http://phandroid.com/2011/01/13/com...ates-of-all-carriers-manufacturers-in-the-us/
I just wanted to bring to discuss all the bs surrounding these two companies (samsung and motorola) and the owners that purchase their devices. So glad I stuck with the true android gurus HTC!
lol I feel so sorry for you samsung and motorola owners. It obvious these two companies are known for poor customer support, build quality and most important getting updates out to their phones...and yet you guys continue to feed them their money. Why do they continue to invest in these companies that are KNOWN for having slow to no updates and not having good customer support for previous phones? Just look at their track record...
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/oh-hai-motorola-wherefore-art-my-updates/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/05/samsung-says-behold-2-not-upgradeable-beyond-android-1-6/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/06/bad-move-for-motorola-t-mobile-and-android-in-general/
You think the you samsung owners would have learned after that whole behold 2 fiasco...but i guess not. Now the vibrant owners have to deal with samsung bs....
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/12/rum...ate-being-purposely-held-due-to-vibrant-plus/
(What sucks most about this above one...my friends ancient mytouch 3g even has froyo, so your telling me the vibrant cant get any froyo love?...lmao samsung you fail.)
And just when you thought the NS owners were going to be that "special" group...lol think again...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-gt-i9023-hits-fcc-a-new-version-of-the-nexus-s-with-and/
The point that im trying to make is that they need to just stick with HTC. Almost every phone they have put out has been amazing for their time. The original g1, nexus one, evo, incredible, g2, desire, desire HD, mytouch 3g and 4g etc... All of these phones produced by HTC were amazing in their own right and had the customer support of htc to back them. Even if updates were "slow" ( and HTC updates are no where near as slow samsung and motorola) HTC would always keep their customers in loop about what was happening with their phones.
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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.
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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.
Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
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Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.
As you can tell, Motorola updates only Verizon phones. Samsung updates their phones... eventually. HTC is the best in terms of upgrading and I did hear that the myTouch Slide is getting froyo.
That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.
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That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.
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I heard that was similar to the Droid.
HTC does have more experience in the smartphone market (for the most part, they only release smartphones) so maybe that explains why they can update quickly.
Exact same except for the GSM radio. Now why Motorola has not committed to updated Milestone, nobody knows. They've updated their other Milestone lineup, and even just released the Milestone 2.
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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.
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Lol compared to the other two..yes they are . I'm guessing you didn't read my response about me being a previous motorola owner and learning my lesson. I bough the phone under the impression I would be receiving good customer service and timely update. But guess what...I didn't, and I learned my lesson. Look at the links, read my comments fully before you comment troll.
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.
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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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Eh, I love HTC and in many ways they do excel but I gotta say they are lacking in the display department. Fortunately I own 14 phones (11 of which are HTC) so any time I want to watch a movie I pull out the focus. Other times, eh, venue pro or HD7. HD2 if I ever feel like tweaking stuff again.
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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
Motoblur is a rare garbage. I believe only no-lifers want to know "what their friends up to on every social network." This is the only reason I still try not to buy the defy. Why the hell a guy, who does sport stuff and would like a durable phone, needs effin facebook 24/7? Wrong target Motorola.
PS: Didn't Motorola said that they would discontinue Blur? I guess not..
Back to HTC. I own myTouch 3G and love it. It is trully a killer phone of it's time. Now there is no real killer phone from HTC. Quantity took over quality. They make ten new models every few month... I believe they should slow down and desing a real phone, that would kick all asses.
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Imo, they all suck and are only getting worse. And the real disrespect, is the disrespect shown by manufacturers towards their customers.
Sure, sure... if we squeak loud enough they'll throw us an update bone every now and again. (Provided you've bought the phone in their lineup they deem worthy to update). Of course that comes after they've got the next money-making piece of hardware ready to roll.
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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?
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Ok first things first...STOP POSTING ABOUT HARDWARE ISSUES. Yes all phones have hardware issues which can be fixed/ handled by sending your phone to be replaces. This thread is about the updates and customer support. I dont know why you cant read through my entire posts before writing. Your making yourself look ridiculous. No one is disputing the fact that their are hardware issues with ALL phones, what i disputing is the lack of support and customer compliance with samsung and motorola vs HTC. LOOK AT THE FIRST ARTICLE IN MY ORIGINAL POST BY PHANDROID.
Lol the thing that bothers me most about this post is that you continue to say im disrespecting people. Im an original Motorola cliq owner. I only said that i felt sorry for current and recently past Samsung and Motorola customer customers due to their companies horrible customer service and updates. I BACKED UP those remarks by posting recent articles from CREDIBLE WEBSITES, NOT JUST FORUMS OF A COUPLE ANGRY PEOPLE, that took the time out to RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A HUGE MAJORITY of people dealing with these issues.
Lol and btw, the mytouch and hero users you mention were at least kept up to date with when their updates would be coming. Although the UPDATES DID TAKE A WHILE, HTC MADE SURE TO AT LEAST tell them the reason why and when they could expect them. Due to the lack of hardware support for such an old device. Btw i mentioned this in my original post post which shows me instead of being a calm objective reader you got a flamed head and skipped over that. Samsung and Motorola are notorious for ACTUALLY SETTING DATES and then ON THAT DATE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AN UNDEFINED DELAY. I remember waiting about 4 months after for my update and then on the day of getting a message on a forum admin that "oh hey sorry guys there is no update, not sure when its coming but they are working on it". No reason as to why they did not have the update ready or even if they were actually working on it. That my friends what i call horrible customer relations and customer support.
Oh and how can i relate this with Samsung...My girlfriend had a Behold 2...enough said.
Oh and while your at it, why dont we just stick to android devices please, i actually have no idea how htc handles their other platforms. I am only relating android device from the 3 manufacturers.
hungry81 said:
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
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Thank you troll, can you bring your negative remarks to another thread please?
No one outside tech sites care about updates.
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No one outside tech sites care about updates.
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lol this is very true unfortunately.
I was curious what was your reason behind purchasing either a phone, tablet, or slate? Please Bold the device name, so we know the product. Some products have common names, such as Desire. Most of know about HTC Desire but its for new the comers.
Hay Tolls... Don't judge people, Thank you.
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So I've purchased the last year and half
Nexus, To get into Development and I needed an unlock phone. My iPhone 3G was slow and Nexus was just shockingly fast.
iPad: It had 3G and GPS, i wanted to use it as GPS Dashboard. I ran into troubles with the apps, none of the apps support the full screen navigation till several months later.
iPhone 4: Development and just to be hip (don't slam me for being hip...)
Nexus S: Also great for development and the damn thing had a front facing camera that I could use within development apps.
Moto Atrix: 4G*, Dual Core, frontfacing camera, GFX, 1gig of ram, and I thought it would be great for development but I prefer the Nexus S. Honestly, I love my Atrix but its a pain. Its running on 2.2 as of now, the 4G connection is slower than 3G, and MOTO Blur. Moto Blur should be an option on its devices.
Asus Eee transformer: It was cheap, fast, and of course (you guessed it!) for development...
I got this Desire about a year ago. When i choosed it i could also pick a Galaxy S and an iPhone4 (contract). I didn't pick the Galaxy because i wasn't convinced about the build quality, the annoying lack of flash and notification led annoyed me and also because at that time development for that specific phone was kinda weak. The iPhone wasn't even worth considering because iOS4 was piss poor compared with froyo, and also because xda goodies were just too tempting for me. Probably if the iPhone had iOS5 on it already, with many android features copied, my choice would have been a little harder, but i was so curious about android that i would have probably grabbed the Desire anyway.
I find it interesting that a lot of people now are working towards Android, what made you decide on Android when you had options like WebOS, Windows Mobile, Symbian. Or Was it the hardware too?
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I find it interesting that a lot of people now are working towards Android, what made you decide on Android when you had options like WebOS, Windows Mobile, Symbian. Or Was it the hardware too?
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Well actually being a long trade HTC fan helped me deciding. I was coming from a winmo 6.1 HTC device (Cruise) and i wanted to try out android. Sure hardware was also something i took into account: android phones were much better than any symbian back then already, and WP7 seemed unable to compete in terms of functionality, it seemed to be a really locked down os plus i truly hated the interface (and i still do lol). WebOS was actually worth considering, but it already felt like something from the past: back in the days of the big android boom i saw google's platform as the best option, tho i always appreciated palm devices in terms of form factor and ease of use.
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Well actually being a long trade HTC fan helped me deciding. I was coming from a winmo 6.1 HTC device (Cruise) and i wanted to try out android. Sure hardware was also something i took into account: android phones were much better than any symbian back then already, and WP7 seemed unable to compete in terms of functionality, it seemed to be a really locked down os plus i truly hated the interface (and i still do lol). WebOS was actually worth considering, but it already felt like something from the past: back in the days of the big android boom i saw google's platform as the best option, tho i always appreciated palm devices in terms of form factor and ease of use.
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I love how Palm's GUI and user experience is right in the middle of being like an iPhone and Android. Its pretty as an iphone but open like android device. Its an ideal OS but I think the hardware... Thats whole different story, Its so small.
Motorola Milestone 2: Because I needed a new phone and wanted a qwerty keyboard and wanted to try something different (android)
Incredible: I wanted a decent Android phone with development going strong and it was only $99 at the time.
Nook Color: Wanted a tablet but couldn't dish out $300+.
Heyallo said:
Motorola Milestone 2: Because I needed a new phone and wanted a qwerty keyboard and wanted to try something different (android)
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what did you have before?
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Incredible: I wanted a decent Android phone with development going strong and it was only $99 at the time.
Nook Color: Wanted a tablet but couldn't dish out $300+.
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I had the desire to purchase Nook Color and turn it into a honeycomb device but I really needed a snappy processor and a good graphic accelerator. Have you hacked the Nook Color and if so, with what?
Last year and a half for me:
iPhone 3GS 32GB White: Loved my original iPhone from 2008 (primary on TMO), but it couldn't run any new apps so I upgraded and the price was right. Sold it.
iPhone 3GS 16GB Black: I really did not like white. At all, so I bought this, but it was an unlockable baseband, ugh. Sold it.
HTC Desire CDMA: My backup phone (Touch Diamond on Verizon) was getting too old, so I thought I'd pick up something modern to replace it.
Droid Incredible AMOLED: Bought for my wife to use on PagePlus, to replace the original iPhone she had since 2008 on TMO. She loves it, hates iPhones.
Droid Incredible SLCD: Liked my wife's D-Inc better than the HTC Desire, but I liked the Desire's SLCD better than the AMOLED, so I got an SLCD D-Inc for myself.
Nexus One: I bought it to use on TMO, because after using the D-Inc, I didn't like my white iPhone 3GS at all. Not just because I don't like white phones, but because its low-res screen looked like crap in comparison. Love the N1, still have it, but plan to sell.
iPhone 4: My new primary on TMO, replaced the N1. Main reason for it, because I already have a D-Inc as a backup, my wife has a D-Inc, and we both decided variety=good, better not to have too many of the same thing, so iPhone it is. I do like it, love the Retina display, build quality, size, thinness, how it feels in the hand, smooth games, and I'm much happier with it now that I found a nice HTC Clock for it.
HTC Surround: Mostly got this because it was a good price (at the time) on the marketplace, and I'm already familiar with Android and iOS, I wanted to see what WP7 is like. I am actually more impressed with it than I expected to be. UI a bit boring, but the same apps on WP7 are WAY nicer than their iOS and Android counterparts. Only problem is, there aren't very many apps available in general.
Samsung Omnia II i920: WM6.5 phone, bad ESN, that I picked up cheap. Sort of got it in my head this would be a nice dev phone. I thought it would be cool to write an "Alien Dalvik" for WM6.5 so it could run Android apps. I just hate the thought of all the millions of "obsolete" WM6.5 phones out there and had the idea that a Dalvik VM for WM would be a very good form of recycling. Will probably end up selling as I seldom follow through on any idea I ever get.
MyTouch 3G: It was cheap, thought it could make a nice desk clock that auto-sets its time/date. It would have cost at least as much to buy an atomic desk clock that's always lit, and this could even display weather at the same time.
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A very old HTC Touch HD running Windows Mobile 5.1 (or was it 6.1, I forget the number)
HTC Evo 4G: I love Android, easily rooted/unlocked. Bought used on eBay several months ago. Won't upgrade until contract is up in Feb 2012. Bought to replace HTC Hero CDMA on Sprint.
HTC Hero CDMA (aka HeroC): Bought refurbished from Sprint for $80, no contract renewal needed. I bought this to get rid of a crappy Blackberry 8520 I was using on Sprint that I got free when I started my contract. For me, Android does what I need.
Blackberry Curve 8520: Bought because all my friends had Blackberries. While I found it useful for sending text messages, I found it useless for about everything else (web browser)!
All phones were on the Sprint network.
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A very old HTC Touch HD running Windows Mobile 5.1 (or was it 6.1, I forget the number)
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I love my HTC Touch HD, sleek for its time.
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HTC Evo 4G: I love Android, easily rooted/unlocked. Bought used on eBay several months ago. Won't upgrade until contract is up in Feb 2012. Bought to replace HTC Hero CDMA on Sprint.
HTC Hero CDMA (aka HeroC): Bought refurbished from Sprint for $80, no contract renewal needed. I bought this to get rid of a crappy Blackberry 8520 I was using on Sprint that I got free when I started my contract. For me, Android does what I need.
Blackberry Curve 8520: Bought because all my friends had Blackberries. While I found it useful for sending text messages, I found it useless for about everything else (web browser)!
All phones were on the Sprint network.
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I feel sorry for BB lately, its going down hill fast. They made a pretty bad moves since the iPhone came out. Nice bargin on HTC Hero, lovely device.
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I feel sorry for BB lately, its going down hill fast. They made a pretty bad moves since the iPhone came out.
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Same here, i still hope that they manage to release something nice soon, the new bold coming out on september isn't that bad it seems...
iPhone 3GS 16GB Black: First experience with smartphone. And needed one for work wich allowed me to connect and synch easy with my workspace
Galaxy Apollo: Had some issues with iphone sold it and got this pretty cheap Android phone. Using it for roughly a year now and like it alot. Perfect synch to both work and personal spaces.
iPad: Won it so didn't buy it but really didn't like or needed it that much so sold it after 1 month and got myself a new video card
First i had a LAMEE chocolate (BL-40) from LG - never had a worse phone on my life. I wanted to try touchscreen and stuff, and it was almost free...
Then i switched to a blackberry. That was a total deception. EVERYBODY said that Blackberry was soooo good, i found it to be an average phone at best.
After that i switched to a Xperia X10, which came with a malfunction on the usb conector and tech support declared it as bad use. (never trust brazilian tech support - is the worse). I got it resoldered, and it worked for another 10 months. - I wanted a phone with android mostly because of its sync, to have all my services linked with my gmail account was awesome.
Last saturday i got a Samsung Galaxy SII, and so far is the best. I decided not to go with Sony anymore, and i wanted one of the newest. I'm yet to experience lag with it...
The I i saw the dell venue pro running the sexy wp7 UI i was in love. I had a few of the big name android devices that were huge at the time and they just seemed slow in comparison. Then there was the ergonomic feel, the curved glass, the keyboard that's flawless for one-handed use... Everything about this phone is just flawless IF you weren't one of the ones who got one of the faulty initial devices.
iPod Touch 3G My MP4 broke
Moto Defy Because I needed a new phone, and this seemed the best for my spesifications, and, well, for development. For example, I am trying to port Motoblur widgets and apps into MIUI.
HTC Legend - Bought this because I needed the Chuck Norris of smartphones. You could hammer some nails with this baby. The size is also spot on for me.
HTC Thunderbolt: 4G (15-20mbps downloads). 'Nuff said.
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what do you guys think about adding photos of your gadgets? it would be nice if you guys personalized those gadgets
I currently use a AT&T Tilt 2 (aka HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium) and I love most everything about it, especially the keyboard, but I am increasingly becoming aware of how limited it is compared to the newer phones on the market that have faster processors, much more RAM, and far superior cameras/camcorders. I'm not much of a techie, but I can understand flashing/tweaking my devices if the instructions are clear enough, so I've been trying to research the new phones on the market on my own to decide what my next device should be... Now, I'm even more confused than I was before!
I've always used Windows Mobile (Siemens SX56, then SX66, then Kaiser, now Rhodium), therefore I have no experience with Android or Windows 7. Android seems like the logical progression, as it's not locked down like W7 and iPhone, but I am hesitant about going over to the unknown and regretting it. My (very un-technical) wish list for a new device is:
New device MUST have a hard, slide-out, landscape keyboard (so, iPhones need not apply! LOL)
Decent camera with flash and HD video (preferred)
Sync well with Microsoft Outlook, as my entire life is in my Contacts, Calendar, Tasks, etc.
Must have GPS (but I believe most devices have GPS anyway) -- I currently use Bing for navigation, as it is free and has voice-guided directions
Must either have large memory capacity or expandable memory (card) capability
I'm not a gamer by any stretch, so I'm not looking for a toy, but to have a device that would actually play decent videos (from YouTube and the like) would definitely be a plus. Also, I find that I don't use my Rhodium much for music, as I'm able to store much more music on my 60GB MP3 player than I would on my device anyway.
I basically want a phone that will contain & manage my life, allow me to easily sync with my computer(s), act as my portable computer, and have a few cool bells/whistles to make my life easier. I've looked at what AT&T has on offer and the only device that I seem to like is the LG Quantum, but I am very hesitant since the prices on Ebay have some down pretty drastically on that one (you can pick one up for a little over $100 now, which can't be a good sign if Rhodiums are still selling for almost the same price) and the new W7 system just doesn't entice me yet. I want to control a lot on my phone, so I feel like I might be taking a step backwards if I went with that device. I'm not opposed to getting an unlocked phone from another carrier, but I want to be sure that I am still able to get the most out of whatever device I buy.
What devices out there would fit my criteria? What have those who also loved their Rhodiums switched to? Is there anything on the horizon for AT&T users that I should wait for?
Thanks for allowing me to pick your XDA brains! I've been here for several years and have always found our members helpful and knowledgeable, so I appreciate and respect your insights/opinions... Thank you!
Debbie
I want a great HTC keyboard device with Android but nothing has came out, hope next bunch of mobiles in Sept/Oct can bring some
Not true. Wife has the T-Mobile G2 which is an HTC phone. It is great.
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Not true. Wife has the T-Mobile G2 which is an HTC phone. It is great.
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Same here.... T-Mobile G2 is cool phone...
my wife has the HTC evo shift, which is great, also the mytouch 4g slide is an amazing phone.
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Hi,
I have been here for a while now and am at the point where I have a great relationship with my transformer and my phone (although fussy at times).
I have a stock TF101 32GB with latest updates.
My phone is Omni2 with WM6.5 and I run WMwifiRouter using Bluetooth to tether for internet when I'm out (a little cumbersome, but once setup it works well).
Question: I am at my upgrade date (Verizon) and am thinking about upgrading my phone.
I'd like to be able to do the same tethering (obviously without paying the $30/mo. tether fee as I don't now) or better and I need a phone that can sync with my Outlook (just calendar, contacts, notes, etc) as I'll get my emails either on the phone or through the TF.
I have never rooted anything although I'm curious to give it a try after reading so many posts here.
Any thoughts are appreciated - the input is always great!
Well with a custom ROM you usually automatically get portable hotspots unlocked without the plan.
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Last week I talked the guy that takes care of our cell phone plan at our company to switch me from a HTC Touch Pro II running WM6.5 (that I rooted so I could tether my Transformer) to a HTC EVO running Android 2.3.
I am SO greatfull to finally be on an Android phone!!!! Of course out of the box it is $30 a month for HotSpot support but tethering with a cable works well. I haven't tried a bluetooth tether yet. I will be rooting the EVO soon to get free hotspot support.
I really miss the slide out keyboard of the Touch Pro II but love the extra screen realestate on the EVO! I have very fat big fingers and have problems with touch screen typing. The big EVO was not as bad as I was expecting for texting because of its big screen but it is not nearly as good as a physical keyboard. I ordered a pocketable blue tooth keyboard for under $20 which I will try. Another caveat of the EVO is pretty dismal battery life... so I ordered a $65 3500ma battery to improve that although it will make the sleek phone quite a bit more clunky. My first choice over an EVO would have been the ASUS Padphone... http://nexus404.com/Blog/2011/11/01/asus-padfone-gets-a-launch-date-the-long-rumored-asus-padfone-part-tablet-part-smartphone-looks-to-make-an-appearance-in-stores-early-next-year/ but it is not even available yet!
I can't express how happy I am to finally be rid of Windows Mobile!!!! Our cell phone guy showed me the super new and cool WM7... and showed me how much better it is!!!! But that is what they said when they upgraded me from from a HTC Touch with WM6.0 to the Touch Pro II... I will be giving up support for Microsoft Lync but the HTC Microsoft exchange connector works well.
I really love the UI on the Android... SO MUCH better than the awful WM interface. The best part is being able to install most (android 2.3 vs 3.2) all my favorite android apps on my phone!
...and I am a .Net developer which kind of means Microsoft is crucial for putting food on my table!
I have used both wifi and BT tether with my Droid X and TF101. Both work well. However I have given up on tethering as the carriers are now tracking "free users" and there are rumors of some people getting either terminated, or $1k data usage bills. Verizon has never charged me for tethering, but to me it's not worth the risk anymore.
So just be aware.
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I have used both wifi and BT tether with my Droid X and TF101. Both work well. However I have given up on tethering as the carriers are now tracking "free users" and there are rumors of some people getting either terminated, or $1k data usage bills. Verizon has never charged me for tethering, but to me it's not worth the risk anymore.
So just be aware.
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I always love these "BEWARE" post... I think it would be better to say, "USE Common Sense"!
If I am reading XDA post on my HTC Incredible or on my ASUS Transformer via WiFi Tether.. it is using the same amount of Bandwidth and Verizon is non-the-wiser.
It is folks that tether a PC and download Terra-bytes of Data from Peer-to-Peer sites like Piratebay that stand out like a Hore in church on Sunday.
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I always love these "BEWARE" post... I think it would be better to say, "USE Common Sense"!
If I am reading XDA post on my HTC Incredible or on my ASUS Transformer via WiFi Tether.. it is using the same amount of Bandwidth and Verizon is non-the-wiser.
It is folks that tether a PC and download Terra-bytes of Data from Peer-to-Peer sites like Piratebay that stand out like a Hore in church on Sunday.
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I agree wholeheartedly!
I have my Transformer setup to sync with my works exchange. I have a G2x on Tmobile.
I use the built-in WiFi Tether, that Verizon loves to remove... but like was said, any custom rom will have that back in.
Just do your homework first on the tethering capabilities. Google's Galaxy Nexus is releasing on Verizon this month which will have straight Android and WiFi Tether should be intact regardless of Verizon's policies (it isn't straight android if Verizon screws with it). Plus the software and updates come from Google directly so you should be good. Being a developer phone, it'll get plenty of attention and updates are guaranteed.
Once it releases and I can read some hands on reviews, I'll probably trade up my work blackberry for it.
all android phones from I think 2.2 on came with hotspot so long as your phone isnt locked by the carrier. Most carriers remove it unless you pay for it so you either buy a sim free phone or flash a rom.
I struggled with my tablets tethering to my HTC Tilt2 running WinMo 6.5. Once I went with an Android HTC Inspire 4G things have always just worked fine. Go with the Android phone.