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[POLL]Opera Mini or Opera Mobile????[ONLINE]

Hello,
Just wondering which browser is better
Opera Mini - http://www.operamini.com/
Or
Opera Mobile - http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/
Or
Opera Mobile HTC Diamond Version -(Not Sure If I Can Post Link So I Just Wont)
Im Not Sure If There's Even A Difference With The Diamond Version And The One On The Opera Website but I thought I go ahead and ask??
What Is The Difference In The Two or Three
I Really Like Opera Mini The Pages Load Up Really Fast - and I only have the T-mobile 5.99 internet plan
But Which One Is Better???
Thanks

Opera 9.5 Beta Rocks!!
i have tried all the diff diamond versions available. They all come down to one thing. Proper performance stability is not there. Opera Diamond crashes now and then on extensive browsing.
But not since i started using Opera 9.5 Beta. Its really stable and i must say optimised for other devices.
I even changed the Opera 9.5 Beta.lnk to Opera 9.5 so i dont see the beta. keke
Opera mini....never really was a big fan of those Java apps...atleast not on me htc

I found page rendering poor on Opera 9.5, Had to scroll to see the whole page, fonts seemed to be out of proportion. So I kept Opera 9.5 on my Universal and gave up on it altogether on my Elf.

ayyu3m said:
i have tried all the diff diamond versions available. They all come down to one thing. Proper performance stability is not there. Opera Diamond crashes now and then on extensive browsing.
But not since i started using Opera 9.5 Beta. Its really stable and i must say optimised for other devices.
I even changed the Opera 9.5 Beta.lnk to Opera 9.5 so i dont see the beta. keke
Opera mini....never really was a big fan of those Java apps...atleast not on me htc
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I should try the beta version I never tried it I always assumed the Diamond Version was better.
You Are Right About Java its not the best thing
I will look into the beta version and see how it goes
Thanks

enigma1nz said:
I found page rendering poor on Opera 9.5, Had to scroll to see the whole page, fonts seemed to be out of proportion. So I kept Opera 9.5 on my Universal and gave up on it altogether on my Elf.
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on the contrary, i found the 9.5 beta page rendering to be very smooth and fonts are all in proportion. i never use Opera over gprs, always on wifi. cud that be ur problem i wonder?

Mini - but you need to work on it!
I use mini all the time - I've just gone back to my elf after trying out kaisers and nikes for a couple of months... The speed of mini means that you get the same performance without 3G!
I've got a shortcut to Mini, so that I can launch it from an icon or menu without loading java first, and a script that makles it work with url links from emails.
Important though is what version you get - if you get the default, you get an unsigned version, and prompted to allow web access every time you launch - big nono... so go to mini.opera.com on your phone, then select download an older or alternative version, and you get the option to download a signed version, which you can trhen use without being prompted every time.
Done this way, mini works brilliantly.

TangerineTractor said:
I use mini all the time - I've just gone back to my elf after trying out kaisers and nikes for a couple of months... The speed of mini means that you get the same performance without 3G!
I've got a shortcut to Mini, so that I can launch it from an icon or menu without loading java first, and a script that makles it work with url links from emails.
Important though is what version you get - if you get the default, you get an unsigned version, and prompted to allow web access every time you launch - big nono... so go to mini.opera.com on your phone, then select download an older or alternative version, and you get the option to download a signed version, which you can trhen use without being prompted every time.
Done this way, mini works brilliantly.
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I tried The beta Its OK But, I Still Like The Mini Its Alot Faster Loads My Pages In Seconds (On GPRS)
How did you get the shortcut I've been wanting to do the same thing -
Thanks about telling me about the trusted version i hate that it always ask me the untrusted app.
Thanks

Opera Mini setup stuff
Because Opera Mini is cached on Operas servers, you get 3G speeds from a GPRS connection - honest! It's enought to persuade me to go back to my Elf from a Nike, because I think the wifi is more useful than 3G and a slidy keypad!
You need Java or Jbed installed
Clear out all exitsing java apps by deleting the contents of Windows\AppDB
Open Java
From the Menu, select Install..Browser
Go to mini.opera.com
Don't install the version on screen (it has no certificate, is unsigned), click on 'install a previous version' - then you'll get a list of versions that are signed - select the Multiple Certificates one.
Go through the install, check its working, and exit
The attached shortcut will launch opera mini. It assumes that Opera Mini is the first Java app installed. If you have other java apps installed, check the appdb folder and modify the shortcut (copy it to your PC, open Notepad and drag the shortcut into it)
The attached CAB makes Opera Mini the default browser for URLs in mail links etc... it uses Mortscript, which is included. Just install it, but then copy the attached OMInvokeAndPasteScript.mscr to overwrite the existing one in Windows (The new version of mini puts 'www' in front of addresses, this script is modified to remove it when pasting a full link in)
Good luck.

TangerineTractor said:
Because Opera Mini is cached on Operas servers, you get 3G speeds from a GPRS connection - honest! It's enought to persuade me to go back to my Elf from a Nike, because I think the wifi is more useful than 3G and a slidy keypad!
You need Java or Jbed installed
Clear out all exitsing java apps by deleting the contents of Windows\AppDB
Open Java
From the Menu, select Install..Browser
Go to mini.opera.com
Don't install the version on screen (it has no certificate, is unsigned), click on 'install a previous version' - then you'll get a list of versions that are signed - select the Multiple Certificates one.
Go through the install, check its working, and exit
The attached shortcut will launch opera mini. It assumes that Opera Mini is the first Java app installed. If you have other java apps installed, check the appdb folder and modify the shortcut (copy it to your PC, open Notepad and drag the shortcut into it)
The attached CAB makes Opera Mini the default browser for URLs in mail links etc... it uses Mortscript, which is included. Just install it, but then copy the attached OMInvokeAndPasteScript.mscr to overwrite the existing one in Windows (The new version of mini puts 'www' in front of addresses, this script is modified to remove it when pasting a full link in)
Good luck.
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Very Nice!!! Thanks For Sharing I Really Like The Shortcut Is there A way to change the way the icon looks (the internet explorer image)
Thanks

i also use Opera Mini on my Elf all th way... need not to say th advantages, Opera Mobile was just way too much memory hogging n slow-responsive!!

Mini all the way
i have been a fan of opera mini for quite some time now..and the speeds i get over gprs are decent enough for browsing ( and posting here on xda) and downloading small files...
i think however, the choice of Java used does impact the experience...but that is another discussion altogether..
the product is free, with 'almost' regular updates, with hardly any issues for me...

RaffieKol said:
Very Nice!!! Thanks For Sharing I Really Like The Shortcut Is there A way to change the way the icon looks (the internet explorer image)
Thanks
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Open up internet.lnk in a text editor, you can see the code... if you want to use the icon from someting else, make a short cut to that too, then copy the code over...

wow - top work TT ... mini is great! I tried and liked Opera Mobile 9.5 ... for about 15 seconds until I'd run out of memory :-S
question regarding your tips on how to change the icon. i too would like to have an opera icon in my HTC Today screen instead of the IE ... but unless I'm missing something, the only way I could do this would be to have the full opera installed and to refer to it in the shortcut file to get the icon.
as the whole thing is several MB, I was pleased to delete it from my device to free up memory. so what's the trick to get an opera icon? does someone (cleverer than me) need to write a little 10kb exe file with the right icon? or has someone already done so ;-)
thanks a lot for the great tips...

jezash said:
wow - top work TT ... mini is great! I tried and liked Opera Mobile 9.5 ... for about 15 seconds until I'd run out of memory :-S
question regarding your tips on how to change the icon. i too would like to have an opera icon in my HTC Today screen instead of the IE ... but unless I'm missing something, the only way I could do this would be to have the full opera installed and to refer to it in the shortcut file to get the icon.
as the whole thing is several MB, I was pleased to delete it from my device to free up memory. so what's the trick to get an opera icon? does someone (cleverer than me) need to write a little 10kb exe file with the right icon? or has someone already done so ;-)
thanks a lot for the great tips...
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I haven't Tried It But All You Might Need Is the Opera.exe from the Mobile Version
I Posted The Link ToThe Opera.exe File Below
http://rapidshare.com/files/140684454/Opera.exe.html
you can also rename the file to Opera Mini.exe
Let Me Know If It Works

hmm - only problem being that's a 6mb file ... i want something about 1/100th of the size otherwise I lose (needed) system memory. I'll keep looking

jezash said:
hmm - only problem being that's a 6mb file ... i want something about 1/100th of the size otherwise I lose (needed) system memory. I'll keep looking
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Hey!
Try the attached 5.5KB Shell4Icon.dll and tell me if it works !
This is just a res_hacked dll !
And I just thought it would be great if someone expert made from scratch
a *.dll only with resources
as a shell containing the icons we need for shortcuts!
Anyway,
the ID # for the Opera icon is 20797, so your link should be like this:
Code:
"\windows\jbed.exe" -run s0_ ?\Windows\Shell4Icon.dll,-20797
There is also an icon for Messenger you might use, with ID # 20298!
Regards!
ps:Since the poll shows OperaMini as the winner , I'm attaching a combination of 2 OEM Packages for those who want to have OperaMini precooked in their rom!
[Both OperaMini&Esmertec Jbed are older versions but they are lighter than the newer and save enough ROM space!Try&see!]

kokotas
nice one. actually i just found a solution myself! i forgot all about the nice HTC Home Customizer here on xda ... just installed that temporarily and used it to change the icon to a .png file I found on the internet. easy!

to elaborate a bit further about what i tried this morning (when i should have been working...)
i tried creating my own little exe file with the icon i wanted, to use for the link to opera mini. i used the mortscript.exe, copied it to my desktop and used some software i downloaded (iconchanger38.exe) to change the icon to an opera one.
when viewed on the desktop, it had an opera icon.
when viewed from GSFinder, it had an opera icon.
however, when i tried to select it as a button in my HTC Home launcher, you get the list of programs (where does this list come from? there's no obvious way of browsing to other files that it hasn't found) and there, bizarrely, i now had two choices ... one with IE icon, and one with MortScript icon! neither of which was really what i was looking for.
the program list doesn't list files, with extensions, just a list of programs. i got fed up trying to figure out how to hack this and gave up ...
... until it occurred to me to try the HHC solution which works well.
cheers

kokotas said:
Hey!
Try the attached 5.5KB Shell4Icon.dll and tell me if it works !
This is just a res_hacked dll !
And I just thought it would be great if someone expert made from scratch
a *.dll only with resources
as a shell containing the icons we need for shortcuts!
Anyway,
the ID # for the Opera icon is 20797, so your link should be like this:
Code:
"\windows\jbed.exe" -run s0_ ?\Windows\Shell4Icons.dll,-20797
There is also an icon for Messenger you might use, with ID # 20298!
Regards!
ps:Since the poll shows OperaMini as the winner , I'm attaching a combination of 2 OEM Packages for those who want to have OperaMini precooked in their rom!
[Both OperaMini&Esmertec Jbed are older versions but they are lighter than the newer and save enough ROM space!Try&see!]
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Thanks I Tried The Shell.dll but no luck ,
Thanks For The 2 Oem Packages
I also have a tmobile Wing (HTC Herald) and I noticed that most of the cooked roms have Opera Mini.
But For The ELF I Really Dont See It Cooked In The Roms - It Would Be Very Nice If We Have It precooked In Our Future Cooked Roms
(Cough Cough Touch ESSentiaL v2.0) LOL
Thanks

RaffieKol said:
Thanks I Tried The Shell.dll but no luck ,
Thanks For The 2 Oem Packages
I also have a tmobile Wing (HTC Herald) and I noticed that most of the cooked roms have Opera Mini.
But For The ELF I Really Dont See It Cooked In The Roms - It Would Be Very Nice If We Have It precooked In Our Future Cooked Roms
(Cough Cough Touch ESSentiaL v2.0) LOL
Thanks
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yeah that's what i meant
i know the debate which is better is not that easy, but 9.5 build 1938 is fast like lightning, it does open website in a 1-2 seconds with my gprs, so i like it best. opera mini are also great, but using the latest is my habit lol and when decide what to use in a ROM... it's not easy also, so we make it clean and ppl can choose
and with my 8mb PP, opera run very smooth on this tiny elf ..

Tweaking Internet Explorer 6 Mobile

If you haven't been using the latest cooked roms, you probably haven't noticed that IE6 is finding its way into WM6.x devices despite what Microsoft says (No 6 on 6).
On that note, you don't have to use it for long to see why. While it gives a richer browsing experience, it ignores the biggest limitation of the handheld device: the screensize. Unlike say, Skyfire, which renders sites on the server side and sends the resulting screen to the handheld, IE6Mo renders it on the handheld. This takes some horsepower and results in a display that the user needs to scroll left/right/up and down to read. This is nice to have as an option - some pages absolutely require it.
For me bottom line is functionality. My question is how do you enable the single-column display that PIE had? I really enjoyed the readability of the minimal display where you only have to scroll vertically. Short of re-cooking a rom with PIE back in, has anyone found registry tweaks or settings to make it do the simply rendering?

Bump.
I would love to see a single-column option return also.

How about tweaking the storage locations? I'd like to have the "temporary file," at least, be on the storage card. They can eat up the memory in a hurry at the older tweaks for this do not work (different registry entries for the newer iem).

ill be watching
this post to see where it goes i like single colums too

Latest kitchens have it included in the core files. I've been installing this IE6PIE cab over them after flashing and have simple browsing back. Not what I had hoped for but, it works.

Imaginos said:
Latest kitchens have it included in the core files. I've been installing this IE6PIE cab over them after flashing and have simple browsing back. Not what I had hoped for but, it works.
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Take a shot at this regedit. It works on Calcu's TP Kitchen (and Conflippers ROM) without reloading any CABs.
"hklm\security\internet explorer\MSHTML=0" DWORD. This sets it back to old IE rendering. Changes menus and all!

billblack said:
Take a shot at this regedit. It works on Calcu's TP Kitchen (and Conflippers ROM) without reloading any CABs.
"hklm\security\internet explorer\MSHTML=0" DWORD. This sets it back to old IE rendering. Changes menus and all!
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Just tested on a freshly cooked kitchen. It worked and is exactly what I was looking for. Toggle from single column to desktop view looks great! Thanks you for sharing this!

billblack said:
Take a shot at this regedit. It works on Calcu's TP Kitchen (and Conflippers ROM) without reloading any CABs.
"hklm\security\internet explorer\MSHTML=0" DWORD. This sets it back to old IE rendering. Changes menus and all!
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No luck on HDIII. After I edited it, IE just never loads, even after a soft reset.

Update internet explorer mobile?

First an foremost id like to complement all XDA-Dev staff for making such a helpfull forum.
next:
Im making a internet explorer mobile bizzness aplication for an industrial PDA
the motorola MC9090 with barcode integrated.
I allready made the aplication but tested it in a updated version of internet explorer.
My Q is: how can I update these 10 motorola machines with a newer updated version of internet explorer mobile without updating the whole windows mobile?!
Thankz in advance

never heard of any pocketpc inrom program like ie or wmp being updated by a cab

The easy way will just be to upgrade the roms, but you probably don't want to do that. I'm assuming they all have PIE 5. The newer versions of PIE are getting better (the initial PIE 6 betas were pretty bad, imo), but they're still quite beta in nature. I don't think you can use these, though, as they are built around WM 6.5. I suppose you could download a 6.1 kitchen with PIE 6 in it, then rec'mod (or whatever it's called) all of the PIE modules and make a cab file. I'm not sure it would work (pretty sure I couldn't get it to work, but someone else might be able to do it).
Long story short, it will be hard without flashing, and given that the new PIE's for 6.1 suck, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'd just go for a different browser, if you can use it. Check Meinnesys's browser review for a ton of info (he'll also say that PIE6 is crap, as I remember).

hmmmm maybe other browser then.
Yes that maybe right, Farmer Ted.
But, I've been searching and probably I will go for an opera browser or fennec.
This is a huge setback for development and if I use a proper browser the development time will be much shortened i just hope boss understands this.
Because he is pushing us to do it for pie. which makes no sense at as it is just a huge load of crap.
By the way is there a mobile browser that you recommend i take a look before deciding on opera or fennec?
Thanks for the reply and take care.

I personally use opera mini 4.2 v8 version. It's crazy fast, but may be too lite for business. Check out Iris, it's basically like PIE, but better.
I've never used Fennec, but from what I've read, it's very alpha. I'd suggest avoiding it for now.
Opera Mini and Skyfire both do their rendering on a proxy server, which makes them fast. I guess that security is lower in that scenario (although you can change the server in opera mini). They might be nice, though, for business because you could set up a single user account for all the devices, and if needed you could set up a library of bookmarks that everyone could access.
Iris is nice because it uses PIE's cookies (only browser I've found that does this), and it can import PIE bookmarks. You can set the Iris cache to the storage card as well in settings. (You can also do this with PIE, but it requires registry edits).
UCWEB6 is also fast (a little slower than opera mini), and you can import PIE bookmarks with it. It is also a light, mobile browser, and it does the rendering on your device, so I guess it's more secure than mini if less quick (in my experience).
I've been using Opera Beta 9.7 some recently. It is quite nice, and fits my tastes. I like browsers that quickly render pages in a single column. You can set it to do this, and it does so reliably. I don't care for the normal Opera, which renders pages beautifully like you see them on a desktop, but you have to futz around a ton to get it so you can read what's on there. This is all down to tastes, though, and a lot of people don't like the mobile-view. The beta version will work fine for you as long as you don't enable the 'Turbo' mode. Turbo mode is very beta, and it doesn't store cookies (or history, I believe). It's basically the same as Opera Mini, anyway, but not quite as fast.
If you find that none of the alternate browsers are suitable, I'd suggest making some registry tweaks to PIE to improve it. In particular, move the cache to the sd card, and also increase the # of connections or threads or whatever they call it-the tweaks are available in sk tools. Just max out all of them, and see if things work better.

Here is a cab that re-routes your cache to the storage card (it must be called storage card and not 'sd card'). It also sets the default download location to the sd card, increases the max connections per server to 8 and has a tweak to increase download rate. These are the actual keys:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders]
"History"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files\\History"
"Cookies"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files\\Cookies"
"Cache"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files\\Temporary Internet Files"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Default storage location]
"All Files"="\\Storage Card\\My Documents\\My Downloads"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main]
"ReadAllBytesThreshhold"=dword:00000400
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings]
"MaxConnectionsPerServer"=dword:00000008
You can also increase the cache size; here is the setting for 20,480 MB. For some reason, it's not sticking on my fuze, so I didn't include it in the cab:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\5.0\Cache\Content]
"CacheLimit"=dword:00005000
You need to soft reset after installing the cab. Oh, and I posted this with Iris (over my mobiler). It was kind of a pain in the butt, but do-able.
Edit: What the heck, the second cab increases the cache to 20 MB. Only install if you have the cache on the storage card. And soft reset after installing.

Web browser woes... I need some help.

Alright... Here's the low-down. I'm using an AT&T Fuze with the updated official ROM. I am having more problems with web browsing than I ever had with my old device...
Opera Mobile: Randomly refuses to load images. I just get the empty box that says 'image' at the top. Reloading does nothing and the context menu doesn't appear. And when images DO load and I want to save them, I'm forced to save them in a folder on the root of either my device or storage card (i.e.: "/storage card/temp" but not "/storage card/temp/images") and am forced to go in later and organize the files into the correct sub-folders. Plus, I can't set the default save location to the storage card, so I have to change THAT every time I try to save an image, too.
Opera Mini: With the stock Esmertec Jbed, Opera Mini isn't allowed to save or read files from my device. Way to go, AT&T. We appreciate you trying to protect people from themselves, but you guys suck. I tried downloading another version of Esmertec Jbed from the forum here and OM is able to save images, but half the time they don't display fully (I get the blank squares that OM likes to use as place-holders while it loads the image). That, and OM locks up with that modified Jbed...
Skyfire: Promising, but why can't I disable javascript? I keep getting popups that are obstructing the screen and I can't get rid of. That, and it seems to be overly sensitive to screen taps. ("No, I didn't click on that! Go back! GAH! Stupid popups!")
IE: Well, it shows images that Opera Mobile refuses to, it lets me save those images when Opera Mini won't even think about it and, as opposed to Skyfire, it gives me no option to ENABLE javascript. It does, however, throw up all over itself if you try to view a page that wasn't designed for a mobile browser. Sometimes it even locks up as a result...
Which brings me to my question for you fine folks. Can anyone offer a solution or fix for ANY of the above problems? Any one of these browsers would be fantastic, if not for its crippling flaw. I've read a little on this NetFront browser, but I don't know how I feel about PAYING for yet another browser.
Oh, and MiniMo/Fennec drags my device to a crawl, so that's no good...

You could try Iris Browser: no flash support but it a good browser.
D'rath
PS: FEnnec is an alpha version

Thanks, D'rath! Iris works WONDERFULLY! All the nice things that Opera offers (tabs, 'flick' scrolling, accelerometer screen tilt) and it actually displays the images I ask for!

D'rath

Verizon Tp2 user has a couple questions...

I have just recently got my Tp2 from verizon and have been playing with it for a few days now. I have been on this website for the past couple of days and have learned a few things to do with my new phone. The only thing Ive done so far is dl and install a HDWall wallpaper and skyfire for whenever I need flash. I have been looking around to maybe make a theme on Tp2 but making th tabs and clock translucent/transparent. From what I have found this isn't possible with my phone yet or if it is, it is buggy. Is this true or not? If not can someone point me in the right direction for me to get it on my phone. Next, I've noticed my phones memory is around %55-60. I was just wondering if this is normal? Does the HD wallpaper up the memory a lot? I know there is a program called cleanram that can help free up some memory, but will it do that much for me? I havent read into it fully yet but plan on it in the next couple of days. Thank you guys and gals for your time and patience.

I'd say that's just about normal. I only have a twitter app loaded in, and I do occasional browsing on opera when I'm out and about and I lock in at 68% or so. I think that the app is causing a memory leak, but no big.
I also found a good cleanup app on PPCGeeks that really sped up my TP2. I'm on verizon as well, and I'd recommend it. As to the transparent tabs, curtains and clocks, every one that I've installed has caused issues and I hope things get a little more stable in the next few weeks.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=84404
(thread for Touch Pro2 Cleanup)

kyle244948 said:
I have just recently got my Tp2 from verizon and have been playing with it for a few days now. I have been on this website for the past couple of days and have learned a few things to do with my new phone. The only thing Ive done so far is dl and install a HDWall wallpaper and skyfire for whenever I need flash. I have been looking around to maybe make a theme on Tp2 but making th tabs and clock translucent/transparent. From what I have found this isn't possible with my phone yet or if it is, it is buggy. Is this true or not? If not can someone point me in the right direction for me to get it on my phone. Next, I've noticed my phones memory is around %55-60. I was just wondering if this is normal? Does the HD wallpaper up the memory a lot? I know there is a program called cleanram that can help free up some memory, but will it do that much for me? I havent read into it fully yet but plan on it in the next couple of days. Thank you guys and gals for your time and patience.
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As far as your ram situation, that is normal with the stock TP2. Mine was also fresh out of the box and it showed the same percentage you have. You have to install a registry editor and go through the following process. (The cab for the registry editor is attached to this post)
Using your registry editor, navigate to “HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy” and change “ShareMemSize” to 0. By the way, if you want Opera to show up in HTC’s task manager, go to “HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\ExclusiveList\System” and delete "Opera9.exe."
Now to avoid Opera from running on the startup. Use this registry tweak to close opera with Task manager
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\TerminateProcess
* There, create a DWORD with the name Opera9.exe value "1"
I learned through this forum that when you tap the X on opera or even close it through the menu options, it only minimizes it instead of actually closing it. This is to produce a faster page load whenever you open opera, thus appearing as if it loads fast. While its running in the background, its actually refreshing your favorite pages at set intervals to keep the content fresh so when you open opera, all the content of the page is already downloaded on your device. Unfortunately this comes at a cost of 2 things, ram, and battery life. Applying these tweaks is a matter of preference. You either choose a faster loading browser in opera, or more ram and battery life. I hope this helps. Enjoy.

Thanks for the reply..After posting this last night I did install the verizon tweeks cab and it has helped my memory drop tremendously (low-mid 40's) So thats nice. Thanks again for your input.

care to share it?

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Now to avoid Opera from running on the startup. Use this registry tweak to close opera with Task manager
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\TerminateProcess
* There, create a DWORD with the name Opera9.exe value "1"
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Ok is it safe to assume that in the "TerminateProcess" folder of the registry, this is only allowing me to kill opera, not really stopping it from loading, right?

Sting32 said:
Ok is it safe to assume that in the "TerminateProcess" folder of the registry, this is only allowing me to kill opera, not really stopping it from loading, right?
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You are absolutely correct. But once you kill it, it will only load when you open it, and when you close it, it really closes. This registry edit only takes away the ability for Opera to "smart minimize" only and not close. When you apply that edit, it will actually close instead of "smart minimizing" all of the time. This option was only put in so opera is always refreshing your favorites keeping the content up to date so that when you "opened" Opera, it would appear to be a "faster" loading browser, but in essences it just keeps the content fresh in the background costing you battery life and ram. Hope this clears things up.