Perhaps someone can help me understand the situation with retail releases of windows mobile 6.5.
A lot of the roms here seem to be including the 6.5 release that has the big buttons at the bottom of the screen, instead of the cross in the top right hand corner, something that seems to have been in from around from version 23035 and up and a pretty important feature to help make windows 6.5 finger friendly. So why is it every single retail device i have seen online does not have this feature? What else is missing?
These are beta releases for wm6.5.1. It hasn't been released yet, hence beta. Wm6.5 is an official release.
amad99 said:
These are beta releases for wm6.5.1. It hasn't been released yet, hence beta. Wm6.5 is an official release.
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Meaning what? That all the current crop of WM 6.5 devices being released will need to be upgraded to get these features. Assuming that the manufacturer decided to release an update?
ddevey said:
Meaning what? That all the current crop of WM 6.5 devices being released will need to be upgraded to get these features. Assuming that the manufacturer decided to release an update?
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Microsoft said a while ago that after 6.5 but before 7, there will be a version of 6.5 (6.5.1) with a GUI enhancements. These new builds you are seeing are the start of this update that will eventually come.
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Will Htc release the much hyped WM6.1 update for kaiser and what are the changes that are expected.
I wish
More faster ,
better phone functions,
better camera and video,
Most important, less of hanging !!!
It likely will, but even if it does not, you can trust your friendly modding community to cook one for you.
Shadow7789 said:
It likely will, but even if it does not, you can trust your friendly modding community to cook one for you.
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I am pretty curious too, is there any confirmation of this...
I don't really care because Dutty will release one for sure
Way to go Dutty...
how bout the question...will kaiser get WM 7
that was what I was thinking about as well
thomassster said:
how bout the question...will kaiser get WM 7
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By the time WM7 comes out I'm sure there will be a HTC 9225 model out. And hopefully it won't have a 50 cent video driver in it!
I am for sure, WM7 will take at least another year to be released , if not more...
Else we would not have wm6.1
Most of the new handsets details that are leaked from vodafone , show that they have wm6.1
jbmorales said:
By the time WM7 comes out I'm sure there will be a HTC 9225 model out. And hopefully it won't have a 50 cent video driver in it!
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Let's hope not - apparently there's a whole team at MS dedicated to porting Zune technology to the WM platform - how sweet would that be!
The recent leaks about WM7 say that we will not see any WM7 devices until 2009 and according to the other info I have read, I don't see it coming a moment sooner. So hopefully WM 6.1 and XDA will be enough to hold us until then.
The Tilt will get it...
See here for information about the supported devices for System Center Mobile Device Manager 2008 which requires WM 6.1...
If you look up one page at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobiledevicemanager/default.mspx look on the right side of the page.
Currently, the following devices will receive a software update that allows them to work with System Center Mobile Device Manager:
* AT&T Tilt
* AT&T Blackjack II
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It looks like some update is comming.
I think it will get it but it might take some time...
drgopoos said:
Will Htc release the much hyped WM6.1 update for kaiser and what are the changes that are expected.
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Our Hong Kong carrier tells us "Latest updates from HTC re the new ROM development. They will launch Windows Mobile 6.1 for TyTNII in end Feb."
Windows Mobile 6.1 Feature Preview attached.
Hope this is the right place to ask this.
Will both these devices be running on WM 6.5 out of the box or just the Firestone?
I ask because I have seen conflicting reports on this.
I am told that even if the Touch Pro doesn't come with 6.5 it will be offered as an upgrade by HTC as soon as 6.5 is available?
I never got a Touch HD in the end or X1 because I saw 6.5 was on the way & thought I would wait for that & if I am going to get a HTC device I want to know 6.5 will be in the equation.
Your information is correct. If 6.5 comes out before the new phone, the phone will contain 6.5. If the new phone comes out first then it will contain 6.1 and an upgrade will be available.
While I have yet to see a definitive list, the general concensus is the phones that were released in the last year or so Raphael, Diamond , Blackstone, et.al, will have an upgrade to 6.5 available from HTC, the older Touchs, Kaiser, Titan Mogul, will not have 6.5 updates avaiable.
But around here does it really matter what HTC or the carriers choose to make available ?
denco7 said:
Your information is correct. If 6.5 comes out before the new phone, the phone will contain 6.5. If the new phone comes out first then it will contain 6.1 and an upgrade will be available.
While I have yet to see a definitive list, the general concensus is the phones that were released in the last year or so Raphael, Diamond , Blackstone, et.al, will have an upgrade to 6.5 available from HTC, the older Touchs, Kaiser, Titan Mogul, will not have 6.5 updates avaiable.
But around here does it really matter what HTC or the carriers choose to make available ?
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That's interesting to hear as I thought they weren't going to offer 6.5 for devices such as the Touch HD. Be interesting to see if 6.1 and 6.5 devices released in 2008/2009 will be able to be upgraded to WM 7.
While HTC's profits lie in selling new phones and there is no profit in supporting older phones, there is a certain PR standard that has to be maintained. I should think that to not offer an upgrade for a phone that was released less that a year ago ( Blackstone ) wouldn't sit well with many customers and potential buyers.
But as I said, around here it is a rather moot point as I was running a 6.1 rom well before 6.1 came out, and have been running 6.5 for over a month, well that is until M$ issued their cease and desist order, at which point I complied and immediately downgraded to 6.1.
denco7 said:
While HTC's profits lie in selling new phones and there is no profit in supporting older phones, there is a certain PR standard that has to be maintained. I should think that to not offer an upgrade for a phone that was released less that a year ago ( Blackstone ) wouldn't sit well with many customers and potential buyers.
But as I said, around here it is a rather moot point as I was running a 6.1 rom well before 6.1 came out, and have been running 6.5 for over a month, well that is until M$ issued their cease and desist order, at which point I complied and immediately downgraded to 6.1.
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We have all probable seen the pictures of how WM 6.5 differs as far as the UI is concerned by how different is it 'under-the-hood' so too speak?
WIth the Tilt 2 and WM 6.5 coming will the Fuze see an upgrade or will it be only for the Tilt 2?
Good question, but highly unlikely.
AT&T has already released a new rom for the Fuze with several fixes over 6 months ago. I'd be really amazed if they do offer a 6.5 rom for the Fuze. Though in all reality, i still fail to see why people stick with an oem 6.1 rom when 6.5 has so many improvements.
rumor has it that they're not going to give the upgrade for fuze owners. You'll have to deal with the cooked roms, (which i think really rocks, especially NRG's rom). People don't like trying new things and it's also about the big change from 6.1 to 6.5 which require a slight learning curve. but if you're here, then you're willing to learn.. i hope.
Agreed, huge NRGrom fan here, the latest release (genesis) is really nice!
you'd be quite happy with it - there is not much to fear about cooking. So long as you can have activesync connected to your phone for 10 minutes without interruption for the hardspl and rom install, you're golden (translation, don't try with activesync 3.0 or something really old that may not be reliable)
I personally REALLY like the new start menu for windows 6.5 - especially on newer builds where you can click and hold to move around programs
You will definitely not regret installing a cooked rom (again, my personal vote for newbs goes for EnergyROM)
rumours that AT&T is upgrading samsung jet & epix to wm6.5.
There are changes that fuze will be upgraded too.
whyhon said:
rumours that AT&T is upgrading samsung jet & epix to wm6.5.
There are changes that fuze will be upgraded too.
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Does anybody know of a date yet?
Seeing as how 6.5 is not officially to be released until october 6'th when the windows marketplace goes live, we'll see how long after that so AT&T can 'customize' the experience / Butcher the hell out of the rom.
I have a good feeling as soon as 6.5 comes out we are going to see a LOT more people hate their oem rom's.
i really really doubt there will be a 6.5 upgrade. to get an official rom approved, it requires the check off of the manufacturer (htc) and carrier (att) and maybe microsoft, im not really sure about them and winmo licensing to devices. but it would be easier to only focus on the newest devices. if you really want 6.5 they would prefer you buy a new device with it. ive been running 6.5 on my fuze for forever. it rtm'd in may so thats the real "release date" of 6.5. you dont buy windows mobile so dont focus on dates. new builds come out everday since forever. itll be interesting to see what htc does with 6.5 cause the new builds are ugly. for some reason microsoft decided to "improve" the interface without consulting on htc's design brilliance but whatever. we will see.
Does anyone know if you can install a cooked rom using Vista or Windows 7? I don't have access to a WinXP box right now.
Thanks
of course you can. theres no real difference. i have both vista and 7 for cooking. just right click and click run as administrator.
Cassetti said:
...Though in all reality, i still fail to see why people stick with an oem 6.1 rom when 6.5 has so many improvements.
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Really? Seriously? Granted, there are "under the hood" improvements but the UI is a bad joke.
How did it happen that MS can't even line up a grid of icons on a rectangular screen?
I'll tell you how. The artistiicly inclined design folks missed a meeting, and a geek with a slide rule explained how there would be more area for your fat thumb if icons were arranged in a "honycombed" grid.
This absurdity never got caught in time. Too late. Can't change it now. Wait for WM7.
Remember this whenever you look at your device.
Just my opinion. Doesn't matter. Some will be happy with whatever slop MS ships.
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
hi,
recently one of my friend give me at&t fuze of following Specification
ROM=1.95.502.5 WWE
Radio=1.02.25.32
now need help to upgrade the rom and radio,
i tried latest TAEL rom but it is giving me error.
can u suggest me any idea...
thanks in advance..
suraj
Hello I am new to the forums. I was wondering, I have the sprint TP2 and wanted to upgrade to the WM 6.5. Is it possible to do this? I was reading through the forums but was unsure if this was able to be done for the CDMA versions yet. If so what Flashing utility is the best to use and also what ROM and radio is the best. I have never upgraded before and could use your help. Thank you for your help
No. Not yet.
jrezak321 said:
I was wondering, I have the sprint TP2 and wanted to upgrade to the WM 6.5. Is it possible to do this?
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Sprint has said that they will not officially release an update until early 2010. [pcmag.com]
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I was reading through the forums but was unsure if this was able to be done for the CDMA versions yet.
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Apparently you didn't read past the first 1/4 of the screen. I can still see 2 windows mobile 6.5 upgrade specific threads on the first page. Make sure you do a search before posting another thread about this.
AstarteSV said:
Apparently you didn't read past the first 1/4 of the screen. I can still see 2 windows mobile 6.5 upgrade specific threads on the first page. Make sure you do a search before posting another thread about this.
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dude, don't be an ass. It's his first post.
Here's the skinny.
1. When the Official 6.5 update is uncertain. Though PCMag said 2010, I have a hard time believing that with the AT&T Tilt already selling with it. The windows mobile 6.5 update page says Oct/Nov for TP2, but we don't know if that means all versions. I'm guessing it means the different versions of it will be available throughout Oct and Nov. Just a guess.
2. Unofficial upgrades (hacked roms) to 6.5 are not possible for the CDMA version yet (Verizon and Sprint). In order to do it, you need the HardSPL bootloader. This is in development and hasn't been completed yet. When it does, we'll be able to load on any rom we want to the TP2. However, there might be a bit of a learning curve.
Let me know if you need anymore help (maybe PM me) and I'll be happy to.
Here is a couple of suggestions:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=1224088#post1224088
The above link is for updates to the completion of HardSPL from PPCGeeks.
If you twitter, follow: mightyrom
Mike is very good on updates and the ROM for my Diamond was as solid as anything. I am sure his Touch Pro 2 ROM will be great as well.
Mightyrom.com
Sprint will be releasing wm 6.5 by the end of November. It isn't Sprint we are waiting on it is HTC we are waiting on.
Idiot
AstarteSV said:
Apparently you didn't read past the first 1/4 of the screen. I can still see 2 windows mobile 6.5 upgrade specific threads on the first page. Make sure you do a search before posting another thread about this.
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When someone ask a question just answer them, don't be a butt dude.
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Sprint will be releasing wm 6.5 by the end of November. It isn't Sprint we are waiting on it is HTC we are waiting on.
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I would have to see some hard proof on this . There is so much rumor and conjecture, unsubstantiated rumors are something we do not need.
Hey super first post answered all the questions that i was wondering about
You don't need "Help!!" so don't yell like you do.
Jeezus.
bigchico68 said:
Sprint will be releasing wm 6.5 by the end of November. It isn't Sprint we are waiting on it is HTC we are waiting on.
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wonder why HTC since they releasing european version as we speak. Hope its soon 6.5 has so much better drivers.
I was speaking to the manager of North America via phone the other day. I know, but it was related to a few tickets I had submitted to HTC directly, and since they had not been resolved, he touched base with me directly via phone.
We went back and forth on an item or two about two weeks ago, and on Saturday I believe, when he called, I asked when it might be officially known when these updates would roll out.
He couldn't confirm what phones it would be rolled out for and when, but he said the official announcement would be in 1-2 weeks tops.
Hey, it's not accurate or a promise, but at least it's a window to deal with.
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I would have to see some hard proof on this . There is so much rumor and conjecture, unsubstantiated rumors are something we do not need.
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I too have been told by a reliable souce inside at sprint that it will be sometime in Nov. They have it now and are testing and tweaking it. They wont release it unless its ready.
On Microsofts web site they are saying it will be released October 2009/November 2009. I too just got my TP2 on Sprint and can not wait to upgrade to 6.5.
Below is the link on Microsoft's website where it say they will release 6.5 for the TP2.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx
Strange
I don't understand why HTC is having such a problem with this. Isn't the Imagio essentially the same phone? Other than no hardware keyboard and a 5 Megapixel camera?
Why can't they just cuplicate it for the Touch Pro 2?
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I don't understand why HTC is having such a problem with this. Isn't the Imagio essentially the same phone? Other than no hardware keyboard and a 5 Megapixel camera?
Why can't they just cuplicate it for the Touch Pro 2?
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Why do you assume it's HTC that's holding things up? Most likely, it's Verizon/Sprint. They have to customize and test the ROMs before releasing them. The ROM HTC released is for the unbranded European device which includes no vendor customizations.
BetaMan said:
I don't understand why HTC is having such a problem with this. Isn't the Imagio essentially the same phone? Other than no hardware keyboard and a 5 Megapixel camera?
Why can't they just cuplicate it for the Touch Pro 2?
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I would have to say it is the carriers. They just released updates for the non-carrier phones. Carriers are well known for these issues.
This is now possible with Mighty Room, or the likes, http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98
What differences can we expect from the RTM release and the upcoming Mango release?
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What differences can we expect from the RTM release and the upcoming Mango release?
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I would expect no difference. With new firmware and radio coming with the official rollout we may see a few hardware related things enabled that weren't enabled with just RTM (e.g. camera settings etc.)
It means users have tested all the features available with mango? So why so excitement on mango release dates? Why Microsoft said get away from home brewed apps and roms?
I'm looking forward more towards mango apps than the actual OS, but I suppose the only difference is going to be the radio and any carrier based apps...
os wise
nothing
firmware wise?
That's the difference. The OS is the same, but firmware update is where it is different. A bevy of devices currently running mango (save from the htc leaks) are running nodo firmware. No mango firmware yet.
At all these features available in RTM mango? If yes, what do you make out of the mention of remaining features of mango in the article?
http://anythingbutiphone.com/3477