Hi everyone
I have a P3470+ (HTC clone from China) Phone (Hisilicon K3, 460MHZ, WM 6.1) and my problem is that whatever navigation software (or Google Maps) I use, the phone doesn't find any satellites anymore :-( It USED to work but now it doesn't?!?
Anybody know how to fix that problem?
Also, can I update the ROM? Where do I find an ENGLISH ROM (WM 6.1 or even 6.5?). I know how to set this phone into an "update mode", I also have a software called "IDT" from Hisilicon, the only thing I am missing is a ROM. Maybe this is the only chance to get the GPS working again?
Anybody know how to do a hard reset on this baby?
Thanks for your help and greetings from Germany
ColonelZap said:
Hi everyone
I have a P3470+ (HTC clone from China) Phone (Hisilicon K3, 460MHZ, WM 6.1) and my problem is that whatever navigation software (or Google Maps) I use, the phone doesn't find any satellites anymore :-( It USED to work but now it doesn't?!?
Anybody know how to fix that problem?
Also, can I update the ROM? Where do I find an ENGLISH ROM (WM 6.1 or even 6.5?). I know how to set this phone into an "update mode", I also have a software called "IDT" from Hisilicon, the only thing I am missing is a ROM. Maybe this is the only chance to get the GPS working again?
Anybody know how to do a hard reset on this baby?
Thanks for your help and greetings from Germany
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Download GPSToggle CAB from this link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7VRBH5RS . It is called GPSToggle and is a Today screen app. It works best when installed to main memory.
Once installed, you will need to add it to your Today screen. From your Today screen go to Settings, then choose Today settings. Go to the Items tab and you should see BAF GPS Toggle at the bottom of the list. Click the box to have it added to your Today Screen. Close the Settings screen and go back to your Today screen.
Now, a little bit of info about your GPS. It will work best when it has an unobstructed view of the sky overhead. It should stationery (not moving) and uninterrupted from the time you turn on the application.
Some people can get satellite signals inside a building. I can because I live in a one-story condo. If you can sit outside with your phone for about 30 minutes, GPSToggle should do the trick.
On your Today screen you will now see an item called GPS with the word OFF next to it. Click the word GPS and the word next to it will change to On indicating that the app has turned on your GPS.
Now sit back, be patient and wait. If you're lucky and outside, the SIRF III chip in your phone should lock on within as little as 42 seconds (doubtful in your case) and as long as five minutes.
Attached to this message are four screens showing what your screen will look like:
GPSToggle 01 - Initial turn on. GPS is in search mode (no satellites detected).
GPSToggle 02 - GPS on. Communication beginning. 12 satellites possible.
GPSToggle 03 - GPS on. Four satellite bars displayed. Satnav not possible yet.
GPSToggle 04 - GPS on. Four satellites locked on. 3D satnav possible.
Note 1: I had not turned on my GPS today which meant it took about 2.5 minutes to lock on. This is not bad considering I am sitting in my front room. Normally, it takes about 60 seconds when I have turned on the GPS previously in the day and eperemis data which is satellite position and timing information is available from a previous session.
Note 2: According to most SIRF manufacturers, it takes three satellites for 2D satnav to occur. Most GPS programs can operate with that mode. Four satellites provide 3D satnav which is preferred.
See if this works for you. If it does, whenever you need to use your GPS, go to the Today screen and use GPSToggle to turn on the GPS for you which will quote warm it up for your GPS program. Once you see four green bars, you can turn on your GPS program and navigate like a champ!
You can read further about GPSToggle at this URL and thank the developer: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gps-toggle.html
Good luck!
Thank you so much for this detailed instruction, I really appreciate it!
I tried it, unfortunately it didn't work for me
After + 1 hour it still says: GPS on Seek: 0
I'm starting to believe that this phones actually has a hardware defect?!? Whatever navigation software or GPS tools I use, GPS is ALWAYS found, Comport is open and it looks like data is flowing but never does this phone find any satellites
Anything else I might try?
Thanks
There are two more things you can try (actually three but I will save the worst for last):
#1 - To help your GPS, it is best for WM to manage it (a recommended feature from Microsoft). Go to the Settings tab, External GPS (why it is called that on my Settings tab is beyond me). Then click through the screens to have WM manage the GPS. On one tab you will asked to choose a Port from which all your programs will access data. You need to use an unused Port. I recommend Port 8 but that is up to you. Previously Ports 1 - 4 have been used by other programs. 5 - 8 are free and supposedly TMS uses Port 9.
The reason for doing this is if WM manages the data, it will keep the GPS on and provide the resolved info to all applications. If the programs managed the GPS, they could selectively turn on and off the GPS and also block each other from using the GPS. You don't want that to happen. That is why MS recommends WM manage the data.
#2 - While I have never used this option, Assisted GPS (AGPS) is the second option. You activate Assisted GPS by going from the Today screen to Settings and then System. AGPS is one of choices on this tab. Once selected, AGPS settings page will offer the chance to Enable this utility. Click the circle next to Enable to activate this feature.
Assisted GPS will use an internet or cell tower connections to download Epheremis data to aid your GPS to determine what satellites are available to you during a given time period which is why charging is recommended. Be advised that AGPS can your data plan to access the internet and could cost you some money. Supposedly AGPS should be able to download epheremis data within a short period. The file is a small text file. But I don't do it this way and can't really advise on this although I do know theoretically how AGPS works.
#3 - While this is not the worst of options, you can plug in your phone nearest a wall that is not obstructed by being in the middle of your house or apartment and turn on the GPS. If there is a room with a window where you can leave the charging phone, that would be a preferred location. In some cases, it can take hours for a phone GPS to be found. You could do this overnight if not having use to your phone is a pain for you. Yes, you might to leave it unattended for a long time.
There is one more option but that involves downloading another program which hopefully will not be necessary. Please try the options one by one and see what happens.
Good luck!
Correct time set and its importance to GPS position resolution
Pardon me for what I now say but, I made an assumption and would like to cover that base. Is your time and time zone correctly set?
Global Positioning Satellites (GPS) use the time set by a GPS receiver as the entering argument to determine where your GPS is. When your time and its time zone settings are received, the overhead GPS will transmit to your receiver the epheremis data which is the location and times satellites will be overhead where your time is set.
Being off one minute, a couple or even an hour *might* not be too bad. But three hours (a time zone) or using AM versus PM will seriously affect what epheremis data is transmitted and used by your receiver.
Time zone is also a similar error. Off one or two zones and the wrong epheremis data will be transmitted and used.
To use an example, this would be like telling a friend you will be in Paris at 10 AM sharp when you actually are in Milan and it's 8 PM. If your friend were to look for you at the Eiffel Tower at 10 AM, do you think they would ever find you if you actually were in Milan?
GPS receivers suffer too when incorrect time or time zones are set by the user. Granted, the user should sync the time with their computer but even some users have incorrect time set on their computers.
Hopefully this is not one of your problems.
Thanks again for putting so much time into my problem!
I just checked the time, date and time zone, it's all correct.
I tried it with and without having WM manage the GPS, right now I have this function ON in the external GPS settings. Program port 5, Hardware port 6, Baud Rate 4800. I KNOW these settings are supposed to work because they did when I first received that phone. Igo8 worked perfectly with these settings
about #2: This phone does NOT have any A-GPS settings. I'm SURE I looked into the right place, I have another phone (a T5355+ Touch Diamond2 clone), that phone does have A-GPS settings and they are found right where you wrote they should be. So, nothing I can do about A-GPS settings on my P3470+ phone with the problem :-(
about #3: I have my phone in a room right under my roof right now, underneath a huge window, charger connected, hoping for a positv result. In that spot I was always able to find some satellites
What else have I tried before:
I tried using Quick GPS, I downloaded the data, no result. I also deleted the Quick GPS data, just in case, but it also didn't do the trick.
Anyway, I'll leave my phone under that roof window for the night, I'll post the result tomorrow
Thanks again for all your help, I really appreciate it
You're welcome, Colonel. Every time I see a post like this, I thank my stars that I have not had this problem. I was a Mod on another GPS forum and saw this frequently but half the time it was what we called in the military "operator error" or self-inflicted.
I wonder if you have installed other GPS apps and removed them? Reason I ask is that I've noticed with WM6.1 and above, that WM seems buggy when apps are installed and removed. I don't think it's MS's fault but what I call "crippled ROMs" that we are seeing. Not all ROMs are created equal if you get my drift. If you have a backup program like SpriteBackup or SPB Backup, you might want to do a backup and then a master reset or Mass Clear to bring your phone back to an initial state where the GPS drivers should all be present. I would save that for tomorrow if I were you.
I know it's probably about beddy bye time if you're in Germany. There is two more utilities I can recommend. The first I have a doc file on which I will paste here.
Winfast Navigator (WN) is the easiest to use in my humble opinion (IMHO). I have a Holux GR-271 that connects to my PDA as a NMEA receiver on Port 4 at a baud rate of 4800. Once installed, you can use your values to test your receiver from the first page displayed.
I have attached the zip file to this message. I think you can install the CAB file to your storage card. Once you do, you can use the settings you quoted in the first window.
Here's how another member reset his GPS using WinFastNavigator and how to set your values on the first page:
http://tjworld.net/wiki/Howto/ResetGPSReceiverToNMEAMode
While I would not recommend setting your SIRF chip to NMEA, one of WN's utilities will reset your SIRF chip if you want to go that route. I would have reinstall it to my phone as I did not need it for my phone.
Not sure why but xda could not attach the file. Here is a link to it:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VTSNORVT WinFastNavigator.zip
Good luck!
same problem
ColonelZap said:
Hi everyone
I have a P3470+ (HTC clone from China) Phone (Hisilicon K3, 460MHZ, WM 6.1) and my problem is that whatever navigation software (or Google Maps) I use, the phone doesn't find any satellites anymore :-( It USED to work but now it doesn't?!?
Anybody know how to fix that problem?
Also, can I update the ROM? Where do I find an ENGLISH ROM (WM 6.1 or even 6.5?). I know how to set this phone into an "update mode", I also have a software called "IDT" from Hisilicon, the only thing I am missing is a ROM. Maybe this is the only chance to get the GPS working again?
Anybody know how to do a hard reset on this baby?
Thanks for your help and greetings from Germany
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have the same problem with a phone like, ask the chinese rom, but not how to install on the phone , because apparently I need the driver (my pc does not recognize the pharos downloading clone mode), you use if you send the original ROM?
Hi everyone and especially Ronp76
The night under ste stars didn't do the trick
I was suspecting I might have a "crippled ROM", so I did a Clean Boot a "long" time ago, with no success.
O.k., I just installed WN, clicked on Port Setting, selected SiRF and tried to set it to Port 6, Baudrate 4800. I got an error message:
"Couldn't open the Serial_AGPS COM6 port!"
Same error message on COM1 and COM3, the only port I don't get that message is "Serial_BT COM2"
Bluetooth????
When I select that Port, WN tries to connect but nothing happens :-(
EDIT: I still had BAF GPS Toggle runnning, after turning it off, I didn't get the error message on COM6 anymore. But still WN is trying to connect to COM6 and is getting nothing :-(
EDIT2: I tried a tool called "GPS Port Scan" http://www.51spsoft.com/DownInfo/info30767.html, it searches for GPS, finds it on port 5 AND (?) port 6, when I open Port 6, I can see "data flowing" (see attached picture). But that's it, when I check the GPS status with this tool, it shows no longitude, latitude or anything :-(
While I would not recommend setting your SIRF chip to NMEA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't, should I try this anyway???
@ssccll
I know what you mean, when I put my phone into that "download mode", connect it with my laptop, Vista is trying to find a driver which I also don't have. Since I couldn't find an English ROM for that phone, I haven't really worried about that (yet)
SatCE rogram recommendaton
ColonelZap,
I am sorry to hear that Plans One and Two did not work. I think you're right that something drastic has happened to your GPS and now it is not being found. Hopefully you got a one year warranty with your phone and can return it if my next couple of plans do not work.
I have Plan Three ready now and will work on Plan Four later. Plan Four involves WinFastNavigator and resetting your GPS. I will have to reinstall it on my PDA as I took it off when I made it a dedicated iGO8 GPS with TTS support. iGO8 and TTS use just all available memory. Plan Three is a program called SatCE.
SatCE is a pretty smart program that usually finds a GPS regardless of whether or not the user knows how to find its settings. Download the CAB file and install it to SD card memory. Start up SatCE and you will see the Initial Screen. This screen has interesting information once the program is locked-on to satellites. Please note that since I launched my SatCE from a cold start with my Clone's GPS, it has no satellite information.
From the Edit menu on the taskbar, choose Location. The SatCE Location Screen will appear and you will see that SatCE is using the GPS location for its eperemis data. Change this Location to the city nearest you. Then tap the Calc button on the same screen and go back to the Initial Screen.
If your GPS works, the numbers should begin to change with the Sun and Moon information the easiest to verify. Based upon your time, you should be able to see that the Sun's azimuth and elevation are correct. By setting the Location, SatCE will force your GPS to use this Location as its present position in the epheremis data equation to locate satellites.
SatCE works really well and displays some pretty neat pictures if you click on the Icons next to the Edit menu.
Good luck and I will work on reinstalling WFN.
I am just about done setting up my PDA with WFN. In the meanwhile, I will post a more detailed URL for WFN as there may be more info there that I have glossed over:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/winfastnavigatorppc.php
To get back to one of your questions about changing from SIRF to NMEA, I am unsure because we are dealing with Clones and I yet do not know all the specs for SIRF III which is supposedly the chip used in our Clones.
Supposedly with previous or older SIRF chips, you could change back and forth between NMEA and SIRF because that was built into most chips. I don't know if SIRF III has this capability.
One thing unknown to the average bear or GPS user is that programs can tweak your GPS chip. GPS chips have flash ROM memory like our Clones' memory. Instructions or new data can be written to flash ROM which can affect how your GPS chip operates. OR, instructions can be written and cause your chip not to work.
I hope that maybe one of your programs wrote some bad instructions which did not damage your GPS chip but reprogrammed it making it invalid. Since it worked previously with other programs that is the more likely scenario versus it failing but hey stuff happens!
I will leave you with these thoughts while I go "play" with WFN on my PDA. Colonel - this is going to cost you beer (just kidding)!
WinFast Navigator Reinitialization of GPS chip
ColonelZap,
I think you broke the code on using WinFast Navigator BUT just in case and to allow others to follow along, I will now detail how it can reset a GPS chip.
From the previous Initial Screen, a user selects Port Setting and inputs the appropriate values. If these values are unknown, they can be found by going from Today/Settings/System/External GPS. These values are set from the Initial Screen using the attached WFN Port Setting Screen. Select SIRF and your appropriate Port which can vary from Clone to Clone and HTC to HTC (this stuff does apply to HTC regular phones too).
At this point if you had a working GPS chip, you could click Connect from the Initial Screen and should get a message to the effect that your GPS was found. If not, then we will now get into some of the tweaking found from this URL:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/winfastnavigatorppc.php
Once you have set your GPS chip values AND know them to be correct, you will reinitialize your GPS chip using the WFN Reinitialize Screen Page. This page is found on the Initial Screen by going to Command.
Click Command and you will see the WFN Reinitialize Screen. You will select Factory from the Reset Modes available. Click OK and go back to the Port Settings page to see that the values are what you initially set.
Click Connect again and cross your fingers that your GPS chip was reset and it now back to a working Factory Mode.
BTW, WFN's Reinitialization page is good for other things too. If you ever travel more than than 10 miles with the GPS chip off, epheremis data will be written to your GPS track log with your last known position. This last known position is used to locate satellites.
Like the previous example of telling someone you're in Paris when you're actually in Milan - if your GPS thinks it's in one place when it's actually in another, this can delay the Time to First Fix (TtFF). Basically your GPS chip is going from a Cold Start with bad data.
You can force the GPS chip with WFN to first Connect using the Initial Screen page. WFN remembers the values you set. If by chance, the Connect is taking too long OR you have travelled a long distance say by plane, you can exit the program and start it again.
Then you will go to the Reinitialization page and do a Cold Start. This will clear the track log and force your GPS chip to use its time + time zone to communicate directly with overhead GPS satellites.
One more note and I found this by accident. In the same way GPS chips can be tweaked incorrectly, they can be tweaked in a positive manner. If you look at one of my PDA's WFN Initial Screen, I tweaked the GPS chip from a baud rate of 9600 to 57,600.
Older GPS chips were set at lower baud rates when they were fully capable of higher rates which is kind of like a modem that can use various baud rates. By using the WFN Reinitialization Screen page, I reset mine on the NMEA tab to 57600. I have not checked this with the SIRF chip on my clone but will do so later this afternoon.
Good luck again to you. Hope this works!
SatCE Mission failed
I followed your instructions, my city was even listed Clicked on calc and numbers started to change on the main screen. No satellites, though
I couldn't tell if the sun's position is right, it's pretty cloudy, I couldn't see the sun.
When I clicked on the sat-symbol in the taskbar it reads
"GPS not activated"
WN Mission:
Here's what I did:
Port Settings – SiRF – Com 6 – 4800 Baud – ok
Then I clicked on command, selected Factory, selected 4800 in the SiRF settings, pressed ok.
Now, here is the "funny" thing: As soon as I pressed the ok button, the main screen came back up and it reads NMEA in the bottom left corner? WHY NMEA????
Other than that, nothing happened
Man, I really owe you more than just one beer
ColonelZap said:
SatCE Mission failed
I followed your instructions, my city was even listed Clicked on calc and numbers started to change on the main screen. No satellites, though
I couldn't tell if the sun's position is right, it's pretty cloudy, I couldn't see the sun.
When I clicked on the sat-symbol in the taskbar it reads
"GPS not activated"
WN Mission:
Here's what I did:
Port Settings – SiRF – Com 6 – 4800 Baud – ok
Then I clicked on command, selected Factory, selected 4800 in the SiRF settings, pressed ok.
Now, here is the "funny" thing: As soon as I pressed the ok button, the main screen came back up and it reads NMEA in the bottom left corner? WHY NMEA????
Other than that, nothing happened
Man, I really owe you more than just one beer
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Rule of thumb regarding Sun:
9 am - 090 degrees East
12 pm - 180 degrees South
4 pm - 270 degrees West
I think SatCE had the same problem as the other programs - your GPS has been reset.
I don't think I remember reading or seeing a WFN Factory Reset not bringing a GPS chip back to its original settings. On the WFN Reinitialize Screen page (attached), go from the Reset tab to SIRF tab. Insert your proper values and click OK.
You could go back to the Connect feature but if it was me, I'd do a soft reset after exitting the program. Do a soft reset and then run the program again. You may wish also to repeat setting up the SIRF values on that tab and then doing a Factory Reset to see if that helps. I seem to remember doing different combos but it has been a year or two since I did all this "black magic" but it was PFM when my GPS came back.
You might also want to look at the URL in my previous message to see if I missed something. I know that that URL reads like a doctoral dissertation but it saved my bacon when my PDA's GPS was reset by a program.
Then you can look at this page:
http://tjworld.net/wiki/Howto/ResetGPSReceiverToNMEAMode
That user wrote about how his GPS chip worked with both SIRF and NMEA. I would think our Clone's SIRF do the same. If nothing else works, you could set NMEA and use the values he suggests for making a SIRF act like NMEA with these values:
GGA 1
GLL 0
GSA 5
GSV 5
RMC 1
VTG 1
MSS 0
User 0
User 0
User 0
I have to run but will leave my computer how so I can tap into it and maybe respond on the fly! Good luck!!!
BTW, on one of your combos, please make sure you check the SIRF tab and then ACTUALLY do a Factory Reset by clicking the OK on that tab. I know you probably did this but just want to make sure you clicked OK on this tab.
You could also do a Factory Reset followed by a Cold Start immediately after that.
Gotta jam!!!
Hi again
I re-did everything, softreset and EVERYTHING.
The "bad news" is, when I use the Post Scan Utility (see my Post #9), NOTHING is found anymore
I also have the feeling, that WN is not really doing anything? Whenever I restart it, the baud rate is back to 38400, it doesn't take my 4800?!?
I'm also a little confused why I only get Port1, 2 ,3 and 6 offered when I go to the Port settings. The only port accepted is port 6 and this port is called "Serial AGPS" why "AGPS"?
I'll play around a little more, maybe I'm doing something terribly wrong?
UPDATE:
After I did the NMEA thing, I used the port scan tool again, this time it found GPS on Com5!!!! Too bad WN doesn't offer me that Comport
UPDATE 2: This port scanning tool always seems to find the GPS at the port I set under "Programs" in the external GPS settings, NOT the hardware port.
Looks like the Colonel is getting plenty of help!
Sorry about the problems though. But this has been a really interesting lesson in how GPS chips work. Bookmarking this thread right now so I can come back to it later (here's to hoping that doesn't need to happen! )
BTW Colonel.. I forgot to mention to you (and in my little video) that I am also using the Windows Mobile utility for managing my GPS connection. I think its called GPSID Settings (cab attached). I have the checkbox clicked to manage the connection automatically. After doing that, I open the GPS viewer to bring the GPS chip to life before launching iGo.
AGPS usually stands for Assisted GPS which means that your GPS is being "assisted" by your data plan and/or cell towers to get epheremis data. I did not think about that. You will find AGPS on Settings/System/AGPS. If it is on, I'd recommend turning it off as it should be "helping" you. You can about SIRF and AGPS here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiRFstar_III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
I noticed in your second picture that the GPS was found on Port 5 but you say that you have been using Port 6.
If and I do recommend WM6.5 being set up to have manage GPS data, WFN needs to know the real or actual Port when you do a Reset.
Serial GPS also means something but I have my mind on what I'd doing right. I've seen it some context and feel it may be a factor. . .
SIRF, Port 5 would be my bet if GPSViewer found it there.
Colonel,
When you go to Settings/System/External GPS, what Port does WM report your GPS as? That report or Port should be the one you focus on resetting or re-initializing.
Related
I have an HTC Touch Cruise and have installed TomTom 6 that came with the device. When I start it up, however, I get the message "No GPS Device!" in the lower left corner. Any ideas about how to get the handheld to see my internal GPS? I really thought this should work as the TomTom software provided on the CD appears to be modified for the Polaris.
pdamd said:
I have an HTC Touch Cruise and have installed TomTom 6 that came with the device. When I start it up, however, I get the message "No GPS Device!" in the lower left corner. Any ideas about how to get the handheld to see my internal GPS? I really thought this should work as the TomTom software provided on the CD appears to be modified for the Polaris.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1 Run QuickGPS
2 Ensure that in Tomtom GPS is configured as other NMEA, comm 4, and 4800.
I have the same problem. Did you wait long enough? It takes about 10s or more to initialize TomTom itself and then he starts looking for a GPS device. And indeed I ran QuickGPS too, good practice
pdamd said:
I have an HTC Touch Cruise and have installed TomTom 6 that came with the device. When I start it up, however, I get the message "No GPS Device!" in the lower left corner. Any ideas about how to get the handheld to see my internal GPS? I really thought this should work as the TomTom software provided on the CD appears to be modified for the Polaris.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you read the HTC documentation, you'll see that you've to first (before installing the TomTom software) run the QuickGPS fix application. After that, install your TomTom SW, your card. Normally you won't have to change anything to the GPS configuration. The TomTom SW come configured with "Internal GPS Antenna" and should work like this.
Of course you have to be outside when you run the GPS
Be patient the first time. My Polaris take about 2 to 5 minutes before initializing the GPS. After that, 10 to 20 secs is generally needed to initialize the GPS (cold start).
you've to first (before installing the TomTom software) run the QuickGPS fix application
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't run quickgps before installing tomtom and it works perfectly.
I reinstall TomTom and choose other NMEA, com 4, 2400.
I will also try with 4800.
In my case, the gps is incredible. It fix gps in 10 to 20 seconds.
Ziggy
pdamd said:
I have an HTC Touch Cruise and have installed TomTom 6 that came with the device. When I start it up, however, I get the message "No GPS Device!" in the lower left corner. Any ideas about how to get the handheld to see my internal GPS? I really thought this should work as the TomTom software provided on the CD appears to be modified for the Polaris.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,
Mine works just fine. However, when I start TomTom I also get the message "No GPS Device!" bottom left. After a while it changes to "Waiting for a valid GPS signal..." This is typical if you are not receieving any GPS info because the device can't 'see' the satellites. On the bottom right of the screen you will see 5 'strength' indicators. Tap on this to bring up the next screen. At the top right there will be a battery strength indicator. Under this there is again a signal strenth indicator (with text 0 satelites). Tap on this and you should get the GPS Status screen. Tapping the 'configure button' should show the 'built-in GPS receiver' - tap Select to return. Once you move your device to a position where it can 'see' some satelites this will be shown on the GPS status screen.
In summary, the message really means 'no GPS signal' rather than no GPS device present.
Cheers
Michael
GPS not working, please help!
Hi my friends!
I can't get GPS to work on my TC!!
I know I have to run quickgps first, but ONCE I did, and since that I always get the message that it couldn't connect, try later. I know that there is a file here that I can install on the device, and I did it successfully, but nothing changed.
I have installed the program on the device, it prompted me that it will replace the existing one, and I ran it after a soft reset. Still can't connect.
What is strange for me, is that I have downloaded a program called sirftech, that can tell on which port my built-in device is listening on, but it couldn't find my gps device. It founds somethings on com7 and com9 but to no avail.
on com4 at 4800 nothing happens.
I also install iGO 2006 which is quite familiar here in Europe, but it also cant nor detect neither use any gps. I have been waiting for 20 minutes with this program to get the satellite data, but nothing.
I am lost here!
Anybody having the same problem?
Or my device may be faulty???
moire76 said:
Hi my friends!
I can't get GPS to work on my TC!!
I know I have to run quickgps first, but ONCE I did, and since that I always get the message that it couldn't connect, try later. I know that there is a file here that I can install on the device, and I did it successfully, but nothing changed.
I have installed the program on the device, it prompted me that it will replace the existing one, and I ran it after a soft reset. Still can't connect.
What is strange for me, is that I have downloaded a program called sirftech, that can tell on which port my built-in device is listening on, but it couldn't find my gps device. It founds somethings on com7 and com9 but to no avail.
on com4 at 4800 nothing happens.
I also install iGO 2006 which is quite familiar here in Europe, but it also cant nor detect neither use any gps. I have been waiting for 20 minutes with this program to get the satellite data, but nothing.
I am lost here!
Anybody having the same problem?
Or my device may be faulty???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My GPS run well on my TC. First of all, I think it is normal that the program "SirfTech" don't find your GPS because the GPS Chipset into the Touch Cruise isn't a Sirf but it is integrated into the Qualcomm 7200 (processor).
Now to come back to your problem I suggest you to redo the TomTom installation. But before, insure to uninstall the previous version (not apply as an update).
Uninstall TomTom
Restart your device
Run QuickGPS
Reinstall TomTom (from the HTC CD). Install it into the main memory of your device, not on the storage card !
Restart your device
Launch TomTom / configure it
Check the configuration of your GPS (into "Change preferences" => "Show GPS Status" => "Configure" (Select your GPS receiver)
Built-in GPS received should be selected by default. If it is not the case, choose this option
Go outside and wait 1 to 5 minutes (should be less). Normally TomTom will work.
Hope it help.
I had the same problem yesterday. The GPS had functionned well but suddenly it would not start anymore. Once I switched the unit off (press the on/off button for about 5 secs) and on again it worked without problems. Probably you can just do a soft reset by pushing the resetbutton.
Thank you for you answer!!!
I have never installed tom tom, because I already have another navigation software, igo. the problem is that i cannot run quickgps, it is saying "Connection failed. Please try again later."
I already downloaded and installed the quickgps found on this forum, but it is the same.
so does it make any sense installing any program until I can't run quickgps?
or should the gps work also without quickgps just slower at startup?
(offtopic: and why my device sometimes does start charging if I connect to usb cable, and sometimes it does not??)
moire76 said:
Thank you for you answer!!!
I have never installed tom tom, because I already have another navigation software, igo. the problem is that i cannot run quickgps, it is saying "Connection failed. Please try again later."
I already downloaded and installed the quickgps found on this forum, but it is the same.
so does it make any sense installing any program until I can't run quickgps?
or should the gps work also without quickgps just slower at startup?
(offtopic: and why my device sometimes does start charging if I connect to usb cable, and sometimes it does not??)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which ROM are you using ?
Thank you for your post, but I have already tried both the restart and the reset button, but nor helped.
I am getting nervous.
But I have found a solution to my off-topic question: There was a check marked saying "Do not charge the device when turned on and connected to PC" In settings > Power. After I unchecked, it charges from usb even turned on.
I hope that my gps problem is so easy as well, but I just simply can't get it to work...
edsel said:
I had the same problem yesterday. The GPS had functionned well but suddenly it would not start anymore. Once I switched the unit off (press the on/off button for about 5 secs) and on again it worked without problems. Probably you can just do a soft reset by pushing the resetbutton.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, it is
1.25.405.1 wwe; dated 12/11/07
radio is 1.58.21.23
protocol: 25.65.30.04h
academic said:
Which ROM are you using ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
SOLVED!!!
Dear friends!
Thank you all for your kind help!
I have solved the GPS problem.
I am so stupid that I couldn't find this solution earlier...
So, Under Settings there is an option called External GPS.
It was not set up correctly. Now the GPS program port is set to COM1, the hardware port is (none), baud rate is 4800, and checkbox is checked, this is important. And igo is set manually to use com1.
Now iGO is able to seen 6 satellites from my desk near to the closed window!!
It is not yet found the position but it is working on it (i am patient as quickgps is still not working)
Thank you all and I hope I will help someone else later.
Moire
What device are you using? I have an HTC p3300 and have had this problem foreverr.
NO GPS Device!!! Please help
I bought my HTC TC yesterday. I previously used the Kaiser.
I've flashed to Bepe rom and then installed Tomtom from the CD.
I have not not been able to get any GPS signal yet.
I have read this thread but it still does not work. The yellow and blue icon on the GPS status screen doesnt move either. I have updated the quickGPS software but it didnt help.
I hve off course chosen internal GPS antenna in the configuration part.
Should I configurate the external GPS application or is it irrelevant anyway since I am not using it? and if yes how? What should be the settings (if this is relevant)?
Should I maybe change my Radio version? Can it help?
Please help
Thanks
Edit: After 2 days of trying it, no it works, I was ready to hard reset and installed sprite back-up. I have no idea why it did not work and why it is working now...
Anyway
my first polaris had the problem to get the position after 10-20 min outside a building , and then the sat-Bars on tomtom sat-konfig jumps around with every satellit forever. sometimes my car goes 347km/h ))). so when i press with my fingers hard on the back near the camera, it fixes the Position on gps. This seems to be a contactproblem between the gps-Antenna and the Receiver. I send it back, got a new one, now it runs like it shut.
it shut also run without quickgps, it only starts slower. Quickgps is just downloading a little database with the sattellites what are now in sight.
otherwise the gps-rec has to wait, to get all sats what are now on the horizon .
i think you have a connectionproblem to the internetserver from witch qgps get the data, if you can surf the internet with the polari, qgps shut download.
hope it helps
Piki
What is a good program that works with the TP so that I can test to see if my built in gps is working correctly?
I have TOMTOM7 installed and the application works but I can never see any satellites.
I tried mapopolis but i can't seem to establish a connection to the gps.
I updated the gps info using quick gps.
What com port and baud rate does the unit use?
What settings should I have in the "external gps" settings?
Thanks for your help!
Use the attached program to test the GPS.
It will search COM ports automatically
But I guess you can know the port from the settings tabs "External GPS" icon if it's like Kaiser
Anyway, I will be of further use in like 4 days
pjmiebach said:
What is a good program that works with the TP so that I can test to see if my built in gps is working correctly?
I have TOMTOM7 installed and the application works but I can never see any satellites.
I tried mapopolis but i can't seem to establish a connection to the gps.
I updated the gps info using quick gps.
What com port and baud rate does the unit use?
What settings should I have in the "external gps" settings?
Thanks for your help!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ok it seems its on com 4 with baud rate of 9600.
ill put it by the window and see if any satellites come up.
The screen just right now says: GPS starting up
Edit: ok great I just got 3 satellites. I guess it works!
Great that it works
You need at least 4 though to get a fix
Kindly, post your radio info and your location and let me know how many satellites did you view (press up on dpad as the 1st screen shows only upto 8 and it can see more, hopefully)
pjmiebach said:
ok it seems its on com 4 with baud rate of 9600.
ill put it by the window and see if any satellites come up.
The screen just right now says: GPS starting up
Edit: ok great I just got 3 satellites. I guess it works!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
posting the number of satelites you receive is a bit pointless.
This will depend on many factors such as
1) The number of sats viewable at any given time in your area (the sats are not geostationary and therefore move around)
2) The location of the sats during the test - some could be close to the horizon and therefore have a week signal
3) Weather conditions, cloud rain etc,
4) Terrain
etc
etc
Basically, you are right.
But if you are fast enough, you can test several radios in the same 10 mins.
And you can judge by testing in the same place which radio is better for GPS (Fix & View).
A mention of your location will be a referrence for others.
There's a thread with more radio fuss to hold such info to be useful in the future.
Hi pjmiebach - thanks for the hint and the software - I get 4 satellits (yellow beamer) but when I tryit again with Google Maps it finds no Satellite ???
Any explanation from yur side ?
as a matter of fact, on-board GPS works with just about any baud rate you select - so choose the fastest
peter7 said:
Hi pjmiebach - thanks for the hint and the software - I get 4 satellits (yellow beamer) but when I tryit again with Google Maps it finds no Satellite ???
Any explanation from yur side ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
errr It worked find with TOMTOM7 after taking like 15 min to find it's first fix. Never tried Google maps yet cause my data plan doesn't start until the 8th of Sept.
you can start google maps and check in the right menu for gps and tap that one so it uses the internal gps instead of internetconnection.
it is also a good idea to goto connectionsettings and wipe all existing connections as activesync wont require these and you can download them later from the provider website or by running the carriersetup
ok. ive broken something on my raph. gps was working fine when i flew up to sydneyim guessing ive fiddled with something (external gps setings) and now no worky. tom tom7 is set to internal. if i disable external gps gpstest pauses on com 3 but nothing. if i turn windows on. it stops on com 4 shows some progress bars but they are all at 0 ive soft reset. taken the battery out canter figure out whatsoever wrong. any ideas would be awesome
TT7 and google maps
My tt7 takes 2 - 3 minutes to get a fix.
Google maps takes about 10 secs.
If i start tt7 right after i used gm it takes about 20 secs to get a fix.
I'm gonna try gpsgate and changing the baudrate a bit, see if it helps.
I'll let you know.
** Edit **
GPSGate does the trick for me.
Buy it at your fav appstore and create a new virtual com port for all NMEA progs, go to tt7 gps settings select other nmea device, select the com you just created, at max speed.
com port problem
atreidae said:
ok. ive broken something on my raph. gps was working fine when i flew up to sydneyim guessing ive fiddled with something (external gps setings) and now no worky. tom tom7 is set to internal. if i disable external gps gpstest pauses on com 3 but nothing. if i turn windows on. it stops on com 4 shows some progress bars but they are all at 0 ive soft reset. taken the battery out canter figure out whatsoever wrong. any ideas would be awesome
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My Raphael do the same but after hard reset will be work again.
mzperxfl said:
My Raphael do the same but after hard reset will be work again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Me too! :-( No, I really do not enjoy hard resets...
Another nice GPS testing software is VisualGPSce. Be sure to get that.
I wonder if the problem was with QuickGPS. VisualGPSce was telling me that it "saw" 11 satellites, but wasn't able to lock onto any of them. I know that it had worked previously, but then I had a couple of days break and QuickGPS had updated it's data during that time. After the Hard Reset, I haven't used QuickGPS.
About the performance... seems to get fix quite fast, but looses them very easily too. I tracked today a half hour buss ride and I frequently lost the connection. (Sure it was not the most optimal situation...). Also the accuracy wasn't that good - well, either the GPS or Google Maps. actually VisualGPS showed that the GPS wasn't very accurate in following what was happening. The velocity would go to 0 only about 10 seconds after the buss had stopped at trafic lights or buss stop. Actually the buss frequently took of before the GPS showed us stopped. And then it was extremely slow on catching up. On Google Maps you could see the dot still advancing when the buss had stopped for that 10 seconds. Completely off the road - but that might as well be Googles error.
I do not have TomTom on this, but certainly the speed accuracy from VisualGPSce is not nearly as accurate as my TomTom 720.
Check also that the assisted GPS is not active.
If this option is actived, you lose the signal each x seconds.
To check this option I use Advanced config.
Note : I've a Diamond and one Raphael, same configuration, the Diamond find a fix into 40sec and the Raphael takes sometimes 5min!!!.
NLS said:
as a matter of fact, on-board GPS works with just about any baud rate you select - so choose the fastest
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i find this to be true as well but the kaiser gps radio worked far better than this touch pro in every app I tried. I can put the TP in my car window and get a signal with random disconnects but if i put it in my lap i cant get anything. I could put the kaiser in my trun and be fine lol. Hopefully some upgrades to the radio software will be coming soon. Same result with me with .19 and .31
Hello,
I tested GPSTuner 5.4, VisualGPS, GoogleMaps and TomTom 7 and I have a strange problem... I installed thos programs after hard reset to be sure...
In the GPS information window the GPS position changes but the speed is always 0km/h and in TomTom or GoogleMaps my position on the map don't move...
Have you seens this problem ?
Any kind of solution ?
PLZ....
PS :
Where can I find rom &Radio version ?
What is your TomTom 7 version ?
Hello All..
this is my first post. I just received my TP today via Vodafone. I havwe sucessfully loaded on TomTom 6 and I have it working with the TT external GPS receiver.
can someone advise me whether the Touch Pro's internal GPS will work and if so, how do I go about setting it up.
PS, I only see 4 options in TT6, and none say internal.
Thanks in advance for any assistance
I've seen lots of people complaining about poor GPS performance - slow to lock, not finding many sats, lag, etc.
But I can't get anything at all from my Touch Pro. I've tried several radio roms, no difference, tweaking the registry settings, and programs called GPSID Settings, GPS Test, and HTC GPS Tool, all without any success.
I believe I should be able to use the HTC GPS Tool to debug, and see the actually serial output of the onboard GPS? But I can't even do that, whatever serial port I try to open I get the message "Failed to send NMEA command...". This suggests to me that the onboard GPS is not giving any response at all, rather than not being able to lock?
Can anyone confirm 100% what com port and baud I should be able to find the on board GPS with? Is there anything else I can try?
BTW, my external B/T GPS works fine with my touch pro, but it would be nice to have the onboard GPS working too.
TP GPS always uses COM4 and any baud (I've tried 4800 to 115200).
Your post is not a "thread" yet and I doubt it will be.
Just search the other threads.
a bit dettered when reading all these GPS problems. Once I've got mine I've had no problem at al besides it showing me a bit off the road in Google Maps. as far as for settings its always been the same COM4 Baud 4800
mike-b said:
I've seen lots of people complaining about poor GPS performance - slow to lock, not finding many sats, lag, etc.
But I can't get anything at all from my Touch Pro. I've tried several radio roms, no difference, tweaking the registry settings, and programs called GPSID Settings, GPS Test, and HTC GPS Tool, all without any success.
I believe I should be able to use the HTC GPS Tool to debug, and see the actually serial output of the onboard GPS? But I can't even do that, whatever serial port I try to open I get the message "Failed to send NMEA command...". This suggests to me that the onboard GPS is not giving any response at all, rather than not being able to lock?
Can anyone confirm 100% what com port and baud I should be able to find the on board GPS with? Is there anything else I can try?
BTW, my external B/T GPS works fine with my touch pro, but it would be nice to have the onboard GPS working too.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The default com port is 4. Usually most GPS application should be able to detect it automatically.
NLS said:
TP GPS always uses COM4 and any baud (I've tried 4800 to 115200).
Your post is not a "thread" yet and I doubt it will be.
Just search the other threads.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry, I thought I did start a new thread, and I have searched - that's how I know about other people's GPS issues. But I haven't seen anyone else with the same problem as me yet.
I get nothing on COM4 at any baud rate.
TomTom says 'NO GPS Device'
HTC GPS Tool says "Failed to send NMEA command..." on COM4 (at all baud rates).
Google maps - when set to "Managed by Windows" just says Searching(0) and gives up after about 5 minutes.
When Google Maps is manually set to COM4 it says "Initialising.." in the top right corner then hangs, and then refuses to reload until I do a soft reset.
Is this what's supposed to happen?
No it's not.
You could have a hardware problem.
I had that issue after uninstalling google navigator 4 trial.Hard reset helped.
Also check Start > Settings > System > External GPS and make sure the Program Port is set to COM4, Hardware should be Port None and Baud at 4800 and Access tab should be checked to Manage GPS Automatically.
I have the "dreaded GPS lag" issue. I don't have this issue but I have found that my GPS is best with the Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25. I still have to wait sometimes upwards of 3 minutes for a lock sometimes when the sky is cloudy but it seems to work pretty well.
I suggest you try the following
1. Flash to the radio I mentioned above.
2. Go to Start/Settings/System/AGPS Settings
On the General tab, uncheck "Enable AGPS
On the privacy tab, select the following options:
1. Enable AGPS location information to network services. Operator can get your location information.
2. When send location info. to network services: Send postion info directly
3. Close confirmation message after: 10 second
3. Go to Start/Settings/System/External GPS and make the following changes:
On Programs tab: set GPS program port to: COM4
On Hardware tab: set GPS hardware port to: (None)
On Hardware tab: set Baud rate to: 4800
On access tab: check: Manage GPS Automatically (recommended)
4. Follow the instructions posted by omega01 here:
omega01 said:
A lot of people have problems with the TouchPro GPS especially for pedestrian use...
From stock the TP GPS is quite unsable in car especially with TomTom 7 and totally unusable for pedestrian use.
After 2 weeks of reading and testing tweaks, here are the results of my tests and the applied tweaks to enhance the GPS performance
A. With Advanced config 3.2 http://www.touchxperience.com/fr/ou...ads/9-advanced-configuration-tool-32-cab.html
1. disable A-GPS
2. disable GPS logging
3. logfile name must be empty
4. old logfile name must be empty
5. maximum size of logfile must be 0
6 delete the files : \windows\GPSLogFile.txt and \windows\GPSLogFileBack.txt
7. it seems that if TomTom is installed on a fast microSD decrease the lag(have to test to be sure)
With those changes car usage will be quite perfect
B. Then edit registry with TotalCommander http://ghisler.fileburst.com/ce/tcmdpocketarm.cab
Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\
- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, you have to create it)
Tests to be done with buffers at 256...seems to be a little better
Tests to be done with other PollInterval value...seems to "drain" battery
With those tweaks pedestrian usage will be much better but not perfect...I explain.
You have to walk for a least 250m in order to have a reposition with mouvement on the map (before that, speed is always 0km/h) and then if you continue to walk there is quite no lag...and the speed reflect reality
...BUT if you stops you have to walk again for a least 250m in order to have a reposition with mouvement on the map and then if you continue to walk there is quite no lag...
Very strange indeed...
I hope this will help people...please test and feedback.
PS : tests were done with
TomTom_Navigator_7.450.9028_R3_VGA_black_edition
GoogleMaps 2.2.0.16 -- http://www.google.be/gmm/GoogleMaps.CAB
GPSTuner 5.4 -- http://www.gpstuner.com/download/GPSTuner_v5.CAB
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If that doesn't help you get a better, if not good, lock with your Touch PRO then you have to have some kinda of hardware problem.
I have an HTC Fuze from USA AT&T activated on T-Mobile USA and I don't even have access to T-Mobile's AGPS Servers and my GPS locks are usually relatively quick.
Good luck!
Dan
dharvey4651 said:
I have the "dreaded GPS lag" issue. I don't have this issue but I have found that my GPS is best with the Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25. I still have to wait sometimes upwards of 3 minutes for a lock sometimes when the sky is cloudy but it seems to work pretty well.
I suggest you try the following
1. Flash to the radio I mentioned above.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've been using .25.25 radio for the last week, changed to 1.09.25.35 today, but no improvement.
dharvey4651 said:
2. Go to Start/Settings/System/AGPS Settings
On the General tab, uncheck "Enable AGPS
On the privacy tab, select the following options:
1. Enable AGPS location information to network services. Operator can get your location information.
2. When send location info. to network services: Send postion info directly
3. Close confirmation message after: 10 second
3. Go to Start/Settings/System/External GPS and make the following changes:
On Programs tab: set GPS program port to: COM4
On Hardware tab: set GPS hardware port to: (None)
On Hardware tab: set Baud rate to: 4800
On access tab: check: Manage GPS Automatically (recommended)
4. Follow the instructions posted by omega01 here:
If that doesn't help you get a better, if not good, lock with your Touch PRO then you have to have some kinda of hardware problem.
I have an HTC Fuze from USA AT&T activated on T-Mobile USA and I don't even have access to T-Mobile's AGPS Servers and my GPS locks are usually relatively quick.
Good luck!
Dan
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Rechecked all my settings, but they were all already as above. Still no joy. Only other possibility is that it's being crippled by the ROM I'm using - stock 1.90.206.4 WWE O2 UK variant, although no one else seems to be having the same problem. I am trying to avoid reflashing the main ROM, as it would take hours to get all my programs and settings back to how I want them. Maybe when the 2.0 firmware is released...
I guess it could be a hardware fault, but it seems a bit of a long shot. I really don't fancy my chances of trying to convince o2 that it's a hardware fault.
Try this...
1. Install and configure SecondToday to the left soft-key
2. Install HTC Home Plugin for VGA
3. Install GPSToday plugin and configure it to 5 minute manual-on
4. Go to Start/Settings/Personal/Today and disable all but TouchFlo 3D
5. On your new SecondToday, enable HTC Home and GPSToday
6. On HTC Home's Programs Tab, add your favorite GPS program(TomTom, Garmin, Google Maps, Etc...)
7. Start GPSToday by clicking on the little red box on the far left. It may take about 2 minutes on the first try(it's this way after every soft-reset) but after that it should be much faster. As soon as you are locked on to 4 or more satelites start your favorite GPS program that you added to the programs tab of HTC home.
If it works like it did for me, you should be set. I now get GPS locks in less than 10 seconds every "second time" since it takes about 2 mins after each soft-reset.
You can download all the files I mentioned above here:
http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Vogue/Users/dharvey/CABS/CAB FILES.rar
Good luck!!
mike-b said:
Maybe when the 2.0 firmware is released...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
IF you mean, not when
dharvey4651 said:
Try this...
1. Install and configure SecondToday to the left soft-key
2. Install HTC Home Plugin for VGA
3. Install GPSToday plugin and configure it to 5 minute manual-on
4. Go to Start/Settings/Personal/Today and disable all but TouchFlo 3D
5. On your new SecondToday, enable HTC Home and GPSToday
6. On HTC Home's Programs Tab, add your favorite GPS program(TomTom, Garmin, Google Maps, Etc...)
7. Start GPSToday by clicking on the little red box on the far left. It may take about 2 minutes on the first try(it's this way after every soft-reset) but after that it should be much faster. As soon as you are locked on to 4 or more satelites start your favorite GPS program that you added to the programs tab of HTC home.
If it works like it did for me, you should be set. I now get GPS locks in less than 10 seconds every "second time" since it takes about 2 mins after each soft-reset.
You can download all the files I mentioned above here:
http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Vogue/Users/dharvey/CABS/CAB FILES.rar
Good luck!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for that. I've given it a try and it doesn't get a lock or even see a single satellite for me. I assume the number in the green box that appears next to the satellite symbol is the number of satellites it can see? It never changes from 0 anyway.
I've never seen a single satellite with the onboard GPS, nevermind gotten a position locked. Beginning to think it's a hardware fault, or my phone got missed when they were putting the GPS in! Convincing O2 that there's a fault will be one thing, then I'll have to flash it back to stock, including the stock bootloader before I send it in.
NLS said:
IF you mean, not when
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's why I put a string of dots on the end ot it...
Don't you think it's imminent, why would they release it for diamond and not touch pro?
I had the same problem for about 2 months, could never get a signal. It was solved when I changed ROM's. I actually tried like 7 ROM's and GPS didn't work in 6 of them. Once I tried RSW's ROM with updated GPS Drivers,,, I am able to always get a GPS signal now.
I do use 2 programs though.
1. QuickGPS to download GPS data.
2. Chartcross GPS Test to open my GPS Port.
Then I open up any GPS program and they all work. (Google Maps, Live Search, iGuidance)
COM Port should be COM4 obviously. When I've used a few GPS programs that "scanned" my phone, they all set the baud rate to 9600. You can't change the baud rate in Settings, but if you have to manually set your baud rate in your program, set it to 9600.
GPS reception significantly affected by case.
Just a FYI. I was a Fuze owner with significant problems with GPS. Could not get it to connect to anything for anything with anything. After trying everything I found on the forum I followed the instructions on this thread ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473481&highlight=lock. and got a lock in under ten minutes. Put my phone back in the case and could no longer get a lock. It then dawned on me that my aluminum case was interfering with the gps chip. Did a bunch of tests which confirmed the reception improved drastically outside the case. It doesn't seem to influence the radio reception however which I find a bit strange. Anyway. My gps works reasonably well and I think people will benefit from knowing something as simple as the choice of case could have something to do with their gps reception.
I am currently following a few websites to keep my news upto date with my ATT fuze. I have tried just about every single possible solution to get my GPS to work. Disabled aGPS, tried GPSTest, flashed various ROMs, tried various GPS programs, change poll interval to 500 ms, etc, etc.
I have owned this phone for 4 months now and I have yet to get a satellite lock to work. The closest I ever got was GPTtest running showing 6-7 different satellites in view, trying to connect to about 3 of them. I left that running for nearly 2 hours, and no luck. Whats the deal?
Please do not tell me to use the search function because I have searched XDA as well as google, and they all end up in the same place of speculation on why the GPS might not be working, but none of the said methods actually make it work.
It works man. I ran 6.5 beta with Google Maps installed. Took me to a location I've never been to and back.
xgm541, before using AGPS, do you have the right gprs settings for your phone? Have you confirmed that your gprs works?
Anyway, for the gps, read up on my thread about me finding an alternative way to get a better fix.
HERE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3514443#post3514443
Also, make sure you flash your radio if possible. Read up on the radio thread and i am sure other ATT users have posted the performance of GPS based on the Radio.
I am not an ATT user, as i am from Malaysia. So i am unable to help you on the AGPS part.
I second arvin's suggestion on flashing a radio. If you're in the US, I highly recommend 1.12.25.19, I have AGPS and GPS logging disabled, use GPS Test and always get a cold fix in less than a minute outdoors.
yeah ive got no issues with it, used it last weekend in the car and worked perfectly.
GPS definitely works. Flash the latest leaked AT&T rom, and just try it out. Don't flash cooked ROMs but the stock leaked ROM. If GPS doesn't work in that ROM then something is wrong with your particular phone. I'm in California and I get locks in under 7 seconds, and I'm using wm 6.5
GPS is about all that im unhappy with, on my fuze.
It does work, i placed a 3 stage multicache using only my fuze with googlemaps/GCz last week and everyone whos found the cache say my coords. were almost dead on. (coords were an average of around 20 readings at each site)
My trick (doesnt work fast but it works) is to turn on gmaps let it sit there for
1 min while it gets a lock, then switch to my gps (geocache) program and i have nps. I cannot get any other programs to lock or hold the gps without first running the googlemaps program. And everyonce inwhile as soon as i turn it on ill lock up 10 birds. Doesnt make much sense, and i too have played with all i could find (agps,baud,comport, windows settings etc)
good luck
I am using the standard HTC-ROM. All of these settings have been extensively tested in Europe the Netherlands. These are really the optimal, after testing many buffersizes, pollintervals etc. The most crucial one is PollInterval and SleepOnNodata needs to be equal or larger than PollInterval. Disabling or enabling windows GPS logging does not matter, as it is only used for debugging according to MSDN. If you start using AGPS (I Don't!) then make sure all settings are correct to download the info from your provider (mine does not support this and thus it is turned off in these settings).
0) Assuming that the hardware is still OK do the following:
1) Go to settings > System > external GPS.
Check if all options are still normal.
Program port is COM4.
Hardware port : none.
Baudrate : 4800.
Access: Check automated GPS control.
NOTE that an external connected GPS (e.g. Bluetooth device) unit will have a baudrate of 4800. The internal which resides at Com4 has a standard baudrate of 57600. These settings need to be checked to make sure they are still this way and it will also give Windows automated control of the GPS system.
2) You need to install Advanced Config 3.3.
http://www.touchxperience.com/fr/out…ol-32-cab.html
With Advanced config 3.3 under GPS:
1. disable A-GPS
2. disable GPS logging
3. logfile name must be empty
4. old logfile name must be empty
5. maximum size of logfile must be 0
6 delete the files : \windows\GPSLogFile.txt and \windows\GPSLogFileBack.txt
After these settings the tool will soft-reset your mobile.
3) Then edit registry with TotalCommander
http://ghisler.fileburst.com/ce/tcmdpocketarm.cab
Don't make any errors here, check your steps carefully.
Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\
- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, you have to create it, make a Dword value)
After these settings are in place, restart / soft reset your device.
4) Run the program QuickGPSfix and download the new data.
This step needs to be repeated anytime it is outdated.
5) Download and install the HTC GPS Tool.
http://rapidshare.com/files/84815853...C_GPS_TOOL.cab
Upon starting it should show COM4 and a Baudrate of 57600.
Go outside the house, preferably with good weather.
Hit the "Open"
Hit the "Nav. Int."
Leave all as is, no need to change the options.
You should now start to see the GPS data flow over your screen in the grey area. Wait patiently, the first fix can take up to 10 minutes (afterwards it wil go faster). If it fails it sometimes seems to help to move around a little bit and to reboot your device if it takes way to long (+10 mins).
See if you have any red bars below the satellite numbers (signal strength per satellite) When you get a fix, the bars and satellites to which it is connected will show up green. If there are no red bars here, no data flow etc then there is something wrong with the ROM / radio combination and your phone.
Close this program if you have a fix.
6) Start-up Google maps. Wait for it to download the basic map information, so you don't have any interference from the "now downloading data" message. Then start the GPS use. Fix should now go fast. Once it has a fix you can start moving towards your destiny.
From now on use HTC GPS tool to get a fix.
Close this program, start the program with which you want to use GPS.
Good luck, Jouke.
GPS works good enough.
I definitely suggest radio 1.11 or later.
Of course best to get the whole 5.05 ROM.
Work great! To nearly perfect location!
I'm using the ATT test ROM and google maps with street view.
Works better than any phone I've ever owned when the test ROM or a derivative is running the show. Matching radio must be used. I've tested the Ralphael 1.12.25.19 (shipped with test ROM) and the Blackstone 1.13.25.24 so far.
Messed around a bit more and got instant 10 sats after changing to
baud rate of 9600 on com4... i guess the windows management of the gps is most of the problem (?).
I had the same exact problem as you. I couldn't get a lock no matter what I tried, I was thinking of going back to the Kaiser. I then decided to change my radio from the .32 to the 1.12, left GPS Test running for about 30 minutes, still no lock.
I was standing on the balcony of my apartment....
Then..... when I got into my car I tried again and I got a lock in under 30 seconds..
Not to insult your intelligence by any means. BUT, are you outside in the open?? Because once you have set those settings that everyone here has asked you to do. It should work.
Here is what I did.
Change the stock radio. I believe this to be the main culprit. 1.12 works good. then set your standard GPS settings to Baud 96**** and to COM 4. Run GPS test in the open, outside.
It should work. I sometimes mess around with the AGPS settings. I mainly leave it off because I honestly have no idea what it is.
I get a lock in under 1 - 2 minutes every time. However, I am having a problem with the speed of the GPS. I use TomTom 6 and sometimes my triangle cursor wiggles oscillating from left to right. I don't know why. and also sometimes it is delayed.
I have yet to find a fix for this, I would be glad if someone can please help. I'm not sure if this is a video problem or a GPS problem.
Worked Both Ways
I've had my Fuze since just before ATT released them, and the GPS worked fine for me, once I could get a signal, obviously a big issue. I followed all of the GPSidfix cab etc and they helped, had to load GPS Test to prime, once it got a full lock and said running I could use Google, TomTom 6 or Livesearch and get instant locks.
I don't flash ROMs, but finally broke down and put the ATT Leaked Rom on my Fuze, and bammmmmm. GPS is almost instant in every single one of those applications, we're talking 2 or 3 seconds when I'm outside. I get locks in my house when I'm by the windows as well.
I haven't driven today, so I can't speak to lag etc or other issues, but once I knew the lag it never bothered me that much. Overall, the new ATT Leaked ROM has been awesome for GPS.
i never changed my radio, am using the stock radio on a fuze bought 1 1/2 months ago, i disabled agps and am using com4 baud 9600 super fast gps now.
GPS Position Lag w/ internal (built-in) GPS receiver
freekquency said:
i never changed my radio, am using the stock radio on a fuze bought 1 1/2 months ago, i disabled agps and am using com4 baud 9600 super fast gps now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can second or third... that.
Firstly, I don't mean to invalidate any previous comments, posts or fixes, or insult anyone's intelligence. I just merely report my VERY UNSCIENTIFIC findings.
I've had my ATT Fuze (HTC Touch Pro) for about 3 months now, and I've tested various GPS apps in the quest of finding out whether the hardware is the one to blame for the GPS POSITION LAG. I'd like to share my personal findings so that it may help others.
The ONLY GPS application that I can say that come very close to NOT having GPS POSITION LAG is Mobile Navigator 7.3.1 (build 137). On top of that, this version of Mobile Navigator is the only one so far to be ALMOST right on when the destination is reached. Other applications that I've tried always show the destination is 2 or 3 houses down the street.
The following applications I've tested all have position lag: one previous version of MN7, IGo8, TomTom 7, iGuidance, Garmin XT, and NDrive.
Did I use the registry tweak as suggested in previous post and did it resolve the lag?
Yes, I did try the tweak. But personally, I don't think it solved the problem.
Did I change to different ROM or Radio?
No. Everything on the phone is stock ATT Fuze.
So, is the hardware or HTC the one to blame for the lag?
Sorry! YOU have to come to the conclusion on this one.
I have a related problem, with the GPS device freezing (?) at high speed. I drove recently in Germany, and up to 120km/h my navigator (HTC-TP + Destinator 7) worked fine. When I drove faster it just stopped tracking, and resumed when I slowed down below 120km/h resumed.
Anyone experienced that or has an idea how to fix it?
Kepela523 said:
I had the same exact problem as you. I couldn't get a lock no matter what I tried, I was thinking of going back to the Kaiser. I then decided to change my radio from the .32 to the 1.12, left GPS Test running for about 30 minutes, still no lock.
I was standing on the balcony of my apartment....
Then..... when I got into my car I tried again and I got a lock in under 30 seconds..
Not to insult your intelligence by any means. BUT, are you outside in the open?? Because once you have set those settings that everyone here has asked you to do. It should work.
Here is what I did.
Change the stock radio. I believe this to be the main culprit. 1.12 works good. then set your standard GPS settings to Baud 96**** and to COM 4. Run GPS test in the open, outside.
It should work. I sometimes mess around with the AGPS settings. I mainly leave it off because I honestly have no idea what it is.
I get a lock in under 1 - 2 minutes every time. However, I am having a problem with the speed of the GPS. I use TomTom 6 and sometimes my triangle cursor wiggles oscillating from left to right. I don't know why. and also sometimes it is delayed.
I have yet to find a fix for this, I would be glad if someone can please help. I'm not sure if this is a video problem or a GPS problem.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
TomTom7 also isnt working perfectly for me. It seems to be about 3-5 seconds too slow. It shows me at the street after I have already passed it. I made the registry setting changes that were posted earlier and will test the lag this afternoon ( it may be the Polling Interval being set to 1000 vs 100 i hope. I will report back to say if it has helped
Ok, I've moved from a Touch Pro to a ex-AT&T Fuze so that I could get 850Mhz band I needed on Telstra (Australia). It's all working awesomely thanks to the guys help here and after a diversion where I had to get my SIM card holder replaced.
Now the remaining glitch is that the GPS is totally unusable Which is a show stopper since I use it a lot. I had it in the car for a 2 hour drive, and it only found one or two satellites the whole time, and they were not strong enough to get a lock. Most of the time it showed zero. Sometimes I eventually get a lock, but it doesn't last.
By comparison the Touch Pro has no problem getting and keeping a GPS lock under the same circumstances (with the two units side by side). They are both running Tael's ROM and the same version of Tomtom. Google Maps has the same issues.
Two possibilities I can think of are:
1) The Fuze has a bad radio ROM and upgrading/downgrading might help
2) When the phone repair place replaced the SIM holder, they didn't connect the GPS aerial correctly - so I'll need to take it back
For #1, I'm a bit doubtful as it is reporting v1.14.25.35, protocol 52.64c.25.35U and this thread seems to rate the GPS reception as one of the best. Also can I put any Raphael radio ROM on the Fuze? Or do I need to find an 850Mhz AT&T one?
#2 is going to be awkward as I'll have to convince them they have done something wrong and get them to repair it free of charge. Can anyone tell me how likely this is? Has anyone pulled one of these units apart? Is the GPS aerial something that they may have just not plugged in?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated. (I'd be over the moon if there was a simple software fix. Anything else I should check? (I have updated QuickGPS with the latest data etc).
Thanks in advance!
I'd say run GPS Test while standing still and wait for a lock - I'm not sure what conditions you've tested in, but I've had experiences in the past with the Fuze (and a magellan) that if you were driving, the thing would take forever to get a lock if you didn't get a lock before moving.
Also; I'm running 1.14.25.05 - I ran .35 for a while, but reverted because NRG uses the .05 rilphone.dll; you could try that....
Thanks for the reply, but I've tried it standing still. Very occasionally I can get a lock, but it takes about 30 minutes, and doesn't seem to matter if I am moving or not. My Touch Pro is running a really old radio (10.x from memory) and it can lock and hold the satellites fine.
Has anyone pulled one of these things apart and can tell me what could be a hardware issue? Is the GPS aerial something which needs to be plugged into the mainboard for example?
Does your quick gps have the correct regional setting? Check HKLM/Software/HTC/QuickGPS. There is a value for region-I'm not sure if it updates automatically or not for your location. All I know is that my fuze's GPS sucked donkey balls in the UK. Normally, it just sucks French Poodle balls. I don't use A-GPS, so that wasn't the issue.
Hmm...ok. I had assumed that A-GPS was the technology, and QuickGPS was HTCs implementation. Are they different things?
Anyway, both the Fuze and the Touch Pro are running exactly the same ROMs (Tael's latest) with the same QuickGPS software and identical registry settings (but different Radio ROMs).
I just did a refresh of the QuickGPS data and put them side by side on my balcony for about 10 mins. Ran Tomtom with the GPS diag screen. Not a great view of the cloudy sky, but...
Touch Pro:
Shows a number of satellites, and finds reception from 3 or 4. The dots move around the compass a bit. Not as many detected initially (grey dots down the bottom of the screen is only about 10). Still can get a signal from one satellite sitting inside on my couch.
Fuze:
Full bottom row of grey dots, but didn't get any signal from a single satellite the whole time. Nothing. Also, the positions of the satellites on the compass seem to be in different places than the Touch Pro.
Re the region settings... the registry on both devices doesn't have this entry. There is a curRegion=dword:00000000, but no region at all. I'm wondering why this would be needed since the Touch Pro doesn't have it either and seems to work, but suggestions are welcome.
I notice there is no Services key either, like I found in some other posts. eg:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\QuickGPS]
"Keep"=dword:00000001
"Index"=dword:00000000
"Order"=dword:000000FF
"DisplayName"="QuickGPS app service"
"Description"="dll for icon in TodayScreen"
"Context"=dword:00000000
"Dll"="GPSAux.dll"
"Prefix"="GUX"
Again, the Touch Pro is working fine without this, but is this still needed in modern ROMs?
Still wondering if this is a hardware problem. Can anyone tell me how likely it is that the phone repair guys forgot to plug an aerial in or something?
Also, is there any better GPS diag software or is Tomtom the best bet?
Thanks.
A-GPS and QuickGPS are unrelated. A-GPS uses cell towers to help get a fix. If you've got the same roms on each device, I'd guess they're working the same. I think the gpsaux.dll service just warns you when the data expires, but I'm not 100% sure of that.
Try different radios; that's all I can suggest. The GPS on my fuze pretty much blows, so you're not alone.
Ok...how do I turn AGPS on again then?
By "pretty much blows" I assume you don't mean you can drive on an open freeway for 2 hours with clear skys and only faintly see one satellite the whole time do you?
I was kinda happy with the GPS on the Touch Pro even though it would sometimes take until the end of my street to get a lock.
Wonder if I should do a hard reset before taking it back to the repair shop... sigh.
You can turn A-GPS on with advanced config, and also enable logging, which will tell you if it's working or not. These are the keys for logging (I don't use it, so mine are blank).
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver]
"MaxLogFileSize"=dword:00000000
"OldLogFile"=""
"CurrentLogFile"=""
I think that A-GPS is HKLM\software\HTC\SUPL-AGPS\enabled=1, or something like that.
I used to get pretty good cold locks, like in less than 2 min reliably, but now it seems to take forever, as much as 30 min. It seems like my gps has gotten worse over time. Once it's locked, it works fine, though.
Ah yep - thanks. Advanced Config says "Assisted GPS = Yes". It's logging, but for some reason I can never open the log file (error, cannot be opened). The backup log file opens, but I'm not sure how to read it. About 4 lines with seemingly random text and lots of commas...
Ok, this is still not working...
I took it back to the repair place, who opened it up, did a visual inspection and told me there was nothing wrong with the hardware. They said it is a software problem (which it may be, but faaarked if I can work out what)
I have downloaded the HTC GPS Tool. I don't exactly know what the log data that it shows is, but I'm guessing since it seems to connect ok to COM4 that it is finding the GPS chip in my phone, just not getting anything useful as far as a signal goes.
Does anyone know how to read the logging data from this tool? I'm guessing that just because it is receiving data doesn't mean that it can see any satellites (since it performs just as well indoors)
Next I tried loading 'Raphael Radio 1.08.25.20M1' and the relevant Rilphone cab - when I read up about Rilphone cabs I started to wonder if that was the source of the problem, since I assume TEAL's ROM doesn't include the specific version for my radio. No luck though.
Next I put on the latest TEAL ROM, mainly just to set everything back to defaults in case I had screwed anything up. Updated the QuickGPS and then spent ages standing on the side of the road with my fingers crossed...
Nothing. Not a single satellite signal.
Any suggestions? Otherwise I'm going to have to buy a new phone. Should I keep trying different radio ROMs? Is there any way to check the hardware is actually ok?
I don't know if the microsoft gpsid.dll is included in the rom or not, but you could try switching from using the HTC intermediate driver (gpsidhtc.dll) to it. I've been using the gpsid.dll for a few weeks, and it's not worse, but may be better than the HTC one (tough to say, really).
These are the reg keys for gpsid.dll:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"Dll"="GPSID.dll"
"Order"=dword:10
"Keep"=dword:1
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Index"=dword:0
"Context"=dword:0
"Flags"=dword:2
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
"Dll"="GPSID.dll"
"Keep"=dword:1
"Flags"=dword:2
"Context"=dword:12344160
Here are the ones for the HTC driver:
Code:
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"Dll"="GPSID_HTC.dll"
"Order"=dword:100
"Keep"=dword:1
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Index"=dword:0
"Context"=dword:0
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
If you try it, do a full backup beforehand. I had trouble trying to get the HTC driver reloaded once. You may need a hard reset/restore.