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HTC 2009 Roadmap - all 25 pictures

Since PPCGEEKS is getting hammered, I grabbed all the pics from the roadmap to post here. Sorry if this has been posted already, couldn't find it when I looked.
Also sorry I was too lazy to individually post them.
-Mc

Wow, now that's what I call a leak... I can only hope for HTC that current generation sale won't suffer that much...
I was really considering getting Touch Pro, but the only thing holding me back was the performance of Qualcomm CPU. However, now that HTC announeced that they most likely will use other CPUs with next generation of phones, makes me really wonder if I should get Touch Pro or wait
What I really would like to have, is a Touch HD, with side QWERTY and performace of Asus 565 ) (HTC hope ur reading this topic!)
Well, but anyways, in terms of viual aspect - I think the new lineup is pretty nice (with few colourful exceptions...)

Great info mate, thnaks, now I can say that HD with kb will appear sometime this year!!!!

McHale said:
Since PPCGEEKS is getting hammered, I grabbed all the pics from the roadmap to post here. Sorry if this has been posted already, couldn't find it when I looked.
Also sorry I was too lazy to individually post them.
-Mc
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nice one

Its all down to if they perform as good as they look.....hopefully yes!!

25 devices in one year does sound a little too much to me.. I just hope they have the time and the will needed to support today's models.
In other words, I hope this doesn't stop them from developing a new ROM for the Touch HD when WM7 is out!

EXCITING!
If there was only specs... uggghhh. this'll hold me over for sure though.

Flickr Gallery Slideshow:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157612448219843/show/

fbifbi said:
Wow, now that's what I call a leak... I can only hope for HTC that current generation sale won't suffer that much...
I was really considering getting Touch Pro, but the only thing holding me back was the performance of Qualcomm CPU. However, now that HTC announeced that they most likely will use other CPUs with next generation of phones, makes me really wonder if I should get Touch Pro or wait
What I really would like to have, is a Touch HD, with side QWERTY and performace of Asus 565 ) (HTC hope ur reading this topic!)
Well, but anyways, in terms of viual aspect - I think the new lineup is pretty nice (with few colourful exceptions...)
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which other chipset? you mean other than qualcomm? the OMAP 34x0 of the palm pre?
which contender do you see?

stefn22 said:
which other chipset? you mean other than qualcomm? the OMAP 34x0 of the palm pre?
which contender do you see?
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Here's what I was referring to:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090106PD224.html
and this is the website of the mobile platform:
http://www.ericsson.com/solutions/mobile_platforms/
I wonder how good it is really.
As much as I like HTC products, I think many people would welcome faster CPU. Personally, I would be more than happy if HTC decided to go for Xscale (made by Marvell) and left a 3d accelerator as well.
That's a nice 'lil thingie for instance: http://www.marvell.com/files/technologies/Marvell_PXA168_Product_Brief.pdf
I guess time will tell...

fbifbi said:
Here's what I was referring to:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090106PD224.html
and this is the website of the mobile platform:
http://www.ericsson.com/solutions/mobile_platforms/
I wonder how good it is really.
As much as I like HTC products, I think many people would welcome faster CPU. Personally, I would be more than happy if HTC decided to go for Xscale (made by Marvell) and left a 3d accelerator as well.
That's a nice 'lil thingie for instance: http://www.marvell.com/files/technologies/Marvell_PXA168_Product_Brief.pdf
I guess time will tell...
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Ericsson? interesting
and what do you think of qualcomm snapdragon?
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Surely Qualcomm must put some money in to keep HTC using them...
I am quite sure the snapdragon will be available in summer in the next HD or Diamond.
Anyway thanks for the information

stefn22 said:
Ericsson? interesting
and what do you think of qualcomm snapdragon?
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Surely Qualcomm must put some money in to keep HTC using them...
I am quite sure the snapdragon will be available in summer in the next HD or Diamond.
Anyway thanks for the information
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Well, I'm pretty sure HTC won't completely move away from Qualcomm. It's really a well balanced solution for smartphones - a kind of all-in-one chip.
Snapdragon is pretty interesting too. I saw the specs while ago, the only thing that's missing there for me is hardware support for video decoding. It has 3D accellerator all right, but HTC has basically shown that it doesn't care much about utilizing its' speed for things other than the fancy GUI.
Of course, it won't bother people who don't watch any videos on their smartphones, but those who do that won't be happy. For instance I still have my Axim X50V, which can playback a 2CD DVDrip at 215Mhz, without any hickups. This unfortunately isn't possible on Diamond and the rest of the bunch.
Here's an interesting comparison test on Asus P565 and Diamond.
http://gadgetmix.com/index/?p=2420
and another one:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1806
I read a topic here on XDADev about Touch Pro, and someone has contacted HTC for official statement about the 3D drivers. Their reply was (regarding Touch Pro at least) that it is a business device and they have no plans for developing a 3d driver...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429679
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449391
I know many people were pretty disappointed when HTC announced the specs of TouchHD and it turned out it has the same CPU as the rest of 2008 lineup.
Problem is, that if u r a person who likes to play around and tune your device (like I think all people here on XDADev) there's no real alternative for HTC
Hopefully HTC will hear the calls of masses
PS. Check out youtube for Nvidia Tegra This is a killer CPU.

this just announced Marvell's PXA168 Capable of 1GHz+ would be awesome on a new PPC device!
http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/marvell_pxa168_applications_processor_sheeva/release/1199/

Android on HD2

Hi all,
Sorry if this has been answered before!
Does anyone know if its possible to install an Android rom on the HTC HD2? That phone with android would be amaazing.
Thanks!

Not without a whole lot of work.
It is definitely a waste of that hardware to put wincrap on it.
The one reason I would NOT contribute to running android on that device is that every one of those devices that HTC sells, some amount of your $$ gets sent to microshaft, so strictly from the perspective of "I absolutely will NEVER give ONE THIN DIME to those greedy evil bastards", I would ignore the hardware and not do anything that could potentially boost its sales.

Always possible with XDA Dev...see this active thread in the Leo section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575

Thanks for the responses...
Yeah I would love to see Android 2.0 on a Snapdragon processor. I too have a distaste for contributing to MS by purchasing an HD2, but it would be worth it
I get the feeling the recently confirmed "Google Phone" will infact be a modification of the HD2. The thing is, it's so fricken perfect in terms of form factor, I hope they don't make it worse in an attempt to make it distinguishable different from the original
Fingers crossed. And thanks, Ill check out that link.

lbcoder said:
Not without a whole lot of work.
It is definitely a waste of that hardware to put wincrap on it.
The one reason I would NOT contribute to running android on that device is that every one of those devices that HTC sells, some amount of your $$ gets sent to microshaft, so strictly from the perspective of "I absolutely will NEVER give ONE THIN DIME to those greedy evil bastards", I would ignore the hardware and not do anything that could potentially boost its sales.
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So do you own an HTC HD2 or not? If as you say you shouldn't have one, and how you would know if Android is not easy to install on HD2?
You can hate MS as we all do, but don't bad mouth a great piece of hardware, which maybe great if it runs Android.

wouldnt it easier to buy the nexus one ?
specs are close enough ....

maybe the release of this will make a port easier
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/01/26/htc-supersonic-htc-a9292-render-and-live-picture/

I too, would like to see an android release on the HTC HD2... I really expected more from winmo 6.5

i hope there will be a port for winmo6.5 on hd2

We're all waiting for this mate.

Better be aware of who you support
lbcoder said:
Not without a whole lot of work.
It is definitely a waste of that hardware to put wincrap on it.
The one reason I would NOT contribute to running android on that device is that every one of those devices that HTC sells, some amount of your $$ gets sent to microshaft, so strictly from the perspective of "I absolutely will NEVER give ONE THIN DIME to those greedy evil bastards", I would ignore the hardware and not do anything that could potentially boost its sales.
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You complain about MS but think that Google is better? Really! You might want to check into the politics and beliefs of the Google CEO Eric Schmidt. In one of his most recent interviews he stated that he saw nothing wrong with controlling the news available to users via it's home page and search engine. Funnier yet is that they complain about China's censorship, I guess he beliefs censorship is ok as long as he is the censor.
Anyway, didn't mean for this to become a rant, but Google is no better than MS when it comes to attempting to control a market. Windows & Palm were first on the scene with smart phones and both of their operating systems have grown tremendously. I would even say that Apples iPhone OS would not be as intuitive today if it were not for MS and Palm.

Do you really want to port your own version of Android to HD2? It will never be as smooth and fast compared to say just buying an HTC Supersonic.
Also, what do you do with it when everybody has moved to Android 3.0? You won't have any support for it. The ROM Cook may no longer be interested with porting Android 3.0 to what would have been an old outdated piece of hardware in a year's time.
You're better off just buying an HTC Supersonic. At least you could pray that HTC would give you future Android versions when they become available.

I've played with a Nexus one and a HD2. The hardware is not close in my opinion. The supersonic (Evo) looks great but it's cdma.

sancmat said:
The supersonic (Evo) looks great but it's cdma.
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I'm sure (or at least hopeful) that a GSM version will be available later. It's a shame to have such an excellent spec hardware not available to the rest of the world.

eaglesteve said:
I'm sure (or at least hopeful) that a GSM version will be available later. It's a shame to have such an excellent spec hardware not available to the rest of the world.
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Really! I've gotten so tired of my Pro2 with WM 6.5, I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was GSM and supported my carrier's 3G. But of course, AT&T has to get the worst Android phones in history in its lineup while forgetting about HTC completely.

If the only thing to edit is the radio rom, shouldn't be such a big deal for all the developers here.
Really looking forward to my HD2 running android!!

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Really! I've gotten so tired of my Pro2 with WM 6.5, I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was GSM and supported my carrier's 3G. But of course, AT&T has to get the worst Android phones in history in its lineup while forgetting about HTC completely.
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I hope you know why At&t doesn't want htc smartphones on their lineup? The reason is because they dont want any htc phones to destroy the iphone. Which is true...sales will drop if a htc 4"3 screen showed up. Not to mention apple is sueing htc.

I just noticed the HTC desire has almost identical specs as the HD2, except for the screen size, most of it is the same, both are gsm....cant they port the android os from the desire on to the HD2..??

bizmark03 said:
I just noticed the HTC desire has almost identical specs as the HD2, except for the screen size, most of it is the same, both are gsm....cant they port the android os from the desire on to the HD2..??
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i want to know this as well .
Android for the hd2 ?
windows mobile isnt what i expected at all . A total failure (WM6.5 )actually IMHO

Think the Droid Incredible ROM would work on a HD2?? I don't know if it being from Verizon would make a difference or not. BTW - Droid Incredible is the strangest name for a phone EVER!!

HTC hero, anygood?

Heyy everbody,
at the moment i have a htc Pharos, and im looking for an upgrade. Ive seen a few HTC Hero's on ebay for around $450 and that fits into my budget, so i was wondering if Hero's are any good? Also i have Bluetooth activesync setup on my Pharos and it works great with passthrough, but is there a way to set up the same thing on a android. btw i dont have wifi, so thats not really an option.

The hero is a good phone, but its a little out dated. If you want android, get a desire, legend, nexus 1. If you want to stay on winmo, get an HD2, they are only ~$300 on ebay right now

cmstackar said:
The hero is a good phone, but its a little out dated. If you want android, get a desire, legend, nexus 1. If you want to stay on winmo, get an HD2, they are only ~$300 on ebay right now
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Pretty spot on. Hero is outdated a bit...

Thanks, ive been looking at android phones as they are in my opinion much better than winmo. The legend seems like a good phone for the price but ive heard its a bit outdated, but then again if i buy a HD2 and can i put android on it?

Hi everybody, I am a new member just joined the community
to share my knowledge with others.

Atrixx said:
Thanks, ive been looking at android phones as they are in my opinion much better than winmo. The legend seems like a good phone for the price but ive heard its a bit outdated, but then again if i buy a HD2 and can i put android on it?
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The Legend is the Hero's replacement. I own a Hero, and I can say that it's definitely not a "new" phone for mid-2010. Yes, it's nice, and the development community is active (90% functional Froyo? I'll take it!), but its features have been superseded a million times by high-end Snapdragon+WVGA phones. If you like the Hero, then take a look at the Legend instead - it has slightly (very slightly) better hardware plus a different/better version of Sense UI that includes some widgets and features not found in the Hero's.

Like some others have said, the hardware is outdated and by the end of this year with the 1.5Ghz Snapdragons coming out, the Hero will be long forgotten but still sellers on eBay will try to get $400 for it Personally I like the Hero design but looking at the lifespan, I'd say the Hero should be worth $200 max at this point due to the RAM, CPU, and display limitations.

You can always get an HD2, put android on it, but it will never be like owning a native Android phone. I know, from experience. But, I would suggest the Desire or Nexus One. I personally have a Nexus and LOVE it

I need a new smartphone, need help to find one.

Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!

award982 said:
Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.

BigJayDogg3 said:
Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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nope i do not, i want to get non-branded

bump...anyone?

I had a kaiser for 4 years, then moved to the EVO on launch day. Couldn't be happier, phone is snappy as all hell, and haven't run into missing driver issues at all - the only thing HTC dropped the ball on with the EVO is capping the frame rate at 30 fps (which causes that stuttering), but if you're rooted, you can load a custom kernel that breaks the cap. Although I'm very familiar with the drivers that were missing from the kaiser, I haven't heard about any missing drivers on the EVO - care to provide a link?
Any of the galaxy s line of phones are good too - if you're coming from a kaiser, you may like the epic for the slide-out keyboard, bit they're all pretty much the same. These also have the top of the line performance for the 3d graphics that you mentioned. The 3d graphics on the EVO are pretty good (you only run into issues with some of the more demanding 3d games), but this is really where the galaxy s phones shine.
Unless you're really tied to wm6.5, I would stay away from it - it will be completely obsolete in just a few months when version 7 comes out. Unlike previous versions of wm, 7 won't be backwards compatible, so pretty soon there won't be any compatible apps for any wm6.5 devices. I would also say that any slowness or lagging that you saw on the hd2 was more than likely caused by wm, and not the chip. Give Android a shot - you won't be sorry. And stay away from the hero too, its not going to be upgraded anymire either - in fact you may want to stay away from any device without a 1ghz chip.
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BigJayDogg3 said:
Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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The epic actually doesn't, and the gps issues on the other galaxy s phones are all supposed to be patched by the end of Sep.
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well i don't really like the looks of evo, what about desire? it runs droid 2.1, has a 1gHz processor, what do you think about it? What about hd2? i read somewhere that it has a 100% working port of android (1.6 i think, and i guess it will get an update to 2.2) also has a 1 gHz processor.
Anyways, i know hd2 supports multitouch, but i couldn't find anywhere if the desire does.
Now about galaxy S... i have bad memories about my samsung phones, its the only phone manufacturer i cant stand.
i guess its either hd2 (because i think its the best of the current models with wm) and some android model like desire or nexus one that has 1gHz processor.

i like the desire im actually thinking about picking one up real soon.

I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better

freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?

award982 said:
guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be

Get a Galaxy S or a Nexus One, both amaaaaaaaaaaazing phones. Samsung got it right with the Galaxy S
And get away from Windows Mobile. I come from a Touch Pro 2 and it is a terrible, laggy OS. Android 2.1+ is where it's at
An HD2 (with Android running) or an Evo could be another option. The Desire is a slower phone than all of the other phones I've mentioned here.

freakzone said:
It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).

award982 said:
i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess

freakzone said:
Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
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Maybe i should wait til wm7 is released, then maybe htc will release a new android phone that probably will have better software than n1 or desire, or maybe i will even buy something with wm7. OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BUY A FREAKING ASUS P535 that i used to have, witch worked without problems, all the apps worked fine, 3d was a blessing from the god itself. Damn the stupid qualcomm. I am actually very afraid of buying again from HTC. I had such high hopes for the kaiser when i bought it and i am afraid of buying some piece of **** again so im researching all the dirt i can find on the best smartphones.
Thanks freakzone for your time on helping me, i really appreciate it.
edit: i actually thought about customization of android like ubuntu. just imagine a 3d desktop cube on a tiny screen like that

No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it

freakzone said:
No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
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i guess its either hd2 or desire for me, will go and play with those later today and see witch is better for me. I am so nostalgic about the good old times 2 years ago, having a p535 from asus was the best thing ever, it did everything i wanted it to do, it was fast and very rarely i had to restart it. I think i am going to get the hd2, even though i would like a hardware joypad but i think i can live with touch I'm just too sad that everything these days looks like a bloody iphone: nokias,htc's,samsungs, everything... i just can't stand it! i miss the good old days of wm with a square profiled pda with good, strong hw buttons and wm5

i had a samsung moment until it bricked when i tried to root it and now i got an htc hero love it

freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.

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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I agree with Android being market grade, but disagree with the general hate fir WinMo i've seen in this thread.WinMo is a dinosaur, but dinosaurs are still big and powerful creatures.
I personally don't like suggesting the N1 because of the problems i've heard of with the soft keys being hard to hit. And (not a very big deal) it only registers two points of contact iirc. My thing is if im going to pay money, i want the best, not something that is that limited.
I like the desire though. I wish more phones would have actual buttons. Between the Desire and the HD2, id get the Desire.
And i doubt the OP has issues with WinMo if he's been using it for years and us considering getting another WinMo phone.
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which phone to choose?

Hi.
I realy want to upgrade from my Nokia N85 (Yup, good old symbian (from the days it was still good)), So I'm looking for a new smartphone.
What I need in my phone is a good CPU, gaming (no need for best in the market), a good camera and good build quality. Also, I realy like the HTC Sense.
there are a few devices that caught my eyes:
Desire HD
Desire
SE X10
HD2 and flash android (is it fast as native android phones?)
Which should I choose? I need a phone that will be usable for a couple of years (yup, long time). Any other suggestions would be great, only thing, I'm not going to buy samsung (bad experience from the past), and my budget is not unlimited (Desire HD is the highest I would pay, but I might go for it).
thanks in advance

I am choosing between same phones (but not dhd), and i think, i can add one more, Acer Liquid Metal.
Very good price, inside it is desire z, but support isn´t good as HTC. Now I am really don´t know, which one i choose.

0Marty said:
I am choosing between same phones (but not dhd), and i think, i can add one more, Acer Liquid Metal.
Very good price, inside it is desire z, but support isn´t good as HTC. Now I am really don´t know, which one i choose.
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Liquid Mt looks nice through hardware, but I realy like the HTC Sense and build quality, plus its not even available in my country (almost no-one imports it).

anybody? I realy need an advice, which phone should I choose?

I'd go with the HTC Desire. Great developer's support and you can get one used for ~$300 USD.
If you want the 4.3' display, it'll cost you around $425-$450.

Is the CPU/GPU on the Desire good enough for a couple of years (will it be good for games in that time?)
and how is the HD2 with android? is it as fast as a native android device?

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how is the HD2 with android? is it as fast as a native android device?
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I run NAND MIUI Android on HD2 and it is very fast. I tried several Android builds and that based on Desire rom are very fast (if you like Sense). These with newer Sense (ex. DHD) are also fast but sometimes there are some glitches. If you don't like Sense there is always CM7 - it's crazy fast
I bought HD2 to have Android but tried also WP7 and I'm very shocked it works so great. I recommend HD2 but the choice is yours.

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If you like to choose from a wide range of roms, you should get yourself a G1 (HTC Dream). The phone is cheap nowadays and should be easy to root. I'm running COS-DS gingerbread 2.3.3. rom on my G1 and it works nearly perfect.

fuzzyland said:
I run NAND MIUI Android on HD2 and it is very fast. I tried several Android builds and that based on Desire rom are very fast (if you like Sense). These with newer Sense (ex. DHD) are also fast but sometimes there are some glitches. If you don't like Sense there is always CM7 - it's crazy fast
I bought HD2 to have Android but tried also WP7 and I'm very shocked it works so great. I recommend HD2 but the choice is yours.
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Thanks, but compare to the Desire, the performance is the same? how is the battery life?
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If you like to choose from a wide range of roms, you should get yourself a G1 (HTC Dream). The phone is cheap nowadays and should be easy to root. I'm running COS-DS gingerbread 2.3.3. rom on my G1 and it works nearly perfect.
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Thought of buying this one as a secondary once, for development and trying stuff, but I don't have much spare money. So at least for the near future I'm not going to buy a Dream. And I want a device also for gaming.

i think desire hd is best choise!

d883113 said:
i think desire hd is best choise!
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+1 10characters

Definitely not X10. The X10 series have been lacking in support from Sony (though XDA gives plenty) and it doesn't have very good hardware parts too.
HTC would be a good choice, value for money.

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Thanks, but compare to the Desire, the performance is the same? how is the battery life?
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I don't have Desire but my friend does and the performance of HD2 seems to be higher than Desire. But if you don't want to play with WP7 and other OS', I'd consider buying DHD.

I think if you just look calls, text messages and other basic function, you can choose to nokia. If want to play big game, pay attention to the entertainment function should choose android system, DHD is right choice

x249541389 said:
I think if you just look calls, text messages and other basic function, you can choose to nokia. If want to play big game, pay attention to the entertainment function should choose android system, DHD is right choice
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I'm not a basic user, I use lots of internet, games and stuff, plus many applications.
And as I said from the beggining, I'm probably going for a droid, that's why I asked for advice.

Take the Desire HD, you'll enjoy it, I promise you.
Pesah Sameah, gever.

How is the difference in the battery life between the Desire and the Desire HD?
butman0 said:
Take the Desire HD, you'll enjoy it, I promise you.
Pesah Sameah, gever.
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Thanks for the advice.
hag sameah vekasher gam leha

+1 desire HD . THE BEST CHOICE NOW ~