I am not sure if this has been discussed before but searching didn't help much as I am not sure what keyword to use.
I have a Fuze (Touch Pro) without the data service and would like the phone to periodically get the mails over WiFi. I am posting it here assuming this would apply to all WinMo devices. If not, please enlighten me.
In default settings, the phone disconnects WiFi as soon as it goes to sleep. I used Advanced Config to enable WiFi even in sleep, but now it stays connected all the time even though Pocket Outlook is configured to run every 15 minutes. For last several months it has been working this way but it drains the battery very quickly unlike my iPhone, which lasts the more than a day because it connects only to check mails when inactive.
I know with 3G service I don't have worry about it but wondering if there is any utility or setting in registry that would connect periodically for a minute or two so that PO can check for new messages.
Thanks.
How to update at intervals
generally there is an option in the email program you are using. check these options
powersupplyzzzz said:
generally there is an option in the email program you are using. check these options
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Thanks powersupplyzzzz. The interval is already configured in ActiveSync/Pocket Outlook, but it doesn't connect to the WiFi unless it's already connected. Does it work for others? I mean does it connect to WiFi automatically when ActiveSync is ready to sync?
Wondering if I posted in the wrong forum or I am asking for something not possible on WM at the moment ...
rexian said:
Thanks powersupplyzzzz. The interval is already configured in ActiveSync/Pocket Outlook, but it doesn't connect to the WiFi unless it's already connected. Does it work for others? I mean does it connect to WiFi automatically when ActiveSync is ready to sync?
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AFAIK what you are asking is not possible, unless you ask someone to write you a script or there is an app that does this, but i havent come across one.
Thanks timmymarsh, this is what I was afraid of. I guess the old iPhone still has some use for this advantage.
rexian said:
Thanks timmymarsh, this is what I was afraid of. I guess the old iPhone still has some use for this advantage.
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What you need is a car battery that you can strap to your back which will boost your battery when required
I'll have a fish around for a real solution.
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I used an iphone for some days. I've ever used nokia phones. Each day I use a blackberry. All devices seems to use internet connection better than Android, using that only when needed and starting/stopping it automatically.
What I don't like about Android is that you can't set device to enable internet connection only when needed. What I understood is that if you like to sync mails every 5 minutes, for example, you have to take internet connection always on.
I don't like this because mainly it's battery consuming.
Is there any way to set Android (I've a Desire but I think it could be the same for each device) to automatically turns on internet connection just before syncing an app and turns off just when finished?
i agree... any hints and helps here? my experience in winmo is much better as it connects only on need.
especially now my Galaxy S battery life is so short
this app might help.
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this app might help.
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Yes, thank you.
I already tried it but if I configured it right it manages only sync operations and no internet connection. So internet connection must be taken ON (on the screen you continue to see arrows) and it stop only sync traffic.
Right?
I mean to stop internet connection at all and enable it only at a specific frequency (so on the screen arrows should appear and disappear when needed). Is it possible?
Having decided against moving to Win Mobile 7 I got a Sensation a couple of weeks ago (from a HD2) and hence my first Android device.
All is going well apart from the data connection. On Win Mob 6.5 I had 5 business emails which the phone checked every 15-30 minutes. The phone would connect, check the emails and then disconnect. If I wanted to browse then when I opened the browser, it connected and disconnected when I closed it.
On the Sensation I seem only to have the option of data connection on or off. I have set the email to sync every 30 minutes but I have to have the data connection on all the time to let it do this. The battery drain is crippling.
I download Juice Defender Ultimate after reading another thread but after setting it up it only allows data for so many minutes in the hour and when I say that the browser should overide Juice it just says I have no connection.
I love Android but losing 75% of your battery in 6 hours because of business emails is not quite good enough.
So is there a way of getting the data connection to go on and off as required (both on demand and for scheduled automatic email syncs)?
And if not what Juice defender settings do I need to get it to do what I want?
Any help much appreciated.
I'm looking for an answer to this to, for the exact same reason. A "Data Connection Timeout" setting or something similar.
Switch to pushmail, saves you quite some data transfers and is more effective in the end. I have two hotmail addresses plus oen gmail on pushmail and I don't notice any more battery drain with data connection permanently on.
Settings>Mobile Networks>untick "Enable always-on mobile data.
This usually helps the battery drain a lot, especially if you don't have things that are always using data, like pandora and the like. If you have things set to specific intervals, then it should work like your WinMo devices and connect then disconnect as needed.
Admittedly the droid likes to be more automated than WinMo, and you have much less control than 6.5. (Never used Phone7, so I can't comment on that.) But, once you learn the tricks to using it (just like the tricks to 6.5) its just as powerful as WinMo was for the business geared user, as far as I can tell. The battery is something that takes some finessing as well, so keep working with it and keep learning. There are some pretty good guides available that can tell you steps to take, even a few here on XDA for the searching.
Good luck with your new droid device, it will become second nature in time. It took me a month to quit tapping the icons in the task bar. LOL.
Thanks for the replies
I think the fact that the HD2 and the Sensation both use Sense helps and therefore it has been fairly easy to get to grips with Android.
I have already unchecked the 'always on' option but I never seem to get any emails unless I open the email program up...even when its running in the background. Win Mobile 6.5 used to check without the email being open.
I have had another play with JD and seem to have sort of got what I want but sometimes the data connection won't wake up after the unlock screen without a data toggle on and off.
Is there any better email apps from the market?
I have already unchecked the 'always on' option but I never seem to get any emails unless I open the email program up...even when its running in the background. Win Mobile 6.5 used to check without the email being open.
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Strange because when I do that I get a lot better battery life and my push Gmail arrives in 2-3 minutes instead of isntantly. also Google Talk won't stay connected with this setting. Other than that it seems to work really well for me doing exactly what you want.
Hi i'm on WIFI, dont have have data package. The integrated messenger just signs out from time to time....
Its connected to WIFI at all times....when i check the status of my live msessenger/facebook account from a friends pc...it says offline.....i've open the phone goto ME tile>> and under status choose available again...
this is driving me nuts....Kik messenger works flawlessly.... but integrated messenger with live/facebook signsout.........
i tried a soft reset but the problem persists....anybody else having the same probs?
i'm on Mango RTM on samsung focus v1.3
Wifi connection drops when the screen locks, and then re-connects when you unlock.
Maybe this could be the issue? Only 3G data connection is able to run under the lockscreen.
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Wifi connection drops when the screen locks, and then re-connects when you unlock.
Maybe this could be the issue? Only 3G data connection is able to run under the lockscreen.
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Thanks that explains it, i hope they change this.....i understand they are doing this to save battery but my iphone doesnt do that and still has an amazing battery life.
Perhaps windows phone should ONLY drop the wifi connection IF the person has chosen the "battery saver option"....otherwise let it be....
If you put it on the charger WIFI won't drop.
Otherwise I have the same problem as you.
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Thanks that explains it, i hope they change this.....i understand they are doing this to save battery but my iphone doesnt do that and still has an amazing battery life.
Perhaps windows phone should ONLY drop the wifi connection IF the person has chosen the "battery saver option"....otherwise let it be....
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Actually, iPhone does dropped WiFi when it's locks.
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Actually, iPhone does dropped WiFi when it's locks.
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No it doesnt, my iphone at home lies locked but i still get message/email notifications as usuall....
with wp7 its weird....wish someone could find a registry hack....cause with the current microsoft update schedule i doubt we'll see this fixed anytime soon....
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No it doesnt, my iphone at home lies locked but i still get message/email notifications as usuall....
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This is correct. Persistent wifi connection was a new feature added to iOS4 :
http://www.tipb.com/2010/06/14/ios-4-feature-ipod-touch-wifi-stays-connected-asleep-iphone/
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with wp7 its weird....wish someone could find a registry hack....cause with the current microsoft update schedule i doubt we'll see this fixed anytime soon....
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If it were that simple, I have a feeling MS would have implemented it. Apple only added it last year, and for Android, you need to root your phone to enable persistent wifi, so guess it's more complex; probably a real battery killer?
Hopefully addressed in the future; it is a pretty huge issue!
I have a quick question which is a bit off topic.
With the integrated MSN client in Mango.
How often does it check for new messages? How does the checking for messages work?
Thanks
PsyCLown89 said:
I have a quick question which is a bit off topic.
With the integrated MSN client in Mango.
How often does it check for new messages? How does the checking for messages work?
Thanks
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it's push, as soon as someone sends an im, it pops up like a sms
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No it doesnt, my iphone at home lies locked but i still get message/email notifications as usuall....
with wp7 its weird....wish someone could find a registry hack....cause with the current microsoft update schedule i doubt we'll see this fixed anytime soon....
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iOS drops wifi at sleep+300 seconds, then "wakes" in background every 300 seconds to prompt/receive push updates.
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I have a quick question which is a bit off topic.
With the integrated MSN client in Mango.
How often does it check for new messages? How does the checking for messages work?
Thanks
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It's push, your phone establishes a "permanent" connection to a centralized server. Server receives messages, notifications, alerts, and forwards them to your phone via "permanent" link. At sleep, push turns into fetch.
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iOS drops wifi at sleep+300 seconds, then "wakes" in background every 300 seconds to prompt/receive push updates.
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That's interesting, thanks.
Unsure why WP7 doesn't do this. When I first got the phone and set my email to poll every 15 minutes, I expected the wifi to wake up under the lock screen every 15mins and check for new messages. Or at least do a new poll as soon as I unlock and the wifi wakes up?
Instead when you unlock the phone, it checks email 15 mins later - so you end up having to check your email manually. Quite annoying.
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It's push, your phone establishes a "permanent" connection to a centralized server. Server receives messages, notifications, alerts, and forwards them to your phone via "permanent" link. At sleep, push turns into fetch.
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ok, I see. So how does fetch work and what if you walk into an area where you completely lose signal and are using your cellular data connection for msn, then 5 seconds or so later you walk back into a normal fine area with signal. BUT as you lost signal someone sent you a message and/or you sent a message. You obviously won't get it with no signal, will it resend it or something?
Fetch is when your phone retrieves all it can on a regular basis i.e: every 15 minutes. If you walk into a dead spot, your phone'll resume when signal is regained.
Push = permanent link
Fetch = scheduled "grab"
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Awesome, exactly what I wanted to know.
Thanks!
its a microsoft OS, they developed the direct push tech & active sync...they've been in market far longer (first with windows mobile - yrs of experience developing that)....than google/apple..........
yet its apple who has nailed it with keeping wifi alive even at screen lock without sacrificing battery life.......
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Awesome, exactly what I wanted to know.
Thanks!
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One wired thing, when i'm listining to TunIn Radio, over wifi (Data connection = Off), it continus streaming when i turn off the screen. Maybe they found a workaround.
In pre-mango WP7 phones the WiFi would automatically turn off if your phone was on battery and screen was off. Is this stupid feature still present in Mango or can we make WiFi run ALL THE TIME on battery power?
Yes, it is. But it reconnect looooot faster.
Wow thank God I actually remembered to ask this before wasting money on a WP7. I don't care how fast it reconnects when it wont be connected in standby. Which means I wont be notified of emails, IMs, social network updates etc etc. Brilliant decision MS.
I think you're missing the point, it recconects every so often in standby to download messages/emails/notifications etc it just doesn't stay constantly on.
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Wow thank God I actually remembered to ask this before wasting money on a WP7. I don't care how fast it reconnects when it wont be connected in standby. Which means I wont be notified of emails, IMs, social network updates etc etc. Brilliant decision MS.
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Don't know if this is a troll or just a lack of understanding.
You can determine in the options how often you want to to check your various email accounts. For example, one of my accounts I only need checked every hour, while another one I have check ever 15 minutes.
Social network updates are pushed to the phone in real time. I just got a FB notification and the comment had only happened 30 seconds prior.
IM works real time like text.
MS knows what they're doing.
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In pre-mango WP7 phones the WiFi would automatically turn off if your phone was on battery and screen was off. Is this stupid feature still present in Mango or can we make WiFi run ALL THE TIME on battery power?
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I guess your machine will juiced out within 6 hours if your run WiFi all the time, which is simply no point. I don't think you will charge your phone every 4-5 hours or bring 5-6 batteries along with you.
Phone will turn on WiFi only when you are going to use the internet (while screen on) or when receiving the mails/messages as scheduled (while screen off), so you can still receive your mails and messages when it is idling.
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Don't know if this is a troll or just a lack of understanding.
You can determine in the options how often you want to to check your various email accounts. For example, one of my accounts I only need checked every hour, while another one I have check ever 15 minutes.
Social network updates are pushed to the phone in real time. I just got a FB notification and the comment had only happened 30 seconds prior.
IM works real time like text.
MS knows what they're doing.
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I think his problem is that he's lacking a data contract(?) In that case he can't get any real time updates, but it should still connect to Wi-Fi for the periodic checks.
Yeah, it will still connect for email. I ran wifi only for a few months.
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In pre-mango WP7 phones the WiFi would automatically turn off if your phone was on battery and screen was off. Is this stupid feature still present in Mango or can we make WiFi run ALL THE TIME on battery power?
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It is still connected on WIFI. I use it since using Mango Dev.
WiFi is a little different in mango. If I am using last.fm and turn off the screen, WiFi stays on instead of switching to 3g. Nodo would turn off WiFi.
Few things to note:
Wifi will drop at screen lock if its not utilized. It will sign you out from your messenger and stop receiving emails etc.
If you have DATA (edge or 3G) that will keep the connection alive.
If you have plugged in your phone to a electric socket then and ONLY then the wifi will stay alive at screen lock.
Wifi drops in about 30sec at screen lock.
Android drops wifi at screenlock by default, BUT you have an option under settings to keep it alive. iPhone prior to iOS4 used to drop wifi at screenlock but not anymore and has no impact on battery life what so ever. 3G consumes more battery than Wifi.
wp7 mango is amazingly fast, but no OS is perfect. Probably in future it will be much better. For now if you are dependent on chat, email and other notification then wp7 and Data package work gr8.
All radios im the RTM are sinked, the system will use WiFi if available, and does real time updates. Aging WiFi, GPS, 3G, BT all on when not needed it is plain stupid and will kill your battery in no time. If anyone desires this get Android, there you can turn everything on till your device stops responding altogether... Embrace the way WP works, lots of taught has gone in for someone to simply criticize it like so... I think ur a perfect android customer....
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All radios im the RTM are sinked, the system will use WiFi if available, and does real time updates. Aging WiFi, GPS, 3G, BT all on when not needed it is plain stupid and will kill your battery in no time. If anyone desires this get Android, there you can turn everything on till your device stops responding altogether... Embrace the way WP works, lots of taught has gone in for someone to simply criticize it like so... I think ur a perfect android customer....
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If my Android can last one whole day with Wifi on 24 hours(Galaxy S2) then WP7 should last longer. WiFi radio DOES NOT consume a lot of battery. Please get these retarded Android thoughts out of your mind. I'm not exactly aiming for the moon here. All I want is to get my push notifications AS THEY HAPPEN.
Someone mentioned in this thread that it periodically reconnects even with screen off to check for updates. Well if that's the case then I can forget about push notifications right? Because for those to work I'll need internet access on my phone constantly and not on periodic intervals.
I'm not trolling here. This was a genuine problem for me on my old WP7 device. The phone would disconnect WiFi when in standby. I have a perfectly fine working internet connection at home and I'm not about to sign up for an expensive data plan from my cellular network provider.
What I need to know is will I get IM push notifications, email push notifications
on WiFi when my screen has been off for a longer period of time? If I'm not then what exactly is the reason behind this? Does MS except everyone to have a data plan?
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Does MS except everyone to have a data plan?
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The simple answer is yes. It's Windows Phone. It's intended to work with a data, voice, and text plan.
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The simple answer is yes. It's Windows Phone. It's intended to work with a data, voice, and text plan.
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well if that's the case then is there any app that I use to limit what app can use how much data and what app can use what kind of data (wifi or cellular?) Because if there isn't then its just a ticking time bomb before I get a bloated bill at the end of the month
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Does MS except everyone to have a data plan?
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It's a smartphone so... yes. That's why smartphones are usually sold with data plans and that's why Microsoft implemented cloud services like Skydrive and Zune Pass.
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well if that's the case then is there any app that I use to limit what app can use how much data and what app can use what kind of data (wifi or cellular?) Because if there isn't then its just a ticking time bomb before I get a bloated bill at the end of the month
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Let me make this easy for you... WP7 is not for you and you should stick with your Galaxy S2 which is a great phone anyway.
Hello my friend,
I have recently migrate to WP7.5(Tango) and i have some little questions.
My data is always connected, but, i don't have activate the pushmail.
So, why my data are always on ?
Does Windows Phone has an autodisconnect feature ?
If no, is there a way in order to install an application in order to autodisconnect data after X seconds of innactivity.
Thanks a lot for your help,
Nixeus
What phone you are using?
Does your cellular provider charge by the minute, or something like that? All the rates for data that I've seen are either by the month or by the megabyte. I don't think I've heard of auto-disconnect as a desired feature since the days of literal modems (the kind that sent sudio tones over the telephone connection instead of using a communication protocol actually intended for data).
The only way I know of to turn off the data connection is manually, in the Settings hub. Be aware that a lot of the features of WP7 use data connectivity in the background, not just email sync. For example, syncing your Facebook (and Twitter and LinkedIn) account, syncing your contacts and calendar from the server, checking the Marketplace for updates to installed apps, and so on. These use very little data, but they connect fairly often.
In theory, I'm sure there's a way to programmatically turn the data connection on or off. It might even be possible to tell when it's not in use, and hasn't been for some time. This is not going to be easy, though, and as far as I know nobody else has figured it out.
Thanks for the answers,
So, i will coding an apps in order to turn OFF the DATA connection during a period.
( the night for me)