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Should I keep the AT&T Tilt ROM or try the HTC (or some other) ROM?

Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave

I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.

Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.

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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.

I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live

Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!

It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.

Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?

dhecker said:
Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.

Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!

Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.

I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.

Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup

Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
Alemaker

Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..

dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...

kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.

dhecker said:
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.

Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone

I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?

What really makes a ROM fast?

Hi Guys,
Ever since I got my Fuze I've been flashing ROMs left and right. I've tried almost all of them, and I've become curious about what really makes the Cooked ROMs faster? What I've found so far is that the pagepool is supposed to make quite a difference, but I was wondering if there were any other factors.
Thanks

I would be curious about that two

I would guess that more registry tweaks. Also less software running in the background.

I was wondering the same thing but how does another ROM versus the stock ATT ROM? Is there that much of a difference?
I dont know if its worth the whole hard reset to flash another ROM from my stock ATT without the bloatware. Is it worth going to the ROMeO rom?
Also, how about the neccessory programs like Opera or IE or the settings of the phone?
Sorry for so many questions...

hipertec said:
I was wondering the same thing but how does another ROM versus the stock ATT ROM? Is there that much of a difference?
I dont know if its worth the whole hard reset to flash another ROM from my stock ATT without the bloatware. Is it worth going to the ROMeO rom?
Also, how about the neccessory programs like Opera or IE or the settings of the phone?
Sorry for so many questions...
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It really really REALLY is worth it. I mean its so much faster its ridiculous. Looking back, I can't even believe I put up with the stock AT&T ROM. ROMeOS so far is the fastest I've used, but NATF 2.2 is the one I've used with the least errors or problems. Right now I would recommend the stable build of ROMeOS, even though it is quite old, I've had some problems with the newer ones.

djcaston said:
It really really REALLY is worth it. I mean its so much faster its ridiculous. Looking back, I can't even believe I put up with the stock AT&T ROM. ROMeOS so far is the fastest I've used, but NATF 2.2 is the one I've used with the least errors or problems. Right now I would recommend the stable build of ROMeOS, even though it is quite old, I've had some problems with the newer ones.
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thanks for the feedback. can you recommend the version of the ROMeOS or the NATF ROM for the Fuze?
Which one is better for a newbie and I do like some of the ATT programs like quickgps, youtube, etc.

hipertec said:
thanks for the feedback. can you recommend the version of the ROMeOS or the NATF ROM for the Fuze?
Which one is better for a newbie and I do like some of the ATT programs like quickgps, youtube, etc.
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I'm running ROMeOS 1.51 right now. I highly recommend it. It's light-weight, fast, stable, and no-hassle.

after searching the ROMeOS ROM 1.51 there are two versions...1 for the FUZE and one for the Raphael.
I have the Fuze but read that its not too stable. For the people that have the ATT Fuze, which one are you using?

thanks for the answers maybe i will flash and do a ROMeOS, but on a stock At&t Rom how much does eliminating the bloatware help as far as speed

hipertec said:
after searching the ROMeOS ROM 1.51 there are two versions...1 for the FUZE and one for the Raphael.
I have the Fuze but read that its not too stable. For the people that have the ATT Fuze, which one are you using?
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The Raphael version of ROMeOS works just fine on the Fuze. 1.50.5/1.51 works great! Just remember to get the Fuze keyboard CAB

I still have the same question as the OP.
Someone posted registry edits and less software running.
Ok, well I can do registry edits easily on stock rom.
As far as less software running. What software exactly? Just leaving software out of the base install isn't going to speed anything else, it'll just save some device storage.
My VZW TP boots up and doesn't have any programs running. I see some services certainly are running, but I'd figure those are necessary to the OS.
So what exactly does a cooked ROM to do make the device faster?

new to fuze, have rom questions...

i just started browsing this site a few days and am very impressed with the whole community..
anyway, i just swapped out my samsung epix for an htc fuze and love the phone so far. I've already succesfully removed the at&t tab, fixed the small mms issue, and changed the default device.home.
thats apperently the the tip of the iceberg as far as customizing this phone goes. I am now interested in a different rom. I've noticed a lot of good things about the energyrom 2.0/3.0 and am very interested but also hesitant to flash my phone since i only just got it and dont want to void any warranties.
my quesions;
1. whats the latest energyrom 2.0 build? (maybe give me a dl link)
2. does the rom come with a bunch of apps im not gonna use?
3. Do i need to flash the radio before/after the rom or at all?
4. and which radio is best?
tia, im looking forward to learning more as this phone will do until i get the touch pro 2 or whatever comes next.
edit: i do realize there is a wiki and have been studying it, i've also seen the rom flashing for noobs section and have a rough idea that hardspl is a failsafe should anything go wrong

I'm just going to say that you need to find the answers to your own questions.
Start here.

Rick Chase said:
i just started browsing this site a few days and am very impressed with the whole community..
anyway, i just swapped out my samsung epix for an htc fuze and love the phone so far. I've already succesfully removed the at&t tab, fixed the small mms issue, and changed the default device.home.
thats apperently the the tip of the iceberg as far as customizing this phone goes. I am now interested in a different rom. I've noticed a lot of good things about the energyrom 2.0/3.0 and am very interested but also hesitant to flash my phone since i only just got it and dont want to void any warranties.
my quesions;
1. whats the latest energyrom 2.0 build? (maybe give me a dl link)
2. does the rom come with a bunch of apps im not gonna use?
3. Do i need to flash the radio before/after the rom or at all?
4. and which radio is best?
tia, im looking forward to learning more as this phone will do until i get the touch pro 2 or whatever comes next.
edit: i do realize there is a wiki and have been studying it, i've also seen the rom flashing for noobs section and have a rough idea that hardspl is a failsafe should anything go wrong
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Welcome to forums
Energy ROM is great!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536751

im still iffy on going to a 6.5 rom cause i guess its still a beta version on winmo (i think) so i was more thinkin on 6.1, i dont need newest just something different from stock but stable as well.
i was lookin at this list (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Cooked_WM6.1_ROMs) and noticed energyrom 2.0 build 41609 was the newest but the thread link doesnt work.
i clicked the energyrom 1.0 build 32609 thread link and it brought me to a thread for energyrom 1.0 build 41609.....is that the same as energyrom 2.0 build 41609?
i also looked around and noticed the radio is untouched with just a rom flash so ill leave that alone for now. thank you for showing me how to use google anyway.

I am using 6.5 EnergyROM. It's very stable. Try it. The radio in my signature really works well in Northern California.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536751

aight, i think i will. thanks again for the info.

i flashed the rom to the energy 6.5 rom and am pretty amazed at people are willing to do for free. now ive only messed with it for about an hour but am loving it.
the only thing im worried about is how high the memory usage will go and how the battery life is affected..

What ROM are you Running????

Im Running MightyMikes on Sprint...only thing is no MMS =( waiting for a fix...may go back to STOCK until then...

I'm using NRGZ's Leo rom. It rocks. MMS is working, but you have to use the winmo interface instead of the new manilla version.
Kevin

chewie8han said:
I'm using NRGZ's Leo rom. It rocks. MMS is working, but you have to use the winmo interface instead of the new manilla version.
Kevin
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i had that on B4 i went to MightyMikes...i'll try it...hows your battery life...mine was better on the stock...wierd.

I don't really have a real close comparison. It all depends on where I'm using it. My work coverage sucks (stuck in the dead center of an office building) so my battery life there is horrible no matter what. I'd say on Leo it's a little bit better, which is saying something because I seem to be fiddling and messing with it more.
I've been using NRG's roms since the TP1. I haven't really tried any other ones on the TP2 since I liked his so much on the TP1.
Kevin

I'm running MightyRom's winmo6.5 on my verizon TP2. Everything is running smooth so far.

Mighty! No big bugs but I am interested in the new manilla so I may try Nrg.

I've tried 2 Energy Roms,
Leo looks better but buggy, Photon is not as nice looking, but has less bugs.

MightyMikes on Sprint!!

MightyMikes on VZW, It Rocks!!

I'm running Juicy's R2 Rom. I love the Leo TFL3D but it is a little buggy.

Mikes Mighty ROM. I have no issues so far. All features working.

Engery Rom....

Mighty Mighty on VZW TP2...i put this puppy to the test too and no issues to report.

pboshell said:
I'm running Juicy's R2 Rom.
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+1 on Sprint but put SPB 3.5 over it.

My first ROM flashed was Mighty, 100% stable, very nice and fast, and I mean NO ISSUES!
Then I tried Energy ROM Manila 2.5 and loved the interface, but it don't any good if is not stable and MMS don't work. I tried and I tried all the fixes for MMS (Verizon by the way) and could not get it to work. Now I am back to Mighty and very happy with it. Definitely a HUGE improvement over the Verizon stock ROM.

Mighty Mike ftw ^^

Mighty Mikes ROM on my VZW TP2, only one small issue is the time zone when updating My Location via the weather tab, a quick fix right after a weather update is to go settings-all settings-personal-phone-CDMA Services-Time synchronization-update now
This keeps your currently updated weather and brings your time back to your real time zone.
All in all a very fast and stable rom, no crashes all features working.
Also his update looks as if it will fix the time zone issue. As well as adding more performance among other things.

Is there a thread or place where I can go to look at all the CDMA ROMs that are available? Or will any ROM work? Should I look in the ROMs thread, or are those GSM only ROMs?

The TP2 PPCgeeks forum is the place for our rooms right now.

good place for cdma roms
http://thewingster.com/tp2cdmaroms.aspx
im currently using EnergyROM_21864_RHOD500_03.Nov.2009_Standard so far no issues at all except i think the physical keyboard mappings need fixed but haven't looked into it enough yet.
i tried EnergyROM_21864_RHOD500_02.Nov.2009_Standard and it was very buggy, im glad NRG released a quick fix the next day.

Just wanted to say...

Thanks! To everyone here that contributes and to everyone who has wrote ANYTHING that I have read that has helped me. I have been "hacking" phones for years. It all started with the Razr, one of the first phones I back in the day ... I have done so much reading and surprisingly I was able to install many cooked roms without the need to post any questions. There are MANY detailed tutorials around here. I read what I needed to and looked around.
I didn't really get into installed cooked roms until about 3 days ago. In those short 3 days I have went through 3 or 4 different roms/themes/setups just to get it EXACTLY how I wanted it. Right now I am using:
NFSFAN's WM 6.5.5 23541 SYS/XIP GENERIC CARRIER ROM with SENSE UI 2.5 on a Verizon Touch Pro.
This is the 4th one I have used and I will tell you why. I am on Verizon( ugghhhh I live in Montana I really have no other choice). And with the phone being so crippled(Took out memory and other stuff compared to Sprint, from what I read) I was unable to use a couple different Roms. I WANTED to use them, I LOVED the look, but with everything installed the phone was SO lagged it was nearly impossible to use. On a sprint phone it would of been AWESOME I think. It might not of even been the rom, something might have been wrong when I installed it. I tried MightRom6 and I did like it, the only reason I switched is because I wanted the "Sense" instead of TouchFlo, I don't know why, I just wanted something new, but I LOVE it.
Right now with this cooked rom, and tacchan23's Sense Theme and Top bar I LOVE it. Run's fast as hell. Faster then the Stock rom. Looks AMAZING. Smooth. I LOVE Sense. Right now my phone is set up exactly how I want it. Sense is way better then TouchFlo IMO.
To anyone who is new to installed cooked roms and is on Verizon I highly suggest NFSFAN's Rom if you want Sense, or Mighty if you want TouchFlo(Might is still a little faster from what I can tell, But just doesn't have the look and feel that I want). I wish I had sprint because from what I hear their phones have more memory, and from what I encountered will be able to run certain roms that a Verizon HTC touch Pro won't(I could be wrong).
Anyway, Thanks to everyone who is wrote a tutorial or anything. Thanks to everyone who has worked on ANY cooked rom. Big props to all cooks, they have amazing skills!
Awesome site and awesome job on everything!

Welcome to forums
Nice words for 1st post

Thanks . I've been browsing for over a year, I signed up pretty much a year ago, mainly used this place for simple questions. But I got into the cooked rom scene pretty fast. I was tired of installing all these programs to "customize" my layout, just to slow down my phone even MORE. I love these roms because, not only do I get more functions and a better look than my stock rom, but It is WAY faster, which is really nice. I HATE stock verizon rom. It's ugly, slow, and everything about it is lame. I have tried Wisbar/WBA Desktop/ MObile Shell 3.5, I like them ,but they all slow my phone down WAY to much. Now after I install a cooked rom, I install PhoneX, S2U2 and SMS-Chat, and that is all I need. My phone looks perfect and I am not suffering a loss of resources!
Big props to all the work that is done around here.