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http://preinsiders.com/home/2009/06/26/palm-pre-mojo-sdk-download-leaked-to-the-web/
wonder if any developers can port it over to G1?
im down for testing
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Ditto.
I just downloaded the SDK and I'm gonna poke around a bit, see what I can see.
From what I heard Android is going to have some competition with palm pre. Only problem they have is 1 phone, where we have multiple and growing.
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Android only had one phone for a long time.
I wouldn't really say that Android has some competition because of the Pal Pre.
The Palm Pre is just another phone in the same genre. (iPhone, BB Storm, N97, most WM phones.)
I would actually worry less about the Palm Pre then some of the others. Yeah there are some die hard Palm fans - but realistically they haven't done **** worth mentioning since the Palm Pilot, and even that was pretty full of fail sauce.
Hero looks better and the stock Tmo firmware is more functional then the Pre, and the Pre is even more under powered then the G1 is.
eventhough it would be great to have the pre interface on the g1, it is impossible! the pre has a 800 Mhz processor to administrate better speeds to the multitasking portion of the OS, and the g1 is 528 MHz with 192 MB RAM, 256 MB ROM. good luck!!
ps. this is the same reason why the HTC hero build cant be succesfully ported to the g1,......that and the internal memory sucks ass.........viva la g1.......!?
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Android only had one phone for a long time.
I wouldn't really say that Android has some competition because of the Pal Pre.
The Palm Pre is just another phone in the same genre. (iPhone, BB Storm, N97, most WM phones.)
I would actually worry less about the Palm Pre then some of the others. Yeah there are some die hard Palm fans - but realistically they haven't done **** worth mentioning since the Palm Pilot, and even that was pretty full of fail sauce.
Hero looks better and the stock Tmo firmware is more functional then the Pre, and the Pre is even more under powered then the G1 is.
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you need to do your research sir. the g1 is way underpowered compared to the Pre, in just about every way. the Pre has a much faster processor one that can almost double the g1's a better graphics chip. more ram,more internal storage, brighter screen, more functional camera.
I hate to say this but when it comes to hardware the g1 cant compete with the Pre. if the Pre is given time to iron out the kinks android is gonna have to step it up. The Pre has done in a few weeks what took android months.
ps. i absolutely spite the Pre my brother has one. I'd take my g1 over the Pre any day but, it truly is the better phone (hardware) wise, and to get the g1 to run its os at anything better than halfspeed will be a miracle i would be willing to see.
good luck
I think its (Pre) biggest downside is that it is on the Sprint network exclusively. I wouldnt buy any phone on their network, regardless of how good it is.
its announced that pre has an exclusive contract, but ATT will be carrying the also. release date not released yet.
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its announced that pre has an exclusive contract, but ATT will be carrying the also. release date not released yet.
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there is soo much competition inside at&t.
pre vs. landcaster vs. Iphone
idk y smartphone comanies would sign with at&t, better off with a company that dont have that many
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http://preinsiders.com/home/2009/06/26/palm-pre-mojo-sdk-download-leaked-to-the-web/
wonder if any developers can port it over to G1?
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This was not leaked it was intentionally released like all the other leaks to get some feedback.
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there is soo much competition inside at&t.
pre vs. landcaster vs. Iphone
idk y smartphone comanies would sign with at&t, better off with a company that dont have that many
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They will sign with every company they can to get their phones out there. Palm especially. They want to get all the phones out there that they can because WebOS can be their salvation. So much is riding on it they have to.
Personally, I would not choose ATT but here is why they do. Apple had a GSM device. They could choose between TMo or ATT. ATT is the better choice because, although the first iPhone was 2G, ATT has a better 3G network right now. Palm makes both devices so they are putting it out for CDMA and GSM. Just my $0.02
Why not have a good carrier that gives you lots of options for phones........i dont understand your mentality alexjzim
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This was not leaked it was intentionally released like all the other leaks to get some feedback.
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I think it's a little coincidental that the SDK was released the same day that Palm expanded the SDK program. Unless this is the expansion
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Why not have a good carrier that gives you lots of options for phones........i dont understand your mentality alexjzim
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im not saying its bad for AT&T, im saying that its bad for smart phone companies having competition inside at&t
if ppl dont get it, i dont rlly feel like explaining it. one day u'll sit you'll sit in your chair and then say "i get it"
Do you think it will ever be possible for Android to have multi-tasking like the Pre does?
That's the one thing I'm really really evious of.
Sure, the G1 has multitasking, but switching between applications is a pain in the ass, even with Task Switcher. I love the "cards" and the swiping left and right.
- Would it ever be possible to get that (or better multitasking in general) on Android?
- Are there any other apps that help with multi-tasking other than Task Switcher? (Or home button long press)
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Actually, after some searching around on www.cyrket.com, I just found the amazingness of Bar Control + Useful Switchers. Wow, I can't believe I ever used this phone without them. That helps a TON.
Of course, if anyone has any other tips for multi-tasking, I'm all ears!
the g1 can multi task but nothing close to what the pre can do. once again look at the specs for each phone.
You guys are comparing the G1 to the Palm Pre which is not fair being that the G1 is old right now in Tech. Years, why not compare G1's sister the T-Mobile myTouch to the Palm Pre and we'll see who's better. Obviously Android is still new to the game but give it sometime and with all these Android OS phones coming it's time to give iPhone a rest but bottom line I won't trade my G1 for nothing unless it was an upgraded one with camera flash and new hardware but don't take away QWERTY I needs that!
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You guys are comparing the G1 to the Palm Pre which is not fair being that the G1 is old right now in Tech. Years, why not compare G1's sister the T-Mobile myTouch to the Palm Pre and we'll see who's better. Obviously Android is still new to the game but give it sometime and with all these Android OS phones coming it's time to give iPhone a rest but bottom line I won't trade my G1 for nothing unless it was an upgraded one with camera flash and new hardware but don't take away QWERTY I needs that!
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The myTouch is almost identical to the G1 in terms of hardware, save for the lack of a keyboard, and increased memory...
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The myTouch is almost identical to the G1 in terms of hardware, save for the lack of a keyboard, and increased memory...
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Besides that it has a 900/2100MHz processor with 288MB of RAM which is better than the Palm Pre's also which is why it is better compared than the G1 so they are not the same.
Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
HTC in my experience is awefull build quality. After owning four diferent models I have vowed never to own one again. Shame really, apart from the poor camera selection they are designed really well ..... just a shame they fall to bits.
Out of your list, would have to be TG01.
Have you looked at the new Omnia II's? (not the Omnia HD) Theres a full on Iphone/HD lookie-likely and two keyboard models, one a TP2 type and one a blackberry type.
Don't forget the Acer M900 (which is what I currently use) and the more pocket friendly F900.
Touch Pro 2 definetly
Because keyboard is a must for me!
Merge threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4181275#post4181275
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Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
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I had windows mobile and even though preference is a matter of perspective.... windows might be a step in the wrong direction. Back when I had it windows was ahead of its time... but now it seems like its standing still ... like its been stagnant for the last 3 yrs I haven't seen any major differences...from android to winmo is going Back to resistive touch screens... with not so finger friendly gestures because the screens tend to not pick up on the motion... I would really love to see MS step it up and release a new os or 7.0 which I hope makes a major difference. Dont get me wrong for business i would only use winmo or BB... but at this point Android just seems like a wiser choice... its not an ancient OS that will probably bore you quickly. All the phones sound great ... if you want break down and comparisons then go to infosyncworld.com ... they rate the phones for you.
As somebody who's an advocate of Windows Mobile, my honest opinion is that now isn't a good time to buy a WinMo phone at all, especially not for the first time. The only people I would recommend the current batch of WM phones to are people who already use WM, don't want to learn a different system, and REALLY need a new device.
Here's why: Windows Mobile 6 has a real learning curve, and coming from Android you're probably going to find yourself frustrated at a lot of the inconsistencies and complications. Further, WM7 is already on the horizon and I think we'll be getting our first real peeks at it before the year is out. It should be a massive, fundamental overhaul to the way WM works. There's a lot of unanswered questions right now, ESPECIALLY whether WM7 apps will work on WM6 devices and whether it will be possible to upgrade any current WM6 or 6.5 devices to 7. If not, it's possible that application support for WM6 devices might grind to a halt within a year.
If I were in your boots, I'd try to hold on to that G1 as long as you can. By October or November, I think we'll have a better view of the future of WM and it'll be easier to see whether WM will serve your needs going forward.
Now, all this is completely moot if you're rolling in enough dough to just buy a new phone whenever you feel like it. If so, feel free to buy whatever you like.
Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. I really dont care about having to learn how to use windows mobile. Im more interested in the devices themself. My main concern is switching to a device with out a keyboard.
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Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. \\
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Well, that's the problem: we just don't know yet. A lot of people here seem to take it for granted that WM7 will be as "open" as WM6 in terms of porting and the like, but comments from MS make me a lot less confident -- it sounds like WM7 might have much more specific hardware requirements that will keep it from being run on older models. It's POSSIBLE WM7 will be able to be put on, say, a Touch Pro 2, but it's not a foregone conclusion.
All signs point to WM7 being a major upgrade (keep in mind that WM7 has been in development since 6.1 dropped if not longer), and I think it's going to be really disappointing to be stuck with 6.5 once 7 hits.
But if you're looking to roll the dice, the Touch Pro 2 looks like a great phone UNLESS you want to use it as a media player. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a serious weakness there.
yea the 3.5mm jack is a necessity b/c i planned on getting the Motorola S9s or something along that line to use because all of those except the hero are huge or heavy
I personally don’t believe that WM7 will be ready early 2010. It might take until 2011 that we see any WM7device.
TP2 seams currently best HTC choice if you need keyboard. However frankly speaking after having 2 HTC devices (Hermes and Kaiser) with slide keyboards I am not very confident about the durability (quality) of HTC hardware. Both of the devices had after short time issues with the rails and tilt mechanism.
Just recently I went to a shop to have look on the TP2 and the keyboard rails and the tilt seams same crap as previous devices. You can also read many complain in the TP2 section about screen wobbling. Touch HD has a very nice large screen (love large screens) but it is 1 year old technology and performance wise it did not satisfied many people. Furthermore as you are from USA you would need Australian version to able to use in American 3G. But the Device cost still after 1 year some 800-900$
My personal favoured are currently the Samsung Omnia II/i800 and Samsung Omnia II pro (b7610) Specs on the paper and the current reviews are indicating that those are under best devices on the market. Furthermore Samsung has almost entirely covered with additional software the aged WinMo operation platform. Further positive point is the Price. Both Samsung devices are about 100-200 USD cheaper then HTC devices even though they have better CPU; Camera etc.
I agree with Bulldog -- the Omnia II devices look really excellent. I like the design of the TP2 better, but I trust Samsung's build quality more and, feature-wise, it's fantastic.
Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
That for me is an added value to consider before buying
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Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
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Yes you do. This site offers Winmob o/s and Winmob App support to all. If you want cooked roms, look no further than omnia.modaco.com where there are plenty! My Omnia (original one) is currently running a great cooked rom of WM 6.5
Lets also not forget the AMOLED screen either on the new Omnias. I really regret buying my Acer M900, not because its crap - its not - but the new Samsungs look simply stunning. And if you factor in the success of the Omnia, widely regarded as the best Winmob all-rounder, the new Omnias should be spanking!
I know that the Leo has a better processor. Unfortunately I am on verizon and I am in need of a new phone. The touch pro2 seems like an amazing phone but I am worried about how future proof it will be. From what I read up on, the touch pro2 is supposed to be short lived. So I must ask, does anyone think there will be a time in the next year when the touch pro2 wont be able to handle something from the leo or any other snapdragon/tegra device? I know it wont handle it as well, but what are the possibilities of it not handling the program at all? Of course, this is purely speculation, but I just want to see what your opinions are.
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I know that the Leo has a better processor. Unfortunately I am on verizon and I am in need of a new phone. The touch pro2 seems like an amazing phone but I am worried about how future proof it will be. From what I read up on, the touch pro2 is supposed to be short lived. So I must ask, does anyone think there will be a time in the next year when the touch pro2 wont be able to handle something from the leo or any other snapdragon/tegra device? I know it wont handle it as well, but what are the possibilities of it not handling the program at all? Of course, this is purely speculation, but I just want to see what your opinions are.
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Get an HTC TOUCH HD2 mate !!
Here is a comparison of HTC TOUCH HD2 vs HTC TOUCH HD.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8348
He's on a US CDMA carrier. Chances are if the HD2 does make it to the US, it'll be 2-3 months before an unlocked US GSM version with American bands, and another 1-2 months before any carriers (CDMA or GSM) pick it up. So... if a phone needs to be purchased any time soon, the HD2 is out of the question.
As for your question, do I think the TP2 will be short lived? Maybe, I think the HD2 is what HTC hopes to be the last hurrah before WM7. If you look at the roadmap that was leaked a while ago for this year, the only device that has not been released yet is the Athena replacement. I don't know if the original Athena was released on VZ, but the Athena replacement is the last phone to be on HTC's leak from earlier this year.
Touch pro 2 does not meet the minimum requirements of Windows Phone 7 but that does not mean that it won't be a phone that lasts. People are still using Hermes phones today. The Qualcomm 7200 processesors in the HD, Diamond 2 and Touch pro 2 will still likly be comparable to other Windows Phone 6.5 devices.
If you dream about having a Windows Phone 7 device when it comes out then hold out the TP2 may not be able to support it. If 6.5 is good enough for you then it's a great phone.
Thanks for the replies guys. My phone just bit the dust so I am really looking into what I can use for awhile. I looked up the leaked windows mobile 7 requirments and am sad to see that the tp2 wont meet that. But, then again, nothing out now or coming out soon will meet that. Hopefully some of these smart rom makers will be able to get us wm7 when we dont meet those requirements.
So basically its either grab the tp2 or wait for the motorola droid. I am not sure how impressed I am with android though. From what we have seen from the droid, it looks good. But I have not been impressed by the past android devices. What do you all think, both on the chance winmo 7 will run on current devices and the choice between the tp2 and droid?
Hmm well I think your choices are fairly limited if you want a new phone now. The TP2 is the same old slow **** we are used to from HTC for years. It will simply not compare to a phone with a modern chipset. Now, I don't have an HD2 yet (though it has been ordered) but I have played with TG01 which - though sometimes also laggy - completely blows the TP2 out of the water.
Not just the TG01 either. The Samsung Omnia II, Omnia Pro, and Armani 2 also completely blow the TP2 away. In fact, I have two TP2's and they have been gathering dust with virtually no use, in favor of the Samsung's, because the TP2 is just so godawfully slow.
The TP2 is in no way future-proof, it will not be able to keep up with your granny, and you will enjoy it a lot less than you might hope. It's a shameful display, scrap metal.
Then again, as I recall the better devices are not available in the US, so you're pretty much stuck with it... but believe me you're not getting your monies worth from it.
As for WM7, the rumor is the kernel testing device is an i780, which cannot keep up with even the TP2. So it's probably technically possible with some hacking to run WM7 on the thing. As for future apps not being able to run, it's quite possible for a handful of apps, though I would not call it likely until we hit WM7.
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Hmm well I think your choices are fairly limited if you want a new phone now. The TP2 is the same old slow **** we are used to from HTC for years. It will simply not compare to a phone with a modern chipset. Now, I don't have an HD2 yet (though it has been ordered) but I have played with TG01 which - though sometimes also laggy - completely blows the TP2 out of the water.
Not just the TG01 either. The Samsung Omnia II, Omnia Pro, and Armani 2 also completely blow the TP2 away. In fact, I have two TP2's and they have been gathering dust with virtually no use, in favor of the Samsung's, because the TP2 is just so godawfully slow.
The TP2 is in no way future-proof, it will not be able to keep up with your granny, and you will enjoy it a lot less than you might hope. It's a shameful display, scrap metal.
Then again, as I recall the better devices are not available in the US, so you're pretty much stuck with it... but believe me you're not getting your monies worth from it.
As for WM7, the rumor is the kernel testing device is an i780, which cannot keep up with even the TP2. So it's probably technically possible with some hacking to run WM7 on the thing. As for future apps not being able to run, it's quite possible for a handful of apps, though I would not call it likely until we hit WM7.
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Yea I am definitely stuck in the US. Plus I want a hardware keyboard. So that takes out a lot of them. From a strictly verizon bound device, what would you recommend chainfire?
Also, thanks for the info on the i780. Thats something that brightened up my outlook on winmo7.
Side note: I played around with the tp2 and liked it and thought it was pretty fast. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't been able to touch a device with modern chipsets.
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Yea I am definitely stuck in the US. Plus I want a hardware keyboard. So that takes out a lot of them. From a strictly verizon bound device, what would you recommend chainfire?
Also, thanks for the info on the i780. Thats something that brightened up my outlook on winmo7.
Side note: I played around with the tp2 and liked it and thought it was pretty fast. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't been able to touch a device with modern chipsets.
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I think with your requirements the TP2 is pretty much the only "choice" you have, though I am not intimate with what Verizon has on offer.
The question (for you - and only you can answer this) is, do you want to spend the ****load of money the TP2 will cost you on a device like the TP2 ? Perhaps you would be better off bridging the period until HD2+kb release with a dumbphone, or whatever. That's a personal thing, I don't know how the contract structure works with Verizon, how much it'll cost you, what you have to spend, how long you will be stuck with it, etc. And then, it is matter of how heavily those different parts of the equation weigh for you.
You just need to be aware of what you are buying - if you are, and are happy with it, great.
The new rumor is that the HD 2 cdma, the HTC Passion, will soon be in Verizon stores powered by Android 2.0
It may be time to wait , at least a little while longer.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/10/25/mystery-htc-android-handset-has-a-name-and-a-carrier/
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I think with your requirements the TP2 is pretty much the only "choice" you have, though I am not intimate with what Verizon has on offer.
The question (for you - and only you can answer this) is, do you want to spend the ****load of money the TP2 will cost you on a device like the TP2 ? Perhaps you would be better off bridging the period until HD2+kb release with a dumbphone, or whatever. That's a personal thing, I don't know how the contract structure works with Verizon, how much it'll cost you, what you have to spend, how long you will be stuck with it, etc. And then, it is matter of how heavily those different parts of the equation weigh for you.
You just need to be aware of what you are buying - if you are, and are happy with it, great.
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Hmmmm. I am going to have to look this over more. I hope an hd2+kb comes out soon, but I think that would be 6months or so (especially in the US) before we ever see that coming about. Ideally, I would want to go with a phone that you mentioned thats better than the tp2. Perhaps in a year we may see some of those hit verizon or others with 7 already installed on them. Speculation is killing me as I want to wait it out, but don't know how long I can last. I use my phone pretty heavily for business purposes. Given htc's track record, when would you predict an hd2+kb would be out?
EDIT: I posted the above before I saw denco's bit. Any word as to when it should be in stores? In the past I haven't been all that impressed with android, but maybe 2.0 will turn a new leaf for me.
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Hmmmm. I am going to have to look this over more. I hope an hd2+kb comes out soon, but I think that would be 6months or so (especially in the US) before we ever see that coming about. Ideally, I would want to go with a phone that you mentioned thats better than the tp2. Perhaps in a year we may see some of those hit verizon or others with 7 already installed on them. Speculation is killing me as I want to wait it out, but don't know how long I can last. I use my phone pretty heavily for business purposes. Given htc's track record, when would you predict an hd2+kb would be out?
EDIT: I posted the above before I saw denco's bit. Any word as to when it should be in stores? In the past I haven't been all that impressed with android, but maybe 2.0 will turn a new leaf for me.
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InfoSync said soon, but all others say early next year, check out the link for more rumored Verizon future offering
http://theunlockr.com/2009/10/25/mystery-htc-android-handset-has-a-name-and-a-carrier/
Just saw this Video.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_handset_running_windows_phone_7_caught_in_the_wild-news-1477.php
The specs are really awesome, 1GB of RAM!!!
Also winmo & looks pretty slick, I was thiking of getting a android phone end of this year. But with this coming up I am not sure what to do. When are they going to come up with phones that can boot multiple OS system. (could have tried palm pre OS too )
The only other phone I heard coming up which would have better specs than this is the HTC scorpion.
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I was thiking of getting a android phone end of this year.
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Wait until it's time to upgrade, then ask again.
It makes zero sense to think about this now. A lot will change until the end of the year (lots of Android phones coming out and LG will not be the only company making WP7 devices).
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Just saw this Video.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_handset_running_windows_phone_7_caught_in_the_wild-news-1477.php
The specs are really awesome, 1GB of RAM!!!
Also winmo & looks pretty slick, I was thiking of getting a android phone end of this year. But with this coming up I am not sure what to do. When are they going to come up with phones that can boot multiple OS system. (could have tried palm pre OS too )
The only other phone I heard coming up which would have better specs than this is the HTC scorpion.
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And here is an HD 2 running WP 7. http://www.winmo.nl/windows-phone-7-series-draait-op-de-htc-hd2/
There are no phones currently out with WP 7, M$ is just testing chassis requirements . It seems the base requirement is going to be a 1 Ghz processor. By the time WP 7 is officially released in 3Q 2010, believe me there will be a bunch of phones from HTC, LG, and others loaded with or upgradable to WP7S.
http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?lang=1033&id=124244
That page you linked to is unlikely to be legit, there is no confirmation that the HD2 is able to run Windows Phone 7. In addition, I'm not sure they're going to offer upgrades, because phones like the Toshiba TG02 and K01 are launching with 6.5.3 with no indication of an upgrade.
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that hd2 will be your best mobile
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That page you linked to is unlikely to be legit, there is no confirmation that the HD2 is able to run Windows Phone 7. In addition, I'm not sure they're going to offer upgrades, because phones like the Toshiba TG02 and K01 are launching with 6.5.3 with no indication of an upgrade.
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The site is legit, it is the Dutch Engaget or Boy Genius Report, whether the pics are legit or not, who knows, but all the US rumor sites are picking up on them and the general concensus is that the HD 2 has the hardware to be upgradable
http://www.redmondpie.com/htc-hd2-to-get-windows-mobile-7-upgrade-9140128/
Yep, the HD2 specs will be able to handle WM7.
I completely agree that the specs meet the requirements, but the question is whether it will happen (either due to the efforts of HTC or the community here at XDA).
I don't mean to **** in your cheerios or anything. But that site says IF that phone is the RUMORED LG Apollo then it will probably have 1gig ram etc. All that article says for sure is that it's a WM7 phone. I won't hold my breath.
B4 winmo 7 came out, the choice was too obvious, get Android (unless you want break the promises you made to yourself and get an IPHONE). Now my contract finishes beginning of Q3, and I was thinking of getting HTC desire. Now back to confusion, LG 1GB vs HTC desire 512Mb, Android with 20,000 apps Vs Microsoft WiMo. Hopefully we will get more info about winmo 7 soon.
Motorola XT720 Motoroi.
That's what I'm going to buy as my next phone
Bye HD2...
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And here is an HD 2 running WP 7. http://www.winmo.nl/windows-phone-7-series-draait-op-de-htc-hd2/
There are no phones currently out with WP 7, M$ is just testing chassis requirements . It seems the base requirement is going to be a 1 Ghz processor. By the time WP 7 is officially released in 3Q 2010, believe me there will be a bunch of phones from HTC, LG, and others loaded with or upgradable to WP7S.
http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?lang=1033&id=124244
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Well now I hear that;s not true http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2_doesnt_qualify_for_a_windows_phone_7_upgrade-news-1479.php
One main thing I was looking forward to in my new phone is high speed processor, 1Ghz. Motoroi is slow too I already have Xperia.
Okay im not a tech savvy person here but...
HD2 was able to switch from WinMobile 6.5 to Android to WinPhone 7
Is there anything preventing developers from making an unofficial port of wp7 to wp8?
Is the core structure that vast that we cant repeat history like the HD2?
Who knows, maybe HD2 will be the first to run unofficial WP8 XDD
Just a theory, feel free to debunk me straight away
With the change in kernel, it is nearly impossible i think
HD2 was able to run WP just because it was a WM 6.5 device and WM6.5 and WP7 share the same Windows CE kernel
I think we will only be able to get to WP 7.8 due to the CE to NT kernel change
(but even that will hopefully give us the full Skype integration that I want so much and a multitude of other features)
Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
What kind of kernel?
guilhermedsx said:
Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that.
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I don't understand: What kernel supporting legacy hardware are you talking about here? Where will this come from, who will provide it?
I think we are right at the center of the problem here: Of course Microsoft could provide all kinds of device drivers for WP8 so that it could run on current WP7 phones, but decided against it - probably just too much costly work with almost no gain or even active opposition from manufacturers who want to sell new phones.
Yeah its got to be about getting the new devices sold, increase the market share. Besides, The gpu's and ram in our current phones won't be able to keep up with the new devices even when the new core with its native code stuff comes. Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable. I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable.
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Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago
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I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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That's really hard to say without anyone actually trying to run WP8 on a current WP7 phone; on the PC front, Windows 8 seems to be faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. And many times and in many apps the CPU inside your phone is boring itself to death anyway because it has so few things to do.
guilhermedsx said:
Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
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You're talking about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
HD2 was able to boot Android (linux kernel) just because of the support of HaRET. Nothing can be done on it own.
And do remember that "famous HTC devices that are capable of running HaRET are the QSD8250 based HTC HD2 and a wide range of MSM7xxA based phones like the diamond, raphael and touch pro 2". Right now only the HD2 is still alive and its QSD8250 will be outdated soon.
You're talking about replacement like it's so easy. Changing kernel means every vendor has to rewrite everything from scratch including drivers for their devices. WP8 is designed to run on this new kernel (not the old kernel) so it does not support current devices. That's fair i think.
That's what we call changing (unlike 'changing' on Android or iOS, changing every now and then but nothing's new). Just hope that MS wont change too often.
Anyway, it's just only an announcement. The exact date of releasing WP8 is unknown. Right now, we still holding a device that runs a good OS. And even when WP8 is released, my phone's still doing something 'pretty much WP8' with 7.8 update. And can do that until i can afford a WP8 device or when everyone is switching. But that the story of at least 1 year from now.
"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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That would be more realistic )
I think the main issue for MS is that kernel changes require flashing ROMS - high risk of bricking and WAY beyond the ability of most of their market. So why would they invest that level of development in a small niche market that potentially undermines their own market (look at the crossover between developers and hackers/crackers lol). You need to look at the commercial sense of their decisions not your own needs.
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complete faith although ?S
I have complete faith wp8 or an adjusted version of wp8 will be cooked to run on our gen2 devices, heck remember seeing froyo run on the tmobile g1?
And I think that will give our phones better resale value when we do decide to purchase a wp8 handset, i know that's my semi long term goal when I upgrate my handset.
but what I want to know is and i'm not sure if it was covered in the press announcements, say you continue using your gen2 device, will all new upcoming wp8 apps stop working altogether?
for instance what if instagram, pandora, words with friends (which i know is coming) although engineered and designed for wp8 because yes i know its being rewritten differently, will they not work at all on wp7.8?
that's my semi concern, since they were finally able to hspl my titan and once the wp8 sdk (is that what it's called?) gets dumped and chefs get their hands on it, will it only be a matter of time before it is ported to our handsets as well?
I think what msft should have made absolutely clear and i'm not sure if they covered it or if i missed something, if they said "continue using your 7.8 device all apps written in the future will be usable on these devices" if that's the case people shouldn't worry and simply wait for their 2 year carrier contracts to expire and finally upgrade.
the only thing that prevents me from keeping my titan for long term use is that i really really need expandable storage.
@pvt_nemesis: Every single OS or firmware update has the same risk of breaking ("bricking" is a little strong, since it's technically recoverable, but people seem to use the term less strictly these days) a phone as the full kernel flash that you're talking about. There's nothing magical about an OS kernel. The WP7 kernel has almost certainly been replaced at least once by an update already (I'm pretty sure Mango updated part of the kernel).
Cooking a custom ROM of WP8 for WP7 hardware will mostly depend on the availability of drivers, I think. Unlike the current custom ROMs, which take their drivers from current ROMs, the switch from CE to NT will make all the WP7 drivers useless for WP8 ROMs. Therefore, we'll need WP8 (NT-on-ARM) drivers for the hardware of out WP7 devices... and there's no guarantee that it'll be available. It might, though.