM's are more important for the general public than mere device-specific tricks & compatibility infos / reports I'd publish.

i'm not a cooker
I don't make roms
I don't really know what the Prophet is
I already have an Orbit
But I WILL swap you it for half a carrot, a turnip and a bag of frozen garden peas (although you will have to organize your own freezer van to ensure they arrive to you in a still frozen form..)
Sorry - its the wine talking.......I'll go away now......

I would be glad to get that prophet because I need to have a working phone during daytime for my work.... so I can only flash at might because I can't miss any calls from customers .... I get verry litle sleep because I have to do all my coocking and flashing at late hours

there is the best candidate ^^
(rom's are no problem btw )

Menneisyys said:
Yup, experienced cookers / hackers / devs that would really like to release ROM's and other device-specific stuff for the Prophet should be preferred.
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Can we recommend JIGGS for this, OUR 1 and ONLY CHEF of ATOM ROM?

New Update By Htc

i think is time to downgrate to wm 6 ...........
yes 6 not 6.1 with all these issues and bugs and problems....
and then sell all of us our kaisers
i'm tired of this [email protected]#king htc's policy
what reason for,keep trying manage to work wright a device,that cost us more than 750e??
what reason for,keep buying from this screwed company named HTC ?????
sory for my tone but i can't stand any more this condition

redundant blame thread... it should be off-topic?
we all know that the Official wm6.1 upgrade Sucks...
Mods, could you close this thread?

zaharakis said:
i think is time to downgrate to wm 6 ...........
yes 6 not 6.1 with all these issues and bugs and problems....
and then sell all of us our kaisers
i'm tired of this [email protected]#king htc's policy
what reason for,keep trying manage to work wright a device,that cost us more than 750e??
what reason for,keep buying from this screwed company named HTC ?????
sory for my tone but i can't stand any more this condition
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I hear ya, but thats why we have wonderful chefs

Isaygarcia said:
redundant blame thread... it should be off-topic?
we all know that the Official wm6.1 upgrade Sucks...
Mods, could you close this thread?
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but somewhere we have to say it loud about this ..
and is better say it in another thread (like this one )and not to fill all other threads

Things that might improove
Hey,
The ROMs here are actually quite good but even if the ROM from HTC (the new one) does not compare with the ones made by XDA gurus they did some nice stuff...for example clearing the storage automatically after flash (no hard reset??) and the radio looks to be quite good it has all the countries in EUR now and the auto network configuration actually works...and there is no bluetooth activated right after flash...
Maybe some of these good things can be implemented in the new custom ROMs also...

More than blaming HTC for its ****-ROMs , we should contact the people who is working on port the Diamond drivers.

i think that zaharakis says what we all feel
htc tricked us
i can play videos and emulate gba games fluently at mt 3 years old ipaq 2490
while i cannot even turn the screen instantly to the stupid kaiser
and think how it would be if we didn't have the chefs

Isaygarcia said:
More than blaming HTC for its ****-ROMs , we should contact the people who is working on port the Diamond drivers.
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This phone does what i need it to do. And when the next greatest ppc comes out il be getting that.

Isaygarcia said:
redundant blame thread... it should be off-topic?
we all know that the Official wm6.1 upgrade Sucks...
Mods, could you close this thread?
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On the contrary...
Posts like this are nothing but the reflection of all the frustrated HTC users like me and if and only if people from HTC get to see this kind of bad publicity who knows, maybe they change their stupid policies...
Here's hoping...

Rayan said:
On the contrary...
Posts like this are nothing but the reflection of all the frustrated HTC users like me and if and only if people from HTC get to see this kind of bad publicity who knows, maybe they change their stupid policies...
Here's hoping...
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I wished the same thing until I realized that here in this forum we only represent negligible fraction of what could make an impact at all for their revenues.

hi guys,
i used the kaiser since few month with the org. german vodafone rom 1.58.... and all thinks work fine except voip with the rear speaker problem, and no drivers .. we all know.
Yesterday I use the new official german rom and this works so bad for me ... same speed, problems with the touchscreen, BT headset works but kaiser works slow with BT on.
Before I throw the Kaiser off the window :-/ I wait for a community rom with diamond drivers and give the people here a detonation for that. No more money to HTC from me.
Greets ChriZZ

Why don't we all let HTC know this... Mail them, all of you, it's costing them money and time to reply to those mails.
Still didn't get a driver, which they promised us and a crappy performance when it comes to graphics... So don't frustrate the people over here with your shortcomings, but irritate the HTC staff .
That's just my point of view...
(For example: create an example mail (like the one on htcclassaction (or so) and mail it all to this crappy company)

Cooked wm6.1 ROM > *anything

dubbeld00 said:
Why don't we all let HTC know this... Mail them, all of you, it's costing them money and time to reply to those mails.
Still didn't get a driver, which they promised us and a crappy performance when it comes to graphics... So don't frustrate the people over here with your shortcomings, but irritate the HTC staff .
That's just my point of view...
(For example: create an example mail (like the one on htcclassaction (or so) and mail it all to this crappy company)
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your point is good my friend ..but you think they don't allready know it??
i don't believe that no one in htc didn't try first this update,before releasing it in public
so they just yellow us for another one time

Sorry..Why u r angry?...also all the coocked 6.1 ROMs are sucks...i tried theme all ( full of bugs ) and dont let u even use the device the way u like...
am using the HTC offecial ROM i ( WM 6 ) all the needed program are running very good ( Arabiser for the arabic users like me although this arabizing softwares did is not the offecial for HTC, windows live working,Skyps workin, camer i dont use so musch but the pic's i took are very good,GPS working ( using sygc7...so what else you dream off ????????? the only this that make me try the 6.1 is the sound of my Gabra 8040 voice is not that loud i need ( i live in a noisy country)...and just we all should know that this is a PPC not a PC u ca not just load it with tons of programs
the only thing i think HTC should do is to use MVC insted of the buil in program althought that program runs very good but we all like the MVC

I remember when!
Remember when they "HTC" announced the Kaiser II , the promo how cool it looked. We all couldn't wait, built in GPS smaller design "not as thick" I fell for the hype. Now what are they pushing the "DIAMOND" wow lets all sell our Tilt's and Kaisers II on eBay and go out and buy a Diamond. but wait what is the Diamond missing what are it's short falls. Do we all trust HTC since they have been so honest with us up to now, it seems that everyone is tring to make a Iphone look alike. If you want an Iphone buy one. it's cheeper then a Kaiser II and you can get 2 for the price of a Diamond. I like my Tilt and I am going to keep it. but I don't like HTC and I would be willing to contribute to any legle suite or team that can go after HTC and hold them accountable. They may reside in a foreign country but I live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and we know how to screw someone in court. Land of the Free and home of the Class action suite! I am extremely happy to belong to this XDA community, I feel like this is a big extended family and we have family members all over the world. We have all been waiting long enough and apparently in vein, for HTC to release video drivers. I believe they never had any intention of correcting these problems. Oh and one more thing I never used a Windows machine at home until I got my first HTC device Samsung SX66, then 8525 now the Tilt. I am a die hard Mac user have always been. but in the world of PDA's Windows is King! I can't get what I need out of an Iphone and looks like I am not going to get what I expect from HTC. Shame on you HTC you took a customer that bought a new device each and every year and drove me to this. maybe your next years P&L will open your eye's.
Ed...

I'm sorry, but how exactly does moaning about a multi-milion dollar company on a developer forum do any good?
I'm sure the folks at HTC are reading all this on a daily basis, and take pity on your plight, and will be releasing a driver asap to make us all happy.
The kaiser does what it's supposed to - it's a business centric device and as for the multimedia part, it might not be a monster, but it does do the job relatively well.
Face it, HTC doesn't care about a 7 month old device, neither do they care about you. Try and think about it from their point of view - Releasing a brand new device boasting of 3D capabilities is MUCH better for sales than worrying about implementing it on an already released crippled one.
With that said, I hope this will be the last of such threads and the ROM development forum is no place for this sort of rant anyway.

So... after thinking it for a long time I have gone back to the original WM 6.0 ROM.
- Official WM 6.1 update by HTC: No text in landscape mode, programs crashing, skype does not work
- Cooked ROMs based on this: same problems with landscape
- Cooked ROMs with 1.65 radio: do not work well with my router, slow GPS fix
- Other cooked ROMs: display problems, have many programs I have no use for or I have to install others that came as standard (this leads to little storage free at the end). Skype does not work on most cases.
- Original ROM: Big free storage, GPS works fast, WiFi works, Skype works, all programs work, no crashes.
So, by updating what the hell do I gain?
My other choice would be WM 6.1 3.02 ROM, I've been using it for weeks, but hell, in the original ROM skype works.

nphil said:
I'm sorry, but how exactly does moaning about a multi-milion dollar company on a developer forum do any good?
I'm sure the folks at HTC are reading all this on a daily basis, and take pity on your plight, and will be releasing a driver asap to make us all happy.
The kaiser does what it's supposed to - it's a business centric device and as for the multimedia part, it might not be a monster, but it does do the job relatively well.
Face it, HTC doesn't care about a 7 month old device, neither do they care about you. Try and think about it from their point of view - Releasing a brand new device boasting of 3D capabilities is MUCH better for sales than worrying about implementing it on an already released crippled one.
With that said, I hope this will be the last of such threads and the ROM development forum is no place for this sort of rant anyway.
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It helps if we don't buy into their next product. Multi-million dollar companies are made buy consumers. If you take away the consumer then you don't have a multi-million dollar company.

why dont we all put our kaisers in a big bag and then take this bag in a helicopter and release over HTC Corp. (with some TNT, or some Hydrogen in Fusion) and Bang !

Developers please help to keep Herald ALIVE!!!!!!!!!

Hi guys , it is true that herald is somehow out dated but we can still keep it alive by new looking roms ,sorry i donnot mean to spam or ask for free labor ,we will donate , from me as far as i live in Iran ,we donnot have credit cards to donate but we can done it by clicking and supporting sponserd links
anybody interested in keeping him alive!?

I think I have breathed all the life into the Herald/Wing/Dopod that I can:
I have made the Wing look like Windows Phone 7 (with my Trib7 Suite), like the HTC Evo (with my SPB Snark Edition), like the HTC HD2 (with my TribM2D ROM Set) and I have made Titanium available for the Wing. Not only that I have made it light and fast with my Base ROM with more than 70MB of internal storage.
In retro spect, I hope that new and old users of the device provide more ROMs. But I don't think it is feasible..
Not because of the people using the devices - not at all - but because of the limit to the device's resources and because Microsoft won't be putting out anymore updates: Build 23676 is the latest and greatest from Microsoft as of the 14th of August. After this, I don't believe that there will be anymore updates to work with.
As a challenge, mate, I'd like to see people out there make a ROM with this build.

I'm personally waiting for android to be better completed and then jump completely over to that... which is wing linux.
Still, while the wm 6.x are a huge improvement over what came with the phone and was definitely worth it and appreciated... there are a few bugs that are annoying. It would be great to see those fixed but I don't expect it to happen. The current state is good enough to be better anyway.

I agree
Hi everyone
Dear Tribulattifather or may i call you "the king of the wing"
i have used your roms and they are all best. as you mentioned we have a limited resources ... i would like to cook new roms but 1 thing that i donnot know where to start , many threads but as a noob to cook i need some clear directions ,if you can point me a good direction so i will be the soldier for you ,
thanks again for care Tribulattifather

Your the best !
I found your guide about cooking roms ! the best developer ever ! i will try to put my ideas and make a new rom but not as a challenge !!!!

Thank you; I really appreciate your patronage.
I can't wait to see what you guys come up with. I was thinking about getting another Wing again. They're pretty cheap now.
If you make a ROM i'll test it out.

Thats good
Hi
Thanks ! is there any visual emulator of herald so it will help us preventing sudden bricking the phone ?
2- if i wanna use spb shell only i have to put it on cabs folder ?
thanks again

Well, if you plan on making custom firmware for your device you should HardSPL your phone.
But you actually don't need custom firmware for SPB.
There is unfortunately no emulator for our phones, however.

Thanks again .cuz i thought there was some emulator for hd2 , so i will try to collect as many icons as i can ! thanks again

Okay. Cool.
Hey, also, I just bought another Wing
So i'm ready whenever you are

ROM Comparison chart

I thought I'd leave you all with the ROM comparisons that I did when I was actively using my Universal. Half way through I upgraded to 128 MB, so this is reflected in some of the memory readings.
These are my own personal findings - I tested programs on the ROMs that I was interested in. Perhaps I'm opening a can of worms here, but I hope you find it useful.

Thanks Jonny!
Great information, will add to the FAQ
How do you feel with your new Rhodium?

My new rhodium is great - I'm not looking back! (Oops, perhaps I shouldn't have posted that here!). I know it doesn't run WP7, but there is certainly life in it yet (and I have a lot of bought programs which run on WM6.5 only, so I'm quite happy).

I enjoyed too my Rhodium!
And moved to Leo was a big shock for me coming from a real keyboard line devices...
I expect to go back to keyboard devices soon as I find a similar spec HTC device

Jonny could You paste this file with .xls extention? I don't have Office 2007 and i cannot get into it
Thx in advance
BR
buzolek

Ok, updated first post to include excel 2003 version Rom Compare3.xls

very useful information!thanks

Great
OMG...
You HAVE used your Uni buddy!
And I thought I was a serious user...still using though...nobody in my town knows what a 128 MB Uni means to me...will just keep it till I grow old.
I'm waiting for a really good WP7 piece...checked one HD7...but the software glithces.. or shortcomings are too many....let's see.

Hey kalya! nice to see you around
Perhaps would be wise to wait for Touch Pro 7

-Jonny- said:
I thought I'd leave you all with the ROM comparisons that I did when I was actively using my Universal. Half way through I upgraded to 128 MB, so this is reflected in some of the memory readings.
These are my own personal findings - I tested programs on the ROMs that I was interested in. Perhaps I'm opening a can of worms here, but I hope you find it useful.
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Great job!! Obrigado!

what next?
I don't know Orb...which would be my WP7 handset.
As always , win mo are dull,very down to earth,mature looking gadgets...they will never be fun and I accept that....
Just waiting for a great hardware & the new OS's perfect synchronisation.
Uni was it...we got maximum from it...but my country's mobile network never caught up with the handset.
Just waiting for it...hoping...HTC would almost deliver and I know XDA members will make it perfect.

Yes it´s true...
I have played with WP7 on my Leo and decided to go back to WM/Android as it´s to damn closed platform it seems like apple...
If WM is really dying which I doubt I think I go to Android instead...
Please let me know what you finally decide to upgrade
Cheers,

Maybe Galaxy Tab if nothing good comes out in the near future.
We win mo users don't want a new OS or high config devices as much we need really new --FRESH-- apps,but maybe the new apps reqire both the things..OS+new hardware.
Otherwise I stll have some of the handsets in my sig(and some nokia ones also)