ok so im noobish and before anyone rips me apart for even asking i did look it up and still dont understand...i have never used(or heard of) Debian but i see alot of pople talking bout running in on the g1 along side android..and im just wondering what kind benefiets is there to it.abd yea i kno im gonna get some greif for this but be gentel (ive seen dumber posts...ps2 emu..lol)
thanks in advance for not ripping me apart
hey i tried to PM you and says u have choosen to not recieve PMs...
I've noticed quite a few people have issues with the current debian how-to so perhaps since you are offering to help people over pm, you could draft up a friendly how-to to save yourself the onslaught of private messages
I know I would appreciate it as I would love a place to point co-workers/friends to for guidance instead of me just doing it for them...
resize debian image on windows
ive been researching this topic for some time now and have successfully installed the 750mb image but i cant seem to find any information on resizing the image on windows xp as i have only found information on resizing in linux.
also what additional programs can u install and run to utilize the debian os?
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
there is an installer for debian. works great and easy. I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.
I recommend downloading (it's free) a ubuntu or kubuntu CD, these are the most popular linux distros that require basically no knowlage of linux or computers to run. My Grandma uses this and my grandad an avid windows fan for 10 years is considering switching. You could also dual boot (Windows + Ubuntu choice at startup) or use a virtual PC, though i personally don't like them.
Then you can follow the instructions to resize, I doubt there's a way to do it on windows and I find faffing around in windows command line harder than bash (linux command line).
as far as running it on your phone. There's a fair amount doable in command line if you get confident at that. Run it as a webserver, convert files to a format that android can run etc.
Also there's a large amount you can do with a window manager, although that's limited to the g1's fairly bad specs (most applications are designed for fast processors aka computers + Laptops)
Has anyone tried VLC yet?
i second this..if anybody has a larger image than the regular 750mb can u please upload it or message me thanks
4u2nv68 said:
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.
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as being the origanel poster here i dont know much of anything about debian but i have read some people have put vlc on g1 but its currently non operation(dont understand why u would want it if it wasnt working) again im just curious and b4 the post get off topic and anyone wouldnt mind talking to a noob PM and enlighten me on some of the beneifiets of running debian....thanks guiy xda has helped me alot. love this place full of g1 jedis!
XDA-Karma said:
Im just finishing up the image i will try to upload it but im not sure how or where too anybody can help me please!! it will be 3.5gig
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www.mediafire.com
Does anyone know of any VirtualBox Android Emulator that has Marketplace?
Thanks!
Oh, I forgot to add "that's free" and not the $50 that some cheeky bastards are trying to charge for a thing called AndroidVM!
iridium21 said:
Does anyone know of any VirtualBox Android Emulator that has Marketplace?
Thanks!
Oh, I forgot to add "that's free" and not the $50 that some cheeky bastards are trying to charge for a thing called AndroidVM!
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Android doesn't just load up and run on a PC. It's a source code project that a real developer has to spend time porting from platform to platform, unless you want to run it from a runtime built from the SDK. To do that requires an underlying OS, like Windows, Linux a MAC - something capable of running the SDK.
Since, VMware is emulating a PC, then in order to run as a real virtual machine, android needs to be pretty much ported to a PC. Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible, but geese - why? That said, it's bound to show up on an Intel compatible tablet at some point, if it hasn't already.
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Android doesn't just load up and run on a PC. It's a source code project that a real developer has to spend time porting from platform to platform, unless you want to run it from a runtime built from the SDK. To do that requires an underlying OS, like Windows, Linux a MAC - something capable of running the SDK.
Since, VMware is emulating a PC, then in order to run as a real virtual machine, android needs to be pretty much ported to a PC. Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible, but geese - why? That said, it's bound to show up on an Intel compatible tablet at some point, if it hasn't already.
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I'm already running Android under Virtualbox - I just wondered if there's a version for VB that has Marketplace.
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Android doesn't just load up and run on a PC. It's a source code project that a real developer has to spend time porting from platform to platform, unless you want to run it from a runtime built from the SDK. To do that requires an underlying OS, like Windows, Linux a MAC - something capable of running the SDK.
Since, VMware is emulating a PC, then in order to run as a real virtual machine, android needs to be pretty much ported to a PC. Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible, but geese - why? That said, it's bound to show up on an Intel compatible tablet at some point, if it hasn't already.
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Wow. So much complete and utter wrong in one post... I've been running Android under a virtual machine for quite a while...
There is an x86 version of Android available at androidx86.org
It will definitely run under Virtual Box or any other virtualization software package. It's Android 1.6 by the way, and you will have to perform some geek-like activities to simulate an SD-card to install appz.
Big question is whether an ARM-device version of Android would work in a normal VM emulator (not talking about Bochs and stuff).
FloatingFatMan said:
Wow. So much complete and utter wrong in one post... I've been running Android under a virtual machine for quite a while...
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Well, since I hadn't heard of a port to x86, I was certainly wrong about that, which makes the rest of the post moot, but not wrong. In any event, I stand corrected.
sorry to add a flame of any kind but this
"Since, VMware is emulating a PC, then in order to run as a real virtual machine, android needs to be pretty much ported to a PC. Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible, but geese - why? That said, it's bound to show up on an Intel compatible tablet at some point, if it hasn't already."
is totally wrong.
Virtual machines virtualise the hardware of your machine (bad explanation I KNOW). if you have a PowerPC you can only emulate PowerPC (Mac for those that dont know) and intel/amd chips are things like x86 then theres smaller devices like ARM. my point is that if you have a Intel/amd box you can only emulate x86 O/S. however if you have a netbook with a version of linux or windows built on arm arch then u could prob get away with the original android if you are running normal x86 then u require android that has been built from source on x86.
this made me laugh
"Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible"
all i can say is what??
anyway back to the point... to run android on a x86 box u need x86 android
The problem with getting the Market to work is simply that the GApps are currently only available in a compiled for ARM version. period. that's the answer you wanted to hear i guess.
@others: stop OTing please...
hvc123 said:
sorry to add a flame of any kind but this
"Since, VMware is emulating a PC, then in order to run as a real virtual machine, android needs to be pretty much ported to a PC. Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible, but geese - why? That said, it's bound to show up on an Intel compatible tablet at some point, if it hasn't already."
is totally wrong.
Virtual machines virtualise the hardware of your machine (bad explanation I KNOW). if you have a PowerPC you can only emulate PowerPC (Mac for those that dont know) and intel/amd chips are things like x86 then theres smaller devices like ARM. my point is that if you have a Intel/amd box you can only emulate x86 O/S. however if you have a netbook with a version of linux or windows built on arm arch then u could prob get away with the original android if you are running normal x86 then u require android that has been built from source on x86.
this made me laugh
"Since Android is built on a Linux kernel, it's not impossible"
all i can say is what??
anyway back to the point... to run android on a x86 box u need x86 android
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VMware and Virtualbox emulate PC hardware. Since Android runs on a Linux kernel, and Linux was originally developed for an x86 PC, it follows that a port of Android could be done for a PC. Since this was not a generic discussion about virtual machines but a specific discussion about PC emulation, I don't see where the argument is.
PC = x86 and it's successors. You said I was totally wrong and then pretty much made my case. The only point I missed is that the work had already been done. To run Android in a x86 (PC) VM, you'll need an X86 (PC) compatible version of Android - right - what I said.
Right... Ok, now does anyone know the answer to the original question?
the_fish said:
The problem with getting the Market to work is simply that the GApps are currently only available in a compiled for ARM version. period. that's the answer you wanted to hear i guess.
@others: stop OTing please...
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OP should read your thread.
arctu said:
OP should read your thread.
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I have
Supposedly, these guys have Android with Marketplace for VirtualBox:
http://www.androidvm.com/home
So it must be able to be done - the only problem is that it's $49.95!
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zgornz said:
They state they are running Ubuntu in a VM, then installed the Android emulator in Ubuntu, then the android emulator is setup to have the Marketplace. The android emulator is doing the ARM emulation.
I think using qemu User Mode emulation it might be possible to actually launch the Marketplace and apps via android-x86 without using a phone emulator. Not sure it would be that valuable, but it would allow lots more apps on a netbook running Android.
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I imagine it would be a mess to get a touch screen working in android running on an emulator.
I read reviews on androidx86 booted (not emulated) on a few netbooks that ran great and very responsive..I also read one on a touch screen comp that worked fine..they claim all apps work-minus gapps obviously.
I plan on trying this on my Toshiba nb205 netbook today and can post a review if anyone is interested..
Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
A review would sure be appreciated. More knowledge is always better.
Just a quick follow up, I tried out the Androidx86 on my netbook this weekend, both booted off the usb and installed on the hd..it runs..nothing spectacular and slightly dissappointing. You still only have a 4x4 screen and the Marketplace is entirely different, very small selection of "blah" apps..none of my favorite android apps anyways-facebook,twitter,gmail..not really any widgets either. Lastly, you need to use an external mouse..the touchpad just moves the background but gives you no pointer (could be a hardware compatability issue tho)..
On the positive side, the internet was very fast and resume time was almost instantanious..not really any major bugs, just nothing too special..
This method works with 1.6 as originally described here:
link-> forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529170
I got it to run with the signed-dream_devphone_userdebug-img-14721.zip image from HTC for the developer phone.
link-> developer.htc.com/adp.html
I replaced the android-sdk-windows\add-ons\google_apis-4_r02\images\system.img with the one from the signed-dream_devphone_userdebug-img-14721.zip
(you should backup the original system.ini)
I then used the Android SDK GUI interface to create a Google API Level 4 machine.
I did not need to install the marketenabler.apk, as described in the original thread.
It boots up like a new Dev Phone, it behaves like there is a valid SIM and working data connection.
CTRL-F11 rotates the screen (slide out keyboard).
I have only installed a few free apps (K9 mail) but they seem to work fine.
I can't post links so copy, and paste them.
It would be trivial to create an Ubuntu virtual machine and then install the Android SDK inside of it and modify the system.img. Installing the SDK on your own machine probably takes less space and resources then running it inside another VM.
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Well, since I hadn't heard of a port to x86, I was certainly wrong about that, which makes the rest of the post moot, but not wrong. In any event, I stand corrected.
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Updated, not corrected.
Yes, you were absolutely correct except for being out of date, because that process you described has already taken place as others have now pointed out.
To the person who said he was wrong, actually, no.
Android as it stands on the phone, is an ARM system compiled in ARM machine code. Android apps are hardware/platform agnostic but the operating system is not, it does have to be ported and recompiled for any different hardware system. That being said, it seems that most of that work is finished, ala androidx86.org
Cheers,
Rob
x86 Android Market
I have been reading a bit. It seems that it is possible to have Gapps installed for x86.
Froyo, people have been using Cyanogen 6 Gapps for Tegra.
Android x86 launched their Gingerbread version not long ago. It would not surprise me if Cyanogen 7 Gapps worked with it. Different devices used different versions and now there is just one version for all. It should be possible to run VM from the desktop.
NDK dependent Apps: in theory, it may be possible taking the apk using android apk tool, x86 NDK from the x86 build and rebuild it for x86 code.
I will be playing with an old EEE900 and see how this goes sooon.
Hi. I would love to see Native linux on my Sensation, but nobody did it yet, and I'm maybe high level user, but hardly developer. First I was thinking about porting HD2 Ubuntu, but then I realized... There is one very expensive device on the internet. Device with Android phone specs. but Native linux on it. Pandora Handheld Device. If someone could help me with porting pandora system (Or just do it yourway) it would be great, not only for me, but for the whole community. The big advantage is that, Pandora system is the most (I think) developed ARM Linux in the world. It means we just need to get it work, and the rest is already done.
Here you go with some links:
Porting
Booting
Files
Sorry for my English and I please you to help me. Will be waiting.
(Sorry if it should be in General)
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Hi. I would love to see Native linux on my Sensation, but nobody did it yet, and I'm maybe high level user, but hardly developer. First I was thinking about porting HD2 Ubuntu, but then I realized... There is one very expensive device on the internet. Device with Android phone specs. but Native linux on it. Pandora Handheld Device. If someone could help me with porting pandora system (Or just do it yourway) it would be great, not only for me, but for the whole community. The big advantage is that, Pandora system is the most (I think) developed ARM Linux in the world. It means we just need to get it work, and the rest is already done.
Here you go with some links:
Porting
Booting
Files
Sorry for my English and I please you to help me. Will be waiting.
(Sorry if it should be in General)
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I'm On it.
Are there any changes?
Recently, I found a topic about installing Linux Debian on P500. This piqued my curiosity.
The question is:
Is there other alternatives than Android for P500?
Firefox OS, Windows Phone, I know, is impossible, I am looking for other systems.
Best regards
-Caio
Those Debian installs are most usually for a chroot run on top of android. Get a bash window, not likely a GUI would be able to run with our memory limitations.
Some of us would kill for a working version of Ubuntu touch, but everyone else with higher-end phones is still waiting for this.
i know it may sound newbish, but isnt possible for windows phone to tun on an android device (althought its not open source)? i fund some vague informations on google, so thats why im asking
Well if you get some flagship devices like nexus 4, nexus 5 you can enjoy firefox os, ubuntu and sailfish on them
Hi all,
I have a few questions to ask the community and I hope I'm doing it in the right part of the forum.
I was wondering if it would be all together possible to emulate Android on Android? Like Virtualbox or VMware for x86/x64 OS'es, the use for it would be great. Not only could you then sandbox app-installs, but one could run many different versions of Android, switch between older and newer versions without any risk to the actual device and ROM's could be generalized for use on it.
I feel like this should be possible, since there are other kinds of emulators on Android, BOCHS even got an x86 emulator working on Android a while back, and Android itself can easily be virtualized, as proven by the many Android emulators that are out there.
So my final questions are something like:
1- Is this even possible?
2- If the answer to 1 is yes, is there anything out there that can do this yet?
3- And if the answer to 2 is no, why isn't there? It seems so useful to me... ;p
Anyway, if in any way you feel this is a stupid question, feel free to point this out to me. ;p
Grtz,
~ Nephatiu