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Hey guys, I need to cancel my data plan on my account with AT&T, and the rep told me b/c it's a smart phone it requires a data plan with it.
I installed that one program that disables network connections so no data is transferred at all, but I'd still be paying the $30/month.
Does anyone know of a program to blind the IDMI or w/e number so that AT&T doesn't know what phone I'm using? I mean, yea I can just put my SIM in another phone and use that and cancel the plan just fine. I'd LIKE to continue using the fuze as a normal phone b/c it has wifi and is an all-around better phone than say a moto razor. This way I can call from a razor, cancel the plan, and put the SIM back in the Fuze and according to my account online it won't know I've switched back to the Fuze.
Ideas? Thanks.
tell the rep that he/she is a liar and a jerk. You can remove your dataplan. the only phone out there that requires you to have a dataplan is the iphone. get yourself a rep that actually knows what they're talking about.
Last time they told my gf that her only option for txt mssging is to pay for the unlimited and i kept telling her you can get 200 for $5 and the rep says no, I told her to get another rep and that rep set it up for her.
You actually do need a data plan for any smartphone, if you upgrade to another smart phone theres no way to get out of paying $30 for data
Broman400 said:
You actually do need a data plan for any smartphone, if you upgrade to another smart phone theres no way to get out of paying $30 for data
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I have to agree with mputtr. Keep trying until you get a rep that will do it for you. By the way, I've upgraded twice over the past 3 1/2 years with ATT smartphones, and I was never required to get a data plan. I still don't have one to this day.
LBCta said:
I have to agree with mputtr. Keep trying until you get a rep that will do it for you. By the way, I've upgraded twice over the past 3 1/2 years with ATT smartphones, and I was never required to get a data plan. I still don't have one to this day.
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tell the rep that he/she is a liar and a jerk. You can remove your dataplan. the only phone out there that requires you to have a dataplan is the iphone. get yourself a rep that actually knows what they're talking about.
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Not true anymore, since September 6, it's now AT&T policy that every smartphone requires the $30 data plan, not just the iphone (BBs included). The only way to get out of this is if you had a smartphone BEFORE that date and either didn't have a data plan or had a cheaper one and therefore you're grandfathered in. You could try to find a rep to do it for you, and even in the rare case you do find one, once AT&T matches your IMEI, they're gonna put the data plan back on and possibly charge you for trying to circumvent the policy.
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Not true anymore, since September 6, it's now AT&T policy that every smartphone requires the $30 data plan, not just the iphone (BBs included). The only way to get out of this is if you had a smartphone BEFORE that date and either didn't have a data plan or had a cheaper one and therefore you're grandfathered in. You could try to find a rep to do it for you, and even in the rare case you do find one, once AT&T matches your IMEI, they're gonna put the data plan back on and possibly charge you for trying to circumvent the policy.
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He's right. Though, how long do you think it will take for them to match up the IMEI's? Because I've switched my SIM through several Winmo phones (shh, off the record) and never been asked about it.
I'm hoping AT&T will be lazy because I really don't like this idea
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He's right. Though, how long do you think it will take for them to match up the IMEI's? Because I've switched my SIM through several Winmo phones (shh, off the record) and never been asked about it.
I'm hoping AT&T will be lazy because I really don't like this idea
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Yeah, it's either hit or miss I guess. At times my Fuze will go unnoticed after using a dumbphone, and then all of a sudden it will show up in OLAM, but I've had the Medianet plan on the Fuze forever, so no worries
But from what I hear AT&T is more aggressive in searching for people, so all I can say is good luck!
I've got three phones on family data & family texting... $60 total for all three. Fuze, BJII and Samsung Eternity. I want to upgrade fuze to Tilt2 & BJII to better smartphone, but I don't want to get jacked by AT&T forcing a move to data plans. Anyone know if you can switch back thought the website once you've signed up for data plan?
I've had a Tilt forever. I need to uprade, hopefully to a HTC Pure, however already having a family plan with 5 phones, I don't need or want a data plan o top of that expense. Is there a way of using an unlocked phone to avoid the ATT Nazis? Thanks for any help. Hoping that I won't have to go back to an iPaq Pocket PC.
the only real way of doing it is after upgrading the phone wait a month or so while paying for data then put the sim in a old razr or something and go online change your IMEI and then call and say u lost the new one and have them take data off.
then just swap sims later and hope they dont notice
Here's a quick fix that always works: (I've done this many, many times)
1. Get yourself a dumbphone, i.e. non-winmo/BB/iPhone devices like those Nokia's or SE's
2. Get the IMEI# of the dumbphone ready because the rep would want to register that with your account.
3. Call the rep from the dumbphone, and tell him/her that you're NOT gonna use your smartphone anymore and that you would want the data plan to be removed.
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This would also be the chance for you to downgrade your data plan to the cheaper $15/mo MediaNET, most dumbphones will be eligible for that.
4. Hang up and put back the SIM card into the smartphone again, voila.
The trick is to NEVER call the rep from the smartphone as they're able to detect your IMEI from the network.
Good luck.
i've read the other threads about people not wanting to talk about it because thieves who steal phones change imei numbers to bypass an imei block when you report the phone stolen.
Well the reason for this imei "spoofing" would be for the ATT customers. They force smartphone/iphone users into having to pay for a data plan. That's 25 bucks for 2 gigs and $10 more for any gig over. Forget tethering and all that. The people who had unllimited data plans BEFORe this was enacted STILL have unlimited data to tether and watch videos all they want on their smartphones WITHOUT a 2 gb cap.
Solution? Here's what i've come up with (a theory/model).
A rom (like clockwork ) could implement a imei spoofer at boottime. You can only put in one imei number to change it to at the time of installation of the clockwork mod. It would be locked down though so you can only switch it back to the real one or that other one. So if you uninstall/reinstal/wipe the phone you can't change the imei again.
That one imei number that you put in should be an older phone you have (nokias, lg shine, aka anything that ISNT a smartphone). Everyone has older phones lying around before you upgraded to a smartphone. Just use that one and either destroy the phone or just make sure no sim goes into the dumbphone imei your using. Then you can get the original medianet unlimited available to non smartphones
What do you think of this?
also as of now im thinking of just getting the 200 mb , turning off all data connections (power control widget) permanently and just use wifi. ATT won't let you actually turn off the data plan (thus another need for this imei spoofing/changing)
I think it is absolute nonsense. Honestly..
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I think it is absolute nonsense. Honestly..
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nah.. the whole goal is to get ATT to switch their plans. Tmobile, verizon, everyone else has a real unlimited plan. PErhaps just limit the iphone users if its really a network problem.
Since they don't want to offer unlimited internet, this would be the only way to. People would do it the same reason they jailbreak iphones, root androids, etc.
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"The new top-ranging data plan is called DataPro and gives users a monthly cap of 2GB for $25/month. Once customers fly past their monthly cap, AT&T will charge an additional $10 for another gigabyte of data. For example, if a customer uses 2.01GB of data, you'll be charged $35."
Have you ever considered the possibility that you might jeopardize someone else's profile by using his IMEI ?
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Have you ever considered the possibility that you might jeopardize someone else's profile by using his IMEI ?
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No because You are supposed to use only imei's you own. Old phones in shoe boxes, closets, etc. I dunno about you guys, but my mom/dad/myself/others i know have always had old backup phones or phones they just keep in boxes when they get others. In fact I have a couple blackberries, palm treo 600/650, nokias, lgs & the such lieing around now.
Just like macchanger on linux allows you to change your mac, a imei changer at boot time could switch to that one so you could save money on your bill (regain the ability to disable all att internet instead of being FORCED to pay for internet if you have a smartphone... or just pay for unlimited)
Both options IMHO are better than the 200 mb cap, and 2 gb cap they offer
I see.. well in that case i misunderstood. There's a good IMEI tool on berryreview for these purporses.. but still.. not a big fan about the idea.. however, it should work
RunTimeWorld said:
I see.. well in that case i misunderstood. There's a good IMEI tool on berryreview for these purporses.. but still.. not a big fan about the idea.. however, it should work
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I thought it was illegal to do that, but will this let an android work on regular plans?
It is illegal as far as i know, since you violate the contract you made to a certain IMEI.
Plus not everything that is illegal is negative - sometimes there is nothing but a protection for consumers behind.
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No because You are supposed to use only imei's you own. Old phones in shoe boxes, closets, etc. I dunno about you guys, but my mom/dad/myself/others i know have always had old backup phones or phones they just keep in boxes when they get others. In fact I have a couple blackberries, palm treo 600/650, nokias, lgs & the such lieing around now.
Just like macchanger on linux allows you to change your mac, a imei changer at boot time could switch to that one so you could save money on your bill (regain the ability to disable all att internet instead of being FORCED to pay for internet if you have a smartphone... or just pay for unlimited)
Both options IMHO are better than the 200 mb cap, and 2 gb cap they offer
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If you can afford so many devices, you might be able to pay for a decent plan too.. that's an advice with good intention..
Let me kn ow if anything comes of this as I am interested in hobnobbing this IM3I trickster. I have an older samsung Eternity that I have wanted to test and switch IM3I numbers with my Captivate.
Another thing that i was looking into but never went anywhere was ROMing a Galaxy S so it would work WITHOUT a SIM card. simply using the WIFI only "off the grid"
It does not seem too impossible at all and I dont understand whay this is not been looked into.
I cant run my Captivate without a SIM or I get major NAGing
I'm affraid you'd have to google yourself, since I don't want to put myself into trouble.
But there are tons of tools for that out there...
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If you can afford so many devices, you might be able to pay for a decent plan too.. that's an advice with good intention..
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Yeah. The one I have now is an aria though (they were giving them away free in exchange for a 2 year extension). I should have done my research first about ATT's new policies. Sure 2 gb isnt the end of the world, but I would love the ability to choose no internet at all. That way I can just use wifi. Since I am forced into paying for some kind, I would love to pay for unlimited so I can tether or use it however way I want. They charge $20 or $25 on top of the original $25 to tether (so 45-50 bucks) and you still have the same 2gb cap. nomore bandwidth although you paid 20-25 bucks more. That is not right.
I will check that app out. If push comes to shove though, I will just keep the 2 gb and just keep data off (thanks to cyanogen!) and just use wifi. the $25 for the 2 gb is less than the $30 I paid for unlimited on a normal phone (which they just removed 2 days ago when it sensed the aria)
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Yeah. The one I have now is an aria though (they were giving them away free in exchange for a 2 year extension). I should have done my research first about ATT's new policies. Sure 2 gb isnt the end of the world, but I would love the ability to choose no internet at all. That way I can just use wifi. Since I am forced into paying for some kind, I would love to pay for unlimited so I can tether or use it however way I want. They charge $20 or $25 on top of the original $25 to tether (so 45-50 bucks) and you still have the same 2gb cap. nomore bandwidth although you paid 20-25 bucks more. That is not right.
I will check that app out. If push comes to shove though, I will just keep the 2 gb and just keep data off (thanks to cyanogen!) and just use wifi. the $25 for the 2 gb is less than the $30 I paid for unlimited on a normal phone (which they just removed 2 days ago when it sensed the aria)
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I had a Blackberry Bold with the original $30 unlimited data plan before I got my Captivate. After I got the Captivate I just had to call up AT&T and they transferred the plan to my Captivate's IMEI number with no problem.
The reason I'm researching this is for when I get my Motorola Atrix next month. I'm going to transfer my unlimited plan to the Atrix's IMEI number but change the IMEI on my Captivate to the Atrix's IMEI number also. That way when I use the Captivate as a backup phone I would just move my SIM card over and not have any data network problems.
yahooserious said:
Another thing that i was looking into but never went anywhere was ROMing a Galaxy S so it would work WITHOUT a SIM card. simply using the WIFI only "off the grid"
It does not seem too impossible at all and I dont understand whay this is not been looked into.
I cant run my Captivate without a SIM or I get major NAGing
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Couldn't you blacklist or rmmod whatever kernel driver module operates the SIM card?
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If you can afford so many devices, you might be able to pay for a decent plan too.. that's an advice with good intention..
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That was such a stupid remark. Please don't talk unless u think. So ur saying if I have an old Motorola flip phone and own a couple phones from 1995 that I should be able to afford a $60+ plan?? Some people amaze me with their stupidity.
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So, if I were to switch the imei and device id I could name T-Mobile think I'm using my old note 5? My kid broke his and I can't get it replaced because it's now been too long. If I can change the s4 and spoof the note 5 for a day I can get it replaced. Would this work?
Let me get to the point. I just got my G2x yesterday, swapped everything from my N1. On WiFi, np, I can access anything thru the internet. W/o WiFi, I still get MMS and can trick my phone in getting short data, like my current weather in a widget, etc. but when a browser is pulled up, it tells me I have the wrong data plan and I have to update.
Now, I know exactly what this is, my question is more if there is a way of circumnavigating it? I have the same plan I had w/my G1, which was just before the data plans changed and I don't want to have upgrade to one of thier new limited-unltd AND pay more on top of it. I was planning on rooting it anyway as I have my past to Androids (thanks by the way XDA, w/o this site, I couldn't have done it), but was waiting for CM7. I know there are several great ROMs out there though, many more than when I originally flashed my G1 and if by rooting it, I would work around whatever is relaying my phn info.
Oh, and so everyone knows, I haven't updated my imei yet w/TMo, but I've never experienced this before even w/o my imei being updated.
Anyway, hope my rambling has at least stayed near the tracks of reason and someone can give me an answer. If I have to update my service then I have to, I just don't like being "forced" to , makes me think AT&T and I would LOOOOOOVE to get around this!
Thx all...
Call T-Mobile and tell them what you're seeing. They'll probably first tell you that you'll have to upgrade, or pay more. Tell them that is unacceptable and you'd like to be grandfathered in.
See if that works, I've heard that some people who used T-Zones back in the day are grandfathered in at $5.99 for unlimited web. I'm not sure how valid this may be, but try your luck with T-Mobile and post back here what the outcome was.
I'll give it a try, but I'm going to give hope a chance and hold my breath hoping that maybe, just maybe, this can be circumnavigated by freezing and/or removing some sort of pre-installed mothership progam hidden in one of the many bloatware by TMo...
im grandfatherd with the 6 dollar tzones but it cut off on me last week like when i go to the web it tells me my plans not sufficent for it so idk what to do but im not gettin a data plan
If you are on T-Zones I really doubt you will be able to keep it. What I would do is call retentions and try to get them to put the grandfathered $20 Android plan on there so at least you get it for a little bit less.
Pretty much the same thing I'm getting, it redirects me to web2go.com and tells me I have to update my data plan.
Don't get me wrong, if the TMo commercial chick dressed up like a dominatrix, I would make it my screensaver among other things, it doesn't mean I long for my provider to act the role...
Did you renew your contract?? I am still using the $25 plan I got when I had my G1. At some point (can't remember if I was still on G1 or Nexus One) but I had to switch to the "Android Data Plan" instead of the G! plan (to get Visual Voicemail). My price remained the same, just the name changed. But, I didn't renew my contract when I bought this phone.
Nope, no contract.
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Let me get to the point. I just got my G2x yesterday, swapped everything from my N1. On WiFi, np, I can access anything thru the internet. W/o WiFi, I still get MMS and can trick my phone in getting short data, like my current weather in a widget, etc. but when a browser is pulled up, it tells me I have the wrong data plan and I have to update.
Now, I know exactly what this is, my question is more if there is a way of circumnavigating it? I have the same plan I had w/my G1, which was just before the data plans changed and I don't want to have upgrade to one of thier new limited-unltd AND pay more on top of it. I was planning on rooting it anyway as I have my past to Androids (thanks by the way XDA, w/o this site, I couldn't have done it), but was waiting for CM7. I know there are several great ROMs out there though, many more than when I originally flashed my G1 and if by rooting it, I would work around whatever is relaying my phn info.
Oh, and so everyone knows, I haven't updated my imei yet w/TMo, but I've never experienced this before even w/o my imei being updated.
Anyway, hope my rambling has at least stayed near the tracks of reason and someone can give me an answer. If I have to update my service then I have to, I just don't like being "forced" to , makes me think AT&T and I would LOOOOOOVE to get around this!
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Do you know the name of the actual plan you have? I am a Tech Care rep and the only time you would need to change from a grandfathered plan is if you had a generic smartphone plan instead of an android specific plan.
You may have to upgrade to the android specific, but there are ways around paying the higher cost. Retentions is a good way, got a guy the $20 buck plan yesterday to match his loyalty Blackberry internet plan through retentions.
Glad I'm on Simple Mobile can't beat the price
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Glad I'm on Simple Mobile can't beat the price
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True but good luck with any customer service or tech support.
I just got my G2x today coming from my N1. I was able to keep my Myfaves + unlimited android data, in fact it was recommended i keep it because it has a 5gb cap and the new plan would be 2gb
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True but good luck with any customer service or tech support.
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Ive been with them since it was available ,never had to call customer support and never had an issue...
as far as i have tried the t-zones or t-web plan will not work, i had to finally ditch mine after 7 years, i did call t-mobile and asked to speak to a loyalty rep. which i then explained that i was not going to pay more than 20 for a plan with a new 2 year upgrade, which did not take to much convincing they gave me the unlimited Android data plan for 20 bucks a month. Trust me i did not want to let go of my 9.99 plan which worked great with my HD2 with 3g speeds, but for an extra 10 bucks a month its worth not having to worry about will it work and trying to find the right settings.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm going to have to buckle as well. Going to flash the CM build that was just released. After that, go the loyalty route I guess.
Oh, and...
GO POKES!
So can anyone confirm you have to upgrade from the g1 plan to take advantage of 4h data speeds?
donutman said:
So can anyone confirm you have to upgrade from the g1 plan to take advantage of 4h data speeds?
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That is just a name change - has no effect on speeds.
Still on my "Android Unlimited" for $25 (after changing from "G1 Plan" for VVM).
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Ive been with them since it was available ,never had to call customer support and never had an issue...
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Did you buy your SIM from SM directly?
-bZj
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So can anyone confirm you have to upgrade from the g1 plan to take advantage of 4h data speeds?
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Nope, as I said Im still on my plan from my G1 that was also used on the N1. they just gave me a new sim card.
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Ive been with them since it was available ,never had to call customer support and never had an issue...
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Which is great, but if one day you need it, they don't have a contact number/e-mail listed on their website and T-Mobile can't help you.
Well, I added the "data throttling removal" patch because at least a few of the posts sounded as if by using this Paul O'Brien patch they circumnavigated the need to change plans. Alas, to no avail, although now, I shouldn't have to worry about data throttling should I downgrade to the (limited) unlimited plan.
It appears than my Holy Grail continues to elude me! At this point, I would even just accept some Knights who say "NI!" I'd trade a shrubbery for a resolution...
This isn't asking about it. I know AT&T's rules which is why I posted this. I just figured I would ask this one because I can't find a story like it. I got my girlfriend a GS2 and she had a non-smartphone unlimited data plan. Her and I knew this would add a minimum smartphone plan for 300mb via AT&T and accepted it. She got a text the day about it being added after I put the sim in and it told her a data plan would be added. She used the phone while awaiting the bill to come to her mom before she told her about having a different phone (as she was going to pay for the data difference once her mom found out). About a week ago, her data turned off, but her sim remains in the phone and just doesn't allow internet unless she is on wifi. Is it possible that AT&T turned off data? I'm sure that if her mom got the bill and didn't know, she may have called AT&T to tell them to take it off because her daughter doesn't have a smartphone. I've never heard of this before. It isn't a problem because she would have rather had it this way anyway, but we didn't expect it to happen like this. Anyone else have an idea of whats going? She is running task650's JB 4.1.1 and the phone is was unlocked by me. This is just out of curiosity because as I said before, she would have done this if she could, but we all know that data plans are required on non smartphones.
Looking for an android phone to use on ATT that does not require a data plan.
Until recently i was using the HTC Amaze 4g ( a Tmobile phone) on ATT. For a few months i had no data, no problem. Then i started using the gps a bit, so i got the data, but it was data unlimited for $10/month since the phone was unidentified. That lasted for 3 months or so, then i got the dreadful text saying i need to add data to my line cause its a smartphone.. I then read online, that the Original Nexus, not the 4, was unidentified by AT&T, and that it could be used without data. So i got that, but within 12hrs was forced onto a data plan.
NOW, i am looking for any help or advice on finding a smartphone, preferably android, to use on ATT without data. I almost always have wifi, and really just cant pay $30 extra a month for data that i wont use.
Want a phone that i can check my gmail on, gchat, and have my calendar and music handy, without having multiple devices...
I know this has been discussed in the past, but the threads i came across are outdated, and with new policies and new phones, i was hoping for an update.
Thank you in advance for any help.
I considered putting a pre-paid SIM for minutes in my smartphone - but that would really be NO DATA.
You could probably pretty easily do that - it would just be no data at all.
They might not let you do it on a contract on ATT. T-Mobile doesn't care if you're on a pre-paid plan, but it would depend on if they had good coverage in your area (I am on the $30/mo plan 100min/unlimited text/5Gb data - they have one that focuses on minutes, too). There are also other pre-paid services that use various towers that offer competitive prices.
I guess it really depends on what you need from the service.
Pop your sim into a dumb phone, call them and tell them you want a data block, after they do their thing put the sim back into the smartphone. I've had it like that for 2 years, then I got data, and after a month I had to bock it again, so I put the sim into a dumb phone again and called them to put a block. It always works.
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Pop your sim into a dumb phone, call them and tell them you want a data block, after they do their thing put the sim back into the smartphone. I've had it like that for 2 years, then I got data, and after a month I had to bock it again, so I put the sim into a dumb phone again and called them to put a block. It always works.
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Thats what ive done... but within a day or two, the data plan gets forced back on again... I even tried blocking data on the line, not using any at all, just wifi, and still they force it on. The rep says that the system scans for smartphones, and when it detects one it auto adds the data on.
atat sucks
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faraband said:
Thats what ive done... but within a day or two, the data plan gets forced back on again... I even tried blocking data on the line, not using any at all, just wifi, and still they force it on. The rep says that the system scans for smartphones, and when it detects one it auto adds the data on.
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Weird. Did you tell them to put a data block specifically? Did you give them your IMEI? Also, is the phone you're using an AT&T phone? I had my data blocked while going through 6 different smartphones, in a mix of windows mobile and Android. But non of them were AT&T branded.
Edit. Just reread the OP. All my phones were international except my G2 which was T-Mobile branded. And try to work with them over live chat. It's what I used and it always worked.
My last device with AT&T was an LG Thrive ( P506 ). I had no issues using it with AT&T and no data plan. Bear in mind that the P506 is a bottom end Android device. I was on the $25 month prepaid package for well over a year. In fact, I switched to Simple Mobile, only about 4 months ago.
shinobisoft said:
My last device with AT&T was an LG Thrive ( P506 ). I had no issues using it with AT&T and no data plan. Bear in mind that the P506 is a bottom end Android device. I was on the $25 month prepaid package for well over a year. In fact, I switched to Simple Mobile, only about 4 months ago.
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Prepaid works differently in this type of situation
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Prepaid works differently in this type of situation
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That may be. OP asked for suggestions, thats what I gave. OP didnt specify prepaid or contract.
+1 for pre-paid. Gave my mom my old phone on a month to month contract. took them 4-5 months to actually detect her using the phone but they get pretty butt mad about it and start charging her some rediculous data plan.