Hard reset vs rom upgrade - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development

Hi, This is a strange question, but would like to know the answer ASAP. What is the difference between a hard reset vs rom upgrade with the same ROM?
Will there be a difference or it is the same, ie it will bring the mobile to the same state as when it was upgraded to that new rom?

umasiva said:
Hi, This is a strange question, but would like to know the answer ASAP. What is the difference between a hard reset vs rom upgrade with the same ROM?
Will there be a difference or it is the same, ie it will bring the mobile to the same state as when it was upgraded to that new rom?
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There will be no difference.
Best Wishes.

Thanks for a quick reply. I really appreciate it

umasiva said:
Thanks for a quick reply. I really appreciate it
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Hi, I did a hard reset instead of upgrading the same ROM again. But I noticed something. I had installed WM7ish.tsk theme before the hard reset. After the hard reset this tsk file I could still see the Home settings. Your ROM (as I am using the MSD 6.5.1.7 - 23085) doesn't have WM7ish.tsk. But even after hard reset this was still there. But if I do a ROM upgrade, it erases this too. Does this mean, there might be few settings, installs, registry entries, which wont be erased even after a hard reset?

Hardreset and flashing the same ROM again is not the same!
Flashing a ROM does not delete everything! That is the reason why you should always do a hardreset after flashing!
You can test it. After flashing the clock still has the right time. After a hardreset the time is reset to initial values. Time is not the only thing that does not get reset by flashing.

Cyberdyne said:
Hardreset and flashing the same ROM again is not the same!
Flashing a ROM does not delete everything! That is the reason why you should always do a hardreset after flashing!
You can test it. After flashing the clock still has the right time. After a hardreset the time is reset to initial values. Time is not the only thing that does not get reset by flashing.
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Hi, Yes you are right. But I am saying, when I hard reset the theme was not deleted, which is not part of the rom. I thought it will be like doing a complete format with a new rom and nothing will be there.
If I am right u mean to say, I should have done a hard reset when I had upgraded the ROM. But the wm7ish.tsk, I had never installed before. It was only after the ROM upgrade

Cyberdyne said:
Hardreset and flashing the same ROM again is not the same!
Flashing a ROM does not delete everything! That is the reason why you should always do a hardreset after flashing!
You can test it. After flashing the clock still has the right time. After a hardreset the time is reset to initial values. Time is not the only thing that does not get reset by flashing.
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Hi, Yes you are right. But I am saying, when I hard reset the theme was not deleted, which is not part of the rom. I thought it will be like doing a complete format with a new rom and nothing will be there.
If I am right u mean to say, I should have done a hard reset when I had upgraded the ROM. But the wm7ish.tsk, I had never installed before. It was only after the ROM upgrade

@umasiva:
I didn't realy answered your posting! It was just an answer to the main question of this thread and to the people who said that it would be the same.
Your problem is very strange! As I said befor, a hardreset deletes more than just flashing the same ROM again. Make a hardreset, softreset if the rom tries to install something from ext-rom at first boot and then doublecheck if the file is still there and if it has the rom-file-flag.

Cyberdyne said:
@umasiva:
I didn't realy answered your posting! It was just an answer to the main question of this thread and to the people who said that it would be the same.
Your problem is very strange! As I said befor, a hardreset deletes more than just flashing the same ROM again. Make a hardreset, softreset if the rom tries to install something from ext-rom at first boot and then doublecheck if the file is still there and if it has the rom-file-flag.
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how to find out on the rom-file-flag? Actually after a rom upgrade & hard reset, still the wm7ish.tsk is still there.

Cyberdyne said:
Hardreset and flashing the same ROM again is not the same!
Flashing a ROM does not delete everything! That is the reason why you should always do a hardreset after flashing!
You can test it. After flashing the clock still has the right time. After a hardreset the time is reset to initial values. Time is not the only thing that does not get reset by flashing.
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One thing more, you device can be brick while flash rom (cable is disconnet, ect..)

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Reflash same rom

Hi
I have now got problems with the rom i am currently using it constantly throws errors saying unable to execute tmail.exe, or devicelock.exe. I have tried hard resetting but this has not helped.
Is it possible to reflash the same rom or does it have to go though another rom and then back to the one i want to use, if this is the case i may just flash it with another rom from here and see how that goes.
Any help will be appreciated.
chris10230 said:
Hi
I have now got problems with the rom i am currently using it constantly throws errors saying unable to execute tmail.exe, or devicelock.exe. I have tried hard resetting but this has not helped.
Is it possible to reflash the same rom or does it have to go though another rom and then back to the one i want to use, if this is the case i may just flash it with another rom from here and see how that goes.
Any help will be appreciated.
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Yes u can reflash with same rom, assuming it is a cooked rom on ur device and that you have already hardspl? if so, then go for it! Reflashes usually sort the problem. If not re-download it on your comp and re flash using that.
How about re-flashing original rom from Palm? i already hard spl my treo. It say device already have latest rom. Can't force to reinstall. Anyone can help?

Does Flashing to 6.5 Hard Reset the phone?

Hello, I have a Sprint TP2 and was wondering if I flash to 6.5 will it hard reset the phone in the process??
Yes this will wipe all of the data that is one you internal storage.
viper786 said:
Hello, I have a Sprint TP2 and was wondering if I flash to 6.5 will it hard reset the phone in the process??
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yes it will delete everything. I would suggest you do a backup of your contacts then flash away.
Download microsoft My PHone it will save just about everything for you.
On a lot of the ROMs out there, it's actually a good idea to load up the ROM, then hard reset it again just to make sure everything gets reset. Sometimes weird things will happen otherwise
I use Exchange + MyPhone and can be back up and running in as little as 20 minutes after a hard reset.

help! Sprint TP2 bootstrap fail

help, im sorry for posting this problem. but i tried to google it just not find it.
I just got new sprint tp2, it freezes a lot. when i reset it, it says "factory bootstrap fail. Can't get device id n bla bla bla" after that everything is very not responsive. Freezes a lot in every click of everything. i'm still at WinMo 6.1 stock ROM
What seems to be wrong? what should i do? is it bricked unit?
i haven't done anything. just trying Hard Reset 2 times. but it still saying that. please help anyone.
I am so sorry because i'm a noob in this. Thanks for your help guys.
__ SOLVED__ by reflashing to stock rom. Thanks drewcam888 for the advice
suge_liang said:
help, im sorry for posting this problem. but i tried to google it just not find it.
I just got new sprint tp2, it freezes a lot. when i reset it, it says "factory bootstrap fail. Can't get device id n bla bla bla" after that everything is very not responsive. Freezes a lot in every click of everything. i'm still at WinMo 6.1 stock ROM
What seems to be wrong? what should i do? is it bricked unit?
i haven't done anything. just trying Hard Reset 2 times. but it still saying that. please help anyone.
I am so sorry because i'm a noob in this. Thanks for your help guys.
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First, are you doing a hard or soft reset? To do a hard reset go Start > Settings > All Settings > System > Memory or Clear Storage. If you do not have that option, pull out your battery, put it back in the phone and hold the volume down, send and end key at the same time, then restore to factory default.
If you are still getting this error take it back to sprint!
yes i've perform 2 times of hard reset. all by buttons combo (yes, no and power button). but it still happen each time i soft reset the phone. I might have a bad ROM inside. is flashing to newer ROM will give me a chance to fix this issue? thanks for the reply
Just reflash the stock 2.1 or 2.5 rom. My guess is that you have a bad flash. Also do a task 29 before installing the stock rom again.
drewcam888 said:
Just reflash the stock 2.1 or 2.5 rom. My guess is that you have a bad flash. Also do a task 29 before installing the stock rom again.
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just reflash to winmo 6.5 stock rom. and now all back to normal. thx a lot.
Btw, what is task 29? am sorry, i am a very noob
task 29 is the process that clears the storage of a phone, it happens before each ROM install. They have isolated the process and created an install for task 29, so it acts like something installs, but your phone memory is being cleared. After you run task 29, go into bootloader and load your favorite ROM (either through USB or SD card). The purpose is to have a fresh install each time.

[Q] Samsung Galaxy S HardReset

Hi,
I upgraded my Samsung I9000, from Éclair 2.1 to Froyo 2.2, with Odin, (everything is working fine), but...
My question is;
If I do a Hardware Reset does the phone downgrades to is factory default, in this case "Éclair 2.1", or it stays with the last OS installed?
Does anyone knows what happens??
Cheers,
Striken
A hard reset is different than a master reset. Hard reset only entails removing the battery from the device.
To answer your question, once flashed with a ROM, performing a MASTER reset, will bring the phone back to "factory" defaults, i.e. just like it was the very first time you booted it AFTER installing the custom ROM.
Hope that helps.
SeaborneClink said:
A hard reset is different than a master reset. Hard reset only entails removing the battery from the device.
To answer your question, once flashed with a ROM, performing a MASTER reset, will bring the phone back to "factory" defaults, i.e. just like it was the very first time you booted it AFTER installing the custom ROM.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks Man,
You are talking in a Master Reset, how exactly do you do that?
When I did a software reset it erases everything on the phone, contacts, apps I installed, everything except what belongs to the Rom I installed. Also the phone stayed like when was installed for the first time...
From what I've read an Hard reset puts the phone to is factory defaults, but when I did a soft reset it also stayed "brand new", like factory default.
My question is: does a hard reset erases the rom I installed and puts my phone like it was before I upgraded with Froyo 2.2?
I never heard anything regarding a "Master Reset", can you explain me more?
Thanks,
Striken
Also interested in learning how to Master Reset before playing with ROMs.
Bookmarked for later, thanks!
Hi Kops,
If you also learn anything about it please post it here ok?
Thanks
I believe you can find the stock firmware for your phone (2.1 or 2.2) and use ODIN to flash to that. By doing so, you will revert to 100% stock settings, no root, and no proof that you've flashed your phone at all.
In my opinion, this is your best bet for a "full reset".
When you flash a new firmware, the firmware is permanently installed. Performing a factory reset will NOT revert your phone to its older version. Only a reflash will do this.
Factory reset only resets things that are stored in user data space. Such as your contacts, custom settings and any apps that you have installed (not counting those that Samsung/Google have put into the system)
So there you have it. You can safely perform that reset if you want.
deliberate187 said:
When you flash a new firmware, the firmware is permanently installed. Performing a factory reset will NOT revert your phone to its older version. Only a reflash will do this.
Factory reset only resets things that are stored in user data space. Such as your contacts, custom settings and any apps that you have installed (not counting those that Samsung/Google have put into the system)
So there you have it. You can safely perform that reset if you want.
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Thanks for the help guys,
So, there's no difference between a soft and hard reset? Or is the factory reset an hard reset?
When I did a factory reset it erases everything and restored the phone to is default settings.
So, the only way to put the phone back like it was when I purchased is installing Eclair 2.1 again...
Thanks,
The only way to get 2.1 back is by reinstalling an official samsung firmware. Yes. If you have an official samsung firmware though, the phone is as it should be.
A soft boot is generally where you send the device a reboot command or turn it off and back on. A hard boot to reiterate generally happens after the battery is removed and reinstalled. This is not what is known as a factory reset and will not modify anything.
A factory reset formats the userdata and cache partitions and resets all settings to default including deleting any apps that were not installed on the factory firmware.
I hope this has answered your question.
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It did, thanks.
The only problem is that I never found an official Samsung firmware, in this case the Eclair 2.1 from Vodafone.
If you know any site that have that Rom please share it
I would like to have it so I can restore the phone in an urgency...
Cheers,
Try samfirmwares.com
architectniharshah said:
Try samfirmwares.com
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Already try that. They don't have it.
Or www.samsungfirmwares.com. they have an extensive collection of i9000 roms. Vodaphone is on the 3rd I9000 page.
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deliberate187 said:
Or www.samsungfirmwares.com. they have an extensive collection of i9000 roms. Vodaphone is on the 3rd I9000 page.
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Thanks man,
Don't want to be a pain, but just one more thing if you or anybody knows...
When I both my phone it came with Eclair 2.1 from Vodafone like I said.
You presented me with a page that have the 2.1 stock Rom from Vodafone, but, originally the phone had a Vodafone startup animated logo.
Do you know if the rom in that page has that animation startup?
Thanks,
P.S. One more thing, when I said that I didn't find anything in that site I was mistaken, it was not that website but samfirmware.com website.
Thanks again,
Its a stock rom. Just like the one that shipped inside your phone. It will have all of the features of the ROM you started out with.
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You can remove all user data that is located on internal memory by typing *2767*3855# in dial pad and NO it won't downgrade to previous firmware.
deliberate187 said:
Its a stock rom. Just like the one that shipped inside your phone. It will have all of the features of the ROM you started out with.
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Mangoli said:
You can remove all user data that is located on internal memory by typing *2767*3855# in dial pad and NO it won't downgrade to previous firmware.
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Thanks for all the help guys!
Just one thing all of the firmware in samsungfirmwares.com have a download option but without any link...
How can I download?
You have to register to download if I remember correctly.
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deliberate187 said:
You have to register to download if I remember correctly.
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Hi,
I've try that but theres no option for register a new user there.
I manage to download else where.
Many thanks!

[Q] reboot loop

My g2x keeps rebooting over and over again! This happened after i mounted it to my pc. it tries to read my sd card then just reboots over and over again. I have nv flash and tried to restore old back up but still does it. can any one help im thinking i need to flash stock.
you need to do a factory reset if your nandroid backup doesn't work. if that doesn't work reflash the rom.
I already did a factory reset and wipe and tried to re install the rom. it just continues to reboot. It starts up and if quick i can get into my lock screen and access things but within seconds it reboots and continues to do that
What rom are you using?
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What rom are you using?[/QUOTE
I was on a stock rooted rom when the problem happened. so i then i did a restore. when that didnt work i reflashed the stock rom that was posted on forum. i think it has something to do with my internal memory which i cannot access. this all happened when i was trying to back up my sd card while in usb and it just got an error when i unplugged it enless reboot.
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I was hoping it was something simple like undervolting with a custom rom. I wish I could help. It sounds like you tried everything I would recomend. Maybe one of the real Android techie type guys can help you. I am still learning myself.
jcbofkc said:
I was hoping it was something simple like undervolting with a custom rom. I wish I could help. It sounds like you tried everything I would recomend. Maybe one of the real Android techie type guys can help you. I am still learning myself.
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Thanks anyway! I even when as far as to re-flash stock recovery and then try to factory reset it but still did not work. I just dont know what the heck happened. So today I went to t-mobile and they r sending me a new phone and for know I have a loaner 10 days until I get the new phone they said it was backordered. oh well

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