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Something is breaking the GSM Radio in US CDMA TP2's from being used with US GSM operators. Trying both a ATT and TMo SIM in a Sprint TP2 fails - network search shows no networks available.
Closer inspection shows that while the devices are SIM unlocked, they Ignore/Reject any networks with US MCC's.
Attempting to show networks with MCC 310 and 311 failed, while 334 and 666 showed up just fine.
Running the fieldTest utility (not to be confused with fieldTrial) shows the GSM radio a-flutter with activity, finding and listing UMTS and GSM networks stateside.
I've poured over the registry and nothing sticks out as the culprit for this behavior; I fear that certain MCC's are locked out of the baseband - but I'm not sure how one would go about examining such configurations and removing such limitations.
Thoughts?
Forgive my naivety, but will this benefit people like me who are VZW subscribers? Is there GSM speeds that CDMA can't reach in certain areas, which unlocking the other radios would allow us to automatically latch onto?
I'm just wondering if this discussion is geared more towards those trying to unlock to move to ATT, or if it can benefit us all equally.
fronc said:
Forgive my naivety, but will this benefit people like me who are VZW subscribers? Is there GSM speeds that CDMA can't reach in certain areas, which unlocking the other radios would allow us to automatically latch onto?
I'm just wondering if this discussion is geared more towards those trying to unlock to move to ATT, or if it can benefit us all equally.
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I have accounts with Sprint, Verizon, and ATT. If I can pop in my ATT SIM in my Sprint TP2, and switch service at will (depending on coverage or preference), it would be most excellent.
Maybe I don't get it, but isn't this known? I thought the GSM radios were locked out in the U.S.? It has something to do with FCC compliance?
I believe US GSM frequencies are locked out via software and hardware, either by request of the CDMA carriers and/or the FCC's requirements.
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I believe US GSM frequencies are locked out via software and hardware, either by request of the CDMA carriers and/or the FCC's requirements.
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It's an FCC thing, they have not authorized the GSM radio in it for use in the United States, even though it can do 850/1900 GSM. I'm afraid the GSM in these things is strictly for traveling outside the USA. It will show the GSM networks here, as you have found out, but the networks here will not allow it to use them, so no amount of hacks will make it work.
californiarailroader said:
It's an FCC thing, they have not authorized the GSM radio in it for use in the United States, even though it can do 850/1900 GSM. I'm afraid the GSM in these things is strictly for traveling outside the USA. It will show the GSM networks here, as you have found out, but the networks here will not allow it to use them, so no amount of hacks will make it work.
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Are you sure about it being an "FCC thing"?
There have been a few reports of people getting an unlock code, and getting their hybrid TP2 to work domestically...sans 3G connectivity, apparently.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555067
The cheapest I've found for an unlock code for the TP2 is $20 from here:
http://www.uniquephones.com/
but I don't know what their success rate is like; some companies charge as much as $35 for one.
That's a Canadian version though, I'm sure the models sold there are not subject to US FCC Laws.
Edit-I found this- http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/
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That's a Canadian version though, I'm sure the models sold there are not subject to US FCC Laws.
Edit-I found this- http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/
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Hmm... SIM lock and firmware lock--both "modifiable". I have hope.
I give it a month max till there is a workaround.
californiarailroader said:
That's a Canadian version though, I'm sure the models sold there are not subject to US FCC Laws.
Edit-I found this- http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/20/htc-passes-cdma-gsm-hybrid-touch-pro2-through-the-fcc/
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The Verizon version if you get the unlock code, it will work in the US GSM.
Gsm not enabled
Hi does anyone know if there is a work around for this it sounds like a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation also I have installed 6.5 on my GSM TP2 is there an SPL for the cdma version yet sorry to post here on this however im trying to get to the bottom of this
Thanks in advance for any help
I got my Verizon TP2 unlocked (just emailed support and they mailed back the unlock code). Popped in my Orange (UK) SIM, told the phone to use GSM only and was able to TXT/call from it and receive calls/TXT just fine via my UK number. (I'm physically in the US).
So it's not a lock so much on registering with US networks... but it may be a lock on US GSM SIM cards so you can't go toss in your TMobile (US) SIM and dump VZ service.
--Chris
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I got my Verizon TP2 unlocked (just emailed support and they mailed back the unlock code). Popped in my Orange (UK) SIM, told the phone to use GSM only and was able to TXT/call from it and receive calls/TXT just fine via my UK number. (I'm physically in the US).
So it's not a lock so much on registering with US networks... but it may be a lock on US GSM SIM cards so you can't go toss in your TMobile (US) SIM and dump VZ service.
--Chris
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This is great news! I like to unlock any GSM enabled phone I get for Verizon, just in case I ever decide to leave - so I can take my phone with me
I'll be unlocking mine tomorrow when I get it, if they'll allow it. I've been a customer for over a year, and they allowed it on the Storm and Tour, so this shouldn't be a problem.
I've been with them for several years and as far as I know as long as you're current on your bill they'll give you the unlock code. I had mine for 2 whole days and they gave it to me.
--chris
.mak said:
This is great news! I like to unlock any GSM enabled phone I get for Verizon, just in case I ever decide to leave - so I can take my phone with me
I'll be unlocking mine tomorrow when I get it, if they'll allow it. I've been a customer for over a year, and they allowed it on the Storm and Tour, so this shouldn't be a problem.
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Well thats good news I will see if Sprint allows me to do the same as I have accounts with AT&T and TMO also I would really like to use this on my ATT plan but it appears from reading the previous posts that perhaps US based sims are locked out I will attempt to unlock it tommorow nonetheless and see what happens on the other hand my VZW Storm worked like a charm after getting it unlocked ........... for some reason this seems different though if the FCC notice is read at face value Anyone having any experience with this giving feedback would be much appreciated
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I've been with them for several years and as far as I know as long as you're current on your bill they'll give you the unlock code. I had mine for 2 whole days and they gave it to me.
--chris
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Are you with VZW OR Sprint
dooglesmail said:
Are you with VZW OR Sprint
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Yes are we talking VZW or Sprint?
I have had my phone two days on VZW. The CSR first said I have to wait 60 days, then checked with T2 and came back and said it is not available. I am sure he doesn't know what I was talking about. I will call again and then a third and if that doesn't work I will just email support as mentioned above. I need an unlock code before November as I will be on the road again overseas and I don't want to pay crazy International VZW rates!
californiarailroader said:
It's an FCC thing, they have not authorized the GSM radio in it for use in the United States, even though it can do 850/1900 GSM. I'm afraid the GSM in these things is strictly for traveling outside the USA. It will show the GSM networks here, as you have found out, but the networks here will not allow it to use them, so no amount of hacks will make it work.
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mmmmmmmm. do i have a fellow railroader on this site besides me??????
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Yes are we talking VZW or Sprint?
I have had my phone two days on VZW. The CSR first said I have to wait 60 days, then checked with T2 and came back and said it is not available. I am sure he doesn't know what I was talking about. I will call again and then a third and if that doesn't work I will just email support as mentioned above. I need an unlock code before November as I will be on the road again overseas and I don't want to pay crazy International VZW rates!
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Hmmm VZW Global support was not given the instructions to SIM unlock this TP2 from HTC. Sounds strange to me, has anyone had any luck getting it unlocked in order to use and overseas SIM while overseas instead of the VZW SIM with access to high rates?
I will contact HTC.
Hope you guys can help me.
I will like to buy the Inspire 4G thru amazon and plan to use it in Costa Rica, where we use the same 2G and 3G bands as AT&T (850). Nevertheless I’m not sure if after the SIM/IMEI unlock, it will work with a Costa Rican SIM card? It is very common for us to buy unlocked At&t or T-Mobile phones and use them in Costa Rica.. but I have my concerns.
Last December I bought a Prepaid AT&T Phone (Samsung A107) on a trip to the US, but after doing a SIM/IMEI unlock, the Prepaid phone didn’t recognized my Costa Rican SIM card. And even before that, while still been in the US, I was not even able to use the AT&T SIM card on my unlocked Touch Pro2 (EUR version).
My worst fear is that AT&T is doing some sort of “Hard Sim Lock” to their phones.. and I will kill myself for buying an expensive paperweight.
Your thoughts and comments will be highly appreciated.
Hi, I can't 100% answer your question but I do know why your SIM cards weren't interchangeable. We lock all PUK codes on all prepaid SIM cards to where you can only use that SIM on that phone. If you would've gotten a "regular" SIM you could've used it on another carriers phone. As to why the non AT&T SIM didn't work maybe they scammed you and it never got unlocked.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Using Inspire 4G in Costa Rica.
Thanks for your explanation. So basically and after reading other posts regarding unlocking this phone, the Inspire 4G should work overseas without any inconveniences, after inserting the SIM/IMEI unlock code that you buy from any “respected” and “trusted” site (and as long as the 3G Band is 850) ?
I was going to buy the unlocked Desire HD (Eur Version), but regretfully it wouldn’t work with any Latam 3G Band (as it happened with my Touch Pro2, that only works with 3G band 2100+900).
I got an Inspire 4G on Monday, unlocked it, and my existing SIM card from another country (also in latam) worked right away. Been using it since then both in the US and back home.
So unless there is some lock on the SIM card itself, it should work fine, I think.
That’s the answer I was looking for!! You made my day. To be honest, I want to change from Winmo to Android so badly… that this phone seems to be the right deal.
Quick question just before going to amazon and start my order: Which system did you used to get the Unlock code? I have read in other forums, that some folks have been using htcimeiunlock with excellent results (I’m not related to that company by the way). I just like to hear a second opinion.
And once again..Thank you so much for your assistance!!
Got my phone unlocked
Hey
I'm from Venezuela, and I unlocked my HTC Inspire 4G from AT&T at unlockusa.com. I chose them because they're top-rated sellers at eBay and seemed trustworthy. I got my unlock code within 5 minutes, and everything worked as expected.
Hope you enjoy your new phone!
Yes, I used htcimeiunlock.com. Got my unlock code in a few minutes with no problems whatsoever.
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Hey
I'm from Venezuela, and I unlocked my HTC Inspire 4G from AT&T at unlockusa.com. I chose them because they're top-rated sellers at eBay and seemed trustworthy. I got my unlock code within 5 minutes, and everything worked as expected.
Hope you enjoy your new phone!
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Yes, I used htcimeiunlock.com. Got my unlock code in a few minutes with no problems whatsoever.
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Hmm 2 new members and advertising new site?
The AT&T Inspire only has North American UMTS radios 850 and 1900 Mhz. It lacks the 2100 radio necessary for 3 and 4G in Europe.
The phone will work on Europe's 2G Edge network. HTC should have put the 2100 Mhz radio in the Inspire but they didn't. This is the real gripe I have with this phone.
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Doesn't the desire hd cover the european market with 2100? I suppose if you are traveling it is an issue but otherwise I see no reason for att to be adding something to this phone that already exists in one of its twins. Also it is not marketed as a "world" phone by at&t either.
Whats the key code / combination on the inspire to check the status of the sim?
I may be new on the forums, but I've been lurking for a while. Heck, I learned about that site from here, and the various threads on the forum on unlocking/rooting were one of the things I kept in mind when deciding to buy the phone.
geogkdam asked if the site worked; all I'm saying is it worked for *me*. I claim no guarantees it would work for anyone else, and frankly, I don't care much either; I'm just happy I was able to unlock the phone I bought on Monday withing a few minutes.
newter55 said:
Doesn't the desire hd cover the european market with 2100? I suppose if you are traveling it is an issue but otherwise I see no reason for att to be adding something to this phone that already exists in one of its twins. Also it is not marketed as a "world" phone by at&t either.
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It'll work on EDGE in Europe, which sucks for data, but at 20 bucks a megabyte while roaming, why would you want to?
I'll be taking my Inspire to London and Paris in a couple months and since I need to be reachable on my own number, I will suck it up and roam, but data will be off, so I couldn't give a crap about whether or not it's EDGE or 3G. It'll just be voice and text, and not much of that. I have an AT&T Nexus One with the 2100 band that I'll be bringing along too, I'll grab a local SIM and use that for data. I'll just have personal hotspot turned on and connect my Inspire to it.
try cellunlocker.net they unlocked it for me
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It'll work on EDGE in Europe, which sucks for data, but at 20 bucks a megabyte while roaming, why would you want to?
I'll be taking my Inspire to London and Paris in a couple months and since I need to be reachable on my own number, I will suck it up and roam, but data will be off, so I couldn't give a crap about whether or not it's EDGE or 3G. It'll just be voice and text, and not much of that. I have an AT&T Nexus One with the 2100 band that I'll be bringing along too, I'll grab a local SIM and use that for data. I'll just have personal hotspot turned on and connect my Inspire to it.
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AT&T also offers packages which would reduce your voice, data and text costs. Have you looked into them? Here's a link
I can't provide a link since I don't have the min. number of posts required to post here but Google "AT&T World" and you'll get the necessary info. The texting deal is a good deal if you plan to text between 20 and 50 texts. If less than 20 just go with the standard .50/text sent from Europe. If between 20&50 opt for the $10 one time charge (which drops your per text rate to .20/text).
I would also assume that free Wi-FI hotspots are plentiful around Europe??? Does anyone have first-hand experience with that?
I have spent a few hours researching this issue and I am not sure it will work out, hoping I can get some guidance from someone more educated on the subject.
I currently travel back and forth between Kuwait and the United States on a regular basis. I really like the Samsung Galaxy SIII, so I am considering buying one at full price from Verizon. I have been using Verizon's service since 2009 and have never been late on a bill or anything. I would like to be able to buy a Samsung Galaxy SIII and unlock the SIM for use in Kuwait on a local carrier like Wataniya, Zane, Viva or any other local carrier in Kuwait as long as the phone will work. Of course 4G would be nice, but I can live without it if I am stuck using 3G while out of the states. I would prefer not to pay for a separate phone for both locations, as I do not want to use some crappy flip phone while I'm in Kuwait, but I do not want to pay for two expensive smart phones either.
The representative at the Verizon store told me I would have to go with an iPhone, but I do not like to give companies like Apple money and I certainly prefer Android over iOS.
Any help / guidance would be greatly appreciated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809314
This may help you out.
Also the RAZR and RAZR maxx just became global ready with Verizon also.
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voodoomanx said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809314
This may help you out.
Also the RAZR and RAZR maxx just became global ready with Verizon also.
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The RAZR Maxx is the other phone I have been considering. Are you saying that I can do what I need to do with the RAZR Maxx without all the trouble this thread implies I am going to have to go through to get it working with the Samsung Galaxy SIII?
I don't suppose there is any chance that anyone on these forums has actually used a Verizon Android phone in Kuwait on a Kuwait provider before?
Yes. The razr maxx is global ready, however you still would have to hack it to make it accept a international sim card.
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voodoomanx said:
Yes. The razr maxx is global ready, however you still would have to hack it to make it accept a international sim card.
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Do you know if there are any Verizon Android phones I could just say pay cellunlocker to unlock and go?
So I did a little research on the providers available within Kuwait and this is what it looks like is available.
Wataniya
GSM: 900 and 1800 MHz
EDGE, GPRS and MMS
3G 1900/2100
Viva
We offer Dual Band radio frequencies on GSM 900/1800 MHz, and WCDMA 2100.
We also have broadband data services (HSDPA, EDGE, GPRS and MMS) service so you will be able to check emails, read news, watch content, send and receive MMS and more while you're on the move.
Zane
Dual band GSM 900/1800 handsets, but Tri-band GSM 900/1800/1900 preferred
Is it likely the Samsung Galaxy SIII or RAZR Maxx will work on any of these networks? Any chance of 4G or 3G?
Again I appreciate all the responses.
Any ideas? I would like to make sure if I pay full price for a Verizon Android phone and go through the trouble to unlock it that it will definitely work.
There is a dual sim adapter and app that you can use on the s3, if you search xda you will see what im talking about. I suggest that you post in that topic and see if there is any better info.
Good luck it looks like the s3 will work but i would get as much info as possible. And the dev edition might be an option. I don't know the price difference between it and Verizon version. But it might be worth seeing if one has different specs for the area you want to use it in. Good luck
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I don't mind having to switch the SIMs out as long as the phone will work on both Verizon and one of the carriers in Kuwait.
Caldaga said:
I don't mind having to switch the SIMs out as long as the phone will work on both Verizon and one of the carriers in Kuwait.
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No need to consider the Developer version now with the bootloader unlocked. (e.g. there isn't going to be anything the developer edition allows you to do that the regular retail version will not). With regard to which bands the Verizon S3 supports, in theory the MSM8960 chipset (Snapdragon S4) supports GSM 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA 850/1700/1900/2199, CDMA 800/850/1900, and LTE 700/750/1700/1900. The thread linked earlier seems to offer some hope of getting it working, but such things are always going to be a little complicated.
thanx for the info guys
verizon global svc
Couple questions.
I travel overseas extensively. Mainly HK/China and EU countries.
I want to use my phone and it would be nice to not have to swap Sims as I then have to update my contact information to customers etc.
I have the unlimited plan and paid full retail for my phone.
I have rooted my phone and am running the stock debloated ROM.
Can Verizon support a modification to the phone that would allow usage on GSM networks?
Alternatively is there some sort of service available that will forward calls from my VZW phone number to a PPsim card?
Additionally, it unclear to me with these unlock processes, do I have to modify my phone upon return to the states and use of my native Sim card should I choose one of these options.
Makes no sense to me why Verizon would want to inhibit this feature on this phone. They could charge me exorbitant rates and get away with it just for the convienence of not having to screw with apn's swap Sims etc.
Thanks for the help
voodoomanx said:
Yes. The razr maxx is global ready, however you still would have to hack it to make it accept a international sim card.
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I have a Droid 2 Global (which I bought outright) and wanted to use it in Europe (instead of carrying a separate unlocked Cricket GSM phone). I called up VZN, asked them about it and they said "we see you have met your contract obligation and have not had any phones unlocked in 14 months -- here is the code and here is what you do with it".
I did what they said and have been able to pop in multiple foreign SIM cards with no problem (I did have to switch off VZN however so I did not connect to their partners).
So, my question is - are the guts in the VZN S3 such that all one needs to do is call them up and ask for the unlock code (assuming you have not done this in past 14 months)? Or is the guts of the S3 not really 'global' and hence the need to root, unlock and load new ROMs to use them abroad?
Frank
Michigan
FMinMI said:
I have a Droid 2 Global (which I bought outright) and wanted to use it in Europe (instead of carrying a separate unlocked Cricket GSM phone). I called up VZN, asked them about it and they said "we see you have met your contract obligation and have not had any phones unlocked in 14 months -- here is the code and here is what you do with it".
I did what they said and have been able to pop in multiple foreign SIM cards with no problem (I did have to switch off VZN however so I did not connect to their partners).
So, my question is - are the guts in the VZN S3 such that all one needs to do is call them up and ask for the unlock code (assuming you have not done this in past 14 months)? Or is the guts of the S3 not really 'global' and hence the need to root, unlock and load new ROMs to use them abroad?
Frank
Michigan
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The S3 has the hardware for international roaming. As I understand, Verizon announced that it will have a software update to make it work as an international phone (together with the rezound). Knowing Verizon's history on timelines, I wouldn't hold my breath.
tsachi said:
The S3 has the hardware for international roaming. As I understand, Verizon announced that it will have a software update to make it work as an international phone (together with the rezound). Knowing Verizon's history on timelines, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Ha ha. Good point!
try this may be help u:laugh:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2231544
Hi all, I would like to know if it is possible to unlock the phone that is locked to Sprint. Would flashing the stock firmware do the trick?
Thanks.
It won't be locked on Sprint. It's the exact same phone that's being sold in the Play Store.
Jocelyn said:
It won't be locked on Sprint. It's the exact same phone that's being sold in the Play Store.
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BestBuy is selling the Sprint Nexus 5 off contract, but Sprint is CDMA right? I am an international user and here we only have GSM, so that phone would not be an option for me?
edumetz16 said:
BestBuy is selling the Sprint Nexus 5 off contract, but Sprint is CDMA right? I am an international user and here we only have GSM, so that phone would not be an option for me?
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You are correct about the international part, but the flavor Sprint is selling is CDMA & GSM and works on AT&T, T-Mobile (both GSM carriers) as well as Sprint and other mnvos.
Jocelyn said:
You are correct about the international part, but the flavor Sprint is selling is CDMA & GSM and works on AT&T, T-Mobile (both GSM carriers) as well as Sprint and other mnvos.
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Hi, thank you verry much for your reply. So this phone should work with any GSM carrier or only US GSM carriers? And it should not need unlocking? I'm tinking about buying one but I'd like to be 100% sure that it will work here.
Thanks.
edumetz16 said:
Hi, thank you verry much for your reply. So this phone should work with any GSM carrier or only US GSM carriers? And it should not need unlocking? I'm tinking about buying one but I'd like to be 100% sure that it will work here.
Thanks.
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No unlocking, but only us GSM carriers as far as I'm aware. Maybe Canada, but not sure.
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No unlocking, but only us GSM carriers as far as I'm aware. Maybe Canada, but not sure.
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If I understand correctly, according to this table it should work correctly, I am from Argentina, and both carriers listed seem to have Voice, Text and 3G.
w w w.sprint.com/popups/pop-gprsCarriers.html
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edumetz16 said:
If I understand correctly, according to this table it should work correctly, I am from Argentina, and both carriers listed seem to have Voice, Text and 3G.
w w w.sprint.com/popups/pop-gprsCarriers.html
I use spaces because links are not allowed for me
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I have no idea. North America gets D820, while the rest of the world gets D821. Go compare their bands somewhere like gsmarena.
The Nexus 5 will work on any GSM carrier for voice and 3G, no issues there. Only issue will be LTE (4G). U.S version (D820) has different LTE radio versus Euro (rest of the world version (D821). If you don't care about LTE, then you're fine and good to go with any GSM carrier in your native Argentina.
I have been told that the Nexus 5 sold in BestBuy is CDMA only. What is it, I'm not sure if the guy from BestBuy I talked to was correct about this information. Thanks
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I have been told that the Nexus 5 sold in BestBuy is CDMA only. What is it, I'm not sure if the guy from BestBuy I talked to was correct about this information. Thanks
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They were incorrect.
Here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46287885
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I have been told that the Nexus 5 sold in BestBuy is CDMA only. What is it, I'm not sure if the guy from BestBuy I talked to was correct about this information. Thanks
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Pretty sure this was answered above.
Beware - Sprint has never sold a phone which was totally SIM-unlocked. Until there is confirmation that someone bought the Sprint sold/marketed phone and put in a US SIM card that worked, I would not take the chance that the phone is unlocked.
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Beware - Sprint has never sold a phone which was totally SIM-unlocked. Until there is confirmation that someone bought the Sprint sold/marketed phone and put in a US SIM card that worked, I would not take the chance that the phone is unlocked.
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I called 3 local best buys, checking on getting a Nex5 in hand as opposed to waiting on one from google. I asked each wireless-dept worker if I can buy the Nexus 5 for the full off-contract price and then go use it at t-mobile, I further then let them know I want to buy the Nexus 5 "unlocked" so I could use it on whatever carrier I choose.
All 3 people say no-go, must use on sprint.
Sooo - uneducated sales people? or is sprint locking the Nex5 before they send it to best buy? I took no chance and bought from play store.
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I called 3 local best buys, checking on getting a Nex5 in hand as opposed to waiting on one from google. I asked each wireless-dept worker if I can buy the Nexus 5 for the full off-contract price and then go use it at t-mobile, I further then let them know I want to buy the Nexus 5 "unlocked" so I could use it on whatever carrier I choose.
All 3 people say no-go, must use on sprint.
Sooo - uneducated sales people? or is sprint locking the Nex5 before they send it to best buy? I took no chance and bought from play store.
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You cannot believe anything the Droids at BestBuy tell you. They want you to activate the phone on Sprint so BB can collect the commission. Why would you buy the N5 at BB anyway? You like paying an extra $150 vs the Play Store?
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You cannot believe anything the Droids at BestBuy tell you. They want you to activate the phone on Sprint so BB can collect the commission. Why would you buy the N5 at BB anyway? You like paying an extra $150 vs the Play Store?
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its actually only $100... and deduct off $15 for shipping from google... and that I had $50 in best buy rewards from buying a dishwasher... I figured $35 to have it in my hand on the 8th would be cool. But in the end just ordered from play store and will have to wait 2-3 weeks.
edumetz16 said:
If I understand correctly, according to this table it should work correctly, I am from Argentina, and both carriers listed seem to have Voice, Text and 3G.
w w w.sprint.com/popups/pop-gprsCarriers.html
I use spaces because links are not allowed for me
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ok heres the kicker the Spectrum is the real issue here. LTE bands are split on the 2 versions of Nexus 5's (NA (north America) and RoW (rest of World))
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/Q4A1X1oAOSs
compare those lte bands to this link to see what lte bands your service uses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Thank If I helped
Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
TechOut said:
Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
gamer765 said:
Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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I have sprint so I hope CDMA is there for BYOD
According to OnePlus.net ut only supports T-Mobile AT&T and U.S Cellular. Such a shame that they make such a good device at an awesome price and its only compatible with half the major us carriers
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
Dabarr said:
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
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No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
zelendel said:
No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
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You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
Josh LaCelle said:
You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
Pater Draco said:
You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
Josh LaCelle said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
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That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
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That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
Josh LaCelle said:
I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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Obviously you can't read or like to argue with someone.
Pater Draco said:
You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
Josh LaCelle said:
Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Still works though not all bands are required. It may affect signal in some areas but not all
Josh LaCelle said:
Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
Eric214 said:
Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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Verizon doesn't whitelist IMEIs you can put a sim in and use it on 3G just fine. Verizon does use band 13 but you dont need all bands for it to work. Sprint does whitelist IMEIs so it will not work on sprint period
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
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I can't tell if your trolling or if you're genuinely a nasty person....
1. " take any device that DOESN'T support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM" I assume you meant that many Chinese devices DO use CDMA. Because what you said is incorrect. On top of that, not all CDMA bands are the same, so of course Chinese CDMA phones won't register on Verizon's network.
2. You can't dismiss his experiences either, or mine. I use non certified, lacking bands CDMA devices on Verizon's network without any major issues. Granted it's not optimal service, but it's the compromise of not having to carry two phones.
3. Sounds like you have some hate complex for people who live in the US. Only 10% of XDA users? Where'd you find that, and why is it important?
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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I have a 1+3T. It has two of of three Verizon LTE bands: 2,4 but not 13. It also has CDMA band BC0. I have my personal SIM on ATT and my company's is Verizon. That is correct, if you enable LTE, it's slower speed than normal and calls and text don't come through. I leave my ATT on primary data so it works out pretty good. I hate carrying two phones. You don't have to get them to add a IMEI number, just activate the SIM on a Verizon phone and then pop it into the Oneplus.
The 1+6 on the other hands has CDMA bands BC0 and BC1, so hopefully that improves 3G connection. Stupid that they ignore the largest US carrier and not put band 13 in there. In a couple years everything will be on LTE anyways. I'm very curious why LTE disables calls and texts......any ideas?
Just sad to see no CDMA support on such a growing phone I like the Oneplus so much I may go to T-Mobile