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Cooking Help

Since all of you have made it so easy to understand the basics, I'm trying to cook!
I'm using the latest official Tilt ROM posted here, but I'd like to import the latest CE OS version from a different ROM. I don't even know if this is possible, but I figure someone would know how if it is.
If I extract the base ROM and the ROM with the target CE OS, how would I go about importing this OS into the Base ROM?

Someone at least tell me shut up Newb and read or point me in the direction I need to go. I've looked and the only thing I can find is some references to XIP being difficult to port.
Is this where the main operating system of the device is stored?

Anyone willing to help?

BulldogXTRM said:
Anyone willing to help?
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I think you just asked the single hardest question about cooking. The answer is there's no "simple" easy way to do it. Most of the files you're looking for will reside in the SYS\OS* folders. The really good news is that as long as you keep the OEM\OEMDrivers folder alone you can port pretty much anything you want from a similar device (Hermes, Polaris, Wizard, etc) and it should work on the Kaiser.
But it is *truly* a VERY slow process to port enough to make things work without porting so much you break it again. And when you have a ROM that won't even boot its a ROYAL PAIN to track down which of dozens of changes you might have made between compiles/flashes is causing the problem. In my experience it's usually something really simple like extra characters in initflashfiles.dat (from editing in Notepad), or some registry setting gone awry.
Anyway, good luck to you!

wm6.1 for shadow/juno

Even though some of us shadow/juno users don't have a section up here yet, are there any works in progress for wm6.1? I know they have it for the dash so I am not sure how much different it would be for the shadow/juno.

ya i would seriously love this haha i really want a 6.1 shadow rom with threaded text messaging

I would like to see it too

I would love to see a Juno/Shadow section

we've been fighting for an htc s640 forum for a few weeks now, they just ignore us lol, so i doubt you guys are going to get one as well anytime soon heh..
we're also poking around for a wm6.1 rom, no luck
dont' worry guys, you're not the only ones!

It sure would be nice to have our own section for the JUNO/Shadow, and I find it hard to believe that none of these ROM cookers have not been working on a WM6.1 custom rom for the shadow.
The 3125 has been a staple of the smartphone community for too long, and anyone who has used the shadow can appreciate the larger screen and better camera found in the shadow.
Come on y'all...........it's time for some JUNO/Shadow love

I guess we will have to start learning how to "cook" roms.
I'll try to learn something and post it on my website: http://www.freddyreyes.com/forums

There isn't that much to regular cooking of roms. The problem is porting it from another device(which I have no idea how to do). Here are the things you need to do to mod the rom after you have that very important step figured out:
Extract rom (extracted versions are floating around in this forum somewhere...(Check Calling all T-Mo Shadow users thread)
Dump rom into bin files and then convert to normal files/folders
Add/remove files as needed
Create XIP chain with working Shadow drivers (Don't know how to do that)
Convert fiel back to a bin file and recreate os file (nk.nbh)
I can do all of these steps except creating the new XIP chain. I have no idea where to start with that.

I just remembered, you also need to make any drivers in the actual rom that don't work universally to work for the shadow.
If someone can teach me some of the things to do to port the rom, I'll try and do it.

I don't understand why they won't make us a new section

ND4SPD said:
I just remembered, you also need to make any drivers in the actual rom that don't work universally to work for the shadow.
If someone can teach me some of the things to do to port the rom, I'll try and do it.
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How can I give you the drivers? Do I need to "dump" my Rom and extract the files?
Here is the post that you mentioned: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351660

Well, I've got the shadow dump, but I don't know how to edit any drivers from a different devices wm6.1 to work for the shadow

Maybe Kavana (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=373268) at the Excalibur forum can give us a hand. He ported 6.1 to the Dash.

Ok. What device's wm6.1 should we try and port and what build?
I know that there are currently 3 builds of wm6.1, but I don't know if they all have to do with smartphones(maybe only for ppc). Which should we use?

There are 2 that could work. The Dash is very similar to the Shadow. It has wi-fi, bluetooth, camera...however the camera is only 1.3 Mp and the other issue could be the "sure type" shadow's keyboard.
Dash (Smartphone)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374890
Tornado (Smartphone)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375670

The only problem I can see with using the dash is that it's landscape oriented and the shadow is portrait oriented. It doesn't matter to me though..

spl
i would say use the vox. there is a 6.1 build for the vox. and also not rain on this but, even if you make a build how are we going to flash it? spl will be locked i'm guessing and as far as i know nobody has come up with a jump or hard spl yet for the juno

Does anyone know if Lokiwiz works for the shadow? We could CID unlock it with that, right?

I tried that on my old Wizard and it worked not sure about the Shadow....

EDIT: I thought it CID unlocked my phone. I'll try something else. I downloaded the vox SYS and OEM folders that contain the rom image. (I'll start replacing all the parts tomorrow. Thanks pixelwix for reminding about the cid unlock and the Vox rom suggestion.

EasyPortKitchen

Ttran, I don't know if you meant it as a joke, but it's entirely doable...
Do you guys think I should make an easy port kitchen? I just need some more info on the ROM folder side of things... Porting cooks, give me your knowledge! hehe It would allow you to input any OEM folder and any SYS folder and have it automatically port things for you.
It's not the best in the fact that the new cooks don't learn how things work, but it would make it easier to port things in general...

don´t ask - just do!

How are you going to write this? If you're going to make Windows batch files (like most of the kitchens out there), get in touch with me. Batch files are definitely one of my specialties, and I'd love to help with this.

c#
I can develop anything you need in c# as well if you don't want to stick to batch files.
I have been looking for some resources as far as cooking so I can learn to do it myself and am totally into the idea of creating an app to automate it.

Cool. I've done a working preliminary version. It ports the SYS folder just fine. The XIP, I'm still learning how to port so the kitchen still can't touch it.
Both of your offers sound good. I'll be more than happy to have you guys helping out once I figure out how to get the XIP porting done.

Chef Mentor Wanted...

hi, peeps.
Im having a play with some bits and pieces and think I get it. Wondered if a kind Chef would mind taking me under thier wing and giving me a few bits to play with eg partially created roms, ones that didnt work, ones that did, a couple of different roms and then get me to try and merge them etc.
Want to extract some existiing roms so I can learn how the bits all work. Yes I have read the tuts and guides. But I fancy having a foster chef help me get up to speed.
Soz if this is against the rules, I just fancy trying to be an apprentice first and learn from different roms what worked and what didnt, and more importantly, why. Also want to learn about these tweaks people make to the dlls etc.

that mentor would be the wiki.

the_passenger said:
that mentor would be the wiki.
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here here .

SlyTuk said:
hi, peeps.
Im having a play with some bits and pieces and think I get it. Wondered if a kind Chef would mind taking me under thier wing and giving me a few bits to play with eg partially created roms, ones that didnt work, ones that did, a couple of different roms and then get me to try and merge them etc.
Want to extract some existiing roms so I can learn how the bits all work. Yes I have read the tuts and guides. But I fancy having a foster chef help me get up to speed.
Soz if this is against the rules, I just fancy trying to be an apprentice first and learn from different roms what worked and what didnt, and more importantly, why. Also want to learn about these tweaks people make to the dlls etc.
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I b4 E except after C.... sorry, had to do it

added some urls
Im no mentor as I am strugling myself on getting first release stable, but I can provide whit some delicious urlz;
Alex's v5 Cooking Kits - last updated 2008-02-26
Cooking Guides for the Ultimate Noobs- Screencasts
Kaiser ROM Kitchen Tutorial
How to cook a ROM
OEM building tutorial
True PagePool Hack Tutorial
Diamond Apz & OEM
How to dump a ROM
How to reconstruct ROM
The Ultimate Radio Thread
All Extracted HTC Apps (cab & oem included)
Universal WM6 ROM Kitchen
XDA PagePool Patcher v1.4 for ALL Kaiser Rom Files (and Touch dual)
The NIKI / NEON Radio that Works w/ 1.65.xx.xx based ROM's 1.58.25.17
P1Taters 4share
Duttys 4 share
Ahmadashar stuff
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship
L26_Kaiser Diamond (Build 19588.1.1.4, full port!) Chefs friendly version!
Remove Clear Storage Icon in Settings <-- Good example of how to remove stock app.
Also search for DrJ video tutorials on kitchen and cooking. They are guud but didnt find the url. Got them stored on my laptop. // Edit: added to post
Hopefully some of this makes you going

raiisak said:
Im no mentor as I am strugling myself on getting first release stable, but I can provide whit some delicious urlz;
Kaiser ROM Kitchen Tutorial
How to cook a ROM
OEM building tutorial
True PagePool Hack Tutorial
Diamond Apz & OEM
How to dump a ROM
How to reconstruct ROM
The NIKI / NEON Radio that Works w/ 1.65.xx.xx based ROM's 1.58.25.17
P1Taters 4share
Duttys 4 share
Ahmadashar stuff
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship
L26_Kaiser Diamond (Build 19588.1.1.4, full port!) Chefs friendly version!
Also search for DrJ video tutorials on kitchen and cooking. They are guud but didnt find the url. Got them stored on my laptop.
Hopefully some of this makes you going
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Thanks raiisak, Its very refreshing to see someone who goes that bit further. I had seen some of those, but there are a few new links I hadnt come accross before.
Just bit the bullet and flashed my first rom It aint grear, but at least it works! Not getting the performance of Leo though, even though I used his core v4. Must try and see why.
To the "read the wiki" bregade, I confirm I had before I wrote this thread. Reason I asked for a mentor, is that is how I approach my work. For my employer, I have mentors, and I mentor others. Collaboration was what I thought forums and communities were all about - perhaps I was mistaken.
Once again, thank you to raiisak. No doubt Ill be in contact to see how you get on, as well as trying to learn with you if I can keep up

I'm not skilled as the elite, but I know how to cook my own roms. Here are some tips.
Watch all these videos. Then copy the videos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372469
Start with this kit by Alex. Thats how I started.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's Cooking Kits
After playing around with all these tools, download the kaiser 3.28 rom and strip out the bloatware. This is where the skills come in knowing all the reg keys belonging to what program and what files link to the program. These are all good tips for a good start. I wish you luck.

SlyTuk said:
Thanks raiisak, Its very refreshing to see someone who goes that bit further. I had seen some of those, but there are a few new links I hadnt come accross before.
Just bit the bullet and flashed my first rom It aint grear, but at least it works! Not getting the performance of Leo though, even though I used his core v4. Must try and see why.
To the "read the wiki" bregade, I confirm I had before I wrote this thread. Reason I asked for a mentor, is that is how I approach my work. For my employer, I have mentors, and I mentor others. Collaboration was what I thought forums and communities were all about - perhaps I was mistaken.
Once again, thank you to raiisak. No doubt Ill be in contact to see how you get on, as well as trying to learn with you if I can keep up
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Well I am glad it helped you a bit on the way, and I fully understand why you search a mentor. All the info on cooking are great untill you reach more advanced areas best explained by chefs who knows the deal or others who are contributing and developing.
I have a couple more for you:
Universal WM6 ROM Kitchen
XDA PagePool Patcher v1.4 for ALL Kaiser Rom Files (and Touch dual)
Others string of intrest is:
how to edit a .rgu
how to create a oem
how the build a package
Remeber L26 and other great chef`s rgu`s are heavy modified. Theyre roms are stripped and customized over and over. We deadly need to start fresh, learning the kitchen, again and again its stucked in mind and fingers. Then move on and add oure own packages editing those oem and flash, reflash and flash some more. Reading up on forum while you are cooking is a great thing as its wery time consuming. Doing it basic adding one by one is a great learning curve and great for bugtesting.
Lucky me I am under a great chefs wing and will be happy to provide/pass on some basic knowledge about cooking if you gets stuck youre first week
Just shout out or pm me and ill do my best.

thomassster said:
I'm not skilled as the elite, but I know how to cook my own roms. Here are some tips.
Watch all these videos. Then copy the videos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372469
Start with this kit by Alex. Thats how I started.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's Cooking Kits
After playing around with all these tools, download the kaiser 3.28 rom and strip out the bloatware. This is where the skills come in knowing all the reg keys belonging to what program and what files link to the program. These are all good tips for a good start. I wish you luck.
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Screencast is the vids of dr.j i was talking about. Legend! Good find, I added em to my post aswell as I planning to add everything I find usefull to it as I ride

raiisak said:
Screencast is the vids of dr.j i was talking about. Legend! Good find, I added em to my post aswell as I planning to add everything I find usefull to it as I ride
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WOW! Thanks dude...
That stock tool removal will be my next step.
My first cooked rom still hasnt died yet - I just bunged anyold crap in to see how it would look, and if it would work. The fact it even booted amazed me - and there are even some bits I like in there. - for example there are 2 start menus, one normal WM version, the other like a Desktop. Id never seen that before - Id always wanted to clean out a rom, then put some of my most used apps - Opera, RSS, PIE a couple of games or something. Now I might "play" more and think more outside the box... Dunno yet !
Edit: - when I say 2 Start menus, I mean at the same time, depending on where you click on, icon for detailed version, word for simple version.
Fanx again matey

SlyTuk said:
WOW! Thanks dude...
That stock tool removal will be my next step.
My first cooked rom still hasnt died yet - I just bunged anyold crap in to see how it would look, and if it would work. The fact it even booted amazed me - and there are even some bits I like in there. - for example there are 2 start menus, one normal WM version, the other like a Desktop. Id never seen that before - Id always wanted to clean out a rom, then put some of my most used apps - Opera, RSS, PIE a couple of games or something. Now I might "play" more and think more outside the box... Dunno yet !
Edit: - when I say 2 Start menus, I mean at the same time, depending on where you click on, icon for detailed version, word for simple version.
Fanx again matey
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Also if you going to do youre own stuff I recomend WinCE CAB Manager, unfort. its not free. But its a wery wery nice cab tool. I use it all the time to make my own tweaks as I flash faster than flash gordon himself and cant be arsed hack the reg manualy everythims. You can build a house in there, im sure of it. Anyways, you should check it out.

SlyTuk said:
WOW! Thanks dude...
That stock tool removal will be my next step.
My first cooked rom still hasnt died yet - I just bunged anyold crap in to see how it would look, and if it would work. The fact it even booted amazed me - and there are even some bits I like in there. - for example there are 2 start menus, one normal WM version, the other like a Desktop. Id never seen that before - Id always wanted to clean out a rom, then put some of my most used apps - Opera, RSS, PIE a couple of games or something. Now I might "play" more and think more outside the box... Dunno yet !
Edit: - when I say 2 Start menus, I mean at the same time, depending on where you click on, icon for detailed version, word for simple version.
Fanx again matey
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Hi
It is good to see a determined fellas that try to cook. I'm no cook and merely a average user... but if i'm not mistaken, the two start menu you talking about might be coming from qmenu (the one that look like desktop.. by desktop i assume you mean windows desktop and it is a cascading start menu). maybe the base you use already have it installed.

SlyTuk said:
Thanks raiisak, Its very refreshing to see someone who goes that bit further. I had seen some of those, but there are a few new links I hadnt come accross before.
Just bit the bullet and flashed my first rom It aint grear, but at least it works! Not getting the performance of Leo though, even though I used his core v4. Must try and see why.
To the "read the wiki" bregade, I confirm I had before I wrote this thread. Reason I asked for a mentor, is that is how I approach my work. For my employer, I have mentors, and I mentor others. Collaboration was what I thought forums and communities were all about - perhaps I was mistaken.
Once again, thank you to raiisak. No doubt Ill be in contact to see how you get on, as well as trying to learn with you if I can keep up
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well u may be my next mentor...
can you put links to post #1???
I'm sure if this will be nice summary in the end
thx

Cleaning up a ROM...Yes I'm a newbie

Hello everyone, this is my first thread here and I really hate to ask this but I have been reading and searching for the past 4 days and have learned a lot except for this. When researching the wiki and searching xda-dev w/ google I couldn't find any info or guides involving the cleaning up of or removing apps/programs from a dumped and extracted ROM. I want to learn how to take a ROM and remove all programs I don't want and re-cook with what I need. Could anyone point me in the right direction so that I can learn this process?
Any help will be greatly appreciated, and please be easy on me if I missed anything. Once again thanks.

try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372469

Thanks but I have already watched all of those vids and have them saved on my computer for future reference. I don't see anything there that will help me with what I need. For example, say I have a HTC ROM that came installed on my device when I bought it and I want to remove bubble breaker and solitare from the ROM as I don't want them. Is there something out there that teaches how to do this? I know how to dump the ROM and extract it, just do not know what parts of the app I need to remove (dll's, exe's, reg entries, etc) or where. I honestly could be missing something but I am for sure confused. Also I used to live just south of Pittsburgh in Washington county, now in AZ....saw you were in western PA.

ok bud not to sound like mean ass...
the screen casts taught you everything, I myself use IMGFS tools to dump and recook roms but there are lots of prebuilt kitchens such as kaiser Kitchen. cooking doesnt get any easier than that. if your going to need more help and just dont get whats in the wiki try and have someone do a one on one with you over IM since everything you need to know is well documented in the kaiser wiki as well as the Hermes wiki
knowing what files to remove can be made easier by using package tool from bepe. but its more trail and error. also you can use reshack to see what files are linked to what.

austinsnyc said:
ok bud not to sound like mean ass...
the screen casts taught you everything, I myself use IMGFS tools to dump and recook roms but there are lots of prebuilt kitchens such as kaiser Kitchen. cooking doesnt get any easier than that. if your going to need more help and just dont get whats in the wiki try and have someone do a one on one with you over IM since everything you need to know is well documented in the kaiser wiki as well as the Hermes wiki
knowing what files to remove can be made easier by using package tool from bepe. but its more trail and error. also you can use reshack to see what files are linked to what.
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Didn't sound mean at all man. I do use kaiser kitchen and have used imgfs tools by themselves too, neither of those are the problem. Now I have not looked into bepe's tools or reshack which seems to be what I'm looking for more or less. I will try and locate those tools and give them a shot. It's just hard for me to figure out how to remove all parts of an app on a rom. I appreciate the help. Thanks.

yes that is one of the fun parts of rom cooking....
figuring out what goes to what and what you can remove with out breaking something else. its lots of trail and error :/ once you get the hang of it its pretty simple till you start porting roms and such

thanks for the help.

Maybe you can add your discovery to any guides or wikis. Even if it's only an alternate phrasing, it could save other people from a tough learning curve.