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The dates on the ROMs lately are getting very confusing due to the same ROMs appearing with different dates just for correcting a bug. (This could be because chefs are trying to get recognition by getting more hits on a thread – which looks good but imagine having to go through the frustration of reading a 3oo-page long thread just to find an answer)
The original date of the ROM does help!!
This is just an observation with suggestions. Please do not bite.
•New ROM
Wouldn’t it be appropriate if there was a dating convention followed by the ROM name and version?
(e.g.: (MMMM/dd/yyyy) xyz v1 xxx)
•Bugs Fixes
However, if there was or were bug(s) correction the same thread title could be updated to:
(e.g.: (MMMM/dd/yyyy) xyz v1xxx Updated MMMM/dd/yyyy)
•Major changes or fixes
Going forward, we will have major fixes or add-ons in a ROM that will result in the following:
(e.g.: (MMMM/dd/yyyy) xyz v1.1 xxx)
I think this would help with searches for ROMs and hopefully avoid new thread created by NOOBs like me complaining or reporting bugs about a specific ROM
Is this a joke?
Dude, I'm not going to flame you... heck, I'm not even a chef.
But if I was I would name my baby what ever I wanted.
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Dude, I'm not going to flame you... heck, I'm not even a chef.
But if I was I would name my baby what ever I wanted.
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Suggestion suggestion suggestion.. Sorry if that offends anyone. Yes to xda I am a noob but not to the development world.
I think making it easy for other to find is appropriate
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Dude, I'm not going to flame you... heck, I'm not even a chef.
But if I was I would name my baby what ever I wanted.
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The chefs can name their roms whatever they wish, smuook. It's just, tricsio suggests to include some kind of categorization, such as he himself proposed in his post.
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Suggestion suggestion suggestion.. Sorry if that offends anyone. Yes to xda I am a noob but not to the development world.
I think making it easy for other to find is appropriate
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Point taken.
Please shutdown the thread if this is not well received or found not to be a fit. I apologize for having a view
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Please shutdown the thread if this is not well received or found not to be a fit. I apologize for having a view
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You make a valid point as it makes sense to me but the chefs (wish I could understand cooking a bit better) can do whatever they like as they produce excitement and great roms for all of us and themselves.
I agree with your point. Hopefully chef's will go along with it, as I agree it would make browsing the threads a bit easier.
It's not a bad idea... and it's worthy of discussion. My bluntness in my first comments were not intended to shut down the conversation. If chef's want to weigh in on this they can... Usually the first three or so posts the most chefs make in their thread gives everything you need to know about the ROM. I'm pretty much on this board every day... although I do more reading than posting. So I guess I just know who the chef's are... and usually what kind of ROMs they make and develop. btw, there's been a lot of new ones (new to Kaiser that is) putting out great ROMs so maybe they would be up for this idea... I guess you just have to ask them.
i agree with OP
it is a good concept but i doubt that every chef will abide by it. be nice if they did.
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it is a good concept but i doubt that every chef will abide by it. be nice if they did.
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very good point (this guy really kick my (_)(_)) but he didnt point to me right? we just to make sure our rom is still in one thread if there is no major changes | richabi, ur avatar is really good. five star!
I've been seeing some really bad file naming recently.
makes it harder to keep up what's actually new and updated.
If people can just keep the same filename and add something else at the end if there is a fix or update.
Also avoid adding special characters to a filename. eg. @ROMEOS_v3_5.zip
should just have letters, numbers, period (.), underscore (_), hyphen (-) should be acceptable.
This also makes things easier to search and get better results.
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I've been seeing some really bad file naming recently.
makes it harder to keep up what's actually new and updated.
If people can just keep the same filename and add something else at the end if there is a fix or update.
Also avoid adding special characters to a filename. eg. @ROMEOS_v3_5.zip
should just have letters, numbers, period (.), underscore (_), hyphen (-) should be acceptable.
This also makes things easier to search and get better results.
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ok, now that one was pointed at you
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ok, now that one was pointed at you
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had to..
i can point out HyperDragon rom too.. but most of his files are ok. just has the habit of updating files but not the filename.
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had to..
i can point out HyperDragon rom too.. but most of his files are ok. just has the habit of updating files but not the filename.
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hehe noted. actually the zip is following my working folder. yesterday so sleepy & tired so didnt change the name to Angelina Jolie
Who gives a _ _ _ _ what a Rom is called...., you'd still flash it.
The 1st 3 pages of the Rom thread is MORE than enough for you to figure out which Rom is which.
Even if there was some type of standardization with the names of the Roms, some dip-_ _ _ _ would still get confused and start a dumbass thread!
I think the original poster has a very valid point.
Some recently posted ROMS are posted, then that particular ROM significantly modified and posted under the same topic without a version increment or date increment.
Others have modifications and only the topic is changed and not the date IN the topic. We have also seen ROMS released in under other Chefs topics simply because it was based on the prior Chefs ROM, which makes for a total clusterfuck.
A suggested ROM naming convention IMHO would be welcome. Dutty has done a great job in organizing his releases, as has L26. I'm not suggesting the mods enforce a consistent naming convention or anything, just asking that a defacto standard be recommended.
My 2c worth on this and to me, more relevant. What makes browsing/searching these threads on this fantastic forum very difficult and frustrating, is the "Senior Members" getting grumpy and flaming junior members and noobs for asking dumb questions. We all have to start somewhere, and its easy for those in the know to say "SEARCH THE F...G FORUMS" but with your flaming generating an extra 40 pages of text for us to search through, per thread, YOU are making it MORE difficult for us to find what we need in the first place! If you kids don't like the question, IGNORE IT and save EVERYONE else the extra 40 pages of CRAP to sift through. If possible, even DELETE the really dumb posts. That would give the dumb question askers a good message! So, delete this post if you will... use it, don't use it... I'm expecting some immature nerd freak to flame me on this...
Great idea, and it's actually quite standard in everywhere else. Ind I think that it might be a standard here, at least, was. But then when time goes and more users coming, standards are getting relaxed and forgotten as practices.
IMHO, this idea is valid not only for ROMs but also for CABs and all related files/attachments.
But again, it's up to the Chefs, whether they want to abide to this or not. Even I must say, that if they follow this, it will show that they have a class/standard on their own. Which will make them more respectful to this community.
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Another fine example that not all noobs are only giving stupid and silly ideas. Actually, you can say that many noobs are not so noobs at all!
first to the board ops, if I post this in the wrong area, and secondly to the crybabies for what I am about to say...
Kick back off asking for a cooked rom with the latest and greatest rom... it's nice looking and all but if you aren't gonna cook one yourself then give it a
rest.
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first to the board ops, if I post this in the wrong area, and secondly to the crybabies for what I am about to say...
Kick back off asking for a cooked rom with the latest and greatest rom... it's nice looking and all but if you aren't gonna cook one yourself then give it a
rest.
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Apologies ahead of time for my rant.
Where do you get off saying that people shouldn't have the right to request in the very least, the latest ROM. Understandably though, the greatest ROM will always be based on the user's opinion. And if everyone just followed your advice and cooked one themselves and gave it a rest, where would the current ROM cooks be in this world? You would essentially put us out of a job if you had your way. Heres the way I see it though, since I do understand where your point is coming from. Cooking takes a lot of time, a lot of patience, and a lot of understanding. Now given that not everyone on these threads has enough time on their hands, they need someone to create a ROM for them. Possibly to a level that they couldn't cook themselves at their present state. Just because they don't have all of the time necessary to cook their ROM doesn't mean that they should be punished by suffering with a stock ROM (especially the T-mo one, ). So that being said: I, as a cook, need to know what people want in order for me to make the best ROM that I can make. And to me, the best ROM will always be the one that makes people happy and content.
End of rant.
hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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You do have a right to free speech, however, I haven't been bugged by any such questions. Weird. Thus far I only saw one thread asking that. And i posted a reply. I will be creating FingerMe Prototype Series which will be a base ROM of some of the latest builds. 23031 should be up tonight, 23034 I am still working on.
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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I agree that people usually treat the cooks as if they're working FOR them. No one gets paid to do stuff on XDA. People are always like....Tell me how to fix that, or, do this for me, or give me a link for this...
People need to realize that we DON'T work here. We just help. We're glad to help, but, we really appreaciate it if you do your own searching and find things yourself. Then, after some decent searching, if you don't find anything, please ask us.
But don't feel threatened, Dr. Gonz, say what you want. Yet, people will still expect XDA members to do everything for them, lol. You can't break that habbit.
I've gotta say, though, the Herald forums are pretty decent. Most people here try to do things for themselves, instead of just asking, and I like that.
I was always one that would just read XDA, I never used to post. Then, after a long time of reading, I gained experience, and started posting. That has worked well for me. It's always best to read first.
But everyone, just remember that no one works here. We're here to help, but we're not obliged to help anyone. If you ask nicely enough, we'll try to help you out. But try to read for things, too.
I agree with the cooks. The only reason why I replied to that thread like I did was cause I didn't like the way he was asking...like he thought that it was his right or something to get the newest build. Theres a big difference in "hey, any chance we can get build XXXXX anytime soon?", and "when is build XXXXX coming out, cause I want it like right now.". Anyways enough soapbox from me, thats just my opinion.
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hehe did i strike a nerve or something? last time i checked i've got a thing called free speech (refer to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution) i'm not saying that everyone should cook their own roms. I am saying that ppl should stop buggin the cooks for the latest rom. I don't have the patience or time to cook my own and I am not going to bug the cooks for a rom... geez
oh yea and i was meaning the latest build of wm 6.5, been seeing allot of requests on the boards for "when is a rom with that build gonna be released" I am addressing those ppl
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You certainly are free to speak your mind.
As does anyone responding to you.
Apparently you get huffy puffy if someone dares to disagree with your omniscience.
If I may be frank, I read about two sentences of your post before concluding that your opinion doesn't matter.
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You certainly are free to speak your mind.
As does anyone responding to you.
Apparently you get huffy puffy if someone dares to disagree with your omniscience.
If I may be frank, I read about two sentences of your post before concluding that your opinion doesn't matter.
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I think it was apreincher that got "huffy puffy".
First of all I just want to say that I always respect the rom cooks just like I respect a real cook in a restaurant. If I may quote the movie Waiting, "Don't f**k with people that serve your food."
There will always be dumbass noobs that are here for the instant gratification, that will only change if XDA becomes invite only, which isn't a bad idea. While I agree that nobody "works" here, on the other side of the same coin, nobody is forced to stay here and serve either. If you are fed up with the demands of users, don't complain about it, just don't log on. If you don't like what's on tv, do you complain to the cable company? No, you change the channel. But honestly, it is a community here. You don't have to like your neighbors, but you could at least tolerate them. To clarify, I'm by no means on a high horse here. I've had my moments of weakness, where I lost my patience. I think ace has been the one to say chill out a couple times lol. But seriously, there needs to be some humility around here, especially from people like the OP.
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First of all I just want to say that I always respect the rom cooks just like I respect a real cook in a restaurant. If I may quote the movie Waiting, "Don't f**k with people that serve your food."
There will always be dumbass noobs that are here for the instant gratification, that will only change if XDA becomes invite only, which isn't a bad idea. While I agree that nobody "works" here, on the other side of the same coin, nobody is forced to stay here and serve either. If you are fed up with the demands of users, don't complain about it, just don't log on. If you don't like what's on tv, do you complain to the cable company? No, you change the channel. But honestly, it is a community here. You don't have to like your neighbors, but you could at least tolerate them.
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I have to agree with you. I like people requesting things, because some things are really great ideas that I may have never thought of including on my own. I'm not all knowing, I don't know everything everyone wants. So to help serve you better, I need input. So new people reading this thread, please don't be scared to request something of me. I wont always say yes, but it's better than not trying at all.
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I have to agree with you. I like people requesting things, because some things are really great ideas that I may have never thought of including on my own. I'm not all knowing, I don't know everything everyone wants. So to help serve you better, I need input. So new people reading this thread, please don't be scared to request something of me. I wont always say yes, but it's better than not trying at all.
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Some things I see people doing, though (this is on the TP2 forums), is that people say..."Why are my keyboard symbols not working???".
Ok, that's a valid question...but then, when you visit The Wingster for that ROM, you notice, oh hey, there's some bolded red text, maybe that's important?
People overlooking the obvious things like that can REALLY get chefs unhappy. I usually just link them to an obvious page like that, but other chefs will get upset.
Now, requests for features in ROM's, those are a little different. You can ask for requests, just don't make them like...I want (5,000 apps)...or I want (this certain app that maybe 1/20 people use)....But, there are some cool requests that maybe the chef didn't know about, or just forgot. So, try to be reasonable with requests.
And back to the obvious things that people overlook, just try to read a bit, that's all. If you didn't see anything quickly on the first page, then yes, you can go ahead and post, asking your question. Hopefully, the chef, or someone else on the forums will answer you. They will probably also remind you to read better if it was on the first page or something.
Basically, to prevent yourself from getting flammed, you gotta read the first page of the ROM a bit, and then, if your question still isn't answered, read a few of the last posts, and then post your question.
And keep requests reasonable. Try to request things that everyone could benefit from. If it's something that the chef doesn't wanna do, they will probably just ignore it, so don't go posting it again, unless you think it's a brilliant idea, lol.
Remember the golden rule...treat others the way you would like to be treated.
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Some things I see people doing, though (this is on the TP2 forums), is that people say..."Why are my keyboard symbols not working???".
Ok, that's a valid question...but then, when you visit The Wingster for that ROM, you notice, oh hey, there's some bolded red text, maybe that's important?
People overlooking the obvious things like that can REALLY get chefs unhappy. I usually just link them to an obvious page like that, but other chefs will get upset.
Now, requests for features in ROM's, those are a little different. You can ask for requests, just don't make them like...I want (5,000 apps)...or I want (this certain app that maybe 1/20 people use)....But, there are some cool requests that maybe the chef didn't know about, or just forgot. So, try to be reasonable with requests.
And back to the obvious things that people overlook, just try to read a bit, that's all. If you didn't see anything quickly on the first page, then yes, you can go ahead and post, asking your question. Hopefully, the chef, or someone else on the forums will answer you. They will probably also remind you to read better if it was on the first page or something.
Basically, to prevent yourself from getting flammed, you gotta read the first page of the ROM a bit, and then, if your question still isn't answered, read a few of the last posts, and then post your question.
And keep requests reasonable. Try to request things that everyone could benefit from. If it's something that the chef doesn't wanna do, they will probably just ignore it, so don't go posting it again, unless you think it's a brilliant idea, lol.
Remember the golden rule...treat others the way you would like to be treated.
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That's exactly my point. The original poster to this thread was saying that people shouldn't ask when a new build for the herald will be released. Unfortunately, you can't find the answer to that anywhere on the forum. So they have to ask in order to get an answer.
So long story short, when you're making requests from a cook, choose your words carefully and be sure and tell them how much you appreciate thier work, even donate if you can. Otherwise, THIS can happen. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448839
OK so i know this is the wrong forum, BUT I came across this and wanted to "bump" it so to speak. This was posted by kyphur in 08 and in a mods sig now. Please read and adhere to the spirit of the post. It is RIGHT ON!!!
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
Maybe you can recommend an alternative site for people who just want the newest tweaks and software.
the idea is not that only developers should be looking at this site, but that this is a place where developers communicate with each other and the beneficiaries of their work. This is not the place for someone to post threads about general questions about how to use or mod their device. This is a place that will develop the capabilities of the android platform if it is allowed. Developers WILL abandon this forum if it becomes a bulletin board or a technical support site.....and if you need a question answered, there are other forums on THIS site to address those.
Agreed 100%. While developing for the Windows mobile, I also got the same thing. I would post a thread and WARN people of a certain things and tell them how to fix it. Then I'd get 30 pages of "geeze, you broke something. how do you fix it?" That gets annoying real fast. I would love it if this forum forced people to take a test before they could post in the development sections... Before that, they should only be able to post in the regular sections.
One thing that really bugs me is the fact that the newbs don't want to search but don't realize that they take OUR time to search FOR them. No one knows everything. Every developer on this site searches and learns. I know that if you put together all the time that I've spent on this site JUST researching and searching, it'd be MONTHS and MONTHS of non-stop, no sleep searching and researching. So why can't the average person search for 2 minutes? Is their time worth more than my time?
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Maybe you can recommend an alternative site for people who just want the newest tweaks and software.
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There are thousands, but essentially all they do is copy stuff off here.
Like the post said, if you just want to root your phone so it can do 'cool stuff' and not give a **** about how the damn thing works then maybe you shouldn't be modding your phone (that wasn't aimed at you btw, just 'people' in general the market place is made up of 99% 'these people' who don't/can't read and it's pretty irritating.)
Agree with the post 100%, fantastic
we sadly are living in the (ME) world
there is such a huge gape beetween the 10-19 generation and 20-29
10-19 generation is living in such an easy world, they never had to blow into their nintendo cassettes , know how heavy a quantum bigfoot is or what RTFM mean's
You said it, this is in the wrong forum.
You're not an admin and although you can spend your time here (and pretty much all of your posts) reporting out-of-place threads, you're still not an admin.
People always wonder into communities and it always takes a while to learn the way things work. Mickey is doing a good job on closing and moving threads that are unrelated to development.
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Reported.
Agreed. It's really, really, really, really getting to me. I wish OP's had semi-moderator power. They could at least delete all necessary posts and ban that user - if required- for a certain amount of time from their thread only.
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You said it, this is in the wrong forum.
You're not an admin and although you can spend your time here (and pretty much all of your posts) reporting out-of-place threads, you're still not an admin.
People always wonder into communities and it always takes a while to learn the way things work. Mickey is doing a good job on closing and moving threads that are unrelated to development.
With that said...
Reported.
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ughh, no i'm not an admin, and no almost all my posts, or the majority, or a half are reported threads, but i do try to help out the mods when i can. they are not on all forums at all times and can use the help, and they have said as much.
Oh thank you thank you! People here should want to understand why thing the work as they work. Not just want their phones to look cool.
As it you wouldnt know it, i have been with xda for years well since the titan came out. before that i was modding an ipaq and of course the old palms. everyonce in awhile i lose interest and move on only to come back when i have something new(major a.d.d). i do write java as well as c and even c++(so on) i typically find this place useful to try stuff out and even set up my own custom rom just for me. i dont post because i can google. while i have many of my own questions i would like answered i simply dont ask most of the time(such as using micro kernels and modding app2sd to make the os have two options sd in or out. however the problem is not the generations or age difference or anything like that. its social systems outside of xda. posting a reply used to mean an answer or something useful. now its normal to simply post "great job". thats nice and all but maybe instead of complaining about it we should come up with a new system that improves xda. like a sorting system or sub thread system and set up catagorys for our replys. like thumbs up would be for the "good job". i know its hard to keep everyone happy but this is a forum first, a forum has design problems when you get the number of people xda has. use advanced search it helps a lot. a sorting system with requirements for certain catagorys would help devs. its not easy modding and getting it right and you cant do it alone. xda is the help even if its not your phone sometimes others have solutions too. such as winmo users putting android on their phones(yes i did it too my old titan for fun). things i learned and other devs learn can help us and vice versa. i have yet to find bad technology only poorly thought out ideas that could have been. which is why we mod.
p.s. wtf is up with palm and blackberry ads all the time.
Most of those kids just want the answer or fix in the next 3min. with perfect steps or a patch that supposedly will fix and hack their device,after that they´ll never show up.
All they want is to show off without bothering to read.
I totaly understand. I do feel sometimes that certain devs do get a bit annoyed with people who just want to fix the phone and not understand. I'm not linux or coding wiz. But whe I got here in may I was one of the people who just wanted me phone to be better than urs. I still have that to some extent but I have developed more of a "how and what is causeing this issue" attitude. I try to contribute as best as I can. Helping out over at q&a as best as I can. I enjoy xda and without my days would be more boring than what the are now. I dunno I guess I'm just rambling. Bottom line is I have tried to correct my attitude toward modding. Hell I even post my email so users can drop a line if they need help.
i am 20 and i fondly remember blowing into my nes super nes and genesis games.
i am pretty new to XDA. when i first found this site all i wanted was a quick fix. now i am getting more intrested in the actual dev aspect. i want to be able to create my own rom eventualy. yes i do find myself asking stupid questions and getting some foul responses but in my opinion no question is a stupid one. only the one not asked. yes alot of people just want a fix but there are new users who want to learn. like me. so i appreciate the help i have recieved from most members. and i alwasy appoligise for my stupidity. so dont get down on all noobs because alot of us want to learn and the only way to is to ask.
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i am pretty new to XDA. when i first found this site all i wanted was a quick fix. now i am getting more intrested in the actual dev aspect. i want to be able to create my own rom eventualy. yes i do find myself asking stupid questions and getting some foul responses but in my opinion no question is a stupid one. only the one not asked. yes alot of people just want a fix but there are new users who want to learn. like me. so i appreciate the help i have recieved from most members. and i alwasy appoligise for my stupidity. so dont get down on all noobs because alot of us want to learn and the only way to is to ask.
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nobody is getting down on noobs. ONLY the site users who FAIL to post questions and general comments in the correct forum
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nobody is getting down on noobs. ONLY the site users who FAIL to post questions and general comments in the correct forum
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Just want to make a statement befor someone did.
I thank you for this post. I came to this forum a long time ago I have learned quite a bit and appreciate everything that is done here. There are very skillful people that are on here and I wish I had the amount of skill then thesemodders, hackers, developers etc... have I keep my mouth shut unless i feel there is some thing that i know how to answer, i have never complained about a single rom i simply research what can be done to change for fix it, all answers rely in a search somewhere either here or google. I just wish other people would do the same then we would be able to prevent a 300+ page threads where only about 25 pages are worth anything.
look at the amount of posts from someone who knows they are barley able to contrubute(but do what he can) and been here this long. compared to people who have been here dont have much to contribute but love to post everything that comes to thier minds.
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samygent said:
we sadly are living in the (ME) world
there is such a huge gape beetween the 10-19 generation and 20-29
10-19 generation is living in such an easy world, they never had to blow into their nintendo cassettes , know how heavy a quantum bigfoot is or what RTFM mean's
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HEY!
im 18 and clearly remember blowing into those damn games to make them work. but when they worked, so much fun i still think theyre better than the crappy xbox and ps3 games of today... but thats just me. lol
pleeease yall! let's keep THIS thread on topic! LOL!!
This NOT ment to be *****ing, I AM grateful for all the great work being done, But i do WISH every single dev could include this in their first post in their ROMs thread:
-What the ROM is based on (HTC framework, ADP, ADP with Sense from Dream, Sense from Hero etc.)
->What works (or not) of:
* LED
* bluetooth
These are common problems with HERO ROMs, and if every dev posted this info, it would be great. For me non-LED= not usable, and for some periods of time (ie. when I'm driving much), so is no BT
->Included apps.
*Especially important are sms-spamming apps such as myfaves - coud be critical to know about.
->recommended compache settings, swapiness etc, what is used in ROM as standard for these values.
We see every Hero-thread filling up with questions about BT, LED, what HERO-version, and what framework, and whatnot. Taking 2mins to post this info could help save so much time,and so much spam/question in the ROM thread.
Apps added/removed and the other stuff is also higly relevant to non-HERO roms.
Again, this is constructive criticism aka a humble suggestion, not an angry demand from some jerk with e-penile problems. (Or so I'd like to believe, at least.)
If anyone has any suggestion as to what other info you would like to see in a ROM announcement? Post it here, maybe we can "help" the devs out by making a complete template we would like them to follow. Input from devs highly appreciated too, ofc.
I know there are toher things that shoul also be listed, such as SPL and radio required etc., although I believe almost everyone includes it. Most devs include most of the items on the list too, but many do not include all of it.
Also, I am sorry for posting this in this category, but this is where the ROMs are posted and the devs can see it.
I hope this thread has its place here. Different people are lokking for different things, and both the user and devs benefit from the user knowing what they get. (It would hopefully limit the number of "spam" questions from users if the first post contained all this information, we know many people are afraid of the search button. Also, it would be easier to wield the ban hammer on people whoe doesn't even bother to look at the simple list in the first post, and waste other peoples time.)
If a dev included enough information, ROM lists with information abut different ROMs would also be much easier to maintain for the good people making them.
It may make things more organized, but it means devs have to update the list, and pay less attwntion to -actual ROM development.
And in my opinion, a little trial and error never hurt anyone.
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It may make things more organized, but it means devs have to update the list, and pay less attwntion to -actual ROM development.
And in my opinion, a little trial and error never hurt anyone.
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This is TRUE!
I so hope that Hero ROM's on donut are much more snappier! I'm addicted, I want a ROM to use for a few months! Hehe.
Yeah, it would be nice if there was a template developers could follow for posting. It would make thing's so much smoother.
Possibly in the title of the post have;
[ROM] [SENSE] "Title Here"
[ROM] [PULSE] "Title Here"
[ROM] [MOTOBLUR] "Title Here"
[ROM] [1.6] "Title Here"
[ROM] [1.5] "Title Here"
I agree with the OP there are times where i i can't flash 5 different ROMs in a day and i skip over some because of lack of info and screenshots. Maybe the community can build a template that the ROM devs can use?
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I agree with the OP there are times where i i can't flash 5 different ROMs in a day and i skip over some because of lack of info and screenshots. Maybe the community can build a template that the ROM devs can use?
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Are you thinking about getting back into making themes?
not gonna happen
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not gonna happen
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word im too lazy
they already spend there time developing the roms, i dont think they have the time to make the "proper layout"
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Are you thinking about getting back into making themes?
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I have been playing around with some images, made changes for my own phone but haven't done much else. I did just get laid off from my job so if i go the unemployment route you will definitely see me more in these forums. If i can't find a job soon i plan on getting into Java programming(i have a few app ideas) and possibly making my own ROMs. But we have to see where the job market takes me.
To stay on topic, the devs do spend a lot of time dev'n and having a template in a txt file would make posting easier for them. I have made a few threads and i can tell you making a layout for a post isn't that easy and is not much fun. If we can make an empty template that they only have to fill in their info...they would be doing the same amount of work on the post, just easier cause its all laid out for them.
We would need a sticky for it and have the devs vote on it or something.
That's a great idea it would be so much easier plus people won't be trashing threads with dumb ass questions is this for G1? Does this work or does it still do that and so on....
I mean before they upload the Rom they know most of the bugs so just saying known issues r these and that would help and just knowing what's new in the release doesn't help just confuses most of the noobs here...I'm one of them.
A little off topic but I'm a recruiting officer in a PC gaming community and I review clan applications, there were times when main application was down so I just made a sticky Thread with a template of the application to fill up and post it as a new thread
I mean look all of the devs pretty much do that already anyhow, every thread they make look exactly as the other 1 we just need a clean template that they all could use and just made it as a sticky thread and lock it so every1 could use it.
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word im too lazy
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If you're making a ROM and posting it on xda, you obviously want other people to use it.
If the first post is sloppy and not informative or up to date. Less people will use your ROM. Thus, less people will test it. Therefore, you won't be able to figure out the bugs. If you're sloppy with info, you'll lose, not us.
Something that should be standard:
A proper title like suggested earlier such as [ROM] [1.6 - Pulse] [******]
(none of that [ROM] ***MghtyMax 1.9.1*** "WHAT A FEELING!" stuff....Sorry, but it's just plain horrible.)
Another thing should be a list of features, things that work, things that don't.
Screenshots are also very nice and descriptive. A lot of new users might not know what Pulse, Hero, etc. looks like.
If you take the time to work on a ROM, you have the time to work on a nice looking first post. Don't half ass your work. It makes you look unprofessional.
I agree with the first poster, also MD5 hashes would be nice.
As damnitpud mentions, this would probably make it easier for devs, not harder. This is about *not* forccing them to make the proper layout themselves, but serve as a pre-made basis for them to fill in. In ready made bb-code ofc.
Since the mighty max-rom was brought up, this is noe ROM i did not download and flash immedeatly beacause I couldn't find info about BT working or not. Also would like to know if it were the SENSE from Dream or Hero. And some other details.
As I have time to sit down and flash my phone maybe two days a week, tops, I would like to know what I want to try beforehand. I also don't want to read four hundred post with questions that sometimes are answered in the first post, sometimes in the thread, sometimes not at all. But IF they had been answered in first post - and especially if it were in standard list that all/most devs used, it would be hard to miss it, and save a lot of stupid and/or lazy people nagging.
md5 hashes is absolutely something that should be on such a list, ohnoezmahfone. That is certainly lacking, and quite important for people with a good-for-nothing-ISP or net by 3G modem etc.
Someone make up a template. There will always be someone who will volunteer to do it for the developer.
All great ideas.
Especially for the sake of SEARCH.
Example:
I enter a search for "bluetooth working hero" and up pops 4000 unhelpful results most where 1000 noobs are asking if it works or not without doing the proper research in the prior posts.
An all informative 1st post would reduce this and the unnecessary flaming that follows (also part of results)
Also, it would also be real nice if everyone keep their personal lives to themselves.
Noone cares if your "flashing [other irrelavant ROM] now because BT aint working for Hero yet. This also shows up in results.
If I want you to kno whats on my device, i'll put it in my sig
I know i just made "BT working Hero" one more result longer [4001] but i had to vent. Sometimes searching can be very annoying and cumbersome.
Less results means less hassle for devs and users.
Once again, great ideas
XDA SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS
basically im upset cause xda was never like this when i had my g1 people was very nice on giving DETAIL BABY STEPS on getting what you want i mean come on i dont understand how is it so bad to teach us first timers some slack
This thread needs to have an article on the XDA front page portal ASAP
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XDA SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS
basically im upset cause xda was never like this when i had my g1 people was very nice on giving DETAIL BABY STEPS on getting what you want i mean come on i dont understand how is it so bad to teach us first timers some slack
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As a noob who spent a LOT of time/energy/effort researching on my own trying to unnoob myself before asking silly questions I understand where the frustration is from. People like me who took that time (I'm talking many hours per day for straight weeks - 100s of hours!) are frustrated by people who expect easy answers with minimal effort. It's easy to panic if something unexpected happens and you no longer have a working phone but that's the risk you take and no one should bear the brunt of that panic but YOU.
That said, I actually agree with you. I think not replying to people who ask dumb questions is probably a better way to help the community at large. The knee-jerk reaction when tension is high is to send a smart ass response but that doesn't teach anyone anything. I know it's tempting, I've done it, but all it does is feed the troll. If a noob asks a researchable question and NO ONE answers, maybe it will inspire this noob to search for the answer on their own. And if/when they find it, they can be proud of themselves for figuring it out and next time I will bet you they search first and ask questions later. The bigger problem is that sometimes a SUPER NICE person will hold their hand and help them out even if they don't deserve it and then everyone expects this treatment every time.
Point of fact: if you're on XDA you are probably trying to pimp out/modify your phone in some way. This is your choice, and some of the options available to you are not easy. If you aren't prepared to put in the time to become familiar with it first, it isn't worth the risk. I'm sure there is some clause to that effect in the XDA rules everyone agrees to when they sign up but they always forget that.
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XDA SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS
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I don't know too much about things but I'm already willing to learn if i have the time for it. I agree about the rudeness, and every forum is different. I was on the g1 forums too and understand what you mean. When i got my 4GS I came here when deving was picking up on the few excellent ROMs we have now. My device had the new bootloader so i had trouble at first picking up on things since i couldn't S-OFF and had to fastboot boot.imgs EVERYTIME i flashed a new ROM.
I had to read read read like crazy and put many hours into getting my phone to where it is now (rooted and S-OFF via Juopunutbear) and only when i really needed help and couldn't figure things out on my own is when i asked about something.
All it takes is a little effort and i try to help where i can (as little as that may have been...lol) Sometimes i can understand the frustration from both sides.
There is tho, a difference between being rude and getting upset after you tell someone what they need to know and they don't do it. You see people asking the same questions over and over AFTER they've been given a clear fix to the answer and i can see why some get pissed. I know if i can do these things that ANYONE can.
We have good devs and quite a few that truly are willing to help where they can. With the g1 there was an overflow of devs and others who helped. (Can't really compare them) The lack here limits time for most who already have their hands full so we have to be willing to do some things ourselves.
I'm not telling you to leave but things will be this way here probably permanently. Don't think everyone doesn't want to help tho cuz most do
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Considering you've made MULTIPLE threads regarding problems that already have STEP BY STEP guides, it's kind of hard to be patient and spoon feed all the answers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=42059167
gtmaster303 said:
Considering you've made MULTIPLE threads regarding problems that already have STEP BY STEP guides, it's kind of hard to be patient and spoon feed all the answers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=42059167
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Oh man. I should have checked that before spending the time to type out a thought-out response. It confuses me when people spend so much time begging for step by step instructions. In that time you could have read the compendium and had it done by now!
Also - it's the internet. If someone hurts your feelings by being rude on the internet, grow up or log out. Cyberbullying is a serious issue if someone knows your true identity, but you choose to come here. Flame posts are discouraged because they are usually unhelpful. They clutter up threads and get in the way of useful stuff which makes them wastes of bandwidth and forum space. They are not discouraged because somebody might get their feelings hurt. (If I'm wrong about that - don't correct me. I would be super bummed if XDA was that sensitivo about stuff.)
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XDA SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS
basically im upset cause xda was never like this when i had my g1 people was very nice on giving DETAIL BABY STEPS on getting what you want i mean come on i dont understand how is it so bad to teach us first timers some slack
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Totally Our Thread is DEAD cause no one wants to ask for help because of some of the obvious responses
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Totally Our Thread is DEAD cause no one wants to ask for help because of some of the obvious responses
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Like search it? I don't know where this is going? I understand being helpful. But when you have the same question being asked by 20 people. Being answered about 100x, it's annoying.
But I agree flamming is getting out of hand. There should be a thread just for Noobs. To ask stupid as questions, and not be flammed.
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Like search it? I don't know where this is going? I understand being helpful. But when you have the same question being asked by 20 people. Being answered about 100x, it's annoying.
But I agree flamming is getting out of hand. There should be a thread just for Noobs. To ask stupid as questions, and not be flammed.
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Just one thread for noobs? Why not an entire forum? No, forget that...how about an entire website for noobs????? I'll invent this! I think I'll call it PPCGeeks.
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Every post asking a question already answered multiple times clutters the forum and makes it harder to find those very answers for other people.
Finding one thread in ten is easier then one thread in fifty, especially when forty of them are worthless.
I have volunteered countless hours researching, testing, and writing in-depth step-by-step guides that someone who has no experience can sit down and follow through.
Honestly, asking for things already detailed like that is hard to deal with - the only way to do so would be to physically do it for them.
Everytime I see someone make a whole new thread just to advertise that they are too lazy to go read the answer, it makes people like me think twice about taking the time to write these guides.
I don't usually post to these kind of threads, but it's here so why not.
There would be more walkthroughs and tutorials if people took the time to read the ones already here. Why make them if people won't read them anyway?
So all you people out there who can't be bothered to look for the answer before asking your question, you are turning away the developers and people who could answer your questions.
The more people show up begging for a handout, the less people there are giving it. Eventually that road leads to nothing but beggars, with no one to beg from.
If it wasn't for people asking intelligent questions based on having read my tutorials, I wouldn't consider any further ones. If someone doesn't get it, but actually put effort into trying, I'm happy to help.
Someone can't be bothered to even try to help themselves, why should I try to help them - especially after they are making it more difficult for others to get the help.
Others who deserve it.
Others who have earned it by investing time and effort.
So, I implore people to take the time to understand what XDA is. It is not instant gratification.
Don't ruin what you don't understand.
Every post not adding something constructive is taking away from the ones that do, in a big way. The larger the database becomes, the harder it is to index and process server side, and the harder it is to navigate and use client side.
The answer is here - just look for it.
Be kind, considerate and helpful - try to add more then you take away.
If my post offends you, then you are part of the problem.
So Close the Thread and Move On
I'm by no means a stranger to technology but I am relatively new to rooting phones. I've done my research and through my own trial and error, figured out how to root my phone. As others have stated, I spent several hours browsing this site looking for the answers even before I upgraded to the 4GS. What I've seen on these boards is while there are multiple threads asking the same questions, there have also been condescending replies from some. While it could be considered warranted to be frustrated with the constant barrage of repetitive questions, why not just close or delete the thread instead of firing back at those who are too lazy to do their research? If you're worried about cluttering up the boards/threads, why contribute to it?
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I'm by no means a stranger to technology but I am relatively new to rooting phones. I've done my research and through my own trial and error, figured out how to root my phone. As others have stated, I spent several hours browsing this site looking for the answers even before I upgraded to the 4GS. What I've seen on these boards is while there are multiple threads asking the same questions, there have also been condescending replies from some. While it could be considered warranted to be frustrated with the constant barrage of repetitive questions, why not just close or delete the thread instead of firing back at those who are too lazy to do their research? If you're worried about cluttering up the boards/threads, why contribute to it?
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Because the mods are not here to be babysitters, and the community should be self policing to an extent.
Every once in a while it's necessary to explain why being inconsiderate and expecting people to do your work for you is detrimental to the community.
Detailing why expecting people to invest their scarce free time and energy into the effort some are too lazy to even attempt, and how that degrades the resource this community is hopefully educates some and prevents them from doing so in the future.
It's threads like this where those types get together and reinforce their ignorance, and encourage others to follow suit that exacerbates the problems for the rest of us, and creates bigger headaches for the mods to deal with.
Again, hopefully a little education goes a long way, and the gamble is that a few posts highlighting the problem and how it hurts prevents more like this from popping up.
I mean, when the information asked about is in a stickied post ( as all too often it is ) that is literally an intentional and blatent abuse and subversion of the forums.
...and lastly, I have no computer to dev on so for once am willing to try to plead with the ones who would try to hinder our exchange of knowledge from doing so.
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Because the mods are not here to be babysitters, and the community should be self policing to an extent.
Every once in a while it's necessary to explain why being inconsiderate and expecting people to do your work for you is detrimental to the community.
Detailing why expecting people to invest their scarce free time and energy into the effort some are too lazy to even attempt, and how that degrades the resource this community is hopefully educates some and prevents them from doing so in the future.
It's threads like this where those types get together and reinforce their ignorance, and encourage others to follow suit that exacerbates the problems for the rest of us, and creates bigger headaches for the mods to deal with.
Again, hopefully a little education goes a long way, and the gamble is that a few posts highlighting the problem and how it hurts prevents more like this from popping up.
I mean, when the information asked about is in a stickied post ( as all too often it is ) that is literally an intentional and blatent abuse and subversion of the forums.
...and lastly, I have no computer to dev on so for once am willing to try to plead with the ones who would try to hinder our exchange of knowledge from doing so.
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Don't get me wrong, I feel your frustration and those of the other developers and/or mods who are constantly attempting to answer questions that have been asked and answered multiple times already. I've been supporting end users for several years and there are some who no matter how many times you tell them something (sometimes kicking and screaming the entire time), they either ignore what you say or flat out refuse to learn since there's someone there to scoop them out of the hole they put themselves in. I fully agree that some are deserving of a good cyber-smack and told they're being inconsiderate.
However, those who reply to these same threads are also expending just as much time and energy, if not more, telling someone they should do their own research instead of just removing or closing the thread in question. In turn, this would serve to help eliminate that blatant abuse and IMO, take a lot less energy and frustration with the ignorance out of the picture. It would also help to keep the threads and the space needed to maintain this site to a minimum. Self-policing will only work to a small degree. Should it be the responsibility of the mods to babysit? No, but you also can't expect every person who comes to this site to have enough sense to do their own research either. I've dealt with enough end users where I find the expectation from some is that they should be served on a silver platter. After a few time of dealing with this, I reply by not replying.
By the way, I love this site and I thank you and all the other developers who have created these ROM's for those of us who like to tinker with our toys...and read the instructions!
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This is my usual stance as well, but also include the report action.
By self policing I didn't necessarily mean snap back, mostly report so mods can delete.
You keep saying delete the thread, as if an end user has that priviledge, but we don't. It's easy to say, but harder to implement.
Back to the mods babysitting, even through the report function it may take some time for them to get to the thread, based on availability and priority.
Meantime, you do nothing and it's like a wound untreated, and just festers growing continually worse.
What can you do? Some people passed the patience threshold a long time ago. Those that say nothing are percieved to let them just run rampant.
Threads like what this started as, and the ones we are discussing are real blows to morale and interest.
I used to dedicate at a minimum my first half an hour of every login to trying to answer or find answers to questions people have, and help them get themselves straightened out.
Anymore, it seems that most of the questions asking for help are just from people like the discussion is about
If I open the first thread, and it's a question asked all the time with the answer in a sticky, I'll move to the next.
If the second one is too, well, anymore that's as far as I go before I just log out and find something else to do.
It used to be that i'd end up spending several hours over that dedicated first 30 minutes typing up detailed replies and explanations of why people were getting into the problems they were and trying to help them understand how Android works under the hood.
That would get me all juiced up and i'd flow into hours of dev, manning the irc channel and just immersing myself in the doubleshot.
Now... Well, when those first couple of questions are like what this thread is about, it just saps my motivation, the very desire to learn that puts me at the keyboard for so long.
The people replying with smart-ass remarks and garbage are just as much to blame for keeping those threads at the top of the list as the ignorant people who started them in the first place.
Given that I am starting to catch up with myself at work and having free time in blocks of hours to work on Android stuff for the doubleshot, more often then not I sit down all ready to work on something fun and new, just to find myself walking away from the keyboard somewhat depressed and disappointed instead.
A large part of my desire in working on projects for the community was to help people get more out of their device by delivering stable, working software and encouraging education and learning.
Those that want to be spoonfed are winning, I've been recently choosing to do other things then even try to browse the forums here.
I dunno, it's like I went into life to handle some things and start a much more enjoyable and higher paying career. Now that I'm settled in and can spend time back here again, it's like I don't even recognize it anymore.
They say you can't go home once you've been away, because while you may be in the place you once called home it won't be that anymore when you get there.
Never thought in a million years i'd feel like a stranger in the doubleshot forums, but here we are and here it is.
It's kinda made me sad to write this.
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You keep saying delete the thread, as if an end user has that priviledge, but we don't. It's easy to say, but harder to implement
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After re-reading my post about deleting/closing the thread in question, I didn't word my comment properly. Unfortunately, this responsibility would end up on the shoulders of the admins/mods...the proverbial babysitting we were referring to earlier.
Sorry if this is a sour subject for you. If anything though, I'd take into consideration the number of people who you have already helped on this site instead of looking at the ones who bring you down. I've seen some of your threads and replies to those who you are willing to help and you provide a wealth of knowledge and information. There will always be someone out there who is willing to read and absorb what you teach, and perhaps even share it with others so they too can learn. As a supporter of end users, I understand that feeling of wanting to give up but what keeps me going is the knowing that I helped some of them along the way. The bad apples will always be just that, bad apples. I work in the education field (thankfully not a teacher) so I see this type of mentality on an almost daily basis. Toss them aside and remember you have already helped many more good apples than bad.
Geez, I feel like I'm preaching here so I'll get off my soap box but I'm sure you get the point of what I'm trying to say. Don't ever give up and don't let the boneheads get the better part of you. Lots of people on this site appreciate what you do, including myself.
This thread doesn't need to be taken down......it should be stickied for future reference!!
There are very simple rules that span across the internet. One of them is use search on forums. If you don't know this rule, frankly, you shouldn't be messing around with your phone in a way that violates the warranty or changes the configuration beyond what your grandmother can do with the same phone.
Creating threads without searching is the equivalent of going into a crowded mall, standing in the middle and shouting, "I NEED HELP HERE PLEASE". I think many will agree that any person that does that in a mall is an a**hole. You're not ENTITLED to help.
You SHOULD know this. If you don't, you're new to the internet, and perhaps you just don't have the skills or sense to be messing around with your phone.
The one thing that you can't expect people to know is that the answer to your question MIGHT be located in another device's forum. For example, how do you install Time Warner's app on rooted devices? You'd have to search the whole site. But now that you've read this, you know better.
We've all made mistakes. How you make up for them is key. I pay developers. What do you do?
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This thread doesn't need to be taken down......it should be stickied for future reference!!
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Not even close...
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Not even close...
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Just a touch of truthful sarcasm......:angel:
Blue6IX said:
.....It used to be that i'd end up spending several hours over that dedicated first 30 minutes typing up detailed replies and explanations of why people were getting into the problems they were and trying to help them understand how Android works under the hood.....
Now... Well, when those first couple of questions are like what this thread is about, it just saps my motivation, the very desire to learn that puts me at the keyboard for so long.....
....Given that I am starting to catch up with myself at work and having free time in blocks of hours to work on Android stuff for the doubleshot, more often then not I sit down all ready to work on something fun and new, just to find myself walking away from the keyboard somewhat depressed and disappointed instead.
Sent from a digital distance.
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Blue (and others)
Please don't get disheartened, certainly don't give up on XDA. I am relatively new to Android, certainly new to rooting, and I haven't even tried ROMs yet (that's for next week!). I am still working towards my 10 posts, while I've rooted and S-OFFed using the guidance available here.
In my time, I have researched & read up pretty widely on this forum and on others, on all the things I would like to do or am intrigued to find out about (custom boot animations - wow!). These is so much repeated and conflicting information out there. In doing that you soon get to recognise the posts that explain carefully, give step-by-step guides, and are helpful. You also quickly learn whose name is on those posts .They have a natural authority that lends credibility and builds trust. Those posts are the ones I bookmark and use, and those people are the ones I take advice from.
Your name is all over the best and most useful posts. There are others too but I won't name them here. Please don't stop - your efforts are appreciated. If you stop, I have to stop too, as who do I then learn from?