So we have had many fantastic high-end pieces of hardware released, such as the HTC Diamond, HD, Samsung Omnia etc
but where is the software??!
All I see these days is developement for iPhone iPhone and iPhone. Do you remember the time when you could have any software need and you KNEW there was a windows mobile app out there to do the job.
Once of WM's advantages over the orignal iPhone were the thousands of apps - now it seems iPhone development in less than a year has overtaken WM development. iPhone gets plenty of cool new apps and we are snubbed..
Example
BBC iPlayer
Sky by Mobile
(Official) Facebook
Pandora
just where are the WM versions??!! I dont think WM is considered by developers to have any future, in terms of software - iPhone is the answer, however the limitations on the device and control apple have over the iPhone users media etc rules that out.
I love WM, I love the freedom, I love the range of devices out there - I just hate to see development dry up. After all, just what is WM without 'apps'?..
sadly it seems you are right
All this is happening just because I bought a HTC Diamond about 2 months ago...
I bought a UIQ3 device back in may and what happened? UIQ died! So I guess the same will happen to WM now, I bought the Diamond because I wanted to have lots of software to play with, I guess I was wrong.
Maybe it's time for me to kill the iPhone soon? I won't buy an iPhone before 2009 at least so iPhone users can stay calm for a while
Happily, I have to respectfully disagree!
Take a closer look to the - so called - iPhone Software Application. You will soon learn that there is no real piece of software developed other than WEB APPLICATION; they do not much more but 'fitting' the content of an ONLINE SERVICE on the iPhone screen!
With Windows Mobile on the other hand, you find a daily increasing ammount of software. For example, try to find something like GARMIN MOBILE XT, SYGIC McGuider or SPB Softwarehouse application for the iPhone. LOL, just don't say Google Maps - that is - once again - an ONLINE APPLICATION!
Not noticed by many, the WINDOWS MOBILE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT has gone different ways. Since everyone is entitled in these days to develop his own cool piece of software, there are entire communities out there, busy developing software for their own needs or helping others getting their stuff developed. Just check out the MSDN Forums for MOBILE DEVICES and you might get an impression what I am talking about.
Besides the HOBBY PROGRAMMERs developing for their own needs, even the commercial software market is releasing new application every day.
lets raise donation money for u to buy all iphone versions, and kill them, so we can have our software back
There is a cause to it. Maybe if Windows Mobile was less buggy and more user-friendly (maybe a more closed platform), it would be prevailing. But looking how little it changed in so long is a good clue of what's wrong. PalmOS pretty much died too because they never bothered giving its user anything else than barely updated Treos.
Windows Mobile won't die, but it will certainly not prevail. Nonetheless it still has its niche of developers, tweakers and do-it-all device lovers. What other mobile OS allows you to carry a photoshop clone one it?
This game is on Pc has it been ported to HD2 cant find anything on search but looks basic and pretty good.
I'm afraid that there is no winmo port nor any news about it, however it would be one of the coolest games for hd2 ever.
Might be able to get the swf file from the website version of the game running via flash lite on the hd2 (not tried)
That sucks why does the crappy iphone have all the good apps. Would be amazing if the HD2 could port the whole apple appstore
been waiting for this to be released on our HD2 for quite a while now.
otherworld said:
Might be able to get the swf file from the website version of the game running via flash lite on the hd2 (not tried)
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works in skyfire for me lol
Jammie_1989 said:
That sucks why does the crappy iphone have all the good apps. Would be amazing if the HD2 could port the whole apple appstore
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Probably because winmo phone owners don't support the microsoft app store enough to entice enough professional developers to put in the effort. They're happy to insult it even though its success/failure is probably related to the life blood of the windows mobile platform and their phone. I don't like Itunes/iphone as it is a horriblly closed platform - but millions buy from its app store so professional developers write for it and the platform (in terms of apps) flourishes. Yes, we've got a great freeware scene on windows mobile - but that doesn't attract professional developers who want to pay their bills with their talent.
I'd be interested to know why some of the best apps on XDA aren't on there - not every winmo/hd2 phone owner is going to go via XDA (unfortunately) but most will load up the app store at one point or another - xda could make a big difference to the perception of the microsoft app store (and hence the windows mobile platform as a whole) by releasing their best apps there too. Snowballs don't roll unless they're pushed.
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Probably because winmo phone owners don't support the microsoft app store enough to entice enough professional developers to put in the effort. They're happy to insult it even though its success/failure is probably related to the life blood of the windows mobile platform and their phone. I don't like Itunes/iphone as it is a horriblly closed platform - but millions buy from its app store so professional developers write for it and the platform (in terms of apps) flourishes. Yes, we've got a great freeware scene on windows mobile - but that doesn't attract professional developers who want to pay their bills with their talent.
I'd be interested to know why some of the best apps on XDA aren't on there - not every winmo/hd2 phone owner is going to go via XDA (unfortunately) but most will load up the app store at one point or another - xda could make a big difference to the perception of the microsoft app store (and hence the windows mobile platform as a whole) by releasing their best apps there too. Snowballs don't roll unless they're pushed.
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Excellent answer!
Spot on!!
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Probably because winmo phone owners don't support the microsoft app store enough to entice enough professional developers to put in the effort. They're happy to insult it even though its success/failure is probably related to the life blood of the windows mobile platform and their phone. I don't like Itunes/iphone as it is a horriblly closed platform - but millions buy from its app store so professional developers write for it and the platform (in terms of apps) flourishes. Yes, we've got a great freeware scene on windows mobile - but that doesn't attract professional developers who want to pay their bills with their talent.
I'd be interested to know why some of the best apps on XDA aren't on there - not every winmo/hd2 phone owner is going to go via XDA (unfortunately) but most will load up the app store at one point or another - xda could make a big difference to the perception of the microsoft app store (and hence the windows mobile platform as a whole) by releasing their best apps there too. Snowballs don't roll unless they're pushed.
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Its rather costly to put apps on Marketplace. And for the people who like to create free apps, it's counterproductive.
let's face it, winmo users have been used to sideloading apps for a decade...it isn't gonna change anytime soon.
SH4YD33 said:
works in skyfire for me lol
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I dare to say You are talking bull* sir... even if it works (I wasn't lucky enough to get through ad video) then I doubt if it's playable.
sigh... zuma 1.50 is so damn great.... imagine having pvz in Your pocket with same top notch quality.
kenkiller said:
Its rather costly to put apps on Marketplace. And for the people who like to create free apps, it's counterproductive.
let's face it, winmo users have been used to sideloading apps for a decade...it isn't gonna change anytime soon.
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This will change with WM7. Unfortunately, no backwards compatibility.
IMO, winmo users are completely different with Winphone 7 users
So "it's not gonna change anytime soon" quite right
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Its rather costly to put apps on Marketplace. And for the people who like to create free apps, it's counterproductive.
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It's not costly at all to put apps on marketplace. You can get five apps put on marketplace for just $99. My first app made that $99 back on the 1st night it went on sale (and that's just a UK only one) with four app submissions still to go included in the price. Even apps at the most minimal cost will recoup that 99. Why is their such a negative feeling to (our own) the microsoft app store. Especially from us! It's better T&C's than the apple one - and that one we're completely jealous of! We're our own enemy.
XDA could get behind our app store, support it, and be a massive contributor to it!, but mainly just stop insulting it or criticising it, or only ever mentioning the freeware app stores - we're the only ones who'll end up suffering for it if it never grows and therefore never attracts more quality apps and therefore our platform just dies from lack of professional developer support. I love winmo, but phones these days are being judged by their app stores, just look at http://best-apps.t3.com/ as an example - it doesn't make any mention of the thousands of freeware winmo apps available, or xda apps, just what is in the official app store - and it's lack of apps there is making winmo look crap.
I really wish too that some of the top app writers from the iphone would port some of their wonderful apps, but I can also see why they don't bother with the way the app store is perceived at the moment.
XDA could make a real difference to our platform - but I'm worried we prefer to 'hide away' in our web site with a superior look on our faces rather than actually getting out and showing the world what hd2's etc. can really do.
it works on iphone
Hi
I have seen the Star Walk iphone app and it looks amazing i went to the site and they have an older version thats it out for our phone but it keeps crashing i think it is to do with wm6.1 and the app is for 6.1, Is there any other software that does the same thing out there i have looked but could not find oat
jsmith_00 said:
Hi
I have seen the Star Walk iphone app and it looks amazing i went to the site and they have an older version thats it out for our phone but it keeps crashing i think it is to do with wm6.1 and the app is for 6.1, Is there any other software that does the same thing out there i have looked but could not find oat
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if you want someone to help you, then please state what the app "star walk" actually does
its an app for looking at the stars, it using gps and then tells u wot starts are above u
Sorry buddies,
it's the same old problem of any applications written for multi-type devices , starwalk for Iphone has one only hw configuration , so the developer can write code for a specific target (eg. the compass , fundamental for that use more than gps).
The version for windows mobile is old and not scalable for WVGA resolution , it freezes when you try to set your location ... the only work around is to set the VGA res. of the HD2 with a tool , but the graphic becomes orrible.
We have to wait for the next release to have this bug fixed , but anybody really thinks that Vito Tech. will spend time and money to fix an app for a dead OS like WM 6.5 , they will wait for WM7 , this's my opinion.
HD2 is the best at the moment ... but the apps written for this device are less than 20 , WM7 will give us the chance to have an increment of the apps for devices like HD2 , thanks to the elevation of the hw specifics required.
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there's this one:
http://iwindowsmobile.com/astronavigator.html
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there's this one:
http://iwindowsmobile.com/astronavigator.html
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thanks the one i have, and have probs with
Yeah it works fine until you activate the GPS then it crashes... Quite a shame seeing as it used to work perfectly on the Diamond.
Stella Theater Pocket
I'm using Stella Theatre Pocket ver 1.30 and it works great on my Leo. Graphics is good, relatively finger friendly although the menu options are a bit small. Still easy to use with a lot of features.
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HD2 is the best at the moment ... but the apps written for this device are less than 20 , WM7 will give us the chance to have an increment of the apps for devices like HD2 , thanks to the elevation of the hw specifics required.
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and that's written here...
in marketplace there's perhaps 20 apps... but there are 1000s of applications for 6.5 / hd2 (serious applications ) in the www and especially here at xda-devs...
And let's see if wm7 with all the restrictions will ever have a convenient marketplace. for wm6.5 you will find enough apps, if you only search for.And much are free,too.
So I don't see,that 6.5 is dead.and ms will still further develop it.
if you want to pay for the convenience not to search here or in google, then hope for wm7...or buy iPhone If you want an individual device with much apps but without a useful marketplace - then 6.5-device (btw: ever looked for "openmarket" ? )
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MichelDiamond said:
and that's written here...
in marketplace there's perhaps 20 apps... but there are 1000s of applications for 6.5 / hd2 (serious applications ) in the www and especially here at xda-devs...
And let's see if wm7 with all the restrictions will ever have a convenient marketplace. for wm6.5 you will find enough apps, if you only search for.And much are free,too.
So I don't see,that 6.5 is dead.and ms will still further develop it.
if you want to pay for the convenience not to search here or in google, then hope for wm7...or buy iPhone If you want an individual device with much apps but without a useful marketplace - then 6.5-device (btw: ever looked for "openmarket" ? )
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Microsoft marketplace is nothing respect Apple Store , everybody knows it ; but it doesn't matter , it has a lot of margins of improvement ...
About the 1000 serious apps for hd2 I don't see them , how many apps are really touch-oriented ???? Still pocket star 6.1 is a serious app but is not written for our device ...
How many geotagging apps for wm 6.5 are touch-oriented + use the compass and are for WVGA resolution ???
I'm sorry to say it , but microsoft is loosing a lot of piece of market either of devices than of software developers that are not encouraged to develope new apps for this os ...
Increasing the hw requirement to reach the ones into the HD2 is the only way to standardize the software and to improve it , device builder will expand the resolution of the new models , will use all the capacitivity tech for the screens that means touch-oriented ... and so on ; that's why I hope in new WM7 , just for that ... I don't believe it will change completely how to use a mobile device , but it will make something that sounds as standard , at the moment the Tytn II is still the most wm smartphone sold in Europe in hystorical selling , very distant from the HD2 , ehh ???
@pippopluto1970:
I agree with you, that Apple Store has a lot of margins of improvement, first.
E.G. they could relax the restrictions...
Second, there is one small difference, between the Apple and MS, and this is the principle:
IF, and only IF all of the smartphones will have SAME specification, you can think about the standard.
If you want to buy Apple phone, your choice will be: iPhone or IPhone. Of course, you can have third option: iPhone, but this is exclusive, for the chosen customers only. Very Wide range of models, indeed.
So, sorry, mate, but when I'll be bored by my HD2, I'd like to have some options, other than another HD2, maybe some new Samsung? Acer? Or whatever will be DIFFERENT.
Standardization was very good in the age of Ford-T, but later was not so effective.
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Standardization was very good in the age of Ford-T, but later was not so effective.
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That's a rather silly generalization...
Would you like a pile of VHS and Betamax tapes? HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays? Of course not!
Standardization isn't always a good thing but it can be.
What a treasure this forum is !
I was desperately looking for an astronomy app (and I know HOW to google) and thanks ! You gave me the hint for Stella Theatre 1.3
Still would like to know if astronavigator definitely crashes on the HD2. Can u use download as trial and if it works THEN pay or do You have to pay before 1st launch ? (interface looks nice, would be willing to pay if it works flawless)
NeoGreendawg said:
That's a rather silly generalization...
Would you like a pile of VHS and Betamax tapes? HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays? Of course not!
Standardization isn't always a good thing but it can be.
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Of course, I'd like. I like to have DVD's copied into net HD, which I can play on any TV set in home, because watching BR on 20inches TV in the kitchen is pointless, while if I want to see the additional features, or if I want to see HD movie in living room, I'm using the BR disc.
Emmm... going to the PC, which I think is closer: I'm still preferring the PC with plenty of configurations and possibilities over the configurations and "wide" choice of dedicated features given by Apple iPad. Let's say: I'd like to expant or replace the HD, battery or graphic card.
Similarly, I prefer plenty of the mp3 players over the iPod choice (let's say: I don't want to instal few hundreds MB application, connected to the web, to upload one single mp3 to my device).
Going to the phones and your example:
What is the discussion about? If you'll like the standard, and don't want to have choice between options... well, first: Apple iPhone is the best for you.
Second: XDA principle, to CUSTOMIZE, and to develop new, breaking standards apps and features, is definitely not for you.
Why to choose between the plenty of calendars, if you already have one, standard, supplied with the phone?
Why to digg after the non-standard, modified, Today screen?
Why to look after additional, non-standard software?
All of the above, you have supplied in the beloved by you standard version, with the phone.
I hope, that above is detailed enough for you.
@spamtrash
You obviously can't read very well because I never said that I wanted everything to be standardized, I simply said that in some cases it was a good thing. You completely ignored my point about competing formats where one of the two eventually died out leaving early adopters with an expensive but worthless pile of junk.
Even your example about calendars is completely idiotic if you think about it in a larger sense... How would you go about your day to day business if it's Saturday, May 29th for you and Beetlebum, Camel the the oighteenth for someone else?
You're just another rebel without a cause who can't appreciate that some things are better off standardized.
@NeoGreendawg:
Sorry, but your approach that EVERYBODY needs the day to day business doing, particularly on the phone, is completely idiotic.
More idiotic is pointing that this is good that HD DVD died, leaving the monopoly of BD, without any competition, having the "only one proper" standard. The consequence is visible in the shops, that the BD discs are slightly more expensive now (when the standard is matured, but without the competitor) then it was previously, when HD DVD was on the next shelf.
And, finally, I'm not a rebel. I have grown in the country, where in the shops it was only one washing machine type, two or three car types (you can google and compare the differences between the Zaporozhetz, Lada 1300, Fiat 125p to have closer look on the choice in the late 70's and early 80's), two or three TV sets etc. I just have enough experience with the communism, when the Sun of Carpathia, Father of the Nation, or another idiot got an idea that everybody wants to have standardised thing.
Sadly for you, it was the Solidarnosc in Poland, Berlin Wall is crushed, and Ceaucescu has left his palace, not mentioning the there is no USRR anymore.
You must be sad ...
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@NeoGreendawg:
Sorry, but your approach that EVERYBODY needs the day to day business doing, particularly on the phone, is completely idiotic.
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Yet again, learn how to read, I was extrapolating and not even speaking about the phone in what you are referring to... Secondly, without some standards (say working from 9 to 5) people wouldn't be able to get along with one another so easily and nobody would be as productive.
I also never said that HD-DVD or Betamax deserved to die out, but they did and it's not some disgruntled person from an ex-Soviet state who's looking for a utopia which simply doesn't exist like yourself who's going to bring them back (for better or worse)...
And third and finally, no, I'm not sad, I'm just angry that you're incapability to read and understand English has lead you to repeatedly misunderstand what I've been saying.
Anyway, we're way OT... Sorry about that. PM me if you want to continue this...
Sorry, but I don't communicate properly with the communists.
Secondary, I'd like to avoid the discussion to with the brain disabilities as advanced as yours, that they are thinking that the communism was only in the Soviet Union.
I don't know, maybe this is an education lack of geography in the Primary School, taken by the Greenpeace...
And: finally, sorry for my english, I live in UK since last 6mths only, invited by the silly company who want to break the standards and asked me to correct the way of thinking some of the company poorly educated staff... After all, if the RR personnel understands what I mean, there is still possibility, that you will as well, but start from the geography first. Then, maths maybe.
Thank you spam,
you made me laugh a lot so this is quite a good start in the day. Incredibly, you are turning a conversation about astronomy programs in an anticommunist-hate-race that would make old McCarthy smile - and by the way - yes saying that standardization CAN bring benefits sure is a true and real proof that Neo is one of these damned Commies ..... Gotta get your rifle, do you????
getting back on stream . . .
I like Pocket Stars:
http://nomadelectronics.com/PocketPC/PocketStars/default.aspx
I'm a veteran .NET develop who is currently carrying an IPhone 4. I've carried Focus and Captivate in the past for varying lengths of time. There are certainly strength and weaknesses of all the phones.
My question is about which one to develop for. I really want to get into mobile app development. Iphone has so many apps that it can be hard to get noticed in that marketplace. Android has a lot of apps too and the market is so fragmented. WP7 is a good fit because of my .NET background and the low (relatively) number of apps in the marketplace but it also has a low (relatively and actually) number of users.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
For all the reasons you gave I'd say go all-in with WP7. It's a growing OS and you can get a nice following early which will get handy when the number of users is high. Just accept your revenues will be low at first.
I wish I could program myself as I have app ideas but can't make them real.
Go for it.
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For all the reasons you gave I'd say go all-in with WP7. It's a growing OS and you can get a nice following early which will get handy when the number of users is high. Just accept your revenues will be low at first.
I wish I could program myself as I have app ideas but can't make them real.
Go for it.
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Microsoft is also offering a lot of resources to make developing easier and i'm sure there will be a growing network once the new APIs arrive.
...I recently read in some blog that WP7 user are more likely and willing to pay for well written apps then Andoid or Apple user who have tendency to expect everything to be free ....
Well it's not as if WP7 is stagnant, there might be a low amount of users now compared to others but it's growing and establishing an app now may make it well known and even critical in the future to all those new users.
That plus development is piss easy
While I would also recommend developing for Windows Phone 7 (if you make a great app now and WP7 grows in the future with Nokia etc, you can easily profit from that), you should keep in mind the issue with piracy on Windows Phone 7 if you plan to develop paid apps.
An alternative might be to develop free, ad-supported apps but I think MS only pays you if you live in the US.