Hi,
I'm not a developer but I think my idea is great.
1. Using CACHE partition (80Mb) as virtual ram
- I see that we are using swap ext partition to increase virtual ram, but access data speed of sdcard is not fast enough (for class2 or class4 sdcard),
- And I see that we have 80Mb free in cache partition which are only used when we use OTA update. But if we use a moded rom, why do we use OTA update ? access data speed of internal memory is really good, why don't we use cache partition as virtual ram ???
2. Runing faster with dalvik-cache on internal memory.
- As you know, after install an application, we will have apk file in data/app or data/app-private and some odex file in dalvik-cache.
- If we only use app2sd with data/app and data/app-private, our application will run faster.
Is that even possible? if it is, its really a nice idea.
The only problem with this idea is that you'd be using NAND flash for your memory. NAND has a limited number of writes before it starts to degrade. You would be much better off using less expensive SD card storage for virtual memory (swap)
cursordroid said:
The only problem with this idea is that you'd be using NAND flash for your memory. NAND has a limited number of writes before it starts to degrade. You would be much better off using less expensive SD card storage for virtual memory (swap)
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Translation: virtual memory would kill your onboard memory much faster than regularly, so it's better to use your SD card, which is cheaper / easier to replace.
At least that's what I got from it
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Some of you might now this well, if you had been through the older generation of the phones with very low internal storage space.
Apps2SD Script, Link2SD, and ... another lesser known flavor of App2SD have been used and still in use for a long time to make External SD cards as extended internal memory.
of course you'll need at least a Class 6 of better microSD to not feel the lag.
The great thing is the SGS4G as all its brothers/cousins models comes with its own 14 GB ~ 15 GB of internal storage space (SD card)
so when you use Apps2SD hard link script, or better yet Link2SD then it will by default use the Internal SD card as the memory extension
and you can still use the External SD to transfer stuff.
so even when you remove the External SD you wont disable the internal apps that are running.
the only IMPORTANT Rule to remember when you use this setup is to NOT USE the stock MOUNT USB
instead use the MULTI USB MOUNT or DUAL MOUNT both found in the android market.
that will prevent the Internal SD from being mounted as well, and causing the phone to reboot
[REF]
Link2SD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=919326
more details here to use ext3 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=923628
the good ol' Apps2SD hack before Froyo was even born
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742126&highlight=apps2sd
Dual Mount SD Widget
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.protocol.x.USB&feature=search_result
Multi Mount SD-Card Free
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rafoid.multimountsdcard.widget.free&feature=search_result
AllGamer said:
so when you use Apps2SD hard link script, or better yet Link2SD then it will by default use the Internal SD card as the memory extension
and you can still use the External SD to transfer stuff.
so even when you remove the External SD you wont disable the internal apps that are running.
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pardon my ignorance, i am getting confused by "internal" and "external" SD, I believe the "internal" is the one that comes with the phone, which one is the "external" one?
external SD = microSD
internal SD = 15 GB of internal space
internal Storage = 1 GB of full bloatware with only 180-ish MB usable space
you will not see external unless you stick in a 16GB or 32GB microSD into the phone
I am confused how this helps Galaxy S 4G users? The Galaxy S 4G lacks the 16gb internal SD, that is the issue. It only has 1gb internal memory of which only ~300 megs appear to be available for app install/storage out of the box. I understand you can install your apps on the external 16gb (included) SD Card but that has always been the case. What am I missing here?
Yeah, I'm missing something here too. The Vibrant has the internal storage of ~16mb while the gs4g does not...
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... wow im finding less and less of a reason to keep this phone ffs... i was told at the tmo store that it has 16g internal and thats not true. these sales reps need to learn there stuff
AllGamer said:
external SD = microSD
internal SD = 15 GB of internal space
internal Storage = 1 GB of full bloatware with only 180-ish MB usable space
you will not see external unless you stick in a 16GB or 32GB microSD into the phone
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Thanks for the help. Even though as dcam and Seanathan mentioned. This Galaxy S 4G phone doesn't come with the Internal SD space like it's brother's have.
If I run out of memory again for apps I will try this out. I manually did the "Move to SD Card" for all the Apps I was able to do that for to get more memory under the Setting's options.
This may sound odd to some, but I prefer the setup with the memory for the S 4G. I actually still have the Vibrant & recently got the S4G, & just out of curiosity, I loaded the same exact apps to the S4G as I had on the Vibrant. Having the apps on the SD card has a tremendous effect on the performance than having them on the internals. There is of course the lag issue on the Vibrant, but the S4G just just kept on trucking, no lags. I even went a step further & pulled up google maps, you tube, media player & still didn't skip a beat. I tried that with the Vibrant & I had to restart...
What people are posting about devs being able to do with 1gb on memory is stupid. I have an hd2 with 1gb running cm7 on it. I still have about 600mb free on it. Of course I use apps2sd on it but that's just a personal preference. Devs will be able to do plenty once all the bloat and crapware is stripped from the 4g
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Beefvvl said:
Thanks for the help. Even though as dcam and Seanathan mentioned. This Galaxy S 4G phone doesn't come with the Internal SD space like it's brother's have.
If I run out of memory again for apps I will try this out. I manually did the "Move to SD Card" for all the Apps I was able to do that for to get more memory under the Setting's options.
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yes, that is true
but the Apps2SD script hack, or the Link2SD still works with the External SD
if you use the Multi mount or Dual mount USB then you can access the files on the PC without breaking the connection internally for the phone apps
ironically that's one of the problem with the Nexus S, the lack of External SD support, and only 1GB of space, so everything needs to be moved to External SD, and be able to use it meanwhile you share file on the PC
has anyone tried to repartition with MiniTool Partition Wizard? after I resized the original partition, and tried to create a new partition, it gave an error messaging saying the new partition could not be created unless I delete all the partitions and re-create from scratch.
AllGamer said:
yes, that is true
but the Apps2SD script hack, or the Link2SD still works with the External SD
if you use the Multi mount or Dual mount USB then you can access the files on the PC without breaking the connection internally for the phone apps
ironically that's one of the problem with the Nexus S, the lack of External SD support, and only 1GB of space, so everything needs to be moved to External SD, and be able to use it meanwhile you share file on the PC
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Just curious. Which one is better out of the two or can you use both in conjunction with each other? Also which App2SD do you use? There are a couple from different devs.
Beefvvl said:
Just curious. Which one is better out of the two or can you use both in conjunction with each other? Also which App2SD do you use? There are a couple from different devs.
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both can be used together
although the Link2SD is quite straight forward
you just need to repartition the SD card to have a linux EXT partition
then you can use either the ext2 or ext3 to mount it and use Link2SD to manage the apps as you would use the native Apps2SD supported by Froyo and newer AOS
unfortunately the Froyo method of Apps2SD only works if the developer of the apps enables it
but Link2SD will force even apps that are not natively apps2SD capable to run from SD
Cool. Thanks for the info. I tried using App2SD from the market but I don't think this is the same App2SD hack that you are referring to. It didn't really help me much at all. I'll try out Link2SD maybe some other time.
I ended up using Titanium Backup and did moved apps to SD. I was able to move the pre-installed apps to SD and also all the other apps that weren't able to move to sd originally.
for the Apps2SD hack to work and/or Link2SD
you will need to have an External SD formatted with a 2nd partition to ext2 for it to work
update
the latest version of Link2SD is FAT32 compatible
so now you no longer have to partition and format the External SD card to have a linux ext2 partition
AllGamer said:
the latest version of Link2SD is FAT32 compatible
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I've found that some Linux systems have some speed penalty when writing to M$ filesystems. There have also been discussions about "aligning" FAT filesystems with flash blocks, such as http://www.patriotmemory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3696
Is there solid evidence about the relative speed of FAT32 vs. ext3 (or ext4) for the partition to be linked to?
I am so glad I found this thread! I've been pulling my hair out over this MAJOR design flaw of minimal app space on the Galaxy S 4G! I felt forced to root this wonderful phone just to have a chance at correcting the designers mistake. I thought I was going to have to wait for a ROM to be released.
I was at 50MB available space before this suggestion and now I have 188MB free! I used paragon partition manager and partitioned 350MB in ext3. That was more than enough, as I've only used about 170 MB of that space. Anyway, thanks all you great people!
How did you get TB to move pre-installed apps? Have tried that to no avail - thanks in advance.
Hi guys , I have been using this handset since october, i have tried all roms till date and other tweaks , one thing i still couldnt get it is how to increase the internal memory.. the whole things is still a zig zag puzzle for me. if sumone can help me with step by step tutorial , will be gr8. i have tried creating partition in my sd card via cwm , bt in vain. infact ended up corrupting my card and got it replaced.
nivedith007 said:
Hi guys , I have been using this handset since october, i have tried all roms till date and other tweaks , one thing i still couldnt get it is how to increase the internal memory.. the whole things is still a zig zag puzzle for me. if sumone can help me with step by step tutorial , will be gr8. i have tried creating partition in my sd card via cwm , bt in vain. infact ended up corrupting my card and got it replaced.
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Create partitions using Minitools partition wizard. Create ext4(256-512) and linux swap(0-128) partitions. Switch off your phone. Put the SD card in, trboot into recovery and wipe data. And then reboot.
dhirend_6d said:
Create partitions using Minitools partition wizard. Create ext4(256-512) and linux swap(0-128) partitions. Switch off your phone. Put the SD card in, trboot into recovery and wipe data. And then reboot.
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Coul you just elaborate about the Linux swap file? Is it just like the virtual memory on the SD Card? Suppose if we have 16GB card and create larger EXT4 partitions, would we have to still create Linux swap partition of just 128MB?
For those who facing problem of low internel memory(ROOT REQUIRED)
No need to partition SD card
1) install the app
2) backup with titanium backup
2)uninstall the app
4) go to titaninium backup->Preferences->Restore Backup to->externel media
5) Restore the app with Titanium backup,,
by app2sd u can verify location where the app installed.
And your memory will never go low.. u can manage easily..
sanjay.july said:
For those who facing problem of low internel memory(ROOT REQUIRED)
No need to partition SD card
1) install the app
2) backup with titanium backup
2)uninstall the app
4) go to titaninium backup->Preferences->Restore Backup to->externel media
5) Restore the app with Titanium backup,,
by app2sd u can verify location where the app installed.
And your memory will never go low.. u can manage easily..
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Through this way without partition, i guess the apps would be installed in FAT32 partition of the SD Card which is comparatively much slower to EXT4.
mrn123 said:
Coul you just elaborate about the Linux swap file? Is it just like the virtual memory on the SD Card? Suppose if we have 16GB card and create larger EXT4 partitions, would we have to still create Linux swap partition of just 128MB?
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Recommended is 128 MB. 128 MB is more than enough. Swap basically is storage place which can be used as memory by the operating system when system RAM is low.
logi or prima
dhirend_6d said:
Recommended is 128 MB. 128 MB is more than enough. Swap basically is storage place which can be used as memory by the operating system when system RAM is low.
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linux swap logical or primary?
1. Whats Ext 1, 2, 3, 4 etc....?
2. What's Swap Partition?
3. What exactly does App2SD and Data2SD allow me to do?
4. Is there any risk of partitioning the SD Card?
I will ask more as I remember after the above ones get answered....
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happy to help!
[email protected] said:
1. Whats Ext 1, 2, 3, 4 etc....?
2. What's Swap Partition?
3. What exactly does App2SD and Data2SD allow me to do?
4. Is there any risk of partitioning the SD Card?
I will ask more as I remember after the above ones get answered....
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Answers:
1.
Ext 1 2 3 4 are Linux File systems namely extended file system 1 2 3 4
which has their own pros n cons
generally journaling file system is backward compatible and performance of higher system is better than previous one.
2.
Swap
It is again a type of file system used by system namely Linux which has function as same as Page File in Windows
for start: when RAM gets overloaded, system moves some unusable data to swap while working on complex computations.
Generally 2x the size of phone RAM is advised for SWAP partition
3.
App2SD and Data2SD allows u to move apps from system to SDcard which in-turn saves ur phone memory
4.
Virually there exists no risk in partitioning SD card while flashing ur ROM
format using trusted tools like MiniPartition 7 etc.
njoy n keep browsing xda
kaustubhvp said:
Answers:
1.
Ext 1 2 3 4 are Linux File systems namely extended file system 1 2 3 4
which has their own pros n cons
generally journaling file system is backward compatible and performance of higher system is better than previous one.
2.
Swap
It is again a type of file system used by system namely Linux which has function as same as Page File in Windows
for start: when RAM gets overloaded, system moves some unusable data to swap while working on complex computations.
Generally 2x the size of phone RAM is advised for SWAP partition
3.
App2SD and Data2SD allows u to move apps from system to SDcard which in-turn saves ur phone memory
4.
Virually there exists no risk in partitioning SD card while flashing ur ROM
format using trusted tools like MiniPartition 7 etc.
njoy n keep browsing xda
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Ok thanks for the info mate.....
Is there any difference between App2SD and Data2SD?
oops, figured out myself
Apps2sd put apps to your SD. Data 2sd put app files to sd card
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how to increase the p500's internal memory?
I am facing a problem with an app, that it refuses to download the data package, saying that there isn't enough internal memory(it says it need around 270mb)(it's a game ), so I am wondering how to increase the internal memory. I know there are apps like link2sd, but I think that don't suit me because the app would just still detect "insufficient" internal memory.
how to increase the internal memory and also let apps detects enough memory?(I guess I need to mount the whole data partition from the ext-sd? just a guess, I don't know...)
dicksonlok said:
how to increase the p500's internal memory?
I am facing a problem with an app, that it refuses to download the data package, saying that there isn't enough internal memory(it says it need around 270mb)(it's a game ), so I am wondering how to increase the internal memory. I know there are apps like link2sd, but I think that don't suit me because the app would just still detect "insufficient" internal memory.
how to increase the internal memory and also let apps detects enough memory?(I guess I need to mount the whole data partition from the ext-sd? just a guess, I don't know...)
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`are you sure you linked the sd-ext properly? cos once it is, it should act as the usable internal memory of the phone.
try increasing the sd-ext size, say 1 gb, that should leave enough space for the game n all the other apps you wanna install. also, some ROMs are not compatible with ext2 partitons. try repartitioning to ext3 or just convert ext2 into ext3 using recovery.
follow these links if you have any doubts.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2142844
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143177
So I got the Moto G 1gb, 8 gigs of internal storage version.
I love this phone so far and I've pretty much set it up how I'd like it, but the 8gb internal storage has turned into an issue.
I got Appmanager III, moved pretty much everything to my 32 gig external, but I still have only like 600 mb to spare on the internal, with well over half of the external left over.
Is there another app that will allow me to move all the app data left over in the internal over to the external?
If that's not enough, I'd also be interested in knowing if there's any way I can force the system to use the external as the main storage for all the OS functions. I already used adb to set all the default downloads to the external.
Finally, I'd like to know if custom ROMs like cyanogenmod would use up less storage than the stock OS, or at least let me use more of my internal by reducing the amount of bloatware (why can i NOT get rid of google movies or google+??? come ON)
I'm rooted and have installed twrp so both root and custom recovery solutions are welcome. Thanks for your time and help!
If it were me, I'd make a Nandroid with TWRP on the external as well as a backup with Titanium and then use Titanium to delete unwanted bloatware. Wouldn't that help?
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bruce7373 said:
If it were me, I'd make a Nandroid with TWRP on the external as well as a backup with Titanium and then use Titanium to delete unwanted bloatware. Wouldn't that help?
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System apps, ie those that come with the phone such as google movies, live in the system partition. If they are updated then the update lives in the internal storage. Uninstalling via titanium will of course free up both system and internal storage space.
However just disabling them will be sufficient, this will remove all updates from internal storage and just leave the apk in the system partition. Its the internal storage that you want to be less full as this is where user apps, pictures etc all reside (assuming you haven't yet moved them to an SD card).
Disabling is less drastic than uninstalling and is maybe the preferred option in case you otherwise uninstall something that breaks your phone.
I've tried that, but for whatever reason if I disable, say, google play movie or whatever, my phone eventually ends up redownloading them? It's really odd and honestly pretty annoying.
I'd still like to know if there's any way to keep all the main app data on the external or something though. Are Cyanogenmod ROMs installers smaller? I don't need THAT much more space to feel comfortable, having 1 gigabyte would be ok with me. I just don't like having like 600 MB free at most...
EDIT: If I can just move the app data for a few games and Google Chrome, that should fix it, too. Those seem to be the real space hogs, so if I can move those I should be able to handle everything else
EDIT EDIT: Would an app like Link2SD work for this phone or has no one tested that yet?
Hi Tazzypilar, Yes Link2Sd wil work wery well. All wat you have to do is to install MiniTool Partition Wizzard Professional on your PC, then put your micro SD card in the cardreader on your desktop or laptop to make two partitions on your SdMicro card (card must be class 10). Start program MiniTool Partition Wizzard Professional and look for your microSD card on the list with disks. Right click on your removable disk (micro sd card) and you can resize your first Fat32 partition and make it smaller for at least 2 GB. After that you will have 2 GB unused space behind this Fat32 partition. Now click with right mouse on this unused space and choose „Create“ new partition and make it ext4 file system partition. You will be prompt „Are you sure that you want to make ext4 partiton because Windows can't see it ?“ and answare „Yes“ . So, one partition will be Fat32 and you can make it as big as you like depending on the size of your MicroSd card and second should be at least 2GB (or greater - also may be smaller, it's up to you) ext4 partition and there you will move your apps from the internal phone memory.
That's all, after that you have to install Link2Sd from playstore and link apps you like to move to your SdCard. Succes ! If you have more questions jut ask !
Greetz !
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Where did my storage go?
Just asked my self a very similar questions
I attachment a screen shot
From the 8gb 3,5 go to Android system
So 4,5gb for internal I thought., but no.
I installed about 2gb of apps and 200mb cache.
Ah I forgot to mention that this is a fresh install after factory reset and still I am missing alot of storage see screen shot
Is this normal? I am on stock not rooted with some apps already moved to SD Any ideas?
Upgrade to android M, use external SD as internal card
Why not upgrade to android M and use phone's feature to use external card as internal card.
sandipkc7 said:
Why not upgrade to android M and use phone's feature to use external card as internal card.
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I am glad you brought this up, guess what I am already on M and using the SD card feature, unfortunately I can only a small portion of the apps move to the SD card the rest stays internal
Look for posts on link2sd, it needs to be a fast card and then formatted using both std FAT and ext (linux) partitions. Then you can move almost everything.
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Though Im using LG H502F. Correct me if Im wrong but I think thats because the internal storage is emulated. Ive been using Link2SD and it works well. I can link app data and external data to the mounted partition. The only difference I noticed was... When opening the app it takes a couple of second or more compared to the unlinked apps... Anyways. Try to check if your storage is emulated. If it is, then that 3GB available space for a stock rom is as good as it gets. Mine have 8GB rom but the end user is only 3GB something.
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merlin2380 said:
I am glad you brought this up, guess what I am already on M and using the SD card feature, unfortunately I can only a small portion of the apps move to the SD card the rest stays internal
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In android M you can "transform" your sd card in internal memory (in Settings>Storage>SdCard>Definitions). If you have a fast 32 Gb card, you can format it to internal and it is as you have 32 Gb internal memory, but your sdcard must "live" with your phone (can't be used as sdcard in other device).
I think that is what @sandipkc7 means.
I did that not very usefull
merlin2380 said:
I did that not very usefull
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Tried internal storage option in marshmallow and at first i taught it was rubbish, but i kinda left sdcard alone and install another ROM.
So stuff on my internal storage was nowhere to be found. I installed latest recovery (TWRP) Flashed another rom and this is where things started to get interesting.
When i first converted sdcard to use as internal storage my phone was still eating up the internal memory 8GB on the phone.
Now however android system decided to do away with internal 8GB memory and use sdcard as a main storage. my photos are stored there and all data i noticed that almost everything is installed on sdcard now. so my storage is not vanishing away. I have about 1.7GB used on there.
There are some apps that can be moved manually to sdcard storage (converted to internal) - for example some of the system apps and most of google apps stay in phones memory not on sdcard and they can't be moved manually.
So my advise is covert your card to internal memory and then do factory reset or install another ROM.
Option 2 as mentioned above in posts is to use app called Link2SD - it is worth to opt for paid version which gives you more options of what to copy to 2nd partiton of your sdcard.
i have amazon fire 7 (£50 tablet) setup with option 2 - same storage 8GB. It works well. due to lack of marshmallow for this device i cannot use internal sd as an option. I have 2GB used there and rest sits on sdcard. i have installed few resource (storage) hugging apps - 1.2 GB, 2 GB each (gameloft games) - all moved to sd with link2sd app.
on my moto g 2015 i use android build in solution and it works well. You have to keep in mind that with this solution you can't simply copy files to your computer. Sdcard is encrypted at device level and it can only be access via your phone. However you can use any wifi file transfer app to copy some files over or via phones hotspot (i use droid over wifi or web pc suite to name few).
hope this helped a little
sandipkc7 said:
Why not upgrade to android M and use phone's feature to use external card as internal card.
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honestly, its not worth it to use sdcard as internal, despite the micro sd card being fast, it made my phone ridiculously slow..............
marsrolled said:
honestly, its not worth it to use sdcard as internal, despite the micro sd card being fast, it made my phone ridiculously slow..............
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Because of this slow down i did a reset to default settings. This did help and now the phone works much better, just make sure you always have 500MB empty on the internal storage, anything less and tbe phone performance goes down imediatly.
All the talking about this no so vreat sdcardinteral storage feature was too much for my 32 GB samsung evo micro sd card, it died less than 6 months of service. This was already the 2nd from the evo series that hung up on me and let me to dataloss thanks to google drive all was backedup
I will now root the phone and get a custom rom, probaply cm offical
Did you ever find out how to recover that lost 2GB? I have the exact same problem and managed to maybe find the 2GB in the /data folder; however it is sys locked and I'm not ready to root a brand new phone yet.
I have 8 apps installed (not counting google/motorola pre-installed) on my Moto G3 and showing 3.72GB used of 4.53GB available internal. It then shows 1.36 GB used by apps, 1.71 MB by cache. Other 2GB is a mystery?Device storage shows only 16GB used of 37GB availabe due to SD card.