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I've very new to all this, having used a non-PDA/smartphone (SE637) for many years before purchasing a Tilt. While quite PC-literate, I find myself very intimidated with all this. I read as much as my mind allows before requiring large quantities of diet-coke -- then I need a nap to calm myself down from the soda before reading any more, or my head explodes.
I think that I need a new ROM, but I'm not sure why! Everywhere I read, that's what I'm told.
This community is very knowledgable and seems very helpful. As this appears to be more for developers than users like me, I'm hesitant to ask my question for fear of offending a developer, which isn't my intent. I'm looking for information that might assist me in choosing which ROM to use.
I suppose that I want the phone to run faster, be easier to use/see (I don't see as well as I did 50 years ago... ), and have the latest of whatever is the best at the moment, spending as little as possible in the process. A truly never-ending story...
Before you start flashing decide what's important to you. Are you looking for a certian look & feel? Is fuctionality more important or do you want spped/stability?
Then research the different Roms, most include feature lists & screen shots in the first few posts of the thread.
So what it really comes down to is a lot of reading.
Oh and be sure to HardSPL your device BEFORE doing anything.
Also, like kyphur said read and do the hardSPL first but for me I found it's most helpful just to try some. Download a few, flash them give it a whirl and see what you like. Once you try a few you'll find options and programs you love and will start looking for roms that have what you need and more importantly what you don't like. And if you never find anything you love then start cooking. There are a lot of great wikis here to guide you step by step.
Hope this helps.
Start with Wiki first. Once you hardspl, load your first rom. You will find how easy it is and start to flash more roms like crazy. Experiment, and then you will find what you like. After flashing your first rom, you will realize how much better your new rom is compare to the stock rom.
just start off by choosing a few roms...then read about it as the chef would describe their rom...see which one fits u most...then make sure u read teh wiki and faq before u actually start ur flashing...to make sure nothing goes wrong...and then if that doesnt fit u..try another rom..but all the roms here...are better than stock for sure
I knew this wasn't going to be easy... Rating system anyone? I suppose I'm also nervous about doing a first flash. What about CID and SIM unlocking?
MarkAtHome said:
I knew this wasn't going to be easy... Rating system anyone? I suppose I'm also nervous about doing a first flash. What about CID and SIM unlocking?
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HardSPL removes the Carrier lock (CID) from your phone. As for SIM unlocking, I haven't bothered yet because I don't travel anywhere that AT&T doesn't provide service.
Once you've done your share of reading, if you are still confused about what type of ROM you are looking for, check out whatever the latest Dutty release is at that point in time. Dutty's Kaiser ROMs are probably the most popular on XDA.
I use a [somewhat] clean ROM myself, with the bare minimum preloaded. This way I can install what I need, and not worry about wasted space for programs I don't use.
eenie meenie minie moe
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however, for Christ sake, please have hardspl installed.
Just pick one by reading the changelogs usually located in the first couple of posts.
P1Tater said:
eenie meenie minie moe
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Yours sounds best!
NotATreoFan said:
HardSPL removes the Carrier lock (CID) from your phone. As for SIM unlocking, I haven't bothered yet because I don't travel anywhere that AT&T doesn't provide service.
Once you've done your share of reading, if you are still confused about what type of ROM you are looking for, check out whatever the latest Dutty release is at that point in time. Dutty's Kaiser ROMs are probably the most popular on XDA.
I use a [somewhat] clean ROM myself, with the bare minimum preloaded. This way I can install what I need, and not worry about wasted space for programs I don't use.
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Is there a Tilt-specific version (currently with ATT's latest released ROM) of HardSPL that avoids all the headaches I'm reading about?
I'm still not sure how this works, but if I were to go Dutty's, should I look for UC - from what I'm gathering, I could then get a minimum ROM version, choose what I want added, then somehow update that bare ROM to include my choices, keeping all my settings in the process? A hard reset, if needed, would restore the new UC basic ROM along with what I added -- do I have this right?
MarkAtHome said:
Is there a Tilt-specific version (currently with ATT's latest released ROM) of HardSPL that avoids all the headaches I'm reading about?
I'm still not sure how this works, but if I were to go Dutty's, should I look for UC - from what I'm gathering, I could then get a minimum ROM version, choose what I want added, then somehow update that bare ROM to include my choices, keeping all my settings in the process? A hard reset, if needed, would restore the new UC basic ROM along with what I added -- do I have this right?
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The version of HardSPL required is determined by what version SPL that is on your phone. If you reboot your phone in bootloader mode, you will see a version number for SPL. As long as you follow the directions for that version, you will be fine.
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The version of HardSPL required is determined by what version SPL that is on your phone. If you reboot your phone in bootloader mode, you will see a version number for SPL. As long as you follow the directions for that version, you will be fine.
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Thanks, NotATreoFan. I found info on what a bootloader is, and this is the info displayed:
KAIS1*0
SPL-1.93.0000
CPLD-8
What should my search criteria look like to find the HardSPL that I need to use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
and i think from your spl version you can pretty much guess which one you have to use
XtreMe_G said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
and i think from your spl version you can pretty much guess which one you have to use
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Thanks for the help, XtreMe_G. Just so I have this straight, out of the 4 files listed, I only need to download and run JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.zip and I'm done? The Tilt is now prepared to accept any appropriate ROM?
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Thanks for the help, XtreMe_G. Just so I have this straight, out of the 4 files listed, I only need to download and run JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.zip and I'm done? The Tilt is now prepared to accept any appropriate ROM?
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You need JumpSPL to get started, and then you need HardSPL to flash. 2 zip files total. Memorize the steps prior to starting, and do NOT skip any of them for any reason...
man...I thought I gave you advice yesterday on what to do. Literally, thousands of people have hardspl their roms just fine. Even a couple blonde girls in this forum have done it. It is not that hard and you shouldn't have too much trouble. Just follow the instructions and you will be just fine. After your first flash, you will move couple levels up in knowledge.
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You need JumpSPL to get started, and then you need HardSPL to flash. 2 zip files total. Memorize the steps prior to starting, and do NOT skip any of them for any reason...
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Will do ask you suggest. Just a thought... by doing this, will anything on my phone be affected (programs, settings, etc.)? I'm, obviously nervous about all this, and while I will follow your instructions with hardSPL, I'm not yet ready to flash a ROM.
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man...I thought I gave you advice yesterday on what to do. Literally, thousands of people have hardspl their roms just fine. Even a couple blonde girls in this forum have done it. It is not that hard and you shouldn't have too much trouble. Just follow the instructions and you will be just fine. After your first flash, you will move couple levels up in knowledge.
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Your information was very valuable. I just needed a little more detail to help calm my nerves...
With all of the (most likely false) articles coming out saying cupcake will be released this week (from what ive heard, good luck getting it by march) everyone is asking "Will rooted G1s get OTA updates?
No, you will not (if you have rooted your phone properly (this means you have JF's latest rom)) receive the OTA update. Technically you might receive it, but it will fail to install if you do. This was done on purpose because if it succeeded you would lose root. Shortly after the OTA updates are released, various members of the G1 "hacking" (yeah, term doesnt quite fit, but it will work for now) community will intercept it, tear it apart, remove all the mean mean code that steals our precious root, maybe add some fun new stuff and then release another modified rom in its place.
If you suddenly decide you do not want root anymore (I am guessing you are too lazy to download the update manually) you can use the RC29 downgrade nbh file found on various threads here, or in my wiki (see my signature) to go back to an official RC29 which would then let you receive OTA updates normally.
duhh lol this should be a board annocuments
I've heard some people saying they got the update but I dont see how that is possible. Wasnt google says like a 2 weeks ago that cupcake isnt close to being ready for the public? The only thing I can think of would be and update to support paid apps. I figured if cupcake was launching someone on here would have announced it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't downgrading to RC29 while still rooted just give you RC29 with test keys still enabled? Wouldn't you also need to reflash your recovery partition as well to the stock one?
the rc29 will flash the recovery also the only thing you would be left with is the boot loader
Frankly, we'll all probably have a modified Cupcake before most G1 consumers actually have Cupcake. Google rolls out the updates really slowly. There's no reason to downgrade.
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the rc29 will flash the recovery also the only thing you would be left with is the boot loader
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Good to know, my g1 has a bad wifi module and I need to restore it and send it back. I figured I would experiment with rooting the defective one first in case it went wrong.
Come to think of it, my wifi reception problem could be an antenna problem which could explain my weak 3g reception, or it might just be the 3g network...
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I've heard some people saying they got the update but I dont see how that is possible. Wasnt google says like a 2 weeks ago that cupcake isnt close to being ready for the public? The only thing I can think of would be and update to support paid apps. I figured if cupcake was launching someone on here would have announced it.
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there is going to be a video recorder FINALLY... rumors rumors lol
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the rc29 will flash the recovery also the only thing you would be left with is the boot loader
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bzzzzzt. wrong answer . the RC29 nbh also flashes the bootloader.
MY bad i meant the Engineering SPL wouldnt that still be left?
hmm....so the new cupcake update coming out will close root again? that is so stupid, why wont they just let it be.
granted, like mentioned above, some of our famed and hard working G1 modders will probably have a modded rom with the whole cupcake update on it before everyone would have recieved the OTA anyway.
we'll see what happens i guess, but not for nothing, im really looking forward to the Cupcake updated features and abilities
im almost tempted to just revert back to RC29 just to get the official OTA and see how it is, but then again, whos to say it wont take months for me to get it.
As a note for all those who read my post and thought "yeah, I am lazy, I might as well downgrade and let the OTA's come." you might want to rethink it. If you downgrade, and the new OTA reflashes your system to not accept the RC29 downgrade, you might never get root again. And yes, this is entirely possible.
If you have root, I would not risk it for laziness or eagerness to have the latest OTA because history shows JF has had modified updates in less than 24 hours (I think they were all about 3-5 hours later) after the OTA's were first found.
i wholey agree with that. i definatly dont want to be locked out of root again. although i dont use it as much as others, root is good to have if needed to use it for something.
It would be stupid to downgrade to receive the ota. It took 1 month after the release just to get rc29. Waiting for someone to rip apart and modify the cupcake ota will be much quicker than to wait for the ota update yourself plus root access probably will be lost. Just say no to ota!
Anyways if people are so eager to see cupcake in action visit their local tmobile retailer I bet they will have it as soon as it gets out
Downgrade? Revert? Not an option now that I have root, no way I would chance losing it. Good heads up, I was pretty sure (actually was one of the ? i had) before rooting that this would occur. I spent some time here on XDA and realized that I could trust this forum and the devs to support the rooted community.
Thanks to all who make root possible and what it is on the G1!
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Downgrade? Revert? Not an option now that I have root, no way I would chance losing it. Good heads up, I was pretty sure (actually was one of the ? i had) before rooting that this would occur. I spent some time here on XDA and realized that I could trust this forum and the devs to support the rooted community.
Thanks to all who make root possible and what it is on the G1!
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well said ..... thanx much. XDA has helped me start learning this new language. As I stumble through, I find a surprising lack of b.s. and have learned quite a bit ... way thanx, to all ya all
my theory on when the next RC will drop.
They have been slow to get out updates, unless there is a exploit found.
When the bug was found everybody got rc 30 in a few days, I think that the new found downgrade route will speedup the next update to stop downgrading, if the tmob wants to keep the handset locked they will push for a speedy update to stop downgrades.
They also eluded that a beta was close but the holidays would alow it down but they did say it would be january, and if they are late people grumble and lose faith, for a phone that's sold on what it can become not what it is out of the box, losing faith means losing sales...
Bhang
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MY bad i meant the Engineering SPL wouldnt that still be left?
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I am pretty sure flashing an NBH will bring you back to the original SPL. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
They have been slow to get out updates, unless there is a exploit found.
When the bug was found everybody got rc 30 in a few days, I think that the new found downgrade route will speedup the next update to stop downgrading, if the tmob wants to keep the handset locked they will push for a speedy update to stop downgrades.
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The problem that T-Mobile has now is that in order to stop downgrading, HTC would have to make a new SPL that blacklists the signature of RC29 NBH. Google can patch whatever they want, but I'll be able to downgrade immediately just by putting the NBH file on my sdcard and flash it via SPL
I'm curious as to why everyone assumes that the next update will make moves specifically to remove/block root for those who have it?
My understanding/interpretations of the press relases surrounding RC30 was that it was intended to fix the massive security risk in RC29. Perhaps I've missed something, but I've not seen anything that Google or T-Mobile have done specifically to counteract the "hacker" community, the blocking of the rooting method being "colateral damage" from the security fix. If the superuser method can be used to safely provide root access couldn't this be rolled Android itself? It's over my head but has this question been posed to powers that be at http://source.android.com/?
Hey all, Ill only ask this once, (Since after this time, Ill know for future updates and be on the right path =) )since this G1 is so new dev wise, its getting confusing when im studying everything all at once and only updated rooted once to the custom RC30. I saw the newer update is RC33, now when I apply that, is it required EACH TIME to wipe the device? Im asking cause it would be a pain to reinstall each app I had installed there to begin with. I know I wiped the 1st time I rooted and updated. So just wanted to check.
Also whats the new additions in these updates? Any good changelogs out there? I kinda like keeping the Tmobile US stuff on mine, but root access is awesome. =)
Thanks for any update tips out there atm.
Edit, My G1 is still on Firmware 1.1 is that a seperate update or how is everyone updating that with the custom stuff? Thanks. (And do I need that FW update before going RC33?)
Nope, you won't lose anything when you upgrade the firmware normally. Going from JF RC30 to JF RC33 should be fine
Check the stickied topic on the top of the forum to find out more:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475381
The changelog is somewhere in there.
Thank you. =) I didnt read that one since it was talking about for UK users. Heh. Least it explained things a lil more. =DDD
What about the firmware? Seems Ill have to do the new radio too, but wondering.. is that radio one for US too or only uk? Since its in a UK thread. =/
Nah, it's not a UK topic. He just modifies the title when he adds something new. The radio should be for the US version. Just download the radio and JF RC33 and throw them on your microSD (one at a time obviously, named update.zip).
Firmware 1.1 is just like the base firmware number, you can ignore that. Firmware 1.5 (I think) is cupcake, so you get the idea.
Ok so the firmware is nothing major atm to update or would you still upset it? I havent looked into cupcake yet.
No, completely ignore the firmware number, the only numbers you want to look at are RC30, 33, etc...
Ok this is odd. I updated fine to RC33, however when I try to get back in recovery mode to apply the radio rom, it wont go into the recovery mode. It just keeps rebooting to the G1 screen when im holding the home button. Anyone seen that before or how to get back into the recovery mode?
Anyone have any ideas?
Hope someone can help with a few things
i have a UK Magic on vodafone, updated to crb43
Then I wanted to try the google ion rom (not haykuro, the image released elsewhere) as it was faster and had voide dialing
I used the new-recovery to install it, booting it from fastboot rather than flashing it. I made a nandroid backup first.
Anyways, I wanted to go back to default rom and OTA updates, so thought i'd restore my backup.
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I've done this, but had to flash the new haykuro spl...
My question is will i get OTA updates with this SPL?
I cant find the stock spl anywhere for download, whats the hard spl - does it exist for the magic or just the dream???
Basically i just want the simplicity i started with not bothered with root.
really? no one knows?
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really? no one knows?
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Hi dazcox5181,
The answer is a few posts below yours.
I haven't tried myself as I'm very happy with my rooted Magic.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3857151&postcount=10
Thanks, I thought that might have something to do with it.
Now back to Voda system, data and recovery with the spl linked above. Should that now get me back to being tied to vodafones OTA updates?
I'm new to Android, so I'm not sure how much of a restriction / or not this is? Are OTA updates common/regular/likely to add anything worthwhile (well, I guess cupcake was...but you probably all had that anyway)
Thanks, with a bit more research I finally stumbled on the solution.
Had to restore to crb17 from the link on the thread above, and then flash the original recovery in fastboot, then the OTA update to crb43 worked perfectly!
Phew!
I'll probably re-root sooner or later, can't help but play around on this device :0 so much more to play with than my iPhone he he
Apologies if this thread annoys anyone who says I should have searched better to start with, I did, and read many threads but theres a lot to take in!
Anyways, maybe someone else has same problem and this might have helped
and to make it easier for future searchers could you compile a detailed list of step-by-step instructions for doing this? Could be handy for a wiki somewhere
OK, will add details later, but briefly
To restore to factory:
1) Download and follow instructions to flash the crios spl (one with older version reported)
2) Download and follow included instructions to flash the SFR CRB17 image using included recovery.img (boot dont flash it)
3) Download and flash original recovery image (again from crios) can be found at thread linked earlier in this one.
Reboot, and go through usual setup etc OTA update will be on its way
Be sure to remove any update.zip from your SD before attempting ther OTA update, ie before first boot if possible
It's actually really easy now I know how, and took about 20min in total (probably less)
Where do you get the SFR CRB17?
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Where do you get the SFR CRB17?
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Here : http://wiki.smartphonefrance.info/firmware-htcmagic.ashx
Hi, folks.
I'm having a bit of a pain point with my new HTC Inspire. After I downgraded the device, the bootloader takes forever to do what it needs to do. It stays on a black screen for about five minutes or so, then brings up the HTC white screen, vibrates immediately after that for about two minutes straight (engine burnout seems imminent here), continues booting for another minute or so and then, finally, loads the operating system.
Potentially relevant specs:
HBOOT: 0.85.2007 (PD9812000)
MICROP: 0438
RADIO: 26.03.02.26_M
S-OFF
I think I need to flash something new, but I don't know what. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, guys!
UPDATE: I tried re-flashing PD98IMG; did not work.
take out battery put it back in and while holding down the volume - button power the device on, now you will be in the boot loader and to to factory reset then try everything again
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also this dose not belong in the development section it belongs in Q & A look before you post as this has nothing to do with development, mods please close
A senior member should know this does not belong in the developer forums
Wow; love the help. Thanks, guys.
Buddy, u will get more help if u post ur thoughts & questions in the proper forums. You've been told this before. So in that sense, we ARE helping u.
Right, so this isn't a general problem. I would think issues with bootloaders and such, especially in the context of rooting/unlocking a device, would be issues fit to ask this forum. None of the threads I've searched in Q&A have really helped me, but feel free to continuously tell me I don't know this site.
This is for development. Bottom line. No question of any kind should be posted here. That's why there is a q & a section. The system works if u let it
Well sense this started after you downgraded then I would start over from there. As for where this belongs. ALL questions go into Q&A.
Sorry for all the fuss. I'll make sure things go in the right places next time. Hoping someone can help me here; I just got this phone and would love to start using it!
You said you downgraded. What did you downgrade to?
@Gizmoe: Those instructions called for: 1.32.405.6
You should use "ace hack kit" to return your phone to gingerbread stock with s-on. And then use the same tool to root. It does both and is the most up to date and easy root/return to stock tool for the inspire.
Checking that thread out, I just realised that I did exactly what they warned against: my device shipped with a Gingerbread ROM and I downgraded to the Froyo one as per the Cyanogenmod instructions. I'm downloading the kit as well as the latest stock Gingerbread ROM. Will updating to latest stock ROM with S-ON get me back to where I was?
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Checking that thread out, I just realised that I did exactly what they warned against: my device shipped with a Gingerbread ROM and I downgraded to the Froyo one as per the Cyanogenmod instructions. I'm downloading the kit as well as the latest stock Gingerbread ROM. Will updating to latest stock ROM with S-ON get me back to where I was?
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That's what I assumed. Ace kit should fix you up.
Thanks a lot! Out of curiosity; why does this type of downgrade slow down the bootloader so much? Doing a downgrade on the G2 I had was pretty straightforward (hence why I did this)
Great script. Feel your pain that it was done all in batch, but great script nonetheless.
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Thanks a lot! Out of curiosity; why does this type of downgrade slow down the bootloader so much? Doing a downgrade on the G2 I had was pretty straightforward (hence why I did this)
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I don't know. I have the original hboot so I haven't researched much about it. I just know it was an issue when gingerbread starting rolling out and HTC changed the version of hboot from 0.85.0024 to 0.85.2007.
Interesting. I've finally downloaded the kit; these long boot times make this excruciating, but I'm hoping this resolves it!
The problem is only on fairly recent Inspires (MFG after about Sep. 2011). HTC has shipped them with some different hardware than the earlier ones. The later hardware won't work with the earlier (or the ENG) hboots. I suspect this may be in direct response to AT&T being so anal about tethering. With froyo, you could get by the tethering blocks by editing you APNs. With GB, this ended for most users so many reverted back to froyo to regain tethering.